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Red Pill TheoryYou are absolutely worthless. (self.TheRedPill)

Ardubinston が 投稿

Summary: A key component of the anger phase is a limiting belief based on something one should be able to have. To successfully exit the anger phase, one must completely embrace the truth of your inherent social worthlessness to women and society in general.

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All those who've cruised through the anger phase can empathize with this: realizing that the girl who pretended to be your friend all that time really only wanted your shoulder to cry on and that, to some degree or another, you're only a wallet, dildo or shoulder to cry on to women, you suddenly become enraged, your perceptions forever dashed.

From reading comments on this sub (my own and others), I can safely say that everyone going through the phase needs to embrace the following truths:

A) You are socially worthless unless you actively produce value

That slut put you on the backburner because the only reason she needs you is to solve her emotional problems and do her homework for her.

If you turned her on, she would have fucked you.

It doesn't matter how hard it hits you, this is how it is.

B) Women will only ascertain you by their perception of you.

A common blue pill myth is that opening up emotionally to a woman will make her love you more. It will actually do the opposite.

If you admit to being a weakling to her face, she will view you as one. Women have absolutely no moral sense when it comes to men. If you choose to deal with them, be sure to be absolutely larger than life, or else expect to be treated like just another cog.

C) Society is a game of feast and be feasted on.

There was a post on Wall Street Playboys (a finance/lifestyle blog) about how Wal Mart extracts ten times more money than it pays from its workers.

This society is created by the rich for the rich. If you want to rule, get money and know how to spend it. And when those girls come to you, you know they're after one thing.

D) Self-sufficiency is the highest ideal Red Pillers should strive for.

A truly self-sufficient person is a person that does not need to interact with others. They produce their own goods and do not answer to the feminist mafia state. They do not fall prey to their carnal desires and are not manipulated by them.

How you choose to go about this is up to you. You should be well to remember that life is two things: a classroom, and a game of kill or be killed.

Lessons learned:

  • Make yourself useful or be useless

  • Girls size up your value. Acting like a wallet or an emotional tampon will lead to you being used as one.

  • MGTOW-like self-sufficiency is a goal to be pursued by all involved with the Red Pill. Having to interact with women to soothe your carnal desires and dancing to their tune is not a lifestyle one should pursue.

  • Most MGTOW do not practice what they preach as bitching on a forum is not self-sufficiency (and TBP, if you feel tempted to criticize this, I admit, I am not where I want to be; I should not be spending my time on this)

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[–]Endorsed Contributordown_with_whomever 51ポイント52ポイント  (10子コメント)

I would add a really big footnote to everything you've said here:

I think it's necessary for men to be assured of their own value, regardless of their perceived utility to society and the women around them.

Having the right frame includes knowing what you're worth even when you're heading to rock bottom.

For this reason I personally don't even bother thinking about my "usefulness" to other people. I think about my own goals and how to achieve them.

Never internalize anybody else's evaluation of your value.

[–]Ardubinston[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

Any tips on becoming desensitized to other people's opinions?

[–]Endorsed Contributordown_with_whomever 31ポイント32ポイント  (3子コメント)

The first two things that come to mind are in having your own mission and in realizing how flawed the people judging you are.

I know what I want, what my goals are, and if I fail at that the person who should judge me is me. Other people expect different things from me and will make frowney faces at me if I don't do it, but what do I care? I don't care what you want from me, that's your problem, not mine. In other words, I know what's important to me and I keep at that on my own terms, and if someone has decided that I'm not useful for something I don't care about, it doesn't really matter to me.

The other would be realizing how fucking stupid most people are. I've encountered very few people whose opinion is worth caring about. Those few I take seriously and will accept their advice - but the rest really have no ground to stand on for judging anyone. Who cares what they think.

[–]trumpisafaggybeta 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

This post really struck a note with me because it fits my story to a tee. Story time:

Rewind back about 6 or so years ago when I was still in college. I was an obese blooper back then. I was a straight A student, I was preparing for med school and I was generally on top of my academic shit. Around this time I was slated for my MCAT (big test you have to take for US med schools), and someone close to me passed away; this took a huge mental toll on me. I began to rely on people who I thought were close to me for emotional support, to guide me back to a path where I could do well in my career. This resulted in utter disaster for me. I had women in my family giving me childish advice, and I had cucked men not bothering to really help at all beyond a superficial level. Eventually, after a lot of suffering, one day I cut every single one of these people out of my life and remembered my own personal goals and motivations-- I remembered what the old me would do when confronted with a problem. I started studying my ass off on my own again, started hitting the gym/dieting for the first time in my life, and began to make new friends.

All of this is to say that when you set your standards according to what others think/perceive as opposed to what you know you're capable of, you will often fuck yourself over. Heed prudent advice, but never subvert yourself to the will of others.

[–]Wel108 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll take this a step further with a conversation i had with my mom last night. A little background of myself. I'm 29 years old, I've done in my life: EMT/Fire, Law Enforcement, Counter terrorism. Seen so much shit i could write a book probably, but nothing that other men in my same field haven't seen. Divorced from a short marriage, and some LTRs, and recently, a whole lot of fucking plates. When i was in counter terrorism traveling the US, there was a moment when after about a year of not seeing anyone in my family, friends, my dog, the Green Bay Packers play, or seen the ocean floor, i decided fuck this life. People always talk about how much having a normal job sucks. Money isn't everything, family isn't everything, and sure, for some people that isn't the case. But it is for me, I don't need an exciting job to live an exciting life; however, i do need money for it, and more importantly, time. If having time to spend with people you love isn't important, i don't know what it is then. But this kind of goes with the purpose of this post in the first place, and piggybacking on what /u/down_with_whomever said. I found out what i valued in my life, the hard way i might add.

I left that all that, with a significant amount of money saved to go back to school and study Computer Science specializing in Cyber Security. I'm now 29, living in Miami, FL, probably the worst city for LTRs and starting / raising a family. All my friends have gotten married and had children, and i'm crazy picky, even more so after discovering TRP.

My mom called me last night telling me how i should never have left any one of my previous careers. She pleaded with me to go back to one of those jobs. She said, "I would've had a family already, and been settled down in my life instead of struggling to catch up." She was actually kind of upset and judgmental, and it's not the first time she's done this. I thought about it for a second, and i remembered how unhappy i was, why i left, and how i was already halfway to my goal. I had to really break it down to her on WHY this career path was better. But in the end i told her that if she was going to keep doing this, to not call me anymore until i was where i wanted to be.

Everyone will always try to change your life in the direction they think is best. For their personal beliefs, for societal influences, or for their own personal gain. Don't let them do this. In this case, i really think my mom just wants me to give her a grandchild.

[–]nooooou 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

the other would be realizing how fucking stupid most people are.

This is why we have reddit. Some people always surprise with their brightness but they are shining points of light in a vast cavern of abject darkness. Say whatever you want, some jackass out there will misunderstand it, try to argue with you about it, or just act out passive aggression by downvoting to silence you. Even if you're contributing to the discussion, you're saying something he doesn't want to hear so he'll vote it down. Has no ability to formulate an opinion or a defense of it himself. Just exists to extract that little tiny bit of joy from his downvote.

Oh reddit. If I had any faith in people you'd have erased it for me.

[–]1awalt_cupcake 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does an Emerald stop being an Emerald because no one wants it right now? Is an Emerald suddenly flawed if it does not receive praise? An emerald continues to be; a shiny smooth stone exactly as it was made to be. It's value unchanging.

[–]FromThePit 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Read No More Mister Nice Guy by Glover. Learn to frame your perception of others such: you are not in control of how others perceive you. Do what you want. Be unapologetic. Be selfish.

[–]InternetJuice 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's become easier as I've gotten older, but a trick that I use is that if I believe somebody holds a negative opinion of me I will find things that I don't like or respect about that person and then internally devalue them until the point where their opinions are absolutely worthless to me (i.e. you're an idiot, so it doesn't really matter what you think).

If there is a nugget of constructive criticism in someone's negative opinion, I try to acknowledge that internally, but it is impossible for me to favorably think of someone who has a low opinion of me.

[–]beachbbqlover -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Usefulness is something I ascribe to objects and lesser creatures. In chess, it's being a good piece on the board instead of a player.

[–]LuvBeer 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you admit to being a weakling to her face, she will view you as one. Women have absolutely no moral sense when it comes to men.

100% true. Past gf asked if I had ever been bullied and I said "no, I was the bully in school." She said "good". In reality I've been both the bully and the bullied at various points. This got me to wondering exactly what value I was getting out of a relationship if I couldn't count on my girl to accept me in my moments of weakness when I was forgoing fucking other girls for her. I got out of the relationship becuase the cost/benefit just didn't add up.

[–]walking_ape 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I completely disagree with point D

D) Self-sufficiency is the highest ideal Red Pillers should strive for.

A truly self-sufficient person is a person that does not need to interact with others. They produce their own goods and do not answer to the feminist mafia state. They do not fall prey to their carnal desires and are not manipulated by them.

I'm more or less living in an isolated bubble, BECAUSE I CAN, and let me tell you, it sucks.

We are social animals. We are programmed to want to be in a social group. The urge to be accepted by society is even stronger than the urge for food and sex. Because in prehistoric times, if you were not accepted by your group, you would get no food and no sex.

That's why we have the "fat acceptance movement". It's the fat people who don't want to work on losing the fat.

Also if you really think about it, the only way to be truly free from the state is to be filthy rich (like Donald Trump) but you can't get there without interacting with a lot of people all the time. And you can't really stay there without interacting with a lot of people all the time.

[–]ClimbingTehLadder 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree. When I saw that point I understood his intention there, but part of being human is being social. If you deny that as part or your life mission then you're denying your very nature.

[–]AenHun 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for the post, I really needed it right now. I quit a LTR 3 weeks ago (moved to another country), and I found myself back in an anger phase again. I noticed that I am too open about emotions nowadays, and girls try to use my as a tampon for their emotions too. I honestly was a bit smug that I, after a 2 year very redpill relationship, will not fall back to my old tendencies. Boy I was wrong. Lesson: You always need to be mindful of your game, even the basics.

[–]1Niko_Choski 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You have my utmost respect for this post. This is an absolutely essential truth that many MGTOW men refuse to hear. In actual fact the MGTOW subred has on occasion looked as a bitching contest.

In essence people need to understand the "suck" and embrace it. There is no point wasting energy on it, as these fundamental realities about men being disposable, hypergamy, gynocentrism should push a man to make sure he is self-sufficient or towards whatever direction he chooses.

The path to anger is an easy on, and unfortunately if you are over-invested in the blue-pill myth. You end up being very angry for a long, long time. At some point you even forget that you are angry, because you are so perpetually angry.

I am happy to see such a post on TRP. Great stuff.

[–]randarrow 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

So, an aside...

The 10 for 1 value to pay out ratio is pretty common. Most investments work this way. EG, 10 for 1 works out to a ten percent return on investment. Stock market returns about 11% long term. A good comission is about 10%. A bad tip is about 10%. Exception is when you are only doing basic transactions or management, then ratio is about 100 to 1, or 1%. Average small business has about a 15% profit margin.

Typically, you assume you pay an employee 10% of the revenue they generate. Other 90% is cost of business and what you keep. Which is 10% as well if you are lucky.

This isn't insidious. If an investment isn't paying off 10%, don't take it. If an employee isn't seeing 10x revenue as they cost, don't keep them. This is also useful for calculating whether a big ticket purchase is worth while. If you are not going to be making back 10% of your purchase price on a house each year, you are better off investing in stock market.

In reality things are more complex. A more desirable profit margin is 30%. Tips should be more around 20%. As a business owner you want your employees comission to be at the right point to maximize your returns. Some returns of 1% are good, for example short term liquid money or if you are operating other peoples money....

But, if as a business owner you are paying out more than 10% for revenue generated by an employee, something is wrong. If you are making less than 10% on costs to you, something is wrong.

It's also fun to take the opposite. If I save $1k a year, this is my 'profit' for the year, a bond is paying 5%, that means I would have to have a $20k bond to make as much as I do. In a sense, I am only worth $20k. Odd way to put a price on your head, but true in a sense.

[–]TheNarrowRoad 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

The OP means 10 times or 1000% , not 10%.

[–]randarrow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Uh, 100% vs 10%, is pretty much the same thing as 1000% vs 100%....

[–]Joseph_the_Carpenter 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Which is a lot of value extracted, but not as much as you would think. A good rule of thumb is the employee needs to generate 5x the value they are getting paid in salary in order to have a sustainable business. This just means Wal Mart is making their employees generate twice the rule of thumb value they need to continue to operate.

[–]TheNarrowRoad 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not saying its unreasonable.

[–]forgetful_storytellr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Extremely helpful and accurate.