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Drop The T From LGBT (thefederalist.com)

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[–]randomsfdude [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

It isn't LGBT anymore, it's LGBTQQIAAP

[–]TheBallsackIsBack [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

How on earth are asexexuals in need of representation. If you're asexual, literally no one has to know. Just carry on not being attracted to people

[–]hezzospike [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But then how could you cash in on that sweet sweet victim status?

[–]VTwinVaper [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Throw in semi-asexual ("I might want sex later, but not for today.") And you've got just about everybody.

[–]TheBallsackIsBack [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

For the last 4 months I've found myself completely uninterested in women for some reason. I have not the slightest inclination to adopt an asexual title and to ask that I be treated differently because of it. It's like being a bit different nowadays just has to have some stupid fucking title

[–]VTwinVaper [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And at this point it is bigotry of someone isn't allowed to name their new orientation or even gender.

[–]ConservativeGaymer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But how will you know how different I am to you if you don't know I'm asexual?

[–]Xan075### [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

And some think it should expand even further. That's the problem I have with equality of all opinions: there's nowhere to stop, and someone will always be disappointed.

[–]carlosanal [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Are you telling me you don't agree with lgbtqagsyevwnsjxuevebxhxyebsbxuehdbx? Shit lord

[–]bagleboy73 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

So your telling me that one day my two gay dogs can't marry a sandwich?

[–]Richard_Bolitho [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The real question is why both of your two gay dogs can't be the same sandwich.

[–]bronxbomber120 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

How did they find two Q words? I use the letter Q like 10 times in normal conversation and they find two sexual identities that start with the letter?

[–]PerkinshammerMillennial Conservative [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

It's queer and questioning

[–]bronxbomber120 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Isn't queer just a derogatory term for gay. Seems redundant

[–]PerkinshammerMillennial Conservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't fully understand it myself. I just know that's what the two q's stand for

[–]Hyperdrunk [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Queer is a catch-all for anyone who feels they fall outside the societal norms regarding gender and sexuality.

[–]DatGrass14 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Then the entire group can just be called queers.

Oh wait, they are.

[–]Gavin1123 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Trans activists paint the entire LGBT group in an unsympathetic light when they lobby for laws to criminalize such trivialities as misusing pronouns, as passed recently in New York City.

Apparently I missed this. Holy First Amendment violations, batman!

[–]conredditive [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

As long as the cultural left wants the T to be normalized, it doesn't matter if transgenderism or its associated disorders are psychological issues requiring treatment. They will demand acceptance by society and these few people will never get the help they need, and they will develop even more psychological issues they'll need to overcome.

(Apparently, the left really doesn't like the author of this article.)

[–]HoosieredBuckeye75 [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

Gay guy here, I agree with a lot of what this guy says. I've long been uncomfortable with being associated with the T.

That said, I wish more people on the right would look at this as a medical/psychological issue. A lot want to thump their bibles or just talk about this group of people with sheer scorn with no compassion or attempt to understand.

I come from a small town of about 1,800. Several years ago, a man who was fairly well-known in the community changed his gender. He had been married for 30 years and they had three kids. By all accounts successful and happy. Once the kids were graduated, he divorced his wife and did his thing. You can imagine the response from the community. Hateful, vile comments. It didn't matter who he was before. No one wanted to talk about why he would want to do it or how he felt being married for three decades. They just wanted to proclaim their disgust and talk about how he would be going to hell.

[–]AdmrHalsey [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

As a Christian conservative, I am appalled and disgusted by those who demonize transgendered individuals. I tend to agree with this author, that surgery should not be the default treatment. That said, I can't imagine people making themselves metaphoric lepers just for kicks. Conservatatives would do well to recall how we are called upon to treat those in need of help.

[–]HoosieredBuckeye75 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

When I first heard this guy had done this, the only thing I could wonder was what was going on his head that was so painful that the only way he could manage was to spend tens of thousands of dollars to put himself through the hormone therapy and physical mutilation required make this transition. And then there are the social aspects on top of that. I can't even imagine.

[–]RavvensHummingbird [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Surgery isn't the default treatment, HRT is. Many transgender women are non-op or only get FFS.

Source ~ I work with the trans community.

[–]NCSUGrad2012 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Fellow gay here, and I agree. I never really understood what being gay has to do with wanting to completely change your sex. However, that will never happe. They're always adding letters to the acronym (I've lost track at this point). We are also very in the monitory with that opinion as well. I just think they're separate issues.

[–]feedagreat [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Straight guy here. I always wondered why they had the T on there. In my opinion it was because gay rights has been so successful and they are just trying to piggyback the trans thing rather than make their own statement.

[–]stormbuilder [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I think the original LGBT was just bundled together because it represented all the non-heterosexual identities.

Then they started inventing all those nuanced variants and adding them to the acronym.

[–]feedagreat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think the most annoying part for me is when they use the whole phrase for the bathroom issue. It's strictly a trans issue and yet they have no problem roping the gay population into it.

[–]MoraleHazard [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I'm straight and religious and agree with you, but do think that for many, wanting to go through such a drastic change jars people so much, they don't know how to react to it.

I hold my ire for the medical community that has agreed with the T propaganda as a path of least resistance. There's zero justification for the doctors who cut off that guy's ears and nose so he could be a "transdragon." Those "doctors" should never practice medicine again.

[–]HoosieredBuckeye75 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

transdragon

Google's not giving me info. What's this?

[–]conredditive [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think it is a psychological issue. In the case you mention, I would feel sorry for that man because of the way the town treated him. I'm sure he was also dealing with a lot for which he was never treated or sought therapy.

But for the law and society, I think we accommodate too much just for the sake of not hurting someone's feelings rather than abiding by reason (and true conservative stances on the issues).

[–]skeltalsorcerer [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

Frankly I'd prefer not having us lumped in with the LGB, for entirely different reasons of course. I still don't get the people describing us as mentally ill - which we aren't- as even if that was true the treatment is still going to remain the same as that has worked far, far better than, say, therapy. I mean, no-one believes the idiots that claim to be pangender octopuses but the majority of trans people are less crazy tumblr and more normal, mentally-capable people.

It is true that a fair amount of measures being advocated for are radical, and a lot are pretty silly - like unisex toilets - but the movement is still pretty young. I urge fellow conservatives to wait and see rather than to assume it's all bad.

[–]HoosieredBuckeye75 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Are you open to answering some questions? If so, I think it'd really be beneficial for this community to get a more direct perspective.

[–]Ray_Dawg [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Do you have any sources on surgery being "far better than" therapy? I would like to compare it with those noted in this article that suggest surgery isn't the best option.

[–]skeltalsorcerer [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Not necessarily surgery. I don't have the figures on hand but a lot of trans people will take hormones only.

[–]Ray_Dawg [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'll look into the figures, but that's interesting. Thanks for the insight.

[–]a1b2o3r4t5 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

mentally ill

That carries a connotation that I agree should not apply to transgender people because in everything other than a very narrow context you are all perfectly mentally healthy... but what do you think of transgenderism? Is it a disorder/disease? I have loved ones with bipolar disorder and they don't get upset when you call it a disorder because they acknowledge that it is... is it a point of contention with you or other transgender people to consider it as such?

[–]skeltalsorcerer [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Generally the discomfort is considered to be a mental condition but being trans isn't.

[–]a1b2o3r4t5 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I see, thank you. Do you agree with that assessment?

[–]skeltalsorcerer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Probably. Then again I am not a psychiatrist or psychologist so it could be either for all I know.

[–]mswilsoMajor derp [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

No representation for Otherkin? Tsk tsk.

[–]a1b2o3r4t5 [スコア非表示]  (27子コメント)

Why? They are all likely psychological conditions. It's not classified as a disease because it causes no harm to those who have it (apart from the harm inflicted by others on them due to, ultimately, tribalism). A disease has to cause clear harm to those who have it, feeling as though you are the opposite sex to the one you're born as doesn't cause any clear harm to them (that is, apart from the bigotry of others it doesn't impair them in any way)

[–]unlurkftw#NeverTrump [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Well they don't cut off your legs if you have body dysmorphia...

[–]a1b2o3r4t5 [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

But that is classified as a disorder by the DSM-V (BDD: Body Dysmorphic Disorder)... which means they acknowledge that it is harmful and undesirable:

http://www2.hawaii.edu/~heiby/overheads_classification.html

[–]MoraleHazard [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

It's merely politics and paths of least resistance that causes the APA to classify wanting to cut off one's own leg as harmful and undesirable, but wanting to cut off one's own genitals as a healthy form of treatment.

[–]a1b2o3r4t5 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

No, because cutting off your legs demonstrably harms you and limits your potential. Surgically removing your penis and fashioning a vagina in place of it does not. The two are not the same thing at all.

[–]MoraleHazard [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Explain to me how cutting off a healthy organ and replacing it with a prosthetic is not the same as cutting off a limb and replacing it with a prosthetic.

Don't cite ~potential~, because a person mutilating their genitalia is cutting their potential for many things.

[–]a1b2o3r4t5 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Because one causes a harmful reduction in capability and the other does not.

[–]MoraleHazard [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

So, never being able to have kids, never being able to have sex as the gender you're born to, never being able to switch back without more and even less convincing surgery isn't a harmful reduction in capability?

Furthermore, what a transwoman is trying to become is impossible. That transwoman will have no ovaries, no uterus, no hormonal cycle, etc. That person will forever be a man taking hormones and utilizing a prosthetic to try to pass as the opposite gender. That person's genetic makeup will remain irrevocably male and all of the other bone and musculature differences that make men, men.

[–]a1b2o3r4t5 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

never being able to have sex as the gender you're born to

They don't care about that, they WANT that to be the case. It's intentional. A person with BDD doesn't WANT to be wheelchair bound, they are only willing to accept the consequence as a lesser of two evils (in their mind). That's the difference.

never being able to switch back without more and even less convincing surgery isn't a harmful reduction in capability?

No, it's not. By definition it is not. Non-transgender people don't have the capability to "switch back" either, because it doesn't apply.

Furthermore, what a transwoman is trying to become is impossible.

They are trying to be more comfortable in their own body, and while they might not ever be able to achieve 100% of the comfort a normal person has they can get closer than they are.

[–]MoraleHazard [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Both a BDD person and a transgender person are trying to be more comfortable, in their own mind, in their own body. As such, they replace healthy body parts with prosthetics in order to salve their delusions.

You just saying, "It's different," doesn't make it so. Both groups of people desperately want their realities to be different. But no matter how politically fashionable, one cannot rationalize away reality.

[–]HoosieredBuckeye75 [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

A disease has to cause clear harm to those who have it, feeling as though you are the opposite sex to the one you're born as doesn't cause any clear harm to them (that is, apart from the bigotry of others it doesn't impair them in any way)

Are you not considering psychological harm at all, or do you view the level of harm as insignificant?

[–]a1b2o3r4t5 [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Can you give me an example of the psychological harm that is innately caused by the condition rather than by the reaction to the condition by others?

[–]appleswag96 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

The suicide rate of transgenders rivals that of jews living under Nazis ocupation. It's an extraordinarily high rate.

[–]a1b2o3r4t5 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

...and would this be true if it weren't for how other people treat them because of it (or, how they fear they are looked down on because of it).

I think to be called a disease it has to harm the person directly, in it's own right, not through some indirect avenue like that.

[–]appleswag96 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I don't think the treatment of transgenders comes any where near to the treatment of Jews living under Nazis ocupation. But I do see your point.

[–]a1b2o3r4t5 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Agreed. I'm not so much arguing anything here as I am attempting to justify the fact that it's not classified as a disease...

[–]kwantsu-dudes [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But that's how mental disorders are defined. It's when one has a poor ability to function in "ordinary life". That's up to society to decide. So anytime you arent the "norm", you have a mental disorder. That's by definition. It's an idiotic definition, but the one that exists.

If we all had anxiety, would it be a disorder? If we all had whatever, it wouldn't be a disorder.

It's all connected to society. So I don't see why or how you can try to remove it.

[–]HoosieredBuckeye75 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

At the moment, no, but I've never experienced anything like this. I can relate my own experiences, but I don't think it'd be a valid comparison.

[–]a1b2o3r4t5 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

The only thing I can think of is that there might be some stress caused by feeling you were born "wrong" until you get surgery to change your parts...

[–]MannPayorthIngWynn [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Actually, it causes severe depression and anxiety in most individuals, and is often present with other disorders. Not only that, but getting the surgery actually increases the rate of suicides, and even in those who don't kill themselves extreme regret over the procedure is most common.

[–]a1b2o3r4t5 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If that's all true do you know why it's not classified as a disease? It's like bipolar or schizophrenia (or the one where you eat your own hair and/or skin) most likely, except those clearly harm the person so they are called diseases...

[–]TheBallsackIsBack [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I'd say getting your dick cut off is pretty harmful

[–]a1b2o3r4t5 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Not when it's not only voluntary but sought after...

[–]TheBallsackIsBack [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because surely no one ever regretted making that decision /s

People get ill advised tattoos all the time. They wake up one day and go, man what was I thinking. Imagine having that same thought, except you mutilated your genitals instead of getting a butterfly on your ass

[–]MoraleHazard [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Wanting to mutilate one's own body IS harm.

[–]a1b2o3r4t5 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

No it's not. You used the loaded word "mutilate" disingenuously here... we each have autonomy over our own body, they WANT to modify it, that's not harm.

[–]weetchexLibertarian Conservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is the only time I've seen anyone other than Milo talking about this and thought it was just one of his personal talking points.

Really hoping this becomes a thing now.

[–]ConservativeGaymer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I wish the T+ would be dropped, fuck the T's, they aren't gay, their rights should be a seperate issue altogether.

[–]orygunmane [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Perhaps those who favor gay marriage do not want any part of enabling pedophiles in wigs having easier access to kids in bathrooms.

SO, in a hypothetical world, there is a pedophile in a wig. Let's assume there is a law prohibits trans people from using the bathroom of their choice. Is the pedophile with the wig going to say, "I would try and sexually assault this kid in the woman's bathroom, but I am man and I cannot go in that bathroom, even though this wig makes me look like a woman." Simply put, is the citation for using the wrong bathroom going to prevent the child rapist from committing additional crimes?

Now let's assume there is a law on the books that allows a pedophile with a wig to use the bathroom of their choice. Is the pedophile with a wig going to enter the women's bathroom to sexually assault a child, commit the crime, and then somehow defend himself based on the idea that he was legally allowed to use that bathroom? If he was a male, and he entered the men's bathroom to sexually assault a young boy, would he have some legal defense to his crime because he was in the bathroom assigned to his gender?

[–]asdfjlk55 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

As an "L" I agree that there's a huge difference between LGB vs. T. But we do have a big commonality: we've all experienced discrimination, and unlike racial or religious discrimination, much of it is endorsed by the state.

I know there are legitimate concerns with some aspects of T rights like people having to share bathrooms and locker rooms, but why can't we all have a little compassion and just use common sense? A guy in a wig being a perv should be prosecuted. A person who was born female but has been living as a man for years and just wants to live life shouldn't. Pretty simple.

[–]CaptainObvious1906 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

A guy in a wig being a perv should be prosecuted. A person who was born female but has been living as a man for years and just wants to live life shouldn't. Pretty simple.

Playing devil's advocate here. I think the issue is the guy in the wig and the person born female are indistinguishable to the law.

[–]Ray_Dawg [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Not only to law, but to everyone else as well. Recall from some months earlier the incident of the woman at Planet Fitness who found a transgender male in the locker room. You don't know each person's whole life story, you just see their sex.

[–]sams_eager_alias [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

There was a point when homosexuality was considered a mental illness. Now it's accepted as ok and the microscope is turning to transgender.

Can the way someone chooses to live their lives out, mental illness or otherwise, not be anybody's business but theirs? As long as they're not harming anyone?

[–]IBYMBYBMYL [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Ah yes, Walt Heyer, the asshurt idiot that was misdiagnosed and has been on a tear ever since just because he had a shitty doctor.