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HealthUS suicide rate surges, particularly among white people (bbc.com)

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[–]firedropsGrad Student|Cultural Anthropology 1223ポイント1224ポイント  (782子コメント)

This comes from two new CDC reports: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db241.htm

and

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/suicide/rates_1999_2014.htm

Suicide rates are increasing for ALL demographics despite declining mortality for other categories. But regarding ethnicity/race:

For females, age-adjusted suicide rates increased between 1999 and 2014 for all racial and ethnic groups except non-Hispanic Asian or Pacific Islanders (API), with the largest percentage increases for non-Hispanic American Indian or Alaska Native (AIAN) females (89%) and non-Hispanic white females (60%) (Figure 1, Table). Suicide rates for non-Hispanic white females increased for all age groups under age 75. The suicide rate for non-Hispanic white females aged 45–64 in 2014 (12.6 per 100,000) was 80% higher compared with 1999 (7.0) and was three to four times higher than for females in other racial and ethnic groups. Suicide rates for non-Hispanic black and Hispanic females also increased for those aged 45–64. Although much lower than for other ages, the suicide rate in 2014 for non-Hispanic white females aged 10–14 years (1.7 per 100,000) more than tripled from 1999 (0.5).

For males, age-adjusted suicide rates increased between 1999 and 2014 by 38% for non-Hispanic AIAN males and by 28% for non-Hispanic white males (Figure 2, Table). In 2014, the suicide rate for non-Hispanic AIAN males aged 25–44 was the highest among all racial and ethnic groups (48.0 per 100,000) and was 60% higher than in 1999 (30.0). Non-Hispanic white males had higher suicide rates in 2014 than in 1999 for all age groups under 75 years, with the greatest percentage increase for those aged 45–64 (59%) and 10–14 (57%). In contrast, non-Hispanic black males were the only racial and ethnic group of either sex to have a lower suicide rate in 2014 (9.7 per 100,000 standard population) compared with 1999 (10.5), an 8% decline.

(Bolding my own to show link to OP's title)

The CDC report does not provide suggestions for explaining these trends.

[–]Yotsubato 1657ポイント1658ポイント  (688子コメント)

We all have an idea of the cause though. It's probably because of the job market and overall bleak future among the middle class and poor.

[–]firedropsGrad Student|Cultural Anthropology 1376ポイント1377ポイント  (510子コメント)

What is interesting is that black men's suicide rates are declining while everyone else's is increasing. Yet, black men's unemployment rates are double that of white men's. Therefore, actual employment positioning may not be a big factor.

Similarly, more than double the percent of African Americans live in poverty than whites. So actual experiences of poverty may not be driving factors.

However, perceptions may be very important. When expectations and norms fail, they can be devastating. It would also be interesting to see the geographic distribution of suicides to see if rates were higher in regions where poverty and unemployment were higher (which is what I'd expect to find.)

[–]PHealthyMPH | Global Health | Infectious Disease 500ポイント501ポイント  (121子コメント)

Maybe whites are strangled to death by their jobs... :/

Rising suicide among adults aged 40-64 years: the role of job and financial circumstances.

Mid-life suicide: an increasing problem in U.S. Whites, 1999-2005.

EDIT:

Regarding my comment:

RESULTS:

Suicide circumstances varied considerably by age, with those related to job, financial, and legal problems most common among individuals aged 40-64 years. Between 2005 and 2010, the proportion of suicides where these circumstances were present increased among this age group, from 32.9% to 37.5% of completed suicides (p<0.05).

Further, suffocation is a method more likely to be used in suicides related to job, economic, or legal factors, and its use increased disproportionately among the middle-aged. The number of suicides using suffocation increased 59.5% among those aged 40-64 years between 2005 and 2010, compared with 18.0% for those aged 15-39 years and 27.2% for those aged >65 years (p<0.05).

[–]firedropsGrad Student|Cultural Anthropology 122ポイント123ポイント  (53子コメント)

Yes, I think it is important to note that this is a trend that has been going on prior to the financial collapse. And of course those jobs are the very middle class positions that we're trying to make more demographically representative - i.e. the larger social goal is often to position African Americans so that they will be in those same kinds of job positions. If it is the employment realities that is driving suicide then we as a society need to seriously consider those risks and how to manage them.

[–]PHealthyMPH | Global Health | Infectious Disease 150ポイント151ポイント  (46子コメント)

I wonder if it has more to do with the indirect effects of high-stress, time-consuming jobs like smaller families, limited friend groups, etc....

Impact of macro-level socio-economic factors on rising suicide rates in South Korea: panel-data analysis in East Asia.

Interesting subject.

[–]classical-k 105ポイント106ポイント  (27子コメント)

Likely a combination of multiple factors that all lead directly to high levels of stress and depression. Rather than pinning this trend on the job market, I'd put it down to a more deep rooted societal problem - one that places a high high value on the job you do as well as forcing you life to depend utterly on employment. This same societal problem also makes it impossible for everyone to obtain a satisfying job- both in terms of income and in perceived value to society

[–]str8baller 38ポイント39ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'd put it down to a more deep rooted societal problem - one that places a high high value on the job you do as well as forcing you life to depend utterly on employment. This same societal problem also makes it impossible for everyone to obtain a satisfying job- both in terms of income and in perceived value to society

Having been a corporate drone for close to 3 years now, I have come to a complete and utter conclusion that what you've said here is absolutely true. Our workplace relationships and culture are toxic and not conducive to the well being of communities and individuals. It's also one of the major reasons I consider myself an active post-capitalist.

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    [–]doyle871 44ポイント45ポイント  (12子コメント)

    This is probably true. When I started working it was 9-5 with two 20 minute breaks and an hour for lunch. Then it became 9-5:30 with one short break and hour lunch, then just an hour lunch and so on now many jobs are being stated as 8-6 with an hour lunch if lucky and over time thought of as mandatory if you want to progress. There was a study recently saying the brain stops running optimally after 25hrs of work so more and more work less and less down time must have some kind of effect.

    [–]milfwitcookies 27ポイント28ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I completely agree with this. Jobs have become more demanding and expect you to be glued to your email day in and day out. I have received emails on weekends and was expected to complete whatever task that moment. I received a text at 3am on a sunday regarding work. This definitely drove me to depression. And for what? the income while on paper looked great, combine insane taxes and high cost of living and you will begin to question why you ever worked so hard to get out of poverty.

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        [–]Thelonious_Cube 17ポイント18ポイント  (24子コメント)

        Further, suffocation is a method more likely to be used in suicides related to job, economic, or legal factors

        That is really weird to me - that the method chosen would be affected significantly by the reason

        [–]MuonManLaserJab 28ポイント29ポイント  (12子コメント)

        Those might be more slow-burn stressors that give one time to plan a certain and painless method?

        [–]leaky_wand 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Nailed it. Much less dramatic and more practical. Plus you leave a less horrific corpse compared with shooting yourself or jumping off a bridge.

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              [–]thipp 543ポイント544ポイント  (155子コメント)

              Perception is the relevant part; many black males come to accept unemployment. I suspect cultural and upbringing differences lead to white man feeling far more distress about unemployment than black men.

              [–]firedropsGrad Student|Cultural Anthropology 170ポイント171ポイント  (20子コメント)

              Yes, a recent poll suggests 69% of African Americans expect their financial situation to improve while only 35% of white respondents agreed.

              I read a great article that I currently can't seem to find that analyzed this in relation to Bernie Sander's problems with middle aged and older black voters. If your outlook is that things are improving and will continue to improve financially, rhetoric that things suck and we need to go back to the way things were is going to fail with that voter demographic. If rhetoric is that you plan to continue implementing the current president's economic plans and the perception is that those plans are working for your community then it makes sense you'd be more attracted to that candidate. At least for the financial/economic piece of voter decision making processes.

              [–]daimposter 42ポイント43ポイント  (7子コメント)

              If your outlook is that things are improving and will continue to improve financially, rhetoric that things suck and we need to go back to the way things were is going to fail with that voter demographic. If rhetoric is that you plan to continue implementing the current president's economic plans and the perception is that those plans are working for your community then it makes sense you'd be more attracted to that candidate

              That makes a lot of sense and I've seen that discussed on NPR podcasts and the 538 podcast.

              Why would you want to completely change everything if you feel the current course is improving?

              [–]iismitch55 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

              If you find that article, I'd love to read it. That's really interesting, and I've never thought of it that way.

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                [–]agent0731 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                Also, equal suffering, along with the rest of your peers, actually lessens the burden. An oppressed minority might be better equipped to deal with such stressors as a collective. For example, my parents and grandparents grew up under communist rule and I kept hearing "everyone was in the same boat, so not having much didn't depress us as it would today" from not only them, but a lot of others of their generation. Suffering in perceived isolation probably magnifies the pain.

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                  [–]grosslittlestage 42ポイント43ポイント  (14子コメント)

                  What is interesting is that black men's suicide rates are declining while everyone else's is increasing. Yet, black men's unemployment rates are double that of white men's.

                  Those facts aren't really related. You should compare the change in black suicide to the change in black employment. Black unemployment might be rapidly declining (thus explaining the declining suicide rate) but still be worse than white unemployment.

                  [–]tatertatertatertot 47ポイント48ポイント  (7子コメント)

                  http://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/cpsee_e16.htm

                  Unemployment rates for all demographics except Asians are falling (Asian unemployment was already very low). And suicides among white men are going up, not going down at a slower rate than among black men.

                  This issue has a lot of research and data already accrued and looked at through out the scientific and popular media:

                  http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/why-is-the-death-rate-rising-among-middle-aged-white-americans

                  http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/03/health/death-rates-rising-for-middle-aged-white-americans-study-finds.html?_r=0

                  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34714842

                  Importantly to any attempted link, the increase PRECEDED the financial collapse of 2008, and has been increasing (according to the Case-Deaton study) since at least 2000.

                  [–]PWL73316 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  This needs to be be basically the top comment instead of everyone ranting about the stock or job market.

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                    [–]firedropsGrad Student|Cultural Anthropology 39ポイント40ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    The links I have in my comment suggest that in for both demographics unemployment is on the decline. However, poverty rates are slightly increasing for white demographics while remaining stable for black populations.

                    So comparatively white people and black people face similar levels of unemployment nationwide and black people still statistically are much more likely to be living in poverty. However, while black poverty has remained stagnant white poverty has slightly increased.

                    For the poverty piece I'm citing the US Census Bureau's most recent publication on this:

                    The real median income of non-Hispanic White households declined 1.7 percent between 2013 and 2014. For Black, Asian, and Hispanic-origin households, the 2013-2014 percentage changes in real median income were not statistically significant

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                        [–]maybe_little_pinch 28ポイント29ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        The first thing I thought of was what is the most common demographic that's been deployed to the Middle East. I don't personally know, but with rates of PTSD and suicide rates rising within veterans, how does it affect overall rates?

                        [–]OHSB 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Native Americans are the most likely to join the military, so I imagine they may be most likely to be deployed in the ME.
                        Whites are second, and also second highest suicide rate. Don't know whether it's a coincidence or not, but there you go.

                        [–]Im_A_OF_Soldier 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Wouldn't surprise me. They say 21 vets & 1 active duty US military commit suicide every day.

                        [–]mtg4l 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        I don't think this sort of speculation belongs in r/science.

                        [–]bartink 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        That doesn't fit the data at all. The demographic hit hardest by the recession, the generation whose lifetime earnings were irrecoverably lowered, millennials, isn't experiencing the highest increase. These two (45–64 and 10–14) are. In fact, its those that probably have the best economic prospects (same two groups) that had the greatest increase, exactly backwards from your hypothesis. And those with the worst job prospects, black males, have a lower rate than before.

                        I know that both party's campaigns are running on the sky falling and its the dominate media narrative (its also probably wrong), but something else is likely going on.

                        [–]freeze-dried 73ポイント74ポイント  (40子コメント)

                        Have you ever talked to a suicidal person? I doubt they'd ever say they want to kill themselves because the job market is so bad. It's a much more complicated issue than that.

                        [–]CariniGambarini 176ポイント177ポイント  (5子コメント)

                        A lot of depression comes from a person's perception of their own self worth, and in this culture a huge part of that is being able to support yourself and make a living. We live in an incredibly individualized society, where people are degraded and constantly demoralized for things like asking for helping and/or relying on family/friends. A huge part of the increase in suicide rates would undoubtedly be explained by the increase in one's inability to function according to the social norms outlined by the society in which they live, and in the U.S. that means "buckling down and lifting yourself up by your bootstraps," despite the fact that we've created an economic and social climate in which that is no longer possible. Three of my aunt's are psychiatrists, and I've been in therapy my entire life. Also struggled with depression and was a psych and sociology major/minor in undergrad. It makes perfect sense.

                        [–]vit47 51ポイント52ポイント  (10子コメント)

                        Like not finding a decent job because of the job market and either being homeless or having to work multiple minimum wage jobs? A lot of people actually kill themselves over that.

                        [–]every_other_monday 23ポイント24ポイント  (8子コメント)

                        That is a huge part of it for sure.

                        But I think even more fundamentally is what that does to someone's identity and sense of value when they've lived their entire life with expectations that can no longer be met. It's an existential thing, really.

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                          [–]Jmrwacko 29ポイント30ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          Most people I know who committed suicide were in difficult financial situations. I know that's just anecdotal (I'm a lawyer, and lawyers are especially prone to suicidal behavior), but I'd be shocked if employment status weren't a major factor in the overall suicide rate.

                          [–]swingerz 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          Or depression tends to weigh on people's ability to be productive at work, putting them in difficult financial straights.

                          This is interesting

                          [–]BlackDeath3 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Or depression tends to weigh on people's ability to be productive at work, putting them in difficult financial straights.

                          Oh yeah, this hits close to home. I can see this in my not-so-distant future.

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                            [–]no_but_srsly_tho- 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Have you ever worked paycheck to paycheck for ten-plus years not knowing if you will be homeless because someone mis-budgeted and decides they need to lay you off?

                            [–]maybe_little_pinch 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

                            Yes, actually, quite a few of the people who I treat in acute setting are depressed largely because they are unemployed and believe that they wouldn't be depressed if they had a job. This is just an anecdote, and I haven't collected data, but I can say that at least one person has expressed that they would kill themselves because they cannot find work.

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                                [–]TheRegistater 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                I love that they leave out Alaska natives out of suicide statistics most of the time. According to alaska.gov "In 2014, the rate of Alaska Native males that died by suicide was 50.9 suicides per 100,000"

                                We are so strapped for suicide prevention and with out budget crisis we are just letting people die.

                                [–]mountain-troll [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                Yeah, I agree, ridiculous. It's wrong to ignore them when their increase was nearly 100 percent!

                                [–]lecturermoriarty[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Thank you for linking!

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                                  [–]bitt3n 279ポイント280ポイント  (40子コメント)

                                  The NY Times article is considerably more detailed. Additional observations include the fact that suicide rates increased even during period of economic improvement and that suicides by gun have declined as a fraction of the whole.

                                  [–]careless_sux 161ポイント162ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                  The stock market is up, but for a lot of Americans the economic situation is still bleak.

                                  Most people should know by now that the official unemployment numbers are a terrible measure of the economy.

                                  [–]silverwyrm [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

                                  I would like to see a study done RE: Suicide vs. Wealth Inequality.

                                  [–]docforeman [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                  Me too. But getting that data is really really hard. That's why there are very few well-researched thoughts and questions on this Reddit thread. There are methods to study this, and the data scientists are standing in line to do it...They just need DATA. ourdatahelps.org

                                  [–]interiorlittlevenice [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                  Countries with drastically higher inequality in Africa and South America tend to have lower suicide rates. If anything, suicide is correlated positively with national wealth, not wealth inequality. It's worth noting that inside wealthy countries, those who tend to be poorer do have slightly higher rates of depression and suicide (though whether this is depressed people likely to be poorer or vice versa is up for debate), but on an international level it appears to be cultural rather than economic.

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                                        [–]greenmask 480ポイント481ポイント  (134子コメント)

                                        Since it's a spike in the older generation 45 - 65, do you think it's because of recent economic climate? People are entering retirement age but it's impossible for many people at this time to retire. Outsourcing, technological advances and increasing number of younger folks with college degrees entering and replacing the workforce, older generation is getting pushed out. This has always happened but few years ago, they could retire comfortably. Also, we are predicting another recession in the U.S. in a few years because we think we're in a bubble again. Looking at China and parts of Europe, Global market /stocks has been experiencing bit of a downturn. Do you think loss of investments caused this too? I'm probably wrong since I don't know much about suicide statistics or this topic in general. Just came across this thread while browsing at work and the thought popped into my head.

                                        [–]Drews232 304ポイント305ポイント  (34子コメント)

                                        I think the biggest factor is that this is the first generation to have worked in an era where pensions were eradicated and replaced with 401ks that a vast percentage of workers never sign up for because they need to pay bills, not save.

                                        Edit: some sources

                                        Among the Baby Boomer generation (those age 51 to 69 in 2015), just 38 percent have an IRA. That rate is only slightly higher than Generation X (age 35 to 50; 33 percent) and Millennials (18 to 34; 27 percent). http://fundreference.com/articles/2015/1001362/retirement-savings-stats/

                                        http://www.forbes.com/sites/laurashin/2015/04/09/the-retirement-crisis-why-68-of-americans-arent-saving-in-an-employer-sponsored-plan/#5a1df41d19d8

                                        [–]EeLitaret 100ポイント101ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                        Nevermind the huge amounts of self employed and small businesses that can't afford a 401k

                                        [–]CloudsOfDust 7ポイント8ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                        Does it cost a company much if they set up a 401k for employees and just don't offer a match? That'd be better than nothing...

                                        [–]neutrons_n_shit 36ポイント37ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                        There are still low-cost options, such as an IRA with a brokerage like Vanguard. There won't be any company matching, of course, which admittedly is probably some people's initial reason for funding their 401k in the first place.

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                                          [–]bartink 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                          I have no idea if saving's rates are lower than previous generations, but it isn't true that people have less disposable income than previous generations. Source.

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                                            [–]structuralbiology 169ポイント170ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                            They're a sandwich generation. They're responsible for taking care of their kids and their aging parents. It's a heavy burden to bear.

                                            Raising kids, saving up for their education, taking them to soccer practice, etc.

                                            Paying your own mortgage, saving for retirement, etc.

                                            Taking care of mom and dad, hospitalization costs, assisted living (which is expensive as hell), etc.

                                            [–]CelestialHorizon 20ポイント21ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                            They sure AF are not hiring younger people to replace older people. Or at least in my experience

                                            "hi would you like to be a front desk clerk? " (or Safeway/Vons, Home Depot, any entry level desk job)

                                            Yeah.

                                            " Do you have 3+ years experience?"

                                            No, I do have a degree though.

                                            "Eh too bad. You were not selected for the position."

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                                              [–]lcreloaded 188ポイント189ポイント  (86子コメント)

                                              Sad. Wonder how many are linked to debt: Alimony, student loans, medical bills, etc. The article did state that rates where higher among those without university degrees, however. Without a degree doesn't mean no student debt though. Having a few years of college with student debt would be a lot worse than debt with a degree.

                                              Also 45-64 could cover the later baby-boomers starting to get cancer and other age-related illnesses, choosing the route of less suffering.

                                              We really need more statistics, if available, on the apparent reasons, perhaps given by family members or notes to help reduce the numbers.

                                              [–]wazoheat 126ポイント127ポイント  (70子コメント)

                                              Some of the greatest increases are in the 10-14 year old demographic. Definitely not debt-based there.

                                              [–]wehrmann_tx 83ポイント84ポイント  (32子コメント)

                                              Increase in social media bullying. No escape at home anymore. You get bullied 24/7.

                                              [–]DokkanDokkanDokkan [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

                                              I think a way to improve that is to teach kids that the internet/social media isnt a big part of your life. For people that grew up with no social media they can take it less serious, but if it's all you've ever known then it's a huge deal.

                                              The escape should be to just turn off your phone/laptop or even just turn off Facebook/Twitter/etc. It's a very simple escape, it's just the importance of that is huge to kids

                                              [–]gabed314 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              The amount of people literally telling people to kill themselves for saying completely harmless things is too damn high.:(

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                                                    [–]RagingBulk 96ポイント97ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                    I'm curious as to how many of them are soldiers.

                                                    [–]fsmpastafarianPhD | Clinical Psychology 43ポイント44ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                    Here's some information about suicide rates among deployed and non-deployed veterans (41% and 61% higher than the general population, respectively). I'm not sure if you were asking specifically about active duty military, but that link still has some interesting info and good graphics that may interest you.

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                                                      [–]lecturermoriarty[S] 149ポイント150ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                      The last time I posted a link on suicide there were a lot of comments about people dealing with depression and suicidal thoughts. Mod /u/kerovon made a great comment then with a lot of useful information that I've copied for this article as well.

                                                      Suicide

                                                      Ladies and gentlemen. Suicide is a problem that is near and dear to some of us and it can be a very troubling issue. If you are having thoughts of suicide, self-harm, or painful emotions that can result in damaging outbursts, please consult the hotline posted in the OP or dial one of these numbers numbers I copypasta'd below for help! Remember, no medical advice is allowed in our posts and that includes psychiatric advice (asking for medical treatments of psychological diseases).

                                                      U.S.

                                                      Cutting: 1-800-366-8288

                                                      Substance Abuse: 1-877-726-4727

                                                      Domestic Abuse: 1-800-799-7233

                                                      Depression Hotline: 1-630-482-9696

                                                      Suicide Hotline: 1-800-784-8433

                                                      LifeLine: 1-800-273-8255

                                                      Crisis Textline: Text "start" to 741-741

                                                      Human trafficking: 1-(888)-373-7888

                                                      Trevor Project (LGBT sexuality support): 1-866-488-7386

                                                      Sexuality Support: 1-800-246-7743

                                                      Eating Disorders Hotline: 1-847-831-3438

                                                      Rape and Sexual Assault: 1-800-656-4673

                                                      Grief Support: 1-650-321-5272

                                                      Runaway: National Runaway Safeline 1-800-RUNAWAY (1-800-786-2929)

                                                      Exhale: Abortion Hotline/Pro-Voice: 1-866-4394253

                                                      International Hotline List:

                                                      http://www.suicide.org/international-suicide-hotlines.html

                                                      https://www.facebook.com/help/103883219702654

                                                      UK:

                                                      Samaritans (Suicide / General Crisis): 08457 90 90 90

                                                      Rape: 0808 802 634 1414

                                                      Eating / Weight Issues: 0845 634 1414

                                                      Another one in the UK: Campaign Against Living Miserably - 0800 58 58 58

                                                      Canada:

                                                      General Crisis Help: http://www.dcontario.org/help.html (Click your location for the number, Ontario only)

                                                      Kids Help (Under 19): 800-668-6868

                                                      Suicide Hotline - 1.800.784.2433.

                                                      Distress Centre for Southern Alberta (Canada) - 1.403.266.4357,

                                                      http://suicideprevention.ca/thinking-about-suicide/find-a-crisis-centre/

                                                      http://mindcheck.ca/

                                                      New Zealand

                                                      Youthline: 0800 37 66 33

                                                      Lifeline 24/7 Helpline: 0800 543 354

                                                      Suicide Prevention Helpline: 0508 TAUTOKO (0508 828 865)

                                                      Chinese Lifeline: 0800 888 880

                                                      Australia

                                                      Suicide Call Back Service: 1300 659 467

                                                      Community Action for the Prevention of Suicide (CAPS): 1800 008 255

                                                      http://www.beyondblue.org.au/get-support/national-help-lines-and-websites

                                                      Lifeline: 13 11 14

                                                      Kids Help Line (ages 15-25): 1800 55 1800

                                                      Sweden

                                                      Självmordslinjen: 90101 Chatt: https://mind.se/sjalvmordslinjen/chatt/

                                                      Jourhavande medmänniska: 08- 702 16 80 öppet 21-06 http://www.jourhavande-medmanniska.com/

                                                      If there are other hotlines people wish to add, please include them on this post. And remember, stay on topic and no joke threads.

                                                      Thank you!

                                                      [–]chocolatesnackpack 33ポイント34ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                      It seems like they went down a little bit following September 11th 2001. Interesting.

                                                      [–]AnonymousMaleZero 117ポイント118ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                      There was a sense of unity that followed 9/11.

                                                      [–]nrafairytale 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      Nothing new here. Suicide rates went down substantially during WWII, and tend to during wars more generally. "War is a force that gives us meaning," as Chris Hedges memorably put it. 9/11 was like a miniature version of this.

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                                                        [–]thbt101 19ポイント20ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                        The most surprising thing to me about the data was realizing how low the suicide rate is in general. If I'm understanding it correctly, it's about 13 per 100,000 people? I had no idea suicide was the uncommon. And that number presumably includes people suffering from terminal diseases who end their lives a bit early.

                                                        [–]jz0n 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        That's per year. In other words, in a given year, on average, 13 out of 100,000 will commit suicide.

                                                        [–]KonstantinKlokov [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                                        Suicide attempts are about 25 times that

                                                        [–]Pandamonial [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                        I was curious, so I did some number crunching/research. For the US, at 318.9 million people this is about 41,457 people commiting suicide annually. Pretty decent size number, but in the scope of population, that's about .013%.

                                                        KonstantinKlokov's figure is also correct. Approximately ~1.3 million adults attempt suicide in the US annually. This one's a bit more staggering with 0.6% of US adults attempting suicide. More than I thought, and this doesn't even include the younger age bracket :/

                                                        http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/suicide-datasheet-a.pdf

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                                                          [–]Userdataunavailable 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          I wake up everyday and wonder why I did. Oh wait, it's so my adult children don't have to deal with another of their parents killing themselves. That's it, that's all. I can completely understand this statistic. Life seems hopeless. My retirement plan is death. I have nothing compared to my parents at this point in their lives. Just debt and stress on the horizon for me, yay!

                                                          [–]2big_2fail 66ポイント67ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                          Is it possible reporting methods have changed?

                                                          I believe there is a lot of pressure and influence on medical examiners now to lean toward suicide because of the plague of accidental prescription-drug overdoses.

                                                          [–]araiman21 40ポイント41ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                          In fact that would only lower the overall count, scary as it seems. In the case of an OD, the ME's will never rule it a suicide unless there's overwhelming evidence to suggest so. It's accidental until proven suicide, if you will.

                                                          [–]Lerry220 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                          What exactly constitutes overwhelming evidence? And has this exact policy been in effect since 1999? I find myself morbidly curious about this one.

                                                          [–]throwaway2588522 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          I imagine unless the person wrote a suicide note or had previous attempts it'd be ruled an OD.

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                                                              [–]3i3e3achine 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                              Is there any information on poverty level? I wonder if there's correlation, does anyone have info?

                                                              [–]JoeDonJackson 22ポイント23ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                              Is an increase of 3 out of 100 k annually, in 15 years, considered a 'surge'.

                                                              Isn't it well within the margin of error ?

                                                              [–]flynnsanity3 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                              Some people have suggested that reporting methods are simply more accurate, but there are a lot of factors to be explored before that conclusion is drawn.

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                                                                [–]meatball4u 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                The New York Times just made a recent important edit on their article:

                                                                "We have been getting an overwhelming response to this article and wanted to add a few things. The National Institute of Mental Health recommends this site (http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org). It also warns that reporting on suicide can lead to so-called suicide contagion, in which exposure to the mention of suicide within a person’s family, peer group or in the media can lead to an increase in suicides.

                                                                There are many groups that help people having suicidal thoughts. One, Crisis Text Line, inspired by teenagers’ attachment to texting but open to people of all ages, provides free assistance to anyone who texts “help” to 741-741.

                                                                If you prefer to talk on the phone, N.I.H. recommends the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline: 1-800-273-TALK (8255)."

                                                                [–]Roook36 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                Well my brother isn't in these stats. He made his decision in 2015.

                                                                [–]NegativeVibeFeeder 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                I suffer from severe combat PTSD and I've been down this road so many times. Thank you God that I'm still here.

                                                                [–]borophylle 29ポイント30ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                The 'stigma' against mental illness is worse for men than for women. There are less resources in general for men, and less people willing to empathize with a struggling male. It makes sense, too. I'm perfectly okay with watching a Hollywood torture scene where a man is brutalized by some Russian thug but if a woman were in his place, I'd be mortified.

                                                                The gender issue is probably mostly explained by this phenomenon. There are other factors, but I'm confident that this is mostly on point. There's just an inherent (arguably genetic) aversion to female suffering and apathy towards male suffering.

                                                                [–]lipplog 49ポイント50ポイント  (28子コメント)

                                                                Let me guess... the rise has something to do with the rise of prescription opiate addiction?

                                                                EDIT: Yup.

                                                                [–]Sargo34 27ポイント28ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                I can definitely see this. In my teens I was given Tylenol 4 to treat chronic pain in my knee and while it certainly helped with that, the high was also a temporary "cure" for my depression. Needless to say the high was followed with a huge low and my suicidal plans involved OD

                                                                [–]lipplog 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                That's even more heartbreaking, because it suggests there's a fairly simple solution, but the problem is access to healthcare.

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                                                                  [–]JonBananas 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                  Why "yup"?

                                                                  There are a multitude of factors, with drugs being towards the bottom of the list. I'm sure the main issue is economic, not drug related.

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