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Sakho fails drug test after Liverpool v Man Utd in Europa League (self.reddevils)

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[–]spoofexKing Cantona 37ポイント38ポイント  (29子コメント)

Not the first time a Klopp player has had mumblings/accusations of doping. More than a few German fans said that there was always rumours coming out of Dortmund and Schalke about it, when I lived there.

[–]LDN2016 37ポイント38ポイント  (1子コメント)

He knew he was taking a PED, its side effects are fat burning. He was taking telmisarten. Telmisartan has been used by endurance athletes as an alternative to the banned substances AICAR and GW1516. It is also a relatively safe and non-toxic drug used by athletes in dosages of 80-160 mg/day in divided dosages. The latter two drugs have been banned. Telmisartan has been shown to act by a similar mechanism. Specifically, telmisartan promises to enhance running ability, increase fat burning ability, reduce lactic acid formation and enhance recovery from exercise.

Expect a lengthy ban, don't see him ever playing for Liverpool again personally.

-/u/ScouseAnon, on both the deleted threads. I don't understand why the mods keep deleting threads with reliable French/Liverpool sources but keep up a BBC thread which has likely 0 insider info.

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[M] 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just checked the mod log. This post was up first. We try to avoid multiple versions of the same story going up and prefer people include the others in comments like you have kindly done here. Keeps discussion in one place rather than fragmented.

[–]MullerReusIt's hard to believe it's not Scholes! 14ポイント15ポイント  (18子コメント)

Look at the way Klopps teams play, no fucking way is that natural, with Spurs you can see a steady improvement in fitness week after week last year, with Klopps teams they go straight up endurance runners after about 3 weeks.

[–]Rubixsco 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ok I'm going against the overwhelming opinion on this thread but just think about how ridiculous it would be for Klopp to have his entire team on PEDs and then take no precaution in mind of random drugs tests. Sakho wasn't the only one to be tested that day, no one else tested positive. He's been suspended by the club, not UEFA. It's a ridiculous thing to do taking supplements without doing research on its ingredients, but it's equally ridiculous to suggest some tinfoil-hat argument about every Klopp team being souped-up up on PEDs.

If you watch every game, you'll see most of the players do look very tired after 70 minutes. The only exception was against Dortmund where the team looked possessed.

[–]MullerReusIt's hard to believe it's not Scholes! 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Drug tests are easier to pass than you realise, most people pass them, and football testing is slack as fuck.

[–]itsandercontrolDarmian 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, same with Barcelona's pressing. It's insane. Football is lucky that no one really questions it.

[–]LDN2016 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operaci%C3%B3n_Puerto_doping_case

Pretty much an open secret that Spanish athletes were all doping during that period.

Government destroyed the evidence before it became an international scandal. Guardiola's already been banned as a player for doping.

[–]wakey87433Mata 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually the samples haven't been destroyed yet as the appeal was put in. A decision on the appeal hasn't been heard yet.

Real and Barca however did both use the doctor in question. They say for legit reasons and no doping went on but it does seem like Spanish sport had systematic doping going on at the level of the likes of Russia

[–]tocitusMemphis -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Erm this doesn't really make any sense.

I'm all for badmouthing Klopp as he irritates me a fair bit but Sakho was taking fat burners for, it seems, aesthetic purposes.

Unless Klopp's doping of teams is because he's trying to create a team of models, then he's failing.

Besides Liverpool did go through the whole two players with a pulled hamstring every match and they're obviously still not hugely fit given they have a tendency to drop off in matches (Southampton for example).

So all in all I think it'd be pretty ludicrous to accuse them of doping based off a fat burner.

[–]AeroFilzMemphis 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

At this level of sport, weight is of the utmost importance. Losing a pound or two before a match can make an absolutely huge difference. Not to mention the endurance boosting effects of the drug in question. You can definitely expect more drug tests on Liverpool players in the next couple years.

[–]LDN2016 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm very suspect of their sudden ability to press like maniacs as soon as Kloppo arrived. New manager bounce doesn't explain that at all.

Dortmund are playing well under Tuchel but they've switched to a much less pressing reliant and much more possession based system. They just can't press like that anymore.

Here's hoping the entire squad get caught and banned for being drug cheats.

[–]Hansel123 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

They just can't press like that anymore.

Well I might be biased as a BVB supporter, but I'm watching Dortmund play against Stuttgart right now and they play a lot like they used to under Klopp. Stuttgart has to score and has the majority of the possesion, but Dortmund presses like crazy and is super fast on the counters - showing that they can indeed press like they used to. Dortmund still plays a very pressing reliant style, most of the changes Tuchel introduced were a slowed down possession play to deal with opponents who are parking the bus.

I don't follow Liverpool much, but under Klopp, Dortmund certainly paid for the style of football they were playing. The amount of injuries was absolutely ridiculous and most of them were muscle related. This season under Tuchel you can very clearly see a difference in that regard.

[–]LDN2016 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

suspicion comes in when you press that hard week in week out for 60 matches a year. obviously any team can press like atleti for a one off game or once every couple of weeks.

[–]MullerReusIt's hard to believe it's not Scholes! 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Here's hoping the entire squad get caught and banned for being drug cheats.

That would be funny, but I'm not trying to call Liverpool out in some petty attack, this is a serious thought, fat burners now, but what else would they be taking?

[–]spoofexKing Cantona 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Usually stuff that helps speed up recovery (similar to what Tennis players and Cyclists would take).

Also, it wouldn't shock me at all if some of our players at some point had taken them. Particularly looking at Nani, Anderson (at Porto) and possibly one or two others.

[–]Shadowbanned24601Formerly /u/colmshan1990 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Kagawa broke fitness records at United when he arrived for his medical and first preseason, but struggled to complete matches once the Premier League really got going.

Doesn't necessarily mean drugs though, just might have a really good fitness programme.

[–]Joeleus 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Tbf I never saw kagawa being lazy to run. He was just routinely pushed off the ball.

[–]Shadowbanned24601Formerly /u/colmshan1990 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, he struggled to cope physically.

Great talent and hard worker, but didn't seem to have any luck. Every time he managed to fight his way into the team or hit form he seemed to pick up an injury.

[–]Joeleus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, he definitely struggled physically. There is also a mental side to it imo. Like mata gets pushed off the ball quite easily as well (more so in previous seasons) but he doesn't let it affect his game as much as kagawa did.

[–]liableAccountGiggs/Januzaj 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

If there's always been mumblings then why the fuck are the agencies involved not being more aware and testing players daily?! There needs to be transparency here, we need to know who and when players have been tested.

It shouldn't take a great performance to be tested.

[–]LDN2016 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cost, logistics and lack of any sort of political will. Guys like Wenger whinge about it but then nothing gets done.

Football's massive. If you implement a system it has to be Europe wide if not global, god knows how many tiers down the football pyramid it would have to go.

Each squad has 20-30 players, do you test the academy? 100s of teams, tens of thousands of players, weekly testing, almost all year round.

Drugs tend to be 5-10 years ahead of testing so even weekly tests could become inadequate as athletes figure out ways to use PEDs that are only detectable in the system for a couple of days. Obviously daily testing is never going to happen on this scale.

There seems to be little to no political will to do so anyway. It could destroy a very lucrative industry if you find out Messi and Ronaldo are dope fiends and SAF, Mourinho & Guardiola's trophies were all built on cheating.

PL may be able to afford it and handle any potential scandal without destroying their revenue but do you think Portugal will stump up the cash? UEFA and FIFA is unlikely to take on the expense.

[–]spoofexKing Cantona 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cost. Very expensive to constantly test.

[–]wakey87433Mata 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem is doping is one of these things where it's impossible for those fighting it to ever be ahead of those doing it because you have clever people with lots of resources behind doping. It either takes stupidity on the dopers side (or arrogance) for actual dopers to be caught with most of the rest getting caught being so for taking the drugs innocently not realising what was in them

[–]frankbradz 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Calling it now that if he is confirmed guilty, he does less than the 8 months Rio got.

[–]MalforianMartial 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

more like Mamadou Smakho

[–]celticeejit 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

So.... You're saying there's a chance ???

[–]TopMarks[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gotta love that heavy metal football lifestyle!

[–]TopMarks[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36120459

[–]IBENGM 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So will he get banned or What??

[–]TheAwakened 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

T-shirt time - https://www.np.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/4g3dy2/lets_show_mama_our_support/

[–]ZalgologistManchester United -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

I love a bit of bad news for the bin dippers as much as the next red, but isn't the alleged drug in question a fat burner? Hardly a performance enhancer...

[–]DelTrottervan Nistelrooy 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It depends. People can use "ordinary" stuff to try and hide PEDs from showing up in tests.

[–]wakey87433Mata 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

As /u/DelTrotter said what seems like an innocent drug can often be used as a masking agent.

Also while it might have a primary use of fat burning it doesn't mean there isn't PE elements that can come from it either directly or indirectly. Look at the issue with Sharapova in tennis, the drug she was taking supposedly for medical reasons has no direct PE benefit if taken in the advised doses but when taken in higher doses with other things it does have PE abilities

[–]I_EAT_KIPPERSHerrera -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Alleged...