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[–]ozzya 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm skeptical of the boat load of vaccines they give to my children. It's a double edged sword. If I don't get them vaccinated and something happens to them, I couldn't live with myself. If I continue getting them vaccinated and something happens to them, I'll still blame my self.

[–]BeastPenguin 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a damn shame we even have reason to believe that many pharmaceutical companies don't have people's health in mind, that they'd rather have a lifelong customer than not.

[–]lbrodieee [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Good call probably 23/24 of them are useless but if you don't get that one vaccine they'll make sure to nail you. Most evil empire ever existed. Thank god we will always have the internet to complain about it.

[–]911bodysnatchers322 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not to mention the 47500 cases of paralysis resulting directly from the polio vaccination program in India, which the CDC tried to defend in a very mealy-mouthed manner

https://vactruth.com/2013/11/26/vaccine-associated-polio/

Nonetheless, rare cases of vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis can occur both among immunologically normal OPV recipients and their contacts and among persons who are immunodeficient. In addition, vaccine-derived polioviruses (VDPVs) can emerge to cause polio outbreaks in areas with low OPV coverage and can replicate for years in persons who are immunodeficient.”

Translation sentence one: Our vaccine can cause paralysis in a few people, oh and the people around them including hemophiliacs and hiv infected people who go near them. Basically we created in a few instances, a bioweaponized polioparalyzed child. There's a word for this: iatrogenic medicine

Translation sentence two: our vaccines may protect the vaccinated, but those vaccinated still host infectious polio that affected those who weren't vaccinated, giving a false sense of security in the abject failure int his case of the herd immunity hypothesis, one of the 'clearly false promises of vaccination'. So better get your vaccines or else (even though they don't work correctly and you may be paralyzed or cause others to be)!

[–]ridestraight 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for this post! Informative, comprehensive material is imperative these days!

[–]Vitalogy0107 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Such an amazing post; thank you for compiling this information.

[–]sadhudas 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with this, Such an amazing post

[–]faction12 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Lmao all the sources are 70+ years old. Many over 100

[–]romanmoses 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Because they're from 70+ years ago, I assume?

[–]faction12 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Um, yes. Do you need it explained? Ok. Medicine has advanced to a huge degree since these papers were written?

[–]KiwiBattlerNZ 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

No shit. So why are the death rates from the 19th century always quoted when they try to tell us how vaccines "saved us"?

In 1912, out of every 1000 cases of measles in the US, 26 died. By 1960, that had dropped to around 1 death out of every 1000 cases. The vaccine was invented in 1963.

In the half century before the vaccine was invented, measles mortality had dropped by over 95%.

But we're told the vaccine saved all those lives.

[–]faction12 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's a strawman m8. Here's an actual factoid post-vaccine for you for you:

In 2012, the number of deaths due to measles was 78% lower than in 2000 due to increased rates of immunization among UN member states.

Sorry that you did not have access to adequate education to get you out of conspiracy theories.

[–]spaniel_rage 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

So a system of early identification of infectious contacts, and their isolation and quarantine, works at halting the spread of an infectious disease? Well, colour me surprised. It's not like this principal isn't in use throughout all Western hospitals and public health departments to this day.

That the Leicester method was successful at combating smallpox does not imply that vaccination, as used elsewhere, is an unsuccessful strategy. There is a gaping hole in the logic being used here.

That no vaccine gives 100% immunity, or lifetime protection, is long understood.

Suggest those interested read this history of the Leicester method:

http://journals.cambridge.org/download.php?file=%2F1872_986596BFA60CB0DBA4CB9D1FDB03E071_journals__MDH_MDH24_03_S0025727300040345a.pdf&cover=Y&code=f0657b5957bacd1d892e95a86818a91c

[–]KiwiBattlerNZ 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, colour me surprised. It's not like this principal isn't in use throughout all Western hospitals and public health departments to this day.

Oh really? The truth is, thanks to the vaccines, that is not always the case:

When it comes to the measles vaccine, two shots are better than one. Most people in the United States are initially vaccinated against the virus shortly after their first birthday and return for a booster shot as a toddler. Less than 1% of people who get both shots will contract the potentially lethal skin and respiratory infection. And even if a fully vaccinated person does become infected—a rare situation known as “vaccine failure”—they weren’t thought to be contagious.

That’s why a fully vaccinated 22-year-old theater employee in New York City who developed the measles in 2011 was released without hospitalization or quarantine. But like Typhoid Mary, this patient turned out to be unwittingly contagious. Ultimately, she transmitted the measles to four other people, according to a recent report in Clinical Infectious Diseases that tracked symptoms in the 88 people with whom “Measles Mary” interacted while she was sick. Surprisingly, two of the secondary patients had been fully vaccinated. And although the other two had no record of receiving the vaccine, they both showed signs of previous measles exposure that should have conferred immunity.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/04/measles-outbreak-traced-fully-vaccinated-patient-first-time

Because doctors believed the bullshit about the efficacy of the measles vaccine, they let a contagious person walk out of the hospital and infect four other people - including two other fully vaccinated people.

That no vaccine gives 100% immunity, or lifetime protection, is long understood.

Now that is pure bullshit. That is the very purpose of vaccination. The fact the vaccines fail is actually a relatively new admission.

[–]Sjwpoet[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

So a system of early identification of infectious contacts, and their isolation and quarantine, works at halting the spread of an infectious disease? Well, colour me surprised. It's not like this principal isn't in use throughout all Western hospitals and public health departments to this day.

Very astute observation. So to really boil it right down, follow me here:

  1. Mass vaccinations throughout the 19th century failed to prevent outbreaks, failed to protect the vaccinated, and even caused the spread of disease themselves.

  2. One town decides after watching this failure to stop vaccinating and miraculously they experience fewer and less severe outbreaks than fully vaccinated towns. And miraculously they conquer small pox before 1910, without the use of vaccinations, which if we believe vaccines saved us, would be an impossibility.

The logic here is that: Un-vaccinated people actually did better than vaccinated people. Therefore, to make the claim that "vaccines saved us from small pox" is completely fallacious, and not based in reality. It's the savior myth passed down generation by generation based on nothing just like every other religious savior.

Small Pox, just like every single other disease the majority of which we never developed vaccinations for, all declined more than 90% from 1850-1950, paralleling sanitation, hygiene and improved nutrition.

I have absolutely no doubt, that if there was never one single vaccination ever produced, we would not have any more diseases than we do today. We've crowned the wrong savior, and in doing so, we've become blinded to the absolutely REAL, proven damage that vaccines inflict on people every single day across this planet.

And it's all done in the name of the "Greater Good", because vaccines are our savior. But they're not.

[–]Meekin33 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

It seems to me the bulk of the argument presented here is from the 1800's and early 1900's. I would like to think our methods and medicine have significantly improved in those 1-2 hundred years...

[–]KiwiBattlerNZ 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Funny... because the "horror stories" they always tell us of the days before vaccination are from the same time frame.

Very rarely do they mention that measles mortality dropped by over 95% in the half century before the vaccine was invented. No, they talk about the death rate from a century before and the death rate now, and claim it was the vaccine that made the difference, when in fact most of those deaths (by a long margin) were prevented before the vaccine had even been invented.

[–]varikonniemi 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

When the whole premise is wrong, it does not matter what you do to the methology.

[–]presbitalien [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Methology? The study of meth? Get some sleep.

[–]presbitalien [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Can anyone provide long-term documentation on vaccinated vs. non-vaccinated humans?

[–]Sjwpoet[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No I cannot, because this study which should have been done, hasn't been done. The only case we have, which I mention in the post is Leicester, which abandoned vaccinations acting as a placebo control group versus the rest of the vaccinating world. The results speak for themselves, less frequent and severe outbreaks, and they eliminated small pox completely before 1910, while many places in the world had small pox well into the 20th century despite mass vaccinations.

While most people naively want to believe that "vaccines do no harm" it's well documented that in some people they do very, very serious harm. Further, we are facing an explosion of childhood diseases from ADHD, Allergies, Asthma, autoimmune conditions, Inflammatory diseases, gut disorders, and myriad of other maladies that as of now have no definitively known causes, but we should be at least looking at the role of vaccinations.

Vaccines are made from viruses, DNA, RNA, heavy metals (aluminum, mercury), other adjuvants, chemicals like polysorbate80, aborted fetal tissues, as well as animal byproducts. We can argue the amounts are "tiny" but there's literally no safe level of mercury, it's a potent neurotoxin and when injected into a newborn it can pass the blood brain barrier.

We then inject this concoction into newborn babies that do not have a functioning immune system, in order to "train" this non-functioning immune system, in and of itself, and incredible failure of logic.

The human immune system is not designed for injections, this bypasses more than half of our natural immune system that resides in our gut. Our guts are home to the majority of our immune system because nearly all pathogens enter the body through it.

Now our problem is that people ignorantly believe that the "good" of vaccines, outweighs the potential "bad" of vaccines because..... "Vaccines saved us, and continue to save us from diseases" .... But I do not believe that for a second.

What we need is an honest evaluation of the vaccination schedule, and truly independent studies to be conducted on the safety and efficacy of vaccinations. We can't leave it to an industry that has been caught over an over again (and fined 10's of billions) manipulating studies, marketing lethal drugs, and corrupting science.

The problem is that Government has mandated vaccinations, and if they were to admit that they were causing more harm and not as effective as we believe, it would create a legal nightmare and shit storm with the people of the world. Therefore its expedient to just continue the status quo, never truly investigate, and allow newborns to be damaged by vaccines that are not always safe, and likely not very effective.

Keep in mind here, ALL communicable diseases whether vaccinated or not plummeted by more than 90% (some 98%) by the 1950's, before many vaccines even existed. So to argue they saved us is ridiculous when >90% of the job was already done.

Furthermore, just because a child gets a measles vaccine for example, and then doesn't get measles is not proof of the success of the vaccine. All of these diseases were wiped out by sanitation, hygiene and nutrition, and that's why all over the third world diseases still run rampant.

[–]mutesourcereset -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

God this is stupid

[–]Vitalogy0107 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Very telling that you should respond to such a comprehensive and informative post with what amounts to nothing more than "NO U". You debase yourself and those around you by having such a closed mind regarding matters of such critical importance. I pity those who are so rigid in their beliefs that they must scour the internet looking for posts that they disagree with. Yet this sub, and only this sub, seems to be wrought with fellows like yourself: cowards whose participation is tantamount to taking a shit in the middle of a lecture and watching as everybody stops their previous studies just to see you walk away stinking of crap.

[–]im_buhwheat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You sound like an arrogant asshole.

[–]sincewedidthedo 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The problem is that Dr Humphries is so fervent in her belief that vaccines are evil that it ultimately “blinds” her, and leads her to become clumsy in her interpretation of studies, which in turn hurts her credibility. The more you delve into her work and consult her sources, the more you will find her guilty of:

Cherry-picking isolated statements from a range of studies that support her views but completely ignoring qualifying statements made by those authors and overall conclusions drawn in those studies.

Aiming to confuse readers by quoting 30-year-old studies on the failures of the 1963 inactivated measles vaccine (and serum gamma globulin as a form of treatment) numerous times throughout the chapter, even though both are no longer in use.

Ignoring data on counter studies and third world countries that are inconvenient to her claims.

Stripping numerous quotes off their context as an intentional means to mislead and deceive.

https://medium.com/@visualvaccines/why-dr-suzanne-humphries-an-anti-vaccine-activist-is-lying-to-you-about-measles-ce446d0a7e0f#.1fltumkki

[–]Shivadxb -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Have a single up vote to offset the oncoming wave of down votes.

How dare you post a well constructed analysis and breakdown of the argument using actual logic and evidence based medicine.

[–]gaseouspartdeux -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Anytime there is a debate about vaccinations the very first thing that devout followers of the vaccination religion will argue is that “Vaccines saved us from terrible diseases, and therefore, they are our unquestionable god.” After that, it matters not what your argument is, since gods cannot be questioned. But did vaccines really save us? The answer is no. If they played any part at all, it was minor, and in fact – they may have actually increased the quantity and severity of outbreaks of diseases by acting as a vector for spreading the disease. This article serves to highlight the historical failure of vaccines, specifically with small pox, and highlight what was the likely reason we were able to defeat this as well as countless other non-vaccinated diseases at the same time.

How old are you OP? Were you born in the 40's or 50's or even 60's?

[–]HulaguKan -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If vaccines were a product of an industry with a flawless record of purity and good science, I as well as anyone else, would be foolish to question them.

No such industry exists anywhere and has never existed.

By that logic you should reject all achievements of any industry.

Why don't you?

Besides, what happened to smallpox? Where did it go?

[–]HulaguKan -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Lancet, vol. II, 1829, p. 583.

Spence has progressed a bit in the last 190 years, you know?

[–]bryanpcox -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

when climate change deniers give the finger to Science, they get laughed at...my guess is, there is some crossover with vac-deniers. kinda ironic, I'd say.

[–]nonbreakingspace -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

needs a tl;dr