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[Perspective] If LVG wins the FA Cup, it will take him 2 years to win the first trophy. It took SAF 3.5 years. (self.reddevils)

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This is not about pro/anti LVG, but just a perspective. While it's true that SAF took over a squad that was about to be relegated and LVG took over a stronger mid-table squad, it is still 1.5 season more for SAF to clinch his first title with us (the FA Cup). And of course, football was different back then but if everyone was as impatient, we may not have had the chance to enjoy the success SAF brought.

Also, it seems that it took Sir Matt Busby 3 years to win the first trophy (FA Cup). The team finished 9th on the season he took over (1944/45).

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[–]jaybdubu- 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

Perspective raneiri takes 1 season to win the league with relegation fodder

[–]Launch_a_poo 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just downvote and move on people

[–]shinkag 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

What perspective? Fuck sake these shitposts are put up every time we win a few games. Look at the team Fergie inherited and the team LVG did. We hadn't won the league in 20 fucking years when Fergie took over, the expectation was much, much lower. We weren't anywhere near as big then as we were now. Fuck me

[–]shadowbanned32 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't see how it's different considering both managers had to completely replace almost an entire team. What does it matter what LvG had if all he could really keep was Smalling, Rooney, Mata, De Gea and some squad players....

[–]jbiresqHerrera -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

LVG had to replace some players who weren't good enough, Fergie had to get rid of a culture of alcoholism. It's a different universe.

[–]the_trainmanRooney 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

So basically Fergie had to change a very prevalent culture @ United. Something similar to what LVG had to do - change a footballing culture.

I am pretty indifferent now to who comes in and who doesn't at United, but it would be wrong to dismiss the massive rebuilding job that LVG had to undertake. In fact, his job is tougher BECAUSE we're such a big club, massive media scrutiny and fans having more of an influence/voice because of Social media.

[–]jbiresqHerrera -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

LVG changed Moyes training methods and play-style, which basically every new manager does. But United players are professionals and respect his methods. Fergie had to do all that and deal with a group of players who regularly went on midweek benders. It was also the 1980s so the pool of players was a lot smaller so it's not as if he could easily buy replacements (buying from abroad was not nearly as commonplace.) So, really they are incomparable.

[–]the_trainmanRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't agree that they're completely incomparable. The sheer inertia of Fergie's reign is impossible to ignore, let alone overcome.

As much as I love Rooney, that man played under Fergie for most of his career, had his tactics and playing style ingrained in him - same with Carrick and, to some extent, Smalling, Jones and Valencia. That's why LVG had to clear most of the folks from the team. They were 'deadwood' not because they were bad players, but because LVG must have felt that they either weren't suited to the new style or wouldn't really adapt to it.

During Moyes' time, EVERYTHING he did, the players compared to their time under Fergie and that resulted in quite some dissent in the dressing room - maybe that's why he wasn't successful. LVG brought a similar iron-fisted approach to management and told the players to adapt and change, else they'll be booted off.

I agree that they were different times and different problems, but I am just saying that you can draw a parallel between the scope of problems and the work required to overcome them

[–]AngryUncleTonyShaw 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They took over teams in completely different positions, that's a silly comparison.

[–]RoonThaGoonRooney 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

fergie have 250m to do it?

[–]the_trainmanRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think we need to stop the 250M arguement. It is all fair that the supporters of other clubs and media keep bringing that number but we know for a fact that the 250M number is a farce. We're not counting player sales and also, 100M is consisted of only two players - one of whom was sold and the other, Martial, is arguably the reason why we're still fighting for the FA cup and a CL place.

[–]shadowbanned32 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yes. Probably more relatively. Let's consider the fact that Cantona for like 1 mil was a record transfer at the time. Did he spend 60m on a player? No. But consider the world record is over 80m, and Fergie broke a few records in terms of player transfers (Cantona, Keane, Rooney, Rio etc...) he actually spent way more than LvG in relative terms

[–]donmmuniz 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Vialli, Lentini, and Papin were the highest transfers in 1992 at €12 million, cantona was only £1 million

[–]shadowbanned32 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe largest transfer in England then but the point remains that relative to today, Ferguson spent just as much as Van Gaal has

[–]fakeplasticairbag -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

He signed Cantona in his 6th season.

He signed Keane in his 7th season

[–]the_trainmanRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

He didn't have to sign Keane because he already had Bryan Robson in his team... so he didn't have to.

[–]fakeplasticairbag -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

How is that at all relevant to the discussion?

[–]the_trainmanRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am supporting your argument actually... Keane shouldn't be counted because a) he signed him much later, and b) he didn't have to because he already had Robson

[–]shadowbanned32 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

That has nothing to do with my point. The point is that he had money to spend and relative to today it was at least as much as Van Gaal. I guess everyone is taking my comment the way you are but I was just making the point that we spent just as much back then as we have under Van Gaal

[–]youreviltwinbrotherNobody fucks with The Peaky Woodwards 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This sounds like a shit opta tweet

[–]airplanecrazyman69 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

strong mid table team :DDDDDDDDDDDDDD