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Woman in leading Flint water crisis lawsuit slain in twin killing (mlive.com)
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[–]Nerdinater -33ポイント-32ポイント-31ポイント 1時間前 (28子コメント)
Why dont people just pick up and leave? I mean are they dumber than cows?
If a cow is surounded by dirt and nothing to eat it goes to where there is. Are the people that live there dumber than an animal that goes MOOO?
[–]Kansityshuffle 20ポイント21ポイント22ポイント 1時間前 (17子コメント)
Lol pick up and leave? I live a couple counties over from flint, and let me tell you, most would if they could. Its kind of hard to "pick up and leave" when most have less than 100$ to their names. Its a very poor county and a majority of its citizens operate on state and federal assistance.
The people who could afford to leave have left. Flints population has been reduced dramatically in the last decade
[+]Nerdinater スコアが基準値未満のコメント-23ポイント-22ポイント-21ポイント 1時間前 (16子コメント)
I used to live in Edmonton and when there was no work at all I packed a backpack, had 87 dollars to my name and hitch hiked to Calgary and stayed in shelters and such when I got there.
8 years later I have a 2 bedroom house payed off and a job earning 24 dollars an hour. You gotta do what you gotta do man.
[–]Kansityshuffle 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
I understand your point of view, but did you have kids? Did you bring your parents who are disabled?
Like I said, most have left, the majority of people who continue to stay there are indigent and rely on the goverment to support themselves and their children.
Its not just the immediate area of flint either, nearly the entire right half of our state sans ann arbor, is tanking pretty hard.
Its undoubtedly been picked over by political hawks and bad trade deals. Its a sad story, for a once booming state
[–]TurtleMerchant 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 1時間前* (2子コメント)
Did you have any children with you? Were you caring for any elderly family? Any chance you were a 20 something healthy white guy in Canada? Where would they hike too? Low educated skill less people dont have very many options. People who could leave have for the most part.
[–]HealthyHotRunNAround [スコア非表示] 40分前 (0子コメント)
Good questions, he has no answer. I guess empathy is dead in this world.
[–]hadhad69 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 1時間前 (6子コメント)
How's a single mom with 3 kids under 5 gonna do that?
Your reality is not everyone's reality.
[+]Nerdinater スコアが基準値未満のコメント-21ポイント-20ポイント-19ポイント 1時間前 (5子コメント)
That is the moms problem. If you are in a position you cant properly support multiple children dont fuck loser men like a rabbit and pop them out into a world in which you cant provide for them.
Tought luck for the irresponsible horny moms who cant keep their flaps shut or at least simply take measures to prevent such a thing from happening.
[–]hadhad69 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Maybe the bread winning husband was killed on his way home from work.
But you're right, fuck them and let them die, not your problem.
[–]DuncanYoudaho [スコア非表示] 58分前 (0子コメント)
"I dreamed a dream in time gone by, when hopes were high and life worth living..."
[–]Ripple884 [スコア非表示] 28分前 (0子コメント)
If you can't explain how someone in that situation can just get up and move them your own advice is shitty
[–]MidwestMilo [スコア非表示] 20分前 (0子コメント)
Wow...I'm always amazed by how callous someone can be and how out of touch with reality some people really are.
No one is saying that you are outright wrong, but when you have been forced to build your life somewhere due to financial hardship and a lack of decent education, you really cannot just leave. As someone who has done some backpacking myself and worked freelance for 2 years around the Midwest...it's really not for everyone. Especially a whole family. There is the housing to worry about, problems with admitting children into new schools, having to find a new job if there isn't an extension or remote working for what you currently have, etc. Even if you only had one child- it's easier to care for children when you know what your working schedule is. There are so many factors that influence people's lives.
Ask yourself this. Think of literally all the people that you know. Your age, or younger, or older. Think about when they relocated. How many of them did extensive planning before they "just left"? And how many of them found that the new living situation brough a whole new set of challenges? And most importantly, how many of them were moving because they were forced to and not because they wanted to?
[–]rebelkitty 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
That's great when you are young and healthy and don't have any family who need you and/or depend on you. It also helps to have a decent education and no significant health issues, trauma, or disabilities holding you back. A publicly funded health care system. Oh, and being male and preferably white are also assets.
Women (for example) are less likely to view hitchhiking and staying in homeless shelters as viable options for improving their lot in life.
Not to take away from your accomplishments in any way, but some people have considerably more opportunity to do what they gotta do than others.
[+]The_lazy1s スコアが基準値未満のコメント-9ポイント-8ポイント-7ポイント 1時間前 (3子コメント)
Good for you. You should be proud of yourself.you didn't let excuses get in the way of what's best for you. Maybe some people here are really good a making excuses to do nothing. Family sick or not.. You can get away if your motivated. Govt assistance works everywhere.
[+]Nerdinater スコアが基準値未満のコメント[スコア非表示] 56分前 (2子コメント)
You are the first person that has responded to me that was not only reasonable but correct as well.
[–]rebelkitty [スコア非表示] 35分前* (1子コメント)
Just because someone agrees with you, that doesn't mean they are correct. Gov't assistance does not work the same way everywhere. Nor can it always be accessed easily. There are often residency requirements. And you have to have enough basic education to navigate the new welfare system, which may or may not resemble the old one, in the state you left behind.
The US educational system is... highly variable. In some places people graduate barely able to read or do basic sums, and if they still want to learn a trade, they end up being exploited by predatory for-profit colleges, which then lands them ever further in a debt situation they have no idea how to handle (see: education, lack of).
I think you underestimate how much of a starting advantage you've enjoyed simply being Canadian. You rarely have to worry about health care. You've got a decent education. Access to social services is comparatively streamlined. Your crime rate is lower. There's more social mobility and less racial conflict (assuming you aren't Native).
You started off with some big advantages in life, compared to the poorest of Americans. Ideally, that should make you more compassionate to those who haven't been as lucky as you, not less. Just because you were able to make good, does not mean everyone else who failed are "losers", "irresponsible" or "unmotivated".
(Edit: Typo. :p)
[–]Nerdinater [スコア非表示] 23分前 (0子コメント)
I have a grade 10 education and lived in an apartment with bed bugs. I could not find a job in the city I was in because of economic crysis. I had less than a hundred dollars, 4 shirts, 2 pairs of underwear, 3 pairs of pants and 7 boxes of granola bars.
I picked up walked 11 hours to the trans Canada highway, walked towards Calgary trying to hitch hike. After 5 hours of walking got picked up and said I am heading for Calgary.
Got to the city and ended up staying in a homeless shelter for 9 months while doing the stand on a street cornor in downtown to get picked up for general labour. 8 years later after working my ass off to nearly the top in a shitty company I now have a nice little 2 bedroom house payed off and make 24 dollars an hour.
So dont give me that advantages in life because Canadian and white bullshit with me.
And also just to let you know for natives they get vastly more benefits than any other in Canada. When you get your status card you are pretty much set and dont really have to worry about anything.
[–]rederic 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 1時間前 (4子コメント)
Are you volunteering to pay the expenses and help find jobs so people can just pick up their families and leave?
[+]Nerdinater スコアが基準値未満のコメント-9ポイント-8ポイント-7ポイント 1時間前 (3子コメント)
Why would I do the work for them? That is their responsibility. Something that I took on myself years ago. Why would I do that very thing and work hard only to pay for someone else to get a free ride?
[–]rederic 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (2子コメント)
That's what I thought. Shut the fuck up.
[–]WeepingAngelTears [スコア非表示] 54分前 (1子コメント)
So unless someone is willing to pay for things you think they shouldn't be able to give logical advice? Solid debating skills.
[–]rederic [スコア非表示] 50分前 (0子コメント)
Relocating families is costly. "Abandon your home without a plan nor the means to live elsewhere" isn't logical advice. It may have worked for you, but that doesn't mean everybody else is retarded.
[–]krankie [スコア非表示] 18分前 (0子コメント)
It's a valid question, and a lot of people do leave. But only those who can feasibly do so. I am a former Flint resident, and it isn't that easy for a lot of people. When you're poor, you are stuck in a cycle of poorness. In other economies, you have a better chance of climbing out of that spiral. However, not in Flint. The closest thing they have are their families, and they don't want to leave them behind. So they are all in it together, being poor together, and a lot of them will eventually succumb to their environment. Older residents suffer from malnutrition and sometimes die in the cold winter months. Younger residents often get involved with crime and are shot to death. The number of young black males between 18 and 30 who have been to jail or prison will surprise you. Once you have a criminal record, your chances of finding employment in depressed city are very low, which keeps you poor and increases the likelihood to turn to crime. The cost of living in Flint is also among the lowest in the nation. That also perpetuates a lifestyle of poorness. For example, my apartment rent in Flint back in college (a few years ago) was only $325 a month including heat. Houses sell for $0 to $15,000 on average. So you could have two people working full time retail jobs and be able to afford a house and keep the lights on. But once you have that overhead, it's hard to make changes and just up and move. A lot of people just walk away from their house when they are done with it, instead of trying to sell it. Typically the residents that leave (like myself) are educated and white, which is a trend called "white flight" that has been happening in various waves since the 1960s.
[–]fuckdaraiders 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (2子コメント)
Let them eat cake...
You wear your ignorance like armor.
[+]Nerdinater スコアが基準値未満のコメント-9ポイント-8ポイント-7ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
If telling it like it is and sounding off logic then I am the most ignorant prick on Reddit.
[–]ADF01FALKEN [スコア非表示] 40分前 (0子コメント)
At least you have the courage to admit it.
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