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[–]RocketsPeaky_Blinder_Tommy 293ポイント294ポイント  (183子コメント)

Things Kawhi Leonard would never do... So glad he won a second DPOY over this thug.

[–][CHI] Jimmy ButlerHighCatLover 156ポイント157ポイント  (23子コメント)

From what I've seen I have never seen Kawhi do anything remotely as dirty. I am so glad he got it over Draymond

[–]Spursdrivin12 143ポイント144ポイント  (6子コメント)

I hate Draymond as much as anyone, but this sounds straight outta /r/nbacirclejerk

[–]WarriorsvtITguy 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

I honestly cannot tell if people are trolling in this thread.

[–]Charlotte HornetsWake_up_donnie 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is reddit so it will be nothing but circle jerk meme city when talking about things.

But him using the word thug....seriously fucking dumb.

[–]thehumangenius23 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

am I the only one that sees Beasley holding on to green's left arm as well? they're both fighting, it was very physical but you don't call it cause most of it happened after the clock hit 0.

if it wasn't the last play of the game this would definitely get called a foul on green though.

[–]andyweir 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was holding on cuz if he didn't then he was gonna catch that Stunner. I saw Draymond press the buttons to save that finisher before they set up for the inbound

[–]TimberwolvesMrRashdi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know, but he has a point. Both of them play elite defense, but if one of them doesn't resort to dirty plays, wouldn't you pick him above the other? I mean it's not rocket(hehe) science.

[–]SpursChaoticReality 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

From a rockets fan too. You know it's bad when

[–]HornetsHello_Dawl 57ポイント58ポイント  (46子コメント)

Yo man... Thug? Dick, bitchass, cocksucker, jackass. Why thug?

[–]Maverickspitchesandthrows 46ポイント47ポイント  (3子コメント)

You know why.

[–][LAL] Kobe BryantiBangTurtles 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Is it because he looks like young thug?

[–][GSW] Kelenna Azubuikebobalou27 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Totally

[–][SAS] Kawhi LeonardIDreamer -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

its because of the implication

[–]Rocketsmoistbaguette 45ポイント46ポイント  (7子コメント)

People can't say 'thug' anymore? That's retarded.

Andrew Bogut is a thug.

[–]RocketsPeaky_Blinder_Tommy 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

Amen.

I mean. Aaron Hernandez is probably the biggest thug in sports. Not black.

[–]HornetsHello_Dawl -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Alright but isn't it really weird to call ball players thugs at all? Unless they're like actual criminals or violent. And some of them are but Raymond isn't much of a bad dude outside of basketball

[–]Rocketsmoistbaguette 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

This was a violent play, reminiscent of a thug.

[–]RocketsPeaky_Blinder_Tommy 48ポイント49ポイント  (18子コメント)

Kawhi Leonard is a black player with corn rows, and he is not a thug. This is not about race.

I'm not caving to this political correctness bullshit.

[–]Trust The Processrobfs 8ポイント9ポイント  (9子コメント)

I mean ... in recent years "thug" has become a coded way to say the n-word for people who want to say it but don't want to deal with the consequences. I don't think you meant it that way at all, but if people get a little squirrelly around you when you say thug, that's what's going on.

[–]WizardsDorokin240 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Who made it that code word?

[–]Trust The Processrobfs 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's just kind of happened man. It's basically the uglier side of that one scene from The League. Hell you can see people joking about those kind of dog whistle words in threads that are on the frontpage of /r/nba. It's one of those things that once you hear you can't unhear.

[–]Heat Bandwagonqubi 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

yall are fine with calling the grizzlies a goon squad but god forbid you call a player a thug

[–]Trust The Processrobfs -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well yeah that's how different words work. Nobody would bat an eyelash if you called a player smart, but call him articulate and suddenly it sounds like you're saying something else. Like it or not, the word thug has been used as a racially charged epithet in the past few years, so it's picked up that connotation.

[–]j0kerLoL 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Smart and articulate don't mean the same thing at all.

[–]Heat Bandwagonqubi 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

ive never heard of thug being synonymous with a racial slur. glad /r/nba can keep me up on word trends

[–]Trust The Processrobfs 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not a slur per se. It's more of a dog whistle word that people use to be racist-without-being-RACIST if you catch my meaning, which why I didn't think the parent comment had any ill intention. He seemed really put out by everyone piling on him for it, and honestly if it's not something you pay attention to, you might not realize why such a seemingly-innocuous word would set people off.

[–]Cavalierscbiesra -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Such a reddit comment lmao. You don't need to "cave" dog but people are gonna call you out when you say dumb shit

[–]Spursrockynante 26ポイント27ポイント  (5子コメント)

Are you stupid? Thug is not a racial slur. Quit looking for shit to be offended by.

[–]PelicansConsumedAM -5ポイント-4ポイント  (4子コメント)

it's the fact that you very rarely see it used with non black players that makes it such a trigger word.

Not to mention that it's just stupid to use a word that characterizes a person very nature based on his actions in the heat of competition

[–]j0kerLoL 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's used to describe hockey players all the time and there are very few black hockey players. And a player's actions in the heat of competition are what everyone fucking characterizes them by outside of a few outlier criminals.

[–]PelicansConsumedAM -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty sad that athletes have to be characterized that way purely by what they show in competition. I'd be against thug being used against anyone in sports regardless of race unless they were actually exhibiting some sort of criminal behavior or clearly trying to injure someone i.e Vontaze Burfict.

The hockey example is a good point, but they do actually have a license to violently fight one another in the middle of matches and some players clearly target others with the purpose of causing injury. So in the case of a guy like Brandon Meriweather who clearly tries to target and hurt people I get it, but not someone like Richard Sherman or Green who hasn't done anything to warrant that word being used other than having the perceived personality/characteristics of a thug.

[–]Spursrockynante 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

The nba is like 75% black. If it were a sport like baseball or hockey then you'd have a point, but not in fucking basketball that's dominated by blacks (yes I said black not African American is that offensive too?). And not only that, Draymond is a high profile player so he receives a ton more attention than some fucking backup point guard like Delly. I don't think Draymond is a thug, I reserve that kind of word for a guy like Ron Artest who really exhibited thug like behavior on off the court when he was younger. I don't think the OP was being malicious or has a hidden agenda either though.

[–]PelicansConsumedAM 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dang calm down dude. Even if the league is predominantly black, you still don't see that term used for players who exhibit the same behavior but aren't black. Delly last postseason received the same level of attention as a star in this league so I don't think that's a valid excuse. A lot of people were in his corner describing his play as scrappy as well.

[–]Warriorsacerv 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're right, no caving from you. Just cringey circle jerk comments.

[–]Cavalierscbiesra 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

People needa just leave thug out of their vocabulary when it comes to sports. Makes me wanna just ignore what you have to say.

[–]Rocketsdhighway61 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

thug

a violent person, especially a criminal.

a violent person

Sounds about right to me.

[–]Rocketsgwatson86 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (8子コメント)

Because "thug" is synonymous with violence. This was a violent play.

[–]RocketsVernon_Elie 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Let me guess. You're white. I'm a Houston fan but a black dude first, so as soon as I saw that word I cringed. Still hate Draymond though

[–]HeatSufferix 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're conditioned to this. It's not his fault, nor the word's fault, that you cringe when you hear thug.

[–]Hornetsdoorknobman -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't like Draymond either but fuck the word thug being used in sports in 2016. I'm sick of the thinly veiled racist shit.

[–][LAL] Kobe BryantiBangTurtles 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

What the does the word thug have to do about race?

[–]SpursTyranitator 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

American society has decided that when white people call a black person a thug, it is undoubtedly racist. So people are advised to use any other synonym. I don't feel any way about it, but that's the reality of it.

[–][LAL] Kobe BryantiBangTurtles 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've never connotated black with thug so I didn't really think twice about it.

[–][UTA] John Stocktonpoiuyzxcvb 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah man I didn't really think about it (lucky me, I didn't have to as a white dude) until I started seeing white fb friends and relatives posting about the police shooting unarmed black kids/men... and they were siding with the police by saying they were "no-good thugs anyway".

It's this insidious view so many people have about black men—that they're all dangerous, violent criminals. And the worst part is, unlike racism of the past, these people will deny they're racist until their last breath, and use any justification they can to explain it away.

It's the 21st centuries N-word. It shows we've made progress, but it shows we have a ways to go.

[–]SpursWangMangosteen -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

And what else does 'thug' connote?

We all know the tune your friend there was dog-whistlin'.

[–][SAS] Kawhi Leonardjimalloneword -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not a fan of Draymond, the Warriors, and especially not this play, but we should be beyond calling black players thugs. That's just ignorant.

[–]Steven AdamsWiggles420 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

When the fuck did thug become a racial thing....? It's an apt description. he's acting like a thug. Anyone from any race can be a thug...

Get a grip.

[–]HeatSufferix 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty sure mafia members were called thugs for decades before rappers tried to take up the mantle by associating that word (and goon, squad, mercs, whatever) in their raps.

[–]WizardsDorokin240 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol just because a collection of blogs on the internet deemed that word racist doesn't mean it is in real life.

[–]HeatNumber333 35ポイント36ポイント  (8子コメント)

lol, Draymond isn't a thug. This isn't great but it's not like he sucker-punched Beasley.

[–]HeatMiaCannons 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Why the downvotes? How in the world is Draymond a thug? Hoping the word wasn't used because he's black.

[–]Warriorsthat1nigerian 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not alot of black people on this sub. Don't understand the connotation..

[–]HeatMiaCannons 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm black and unfortunately I've often heard friends categorized as that word solely because of their color. It's frustrating.

[–]CelticsPepeSylvia11 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not agreeing or disagreeing with what he said but if I had to guess he was probably called a thug because he pretty much tackled someone to the ground. It's a dirty move

[–]Heat BandwagonTh3Greyhound -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'd assume because the term thug is usually related to violent actions, and Dray's tackle was very violent

[–]HeatMiaCannons 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thug is almost synonymous for criminal. I can see how people can call him dirty but he's no thug.

[–]Rocketsdhighway61 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

thug

a violent person, especially a criminal.

a violent person

Sounds about right to me.

[–][SAS] Sean Elliotttriforceofcourage 33ポイント34ポイント  (29子コメント)

thug

I hate Dray as much as the next red-blooded /r/nba-er but please don't call him a thug like that, very loaded word

[–]Celtics Bandwagonkiddo51 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

Brute, maybe?

[–][CLE] Matthew DellavedovaRetMaestro 19ポイント20ポイント  (5子コメント)

Neanderthal, perhaps?

[–]RocketsLAVABURN 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Whoa man... why are you bringing Bogut into this?

[–][CLE] Matthew DellavedovaRetMaestro 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

The Olynk-esqe arm yank on Dwight.

It brought flashbacks to last year and K Love

[–]RocketsLAVABURN 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know man. I was joking cause you said Neanderthal and for the most part they are thought of as being white.

[–][LAC] J.J. RedickBlocker215 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aussie here, we are pretty much cave men. So you ain't wrong

[–]HeatSufferix 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can we just keep calling him Donkey, preferably with a Scottish accent.

[–]Spursrockynante 11ポイント12ポイント  (19子コメント)

What are you going on about? If someone makes it about race it's their issue. A word is just a word. I'm assuming that's what you're talking about here.

[–]toggl3d 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

The fact that you know it's a race thing means it's not just their issue. Everyone knows what thug means now.

[–]WizardsDorokin240 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

...because other people decided what the meaning of the month should be

[–]Spursrockynante 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yea but it wasn't a problem until /u/triforceofcourage pointed it out as a problem, thereby creating the problem himself, get what I mean? It's like walking on eggshells these days man, can't say anything without someone taking it as a jab even if it's innocent.

[–]Heat BandwagonCaptainKurls 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's a difference between identifying and denying that there is one in the first place.

[–]RocketsOldSpoiledMilk 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trigger words don't change what's in the dictionary. Bogut is also a thug, is that racist too? Everyone knows the dog whistle words, that doesn't mean that's how he was using it.

[–]Dwyane Wade3030threat 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

A word isn't just a word. Words have social context and a history behind them.

[–][SAS] Sean Elliotttriforceofcourage -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Words aren't just words though. Their connotation; their common usage and resultant perception are just as much a part of their practical meaning as the dictionary definition. I'm assuming dude didn't necessarily mean it like that, but still, seemed unnecessary, that's all. Just wanted to share my point of view.

[–]Spursrockynante -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Idk man seems like you're digging a bit too deep into it. Maybe it's because I'm not black but I really don't see any racial connotations to the word. I know that it's been used that way in the past but /r/nba is pretty insulated from that.

[–]nilbog44 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

thanks for the lecture Mr. Hall Monitor. We need more people policing language and pointing out why every single thing on the fucking planet is offensive. Good work

[–]Trust The Processmiamiflashfan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

black people make up 13% of the population yet commit 55% of all the murders in the United States. Every major city's murder and violent crime rate is represented by blacks outrageously out of proportion to the population. What are you talking about?

From your post history. Boy I wonder why people find it offensive when people like you use racially loaded words. How the fuck do you even enjoy the NBA?

[–]Cavaliershittasondeck -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

Words matter though. Why call him a thug there? People who should be called Thugs are pretty specific. I'd be hell of offended if you called me a thug just because you don't like me. Thug is a loaded word. Just because it make everyone uncomfortable and people want to ignore that there have been racial ties to word doesn't mean they aren't there.

[–][TOR] Alvin WilliamsMyManD 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Bogut is equally thuggish. Is it still loaded in this context?

British soccer hooligans have been referred to as thugs for decades. How about then? Is it still loaded?

My Vietnamese cousin is a wannabe drug dealer who's a piece of shit. I call him a thug all the time. Am I being racist here?

[–]Cavaliershittasondeck 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Never said anyone was being racist actually. Thug is a loaded word. I wouldn't call Bogut or Draymond Green a thug. I've never read any soccer journalism referring to players as thugs and I'm an avid follower, so it probably isn't all that common now. I don't know your cousin, so call him what you please. It's a loaded word. I wouldn't suggest calling guys thugs because of dirty plays in pick-up if you were thinking about it.

[–][TOR] Alvin WilliamsMyManD 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I've been using thug as an insult most of my life against people and players who are violent, as is the definition of the word.

I'm just peeved that it was only in the last year or two that suddenly this word that's a part of my every day vernacular has suddenly become "loaded".

[–]Cavaliershittasondeck 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The word has changed. With the climate in America it really isn't the best to use the word anymore. As a black kid growing I've always had a problem with it personally from it being associated with how I wanted to dress back then (baggie clothes, big jerseys, looking like AI). It's was harsh back then and it is way harsher now.

[–][TOR] Alvin WilliamsMyManD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It must be cultural. In Canada the baggy cloth put down is hoodlum or gangster. Thug, along with goon, is prevalent in hockey culture.

[–]Rocketsdhighway61 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

thug

a violent person, especially a criminal.

a violent person

Sounds about right to me.

[–][MIN] Kevin Garnettsarmatron 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A word doesn't necessarily lose an original meaning just because it gained a new one. Referring to dirty players in sports as thugs is a pretty established use of the word and it's not just immediately going to go away.

[–]Cavaliershittasondeck 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck Draymond. He isn't a thug though. Never has been.

[–]KingsGOTTA_GO_FAST -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

this shit really got upvoted 160 times smfh edit: up voted 260 times what the fuck is this. worst comment ive ever seen up voted on this sub

[–]LakersDead_to_Me -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here's an example of a white kid not knowing what Thug is.

[–]Hellas96 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thug? Jesus christ people are soft in this sub

[–]Warriors Bandwagonjimjames202 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're comparing Draymond to one of the most likeable players in nba history...c'mon man, that's low hanging fruit XD