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[–][deleted] 355ポイント356ポイント  (164子コメント)

Gary Johnson, I cannot afford the therapist I know I need and overall feel as if I have no future. I am just another poor person being squeezed out and left to dry by the ultra-rich.

As someone wanting to run for president, what hope can you give me that the country being 'fiscally conservative' is going to help me and my family reach that american dream of upward mobility? What will individual freedom and liberty do to help my situation?

[–]GovGaryJohnson[S] -470ポイント-469ポイント  (163子コメント)

The best chance you have to reach the American dream is through entrepreneurship. Individual freedom and liberty will better allow you to do that. Create your own job -- don't be a victim. Take control of your own future!

[–]LoadofBees 79ポイント80ポイント  (0子コメント)

haha "let them eat empty platitudes." this would be a joke if it wasn't so fucking sad

[–][deleted] 53ポイント54ポイント  (0子コメント)

Psychology 101 dictates that people tend to blame internal factors when they see someone perform less than optimally rather than acknowledging the effects of external influences. This is exactly what is happening when one fails to admit outside influences can harm one's ability to succeed in American society. Essentially, considering the victim to be "choosing" his predicament.

Further, the entrepreneurial field is not a viable route for everyone, especially those who are in need of some sort of therapy. If anything, this is a cop out answer attempting to feed fanfare for a feel-good, individualistic ideology rather than an attempt to help someone solve an issue.

don't be a victim.

He is a victim though and it sounds very much like he has mental health issues.

Simply stating for him "not to be a victim" implies that he is choosing status as a victim, which it's obvious he is not as he has a necessity for therapy and is poor due to external circumstances. This really hits on the larger issue regarding the inability to admit that structural problems can GREATLY influence one's individual actions and ability. Sociology, psychology, and an array of other scientific fields overwhelmingly support the fact that environment influences a person or even a group of people to great extents. Hence, nature vs. nurture includes the latter.

And Mr. Governor, do you really deem entrepreneurship a viable endeavor for one that most likely lacks the funds to purchase start up capital and is clearly in need of therapy?

Edit: Screw grammar.

[–]uncannyvalleyranch 116ポイント117ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm sorry, did you honestly just tell someone who needs medical attention to just ignore their illness and everything will be wonderful? Plus accusing him of making himself a victim?

Wow.

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    [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    ?

    [–]solistus 76ポイント77ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Statistically speaking, starting your own business is a terrible way to "reach the American dream." The overwhelming majority of new businesses fail, and the overwhelming majority of people would have to take out substantial loans (if they even have access to sufficient private credit in the first place) to fund a startup. That means the majority of people who follow your advice would find themselves with a failed business, a mountain of debt, and the same mental health issue that you completely sidestepped in your response.

    [–]when_did_i_grow_up 252ポイント253ポイント  (55子コメント)

    Great advice for an individual, horrible advice for a populace. Everyone can't be an entrepreneur. To quote Caddyshack, "the world needs ditch diggers too".

    [–]IAmNotAPerson6 161ポイント162ポイント  (13子コメント)

    Not even good advice for the individual. "Individual freedom and liberty allows you to reach the American dream... Create your own job -- don't be a victim." Great! How the fuck do you do that?

    [–]Pass_the_lolly 225ポイント226ポイント  (2子コメント)

    be born into a rich family so you can afford to take risks!!!!!

    [–]comments_more_load 48ポイント49ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He's obviously suggesting his own path - parlaying your mental disorders into a successful career in politics.

    [–]Amandrai 68ポイント69ポイント  (30子コメント)

    The flip-side is, your individual freedom and liberty and ability to reach the American dream on your own means if you're poor, if you're oppressed, etc., it's not because of complex socioeconomic issues, it's just your own damn fault. It's a neoliberal myth.

    And let's be clear here, entrepreneurship is not a freaking Garden of Eden Creation Kit-- becoming economically self-sustainable by starting a business has a very low chance of success, and NOT EVERYONE HAS THE SAME ACCESS TO CAPITAL AND EXPERTISE TO START A BUSINESS AND EDUCATION THAT WILL IMPROVE YOUR SLIM CHANCES.

    [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The thing is though, we won't need ditch diggers for much longer..

    [–]Nathan173AB 106ポイント107ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Create your own job? Excellent! All he has to do is just put on his job helmet, slide himself into his job canon, then fire himself into Job Land where he can just plant his own job tree and jobs will magically sprout from it. What a great idea! Boy, I'm so glad that we have such brilliant people like you in high places of power!

    [–]Gordon_Freeman_Bro 67ポイント68ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is the worst advice I've ever seen.

    [–]HelloFellowHumans 66ポイント67ポイント  (7子コメント)

    This comment is pretty much why no one who isn't a able-bodied white male from a upper middle class or higher background should ever fucking support the libertarian party. "Can't succeed because you're poor/uneducated/a minority/female/FUCKING MENTALLY ILL? Just try harder!"

    [–]MolemanusRex 63ポイント64ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Because if we banned the government everyone would be John D. Rockefeller. Obviously.

    [–]kkjdroid 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Who the hell do you think you are? Where the hell do you think you live? You can't just will a job into existence. This is the United States in 2014, not the United States in 1965.

    [–]imajerk_now 62ポイント63ポイント  (2子コメント)

    With what capital? You can't start a buisness with nothing. And even if he manages to start something and it ends up somehow being successful, what is he supposed to live on until it starts generating some kind of profit? Can you eat indivitual freedom and liberty?

    [–]zuesk134 86ポイント87ポイント  (0子コメント)

    yeah having serious mental illness issues is being a victim. congrats on sounding like an asshole!

    [–]TBS_ 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

    oh boy

    [–]astromono 36ポイント37ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Wow. With an answer like that, not only will I never vote for you, I'll do everything in my power to assure you're never elected dog catcher. Fuck you.

    [–]HelloFellowHumans 136ポイント137ポイント  (5子コメント)

    I made a reddit account just to down-vote this comment. You should at least the common goddamn courtesy to throw out some buzzwords about how, I dunno, privatized medicare would have helped him because of the ~free market~. We know you don't give a shit, but you could at least pretend.

    [–]hermithome 21ポイント22ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I like you.

    [–]HelloFellowHumans 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

    If you were the person who gave me the gold, thanks! :)

    [–]hermithome 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

    'Fraid not. I'm too much of a victim to afford gold. :p

    [–]Psyladine 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Why not become an entrepreneur and make your own success? Then you can sell it to people in the form of platitudes and empty condescending remarks.

    [–]darklingquiddity 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You know what, thank you, now we know just the audience to market our shady courses and newsletters or products to!

    Clearly those people do not need the money, they already have enough to buy/excavate theoretical currencies. Now I will not feel bad doing the ethical thing. Maybe some more of them will even wake up!

    [–]SueZbell 63ポイント64ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Are you aware that the head start the rich families have in the economic rat race grows exponentially with each generation? How would you address that?

    [–]PointOfRecklessness 38ポイント39ポイント  (0子コメント)

    As a former Libertarian diagnosed with OCD and clinical depression, can I have my vote back now?

    [–]BawbDowl 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Where the hell did you learn economics?

    Most of these "entreprenarial" positions require employees to be successful. The economy can't function if every single person is a manager. Not to mention not everybody has startup capital to pull this off.

    [–]Gamiac 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hey, while you're at it, you should also let all those paraplegics out there know that running a marathon will magically make their disability go away. If you could do that, that would be great. Thanks.

    -Handsome Jack

    [–]jargoon 56ポイント57ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You are an idiot and an asshole.

    [–]ultravioletfly 46ポイント47ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Fuck you too.

    [–]uglychican0 38ポイント39ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What a cocksucker of an answer.

    [–]Pass_the_lolly 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Wow... This guy....

    [–]ImNotJesus 185ポイント186ポイント  (37子コメント)

    Are you fucking kidding me? Did you just say

    don't be a victim.

    to someone who said they struggling because of mental illness? I'm assuming you go to oncology wards and give the same "suck it up" speech to cancer sufferers or do you reserve your self-righteousness for only the mentally ill? I can't believe people go for this "if you're not rich it's your fault" crap that libertarians sell.

    [–]flesjewater 35ポイント36ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Shit like this makes me so glad I don't live in the US. Who allows idiots like this to be in charge?

    [–]Psyladine 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

    /r/libertarian

    /r/anarchocapitalism

    /r/whowillbuildtheroads

    /r/shitstatistssay

    [–]Benthetraveler 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Insane to think an idiot like this was in charge of a state.

    [–]DantePD 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Congratulations. You just might be the most ignorant motherfucker in American politics since Moose Princess Barbie hit the national stage.

    [–]darklingquiddity 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We already know that politicians are really this dumb. But /r/socialism and /r/anarchism thank you for explicitly outing yourself as embarrassing and shifty as hell. Take your entrepreneurs to hell with you, the word is so insulting to some poor guy or girl doing awful things just to get by or people with really good ideas that get taken from them.

    Please, libertarians and ancaps, wake up from your dream and realize you were drunk on money. We will welcome you when you recover from the hangover and can read without the words swirling around in your head randomly. And don't make any more stupid videos annoying cops or old ladies, k? They might be evil, but putting your buffoonery next to theirs doesn't make them look worse....

    [–]fre3k 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Wow, I can't believe I actually voted for you in the last presidential election. A sincere fuck you Mr. Johnson, from a mentally ill person who was luckily able to get the help he needed.

    [–]owlesque5 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is officially one of the most heartless, ignorant, cruel, and clueless things I've read on the internet...and that is saying something.

    I hope that the hideousness of what you just said hits you hard. I wouldn't ever wish the experience of mental illness on anyone, especially with the added stress of being unable to afford treatment, but I hope that somehow you, personally, will be able to fully comprehend how wildly, incredibly awful your response is.

    I don't know what kind of universe you live in where "individual freedom and liberty" means "the freedom to suffer from illness without being able to afford treatment," or "the liberty of being stuck in the cycle of poverty," or "the freedom to remain abandoned and floundering," but I want no part of it and I want it to fail miserably.

    [–]TargetTango 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

    And this is why I will never take any Libertarian seriously.

    [–]PurpleSfinx 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Wow you're a jackass.

    [–]slyder565 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You are a fucking piece of shit. Quit your job.

    [–][deleted] 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Fuck you. What a piece of shit you are.

    [–]Duskmon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I liked you a lot before seeing this response.

    [–]Rhianu 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Explain to me how a person who has mental, emotional, and/or psychological problems could possibly succeed at running their own business? That sounds like a recipe for disaster to me. Any rational person could easily see that someone who has psychological problems would need to get therapeutic help FIRST before they attempted to do something so excruciatingly difficult and strenuous as starting a business. Otherwise the stress of running a business would just make things worse. Let them eat cake indeed...