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How would I bill this post? An insider's version of the metaverse from someone directly involved in nearly every aspect of it - from someone who has disconnected himself, who is now on the outside looking in.

Edit: It seems this post has essentially been coopted by petty drama and personal misgivings. That was never my intention - my intention was to comment on the interactions and dynamics of the metaverse, and how it truly functioned. If anyone has any questions concerning that, feel free to ask them.

Before I get into the body of this post, I should mention that I've long been a mortal enemy of /r/undelete, and vice versa. So it's not exactly an easy decision for me to post this here. In fact, I still disagree with the reactionary, conspiracy-centric line of thinking that's prevalent here. But under all the bullshit, there's a small grain of truth, and it's that grain of truth I intend to reveal here.
Over the past few months, I've disengaged entirely from the metaverse. This was the culmination of a long line of events which ultimately led to my removal from /r/news, from various meta subs, my departure from IRC, and my disavowment of the entire meta community.
Quite simply, it was fatigue. I was tired of playing politics. Tired of dealing with personal vendettas, agendas, and misdirected self-interest. Tired of dealing with what is essentially a constant barrage of bullshit from all sides, from overgrown children with no real-life experience who watched too much House of Cards and decided to pretend that they're a more autistic version Kevin Spacey.
Since then, I've drawn back my participation in meta reddit and focused largely on my hobbies and interests. I've drawn back my moderator actions to cultivating the communities and subjects I care about, mostly technology and international politics/global affairs. It's a huge weight off my chest, and although I wouldn't trade my time in the metaverse for anything, I would absolutely never, ever go back.

At my peak of involvement in reddit, I was completely and totally enmeshed. I'm not innocent in the same sort of petty politicking and vendetta-driven behavior I decry above. In fact, I was a perpetrator of it. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed playing politics, rising to the top, and whipping the votes to push my personal pet projects and gain support for my agendas and resolutions. And boy, everyone else did, too.
My personal realization came slowly to me, and it wasn't just one side that drove me to disengage from the metaverse. It was everything. It was the reactionary conspiracies and anti-moderator sentiment that is perpetrated here, and it was the petty politicking and agendas that is perpetrated inside the metaverse.
I've always been outspoken about how much I dislike the sort of ideology and behavior that's perpetrated in subs like /r/undelete and /r/conspiracy, but as a result of my involvement in the metaverse, I chose to selectively ignore parallel ideology and behavior that was perpetrated from people from the opposite side of the metaverse.
But I'm gone now, and sort of like a disgruntled ex-employee who takes to social media to tell all about his shitty employer, I'm ready to reveal anything you want to know about what happens inside the metaverse - from someone who was there, who had his ear to the ground on everything from the inner workings of modtalk to the politics of drama subreddits who poked fun at everyone.

I'm intimately familiar with the modteam of SRD, and how it arrived at its current state. I'm familiar with my good friends over at /r/drama, and how it came to be as a response to the failings of SRD. I'm familiar with modtalk, the dynamic of interaction between power moderators, and its alliances and enemies. I'm familiar with the internal workings of snoonet, and how the politics of modtalk and power moderators directly affect policy there. I'm generally familiar with the admins, their interactions with moderators and users, and the trends in their siterunning that affect how reddit functions and deals with issues. I'm familiar with how a moderator thinks, how a moderator acts, and the general trends that go on within the metasphere on all sides.
I consider myself fairly nuanced, although I'm not perfect. So /r/undelete users and current metaverse users, don't take this to be me "turning to the dark side" and spreading malicious bullshit about things that didn't happen from a perspective disconnected from reality. I'm going to be completely truthful, and I won't mince words to appeal to any crowd, be it conspiracy theorists or metaversians.
Now, I really hate to use this phrase, but ask me anything.

Some FAQs and general preemptive responses:
Q: How would you summarize your thoughts on reddit - from undelete to the metaverse to default subreddits?
A: Reddit is, quite simply, a bunch of people competing to push their own ideology. Default users have a sort of collective ideology, which changes as often as the tide. Conspiracy theorists are a disparate group who are united by their sense of victimhood and persecution - they all think they're being targeted, and they all think the people targeting them are [X group I disagree with]. And reddit moderators are basically the U.S. Congress in a nutshell: everyone has their own agenda and their own ideas to push, and they're all competing - with each other and with the outside world - to push them.
Q: You say everyone is competing to push their agenda. Do you think this is a bad thing? Moreover, do you think all moderators are bad or malicious?
A: Absolutely not. I think it's an annoying thing, which is why I left. I think it's a childish thing, and it ultimately doesn't serve the common good. But I think having an agenda or attempting to push an ideology isn't bad. Everyone has an agenda; everyone wants to push their ideology. Many moderators truly are looking out for the greater good, and most want to see this site be a better place. But they're all part of the same system, and it's the system that is dysfunctional. It's a system built on pettiness and politicking.
Q: You were a moderator of /r/news after it became a default subreddit until your removal mid last year. What is your legitimate, truthful reaction to the high-profile cases that arose during that time?
A: The one that comes to mind is RT. I was fully supportive of banning RT. It's state-run media, and the operational doctrine of /r/news was always to highlight objectivity and a general sense of truth over bias, reactionary pieces, and unqualified opinion. So RT had to go, and it was long overdue. But we completely botched our response to this. Yes, a moderator on the /r/news team had cursory proof that RT was spamming - that wasn't just a convenient lie to push the issue. Trust me, nobody was afraid to ban shitty sources. There was some underlying sentiment that RT had to go because of its use as part of a large propaganda machine, but ultimately the announcement was made because a moderator thought he caught RT spamming. Now, this was the wrong way to go about it. We should've just avoided the issue altogether and said "RT is banned because it sucks," instead of relying on the goodwill of the userbase not to default to their retarded conspiracy-mode and assume the stated reason was just a lie. In the midst of all this, mods responded poorly, goaded on users, and just generally fucked it up - and I did, too, I contributed in a major way to the botching of this response. But despite the reason and response, RT is gone, and the world is a slightly better place.
Q: What is your general opinion of modtalk, whether it be the subreddit or the IRC channel?
A: Mods are people too. No, seriously, 90 percent of all conversation is talk about what we did that day, what shows we were watching at the moment, who we support for president, what the weather is like, and general shit like that. There's nothing particularly malicious about modtalk, or about the concept of the channel itself. But again, it existed in a system of stupid politicking and agenda-driven dialogue, so all of this existed under a backdrop of alliances, coalitions, friends, enemies, and politics. But modtalk - and the people in it - are normal people.
I'll add more as I think of them.
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[–]DaneelR 27 points28 points29 points  (29 children)
RT is gone, and the world is a slightly better place.
Right, because CNN is not propaganda.
Altogether, you've said nothing interesting nor important / new. Fuck off already.
[–]BipolarBear0[S] -9 points-8 points-7 points  (28 children)
CNN isn't propaganda, it's just totally shitty.
[–]AssuredlyAThrowAwayworldnews&conspiracy emeritus 8 points9 points10 points  (23 children)
Amber Lyon has said CNNi took money to censor a report on Bahrain. Your thoughts?
[–]bicska 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
executive pushback in journalism to the extent that major stories gets censored on behalf of shareholders.
so if we change "shareholders" with "politicians" is that really different?
[–]BipolarBear0[S] -2 points-1 points0 points  (21 children)
I believe her to some extent. I think there have been many instances of executive pushback in journalism to the extent that major stories gets censored on behalf of shareholders.
That being said, I'm not knowledgeable about the Amber Lyon story, so I can't really say one way or another until I've explored it and all the facts.
[–]AssuredlyAThrowAwayworldnews&conspiracy emeritus 3 points4 points5 points  (20 children)
We should interview her.
She emails with me.
We could probably put on a good show actually.
[–]BipolarBear0[S] 1 point2 points3 points  (18 children)
Listen, I still think you suck and you're crazy, but I love the fall-out you had with Flytape, and although I really, really don't want to invite the comparison, I think we can find some common ground.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend, after all. And between you and the huge, flaming ball of crazy that is Flytape's existence, I think it's clear who's who.
We could do something like a Crossfire format. Two opposing ideologies interview major figures.
[–]Flytape 7 points8 points9 points  (8 children)
For a flaming ball of crazy I sure don't waste my time manning alt accounts to troll the subs you used to control. Nor do I run and seek legal advice because people on the internet said not nice things about my uber reddit handle.
There are a lot of crazy people in the world BPB, think of all the christian people that have crazy ideas and beliefs... At the end of the day the only ones who are thought about as 'crazies" are the ones who actually do crazy things like westboro baptist church. Or you know... make a bunch of antisemitic cartoons and post them of subs they don't like, like you did.
Have fun quitting reddit, for all that you did to try and ruin me and my subs, I outlived you.
kind regards,
Flytape
[–]BipolarBear0[S] -2 points-1 points0 points  (7 children)
Oh, I'm not quitting reddit. Also lol at your presence in this thread just to insist "I'm not crazy!"
[–]Flytape 5 points6 points7 points  (6 children)
Oh i'm confident that i'm crazy. I'm just not the kind of crazy that acts out.
My presence here was just to let you know that you're the reddit user equivalent of westboro baptist church.
Its weird how you can respond to me when you have me blocked.
speaking of those antisemitic cartoons you posted.
here is another gem of yours
Oh, I'm not quitting reddit
my mistake, reddit clearly quit you first.
[–]BipolarBear0[S] comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (5 children)
That was a comicized form of IRC logs wherein people were mocking actual holocaust deniers like you.
Of course, I'm pretty sure our years-long conflict has been resolved with your final admission that you're crazy. Thank you so much.
[–]AssuredlyAThrowAwayworldnews&conspiracy emeritus 0 points1 point2 points  (8 children)
Ah, you noticed that fall out huh?
Got a little ugly.
We could do something like a Crossfire format. Two opposing ideologies interview major figures.
Im terrified and tempted at the thought of what this could become.
[–]BipolarBear0[S] -1 points0 points1 point  (7 children)
I basically had hourly updates.
[–]AssuredlyAThrowAwayworldnews&conspiracy emeritus -1 points0 points1 point  (6 children)
He tried to start something up again today with me lol but one of his senior mods shut that down. It's always funny when people engage in selective moderation and get caught, don't you think?
[–]BipolarBear0[S] -2 points-1 points0 points  (5 children)
I feel like that was a subtle jab at me but even if you hate my moderation, I did things consistently across the board.
[–]ShellOilNigeria 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
CNN may not be pure propaganda, but they certainly take part in distributing U.S. government propaganda.
was an information operation of the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) that was launched in early 2002 by then-Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs Victoria Clarke.[1] The goal of the operation is "to spread the administrations's talking points on Iraq by briefing retired commanders for network and cable television appearances," where they have been presented as independent analysts;[2] Bryan Whitman, a Pentagon spokesman, said the Pentagon's intent is to keep the American people informed about the so-called War on Terrorism by providing prominent military analysts with factual information and frequent, direct access to key military officials.[3][4] The Times article suggests that the analysts had undisclosed financial conflicts of interest and were given special access as a reward for promoting the administration's point of view.

Here is Bush being interviewed about it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sITmVizv6X4&feature=youtu.be

Here is an article about it -
The Pentagon military analyst program was revealed in David Barstow's Pulitzer Prize winning report appearing April 20, 2008 on the front page of the New York Times and titled Behind TV Analysts, Pentagon’s Hidden Hand
The Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld covert propaganda program was launched in early 2002 by then-Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs Victoria Clarke. The idea was to recruit "key influentials" to help sell a wary public on "a possible Iraq invasion." Former NBC military analyst Kenneth Allard called the effort "psyops on steroids." [1] Eight thousand pages of the documents relative to the Pentagon military analyst program were made available by the Pentagon in PDF format online May 6, 2008 at this website: http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/milanalysts/

Here is the Pulitzer Prize winning article about it -
Records and interviews show how the Bush administration has used its control over access and information in an effort to transform the analysts into a kind of media Trojan horse — an instrument intended to shape terrorism coverage from inside the major TV and radio networks.


Here is a snippet speaking about detainee treatment at Gitmo :
Fox and Friends 6/26/2005
Command Sargent Major Steven Greer
"What we have done to "consistently ensure human treatment" is amazing"
CNN 6/27/2005
Major General Donald. W. Shepperd
Gitmo "bears no resemblance" to how it is portrayed in the press. The guards are dedicated and doing "an extremely tough job" with dangerous detainees.
(There are many more examples from CNN in anyone wants to read the documents/files/transcripts that I linked above.)
[–]TheGhostOfDusty 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
All that evidence vs. this pure libel that they resorted to to justify banning RT.com:
Notice how they tried to hide it.
[–]ShellOilNigeria 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
What is the story with you and Restore the Fourth?
[–]BipolarBear0[S] -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
I initially became involved about a day after the PRISM story broke. Someone made a comment in AskReddit, which led to the creation of the RT4 subreddit. A group of users from the subreddit started organizing on IRC (snoonet) right after the sub was created, and as an admin of snoonet, I saw when this channel was created (all new channel registrations pop up in a server channel).
My initial intention in joining RT4 was to sort of serve as a representative of snoonet and encourage them to organize on our platform. I was a community manager, so I wanted to promote that sort of thing and maintain the network for a variety of communities. I initially helped out with the few people who seemed to sort of emerge as "central organizers" - I offered them network services so they could do their job easier, and basically offered the full support of Snoonet for their activism.
But as I helped out as a member of Snoonet, I became more interested in the cause of RT4. I'm a left-libertarian, so it appealed to my advocacy of civil liberties, which I thought slipped in a major way after the PATRIOT Act. I decided to offer my involvement not as a staff member of Snoonet, but as a general member of the cause - we wanted to ultimately organize a wave of protests and bring to light the issues of dragnet surveillance under the NSA.
So the guys who sort of served as facilitators for organizing RT4 welcomed my involvement. I was familiar with the platform of IRC, and I was committed to the activist idea of RT4, so I slowly became more involved - started setting up townhall-style meetings, got some solid plans of action set in stone, etc. Eventually we got a bunch of people on board, and our nightly meetings would be attended by hundreds of people who were committed to civil liberties.
Once things got in motion and we started setting up actual plans of actions and a sort of organizational structure, we held democratic-style elections within these townhalls for "national organizers." Everyone pretty much universally nominated me for this position, since I was so involved and facilitated a lot of the action that we collectively took. It was me and around four or five other people from the original group that had been on IRC organizing since the very beginning.
Things started going south when people from outside of our townhalls and outside of RT4 wanted to get involved. We were facing an issue of manpower at this time - all of us were putting in 40-50 hour weeks organizing RT4 on top of our jobs and regular responsibilities - so we welcomed these newcomers who volunteeted to help out.
Among them were people with a fair bit of expertise in activism and general organization/business. Little did we know, a lot of these people were less interested in supporting the 4th amendment and bringing light to dragnet NSA surveillance, and more interested in pushing their own agendas under the guise of civil liberties.
I personally contributed in a major way to this co-opting, and it's a regret of mine. Since we were so short-staffed with volunteers, I extended an offer of involvement to some people I trusted and had worked with outside of RT4. Among them was the top news mod, douglasmacarthur.
He was definitely a divisive figure. His participation caused a lot of conflict. He started pushing for certain issues which the group didn't agree with, and started setting the path of RT4 more away from its message of grassroots activism and towards other, unrelated issues.
Honestly, I think he was in it for the power. I never realized this until after the whole thing was said and done, but in hindsight, it's very obvious. Doug was/is a Randian conservative. And if you listened to news media at the time, hardline conservatives weren't exactly opposed to dragnet government surveillance - in fact, many supported it. He said he was supportive of the cause, but history disagrees.
Aside from a few internal conflicts, mostly among various local organizers who wanted to accomplish different things, as well as a weird conflict between two people competing for the nominal "press organizer" title, things went off without much of a hitch and we accomplished our initial goal, which was to hold a wave of protests across the country. We had maybe 50,000 people attend in 110 different areas (across like 40 different states), and achieved major media coverage. This brought a lot of press to our cause, and we were satisfied with bringing mass attention to the issue of dragnet surveillance and slipping civil liberties.
After the protests, we were sort of aimless, but the general consensus was that we'd form an actual 501(c)3 civil liberties organization. This went to shit quickly, though. Instead of everyone coming together to support this cause and form a lasting organization, it devolved into basically petty politics over who would hold control over the central organization, and how it would be structured.
Myself and the other original organizers were really fatigued at this point, and since we got involved for activism, none of us wanted to put up with the politics bullshit.
We participated a bit before calling it quits. I was pushing for a vertical structure, sort of similar to other orgs like the EFF and the ACLU. My good friend and another guy involved since the beginning, Yelnoc, was pushing for a horizontal structure that would distribute power among local organizers. Either way, our efforts were quickly defeated by people who were only in it to pursue power.
Five of us from the very beginning were still around at the end of the protests. After the political squabbles, we all resigned at the same time. It was pointless.
Yelnoc moved on to local activism. I focused more on my career and supported various social causes. Douglas stayed involved after securing his position at the top. RT4 continued on, but it wasn't really what it had been in the beginning. Its spirit that we all felt initially was pretty much gone, and we figured it was best to cut our losses.
[–]hypnozooid 2 points3 points4 points  (7 children)
How much influence do the reddit admins have over the mod decisions in default (and other large) subreddits? I know the official stance is that they don't interfere unless one of the global rules is being broken, but do they (directly or indirectly) still have some amount of control over what happens? How much?
[–]BipolarBear0[S] 0 points1 point2 points  (5 children)
Very little influence, if any at all.
Actually, they do have some influence. But this is less a function of "we're the admins, we carry the big stick, listen to us" and more that the admins have befriended various mods, or various mods will go out of their way to defend the admins at any costs - I think certain parts of the internet call this cuckolding - so this in some sense influences subreddit policy, but mostly due to mods on the subreddit itself who have an interest in pushing the admins' agenda, not from the admins themselves.
I think the admins are slowly exerting more control over various functions of the site, but not stuff that fundamentally affects discussion, just more reasserting their sense of power and their ruleset. I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing, either, but it is certainly annoying. For example recently in /r/anonymous, due to an influx of retards for various reasons, we changed the CSS to a furry theme. It was pretty funny, but an admin came in and reverted it saying it "broke functionality," which pissed everyone off.
[–]NinjaNetizen 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
not to be pedantic and such, but they reverted it back to the furry theme after we used the /r/ooerintensifies CSS theme because otherwise said retards "cant modmail us."
[–]BipolarBear0[S] 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Oh yeah, that's right.
I always knew the admins w2ere furry fans.
[–]CloudTheWolf 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
That's why they always unban me.
AYY LMAOOOO
[–]OnSpeakerCrab 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
Very little influence, if any at all.
Good to see you are still a fucking liar.
[–]BipolarBear0[S] 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I'm speaking directly about my experiences inside the metasphere as a mod. The admins have always held very little influence over the mods, except with those they've buddied up with.
If you don't like the things I say, that's fine, but don't get so very, very angry about it.
[–]dudeareyoufuckingser -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
This post is the epitomization of a "limited hangout" complete with substanceless bullshit like denigration of "conspiracy theorists" as purveyors of singular ideology and methodology and sufferers of some kind of made-up "victimization complex", also known as being the victim of a crime.
The NSA is watching everyone, all of the time. They watch through your cellular microphones, cameras, and read every single bit of data that you send. They can break an undetermined amount of encryption. They target political protest and assist the DHS in snuffing it out, like they did with Occupy.
This conspiracy is evinced. Similarly, journalists like Michael Hastings are executed and supposedly free forums for public discourse are infiltrated by vast PR teams that manipulate all discussion away from the substantive. There is ample evidence for both of these conspiracies as well.
The reasoning for the Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan and Syria wars have all been almost complete fabrication. This conspiracy relies on the tacit acceptance of the mainstream media.
What issue does BipolarBear0, involved in fake accounts and years of authoritarian, sociopathic behaviour have with conspiracy theories? Well, he has been party to many conspiracies to target individual users and groups on reddit.
And something is important enough for him to try to distract undelete over the holiday.
[–]Br00ce 13 points14 points15 points  (17 children)
this post was seriously lacking in juicy details
whats your relationship with the top minds folks?
[–]TheGhostOfDusty 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
Great question. Notice how he danced around it.
Ask him about his "Runescape" themed alt and how steamed up he is about "Deadman Mode".
[–]BipolarBear0[S] -4 points-3 points-2 points  (13 children)
I typed up an overview of my relationship with them a year or two back, but that's a bit outdated.
Basically the timeline:
I call out their racism >>> They get pissed >>> Accuse me of being a Jew (spot on) >>> ban me >>> I start participating in conspiratard and generally making fun of them >>> They get even more pissed >>> I start moderating a few fairly large subs >>> Now I'm a shill and a Jew
[–]Br00ce 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
whats your current relationship tho, like are you apart of the top mind institute or any of that?
[–]BipolarBear0[S] -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
Graduating class of 2012, highest honors.
I now work for Top Minds Inc., protecting the internet from shills and Jewish people.
[–]AssuredlyAThrowAwayworldnews&conspiracy emeritus 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Can confirm. I trained him.
[–]RithyH 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
God damn it. I am two post deep in this thread and you are already talking about antisemitism.
[–]BipolarBear0[S] -2 points-1 points0 points  (2 children)
Someone asked me about my relationship with /r/conspiracy. That relationship is deeply intertwined with their anti-Semitism. So yes, when someone asks me a question about something, I'll respond appropriately - that's how an AMA works.
[–]Gimmie_A_Dollar 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
That is a BS generalization. Some people in r/conspiracy have those views but not all. You mention in your intial post about doing the same things you dislaike. Why would you genralize an entire sub? It is wrong no? I do not generalized an entire race,religion or group of people based on a few, that is ignorant and counter productive.
[–]RithyH 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Just saying there's a pattern.
[–]loveit45 -3 points-2 points-1 points  (5 children)
My bet is you are another alt of /u/flytape. More manufactured drama.
Hi Elgin Air Force Base!
[–]TheGhostOfDusty -1 points0 points1 point  (4 children)
Elgin
Why do you insist on repeatedly misspelling it, new guy?
[–]loveit45 -3 points-2 points-1 points  (3 children)
Answer:
You are /u/flytape.
[–]frozengold83 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
Do you have any evidence of that? What reason do you have for believing that?
[–]loveit45 -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
TMOR is a terrible Psy Op /u/flytape. You should stop running that subreddit under your many alts.
[–]frozengold83 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
What the fuck are you talking about?
[–]dudeareyoufuckingser -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
You guys want a real conspiracy besides the 2000 supreme court awarding of the election without relying upon or setting precedent, the false justification for wars in five countries, a patriot act that suspends the fourth amendment, media narratives of constant lies and bullshit, an economic depression that was addressed by stealing billions of dollars from taxpayers and funding banks (wasn't the FDIC supposed to function the other way around?), the rise of a vast surveillance and police state, and complete lack of congressional representation of any consituent who is not wealthy?
Merry fucking Thanksgiving, folks. Fuck BipolarBear0, karmanaut, AATA, Flytape and all you other dickgirls fuckers. Anyone who has paid attention to the site for the last three years has seen post after post of rational user providing full explication with documentation of what absolute authoritarian, childish Nimrods you are. Go spend some time with your fucking Condé Nast, multimedia PR families and be thankful that you aren't yet facing the consequences of your actions, because the ramifications of your delusive bullshit are sure to be felt everywhere. Assholes.
[–]AssuredlyAThrowAwayworldnews&conspiracy emeritus 19 points20 points21 points  (22 children)
Edit:
Okay, the post isn't all that stupid; I was just being a dick to him for the hell of it. He does deserve better, and at least should be given a forum to tell his story

This is the stupidest, and most unnecessarily superfluous post, I have ever seen.
You didn't say anything mate.
RT wasn't the issue, motherjones and salon were the issue.
You didn't mention how you ran rt4 while also banning all "NSA" stories from /r/news and forcing them into the much smaller /r/inthenews.
You didn't mention your /u/interrogatorbunny account.
You didn't mention /u/european88 (who you interacted with).
You didn't mention trying to sue reddit to get them to doxx /u/ghostofdusty.
You didn't mention being the only person who has ever tried to launch a libel lawsuit against someone who criticized you.
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[–]TheGhostOfDusty 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
You didn't mention your /u/interrogatorbunny account.
You didn't mention trying to sue reddit to get them to doxx /u/ghostofdusty. [sic]
You didn't mention being the only person who has ever tried to launch a libel lawsuit against someone who criticized you.
[–]BipolarBear0[S] -1 points0 points1 point  (18 children)
This is an AMA, so the point is to ask questions - I don't say things preemptively.
Want answers? Ask questions. Individually, please, I can only address so much bullshit at once.
[–]AssuredlyAThrowAwayworldnews&conspiracy emeritus 5 points6 points7 points  (17 children)
My question is; as the line between anonymity and personal relationships begins to blur, where does the actual center of power on reddit rest?
Is it in the loose and fast IRL networking between mods and admins?
Do you think Justin Basset and Alexis Ohanian had a friendship predating Justin joining the company?
Does that type of friendship perhaps typify the type of collusion that pervades throughout the top of meta reddit?
As to the history of your behavior, I would prefer if someone else took you to task on that. Perhaps /u/carrollquigley will share all of his screenshots from that time you ran rt4 but banned all NSA stories from /r/news with douglas.
[–]BipolarBear0[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points  (16 children)
I'll address your last point first, because I've never been a fan of purposely spreading inaccuracies:
  • I didn't ban all NSA stories from /r/news, and in fact, /r/news in general didn't ban all NSA stories. This is empirically provable by the fact that you can literally type the words NSA into any search bar, select "limit my search to /r/news," and see dozens of not hundreds of posts with thousands of upvotes on the NSA. So really, I'm not sure where this line came from, but apparently it's completely made up.

Onto the main point: There really is no center of power, but just like U.S. politics, there are multiple opposing camps.
This is what conspiracy theorists get wrong. Nobody is ever cohesive enough or gives enough of a shit to form a single, monolithic power structure. They're all too interested in pursuing their own self interests. But you do get a harmful and toxic dynamic when they organize their interests into groups, and fight against people who disagree with those interests.
To address the spirit of your question, the general streak of the mod universe through my joining up until my departure was generally pro-social justice. It called for rapid liberalization of moderator policies as reddit expanded, and this line of thinking largely won out over all the others. Of course, you had a few prominent trendsetters who would push this agenda, which eventually led to its victory.
Also, I don't know who Justin Basset is. But in a sense yes, people are absolutely modded to places because they're friends with other mods, or removed from places because they're enemies. Just like in American politics, mod votes will get blockaded because [X guy] doesn't like someone, and subreddit sharing happens frequently because of friendships. They'll tell you it's based on merit, but it's really just that people mod the people they know to all of their subreddits.
[–]AssuredlyAThrowAwayworldnews&conspiracy emeritus 6 points7 points8 points  (15 children)
Also, I don't know who Justin Basset is.
Justin basset is an admin bpb. Not a mod. The spirit of that part of the question was the close interpersonal ties between admins and some mods.
the general streak of the mod universe through my joining up until my departure was generally pro-social justice.
That was true. It's changed since you've left. It's taken a hard turn against P.C. Principals.
I'm not sure where this line came from, but apparently it's completely made up.
It came from this, where there is proof that /r/news was trying to drive all NSA news during June 2013 to /r/inthenews.
We've talked about this before. First you lied and said you werent a mod when that policy was in place (you became a mod of /r/news in may 2013). Then you lied and said the submit button driving NSA stories to /r/inthenews was never there. That was also a lie.
[–]BipolarBear0[S] comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (14 children)
I didn't say Justin Basset was a mod, I said I don't know who he is.
And again, the fact that you can literally click on the search bar and look up all the NSA stories on /r/news proves that this is bullshit. What you're talking about is probably the move to push analysis, not NSA stories, into /r/inthenenews. This is connected to the NSA by the fact that basically the modteam decided all Firstlook stories fit the bill of analysis, thus a lot of original stories on the NSA were pushed to /r/news. And yes, the "no analysis allowed, all of it goes to /r/inthenews" rule was written before my time. But it was absolutely during my time that the modteam, led largely by a push from Doug, sought to direct all Firstlook stories to inthenews.
[–]AssuredlyAThrowAwayworldnews&conspiracy emeritus 4 points5 points6 points  (13 children)
That was a policy you set up on your sub directed at "all nsa/prism" stories.
Now, back to my original point; is the center of power on reddit the IRL networking between some mods and the reddit inc admins? Such as justin bassets friendship with alexis when justin was only a mod.
Justin is drunken_evonomist if you were still confused, bpb.
[–]BipolarBear0[S] -2 points-1 points0 points  (12 children)
If that button is true, and if it happened during my tenure on /r/news, then it was almost certainly up for all of five seconds due to a misguided and quite frankly fucking retarded move by Doug or someone else. I stand by the fact that I didn't do it, and didn't know about it. If I minced words earlier, that's because I was still concerned about pissing someone off and losing my modspot. But now I don't care, and I have nothing to lose over that.
And to the main point, no, the admins are basically just another competing camp in the ideological divide of the metaverse. They have some mods who champion their agenda wherever possible, but it's all done online, and it's overstated. Other ideologies and agendas are much more prevalent.
If DE was adminned because he knew Alexis in real life, then that just goes back to the whole nepotism thing that underscores all of the big subreddits and power moderators. People will give their friends mod spots and, in this case, jobs.
[–]cojoco 3 points4 points5 points  (9 children)
Can you explain the treatment meted out to the first outing of The Intercept, in which the main Glen Greenwald article was removed, and a shitty blogspam summary allowed to take its place?
[–]BipolarBear0[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points  (8 children)
A misguided adherence to the rules. A mod removed that post because of its opinion and analysis - what we didn't consider is that Greenwald's editorial style is heavily opinion-driven, and although it violated the rules in spirit, it was an original piece of investigative journalism which contained original content despite that.
Nobody wanted to own up to the fuck-up. I didn't, and neither did any of the other mods. We should have.
[–]AssuredlyAThrowAwayworldnews&conspiracy emeritus 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Okay, thanks for bringing the rt4 issue to rest.
Sorry if my tone was a little brash, I don't think your post was stupid. I'm sorry for saying that.
I think, although you glossed over a few things, you hit home on a lot of points regarding the way reddit's social groups operate and your perspective is a worthwhile one to bring to the table.
The downvotes on this post are unfortunate (perhaps because this is closer to ToR materials as it isn't a post directed at "outrage" per se.)
I am wondering how you feel ideologies come to power in the metasphere without the admins blessing?
[–]BipolarBear0[S] 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
It's self-perpetuating to some extent - the ideologies, that is. But basically you have mods with existing social views who come to power in whichever way and then proceed to use their position to further their ideologies. I've always felt that the admins are just glorified mods, who themselves are just glorified users. They wield a technical level of power over the site in theory, but really, all of them have their own (often conflicting) ideologies and they participate in the politicking just as much as anyone else.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points  (6 children)
Do you still get bovvered by dusty and the nlw crew
[–]BipolarBear0[S] -1 points0 points1 point  (5 children)
No, I've realized that they're legitimately mentally ill and should be ignored at all costs lest the mental illness spread from host to host.
They're actually remnants of the Digg Patriots, one of the original internet co-opting groups in the age of mass social media. I've had that whole crew on ignore for like a year now, but people still tell me they follow me around and comment on my shit.
[–]TheGhostOfDusty -1 points0 points1 point  (4 children)
They're actually remnants of the Digg Patriots
Lie.
[–][deleted]  (3 children)
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    [–]Ravelair 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    I assume this thread is still active: what can you tell us about the meta bans? For example /r/offmychest banning people for even a single comment in the problematic (love that word) subreddits?
    Am I right in thinking moderation like that hurts the site as a whole even further?
    [–]BipolarBear0[S] 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    I'm definitely of the opinion that bans like that hurt the site.
    It's an issue on two fronts: one, if you're banning people from participating in extremist subreddits (which have already been quarantined anyway), you need to make sure you don't catch normal people in the midst - since the only way to ban en masse is by script, which is ineffective and unwieldy.
    Two, if you're banning people for participation in not-extreme subreddits, the question is both "who are you to decide what constitutes a bad subreddit," and further, "are you just banning people from this subreddit over an ideological disagreement?"
    [–]ParanoidFactoid 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
    Man, the navel gazing self-referential bullshit never ends on Reddit.
    You know what you guys remind me of? China's Cultural Revolution. A policy enacted by Mao primarily to regain power over the Politburo after having been pushed aside due to the failure of the Great Leap Forward.
    He enticed the young to rebel against an old leadership he'd previously put in power, created chaos throughout society, demanding people self-criticize to regain their standing in society. Then, just as civil war was at its nadir zenith and the government collapsed, creating a power vacuum he filled, he squashed the youth rebellion by military force.
    Please consider. Who are the owners? Who are the admins? Who are the mods? And what is your relation to this political metaphor?
    Assholes.
    [–]cojoco 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
    nadir
    I think that word does not mean what you think it means.
    [–]ParanoidFactoid 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Yeah, not its lowest point but highest. Good catch.
    [–]GoMLism 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
    This is the most words I've ever seen put together to say essentially nothing at all and I've read /u/paradox's copy pastas
    [–]Paradox -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
    There are strange things done in the midnight sun
      By the men who moil for gold;
    The Arctic trails have their secret tales
      That would make your blood run cold;
    The Northern Lights have seen queer sights,
      But the queerest they ever did see
    Was that night on the marge of Lake Lebarge
      I cremated Sam McGee.
    
    Now Sam McGee was from Tennessee, where the cotton blooms and blows.
    Why he left his home in the South to roam 'round the Pole, God only knows.
    He was always cold, but the land of gold seemed to hold him like a spell;
    Though he'd often say in his homely way that "he'd sooner live in hell."
    
    On a Christmas Day we were mushing our way over the Dawson trail.
    Talk of your cold! through the parka's fold it stabbed like a driven nail.
    If our eyes we'd close, then the lashes froze till sometimes we couldn't see;
    It wasn't much fun, but the only one to whimper was Sam McGee.
    
    And that very night, as we lay packed tight in our robes beneath the snow,
    And the dogs were fed, and the stars o'erhead were dancing heel and toe,
    He turned to me, and "Cap," says he, "I'll cash in this trip, I guess;
    And if I do, I'm asking that you won't refuse my last request."
    
    Well, he seemed so low that I couldn't say no; then he says with a sort of moan:
    "It's the cursèd cold, and it's got right hold till I'm chilled clean through to the bone.
    Yet 'tain't being dead—it's my awful dread of the icy grave that pains;
    So I want you to swear that, foul or fair, you'll cremate my last remains."
    
    A pal's last need is a thing to heed, so I swore I would not fail;
    And we started on at the streak of dawn; but God! he looked ghastly pale.
    He crouched on the sleigh, and he raved all day of his home in Tennessee;
    And before nightfall a corpse was all that was left of Sam McGee.
    
    There wasn't a breath in that land of death, and I hurried, horror-driven,
    With a corpse half hid that I couldn't get rid, because of a promise given;
    It was lashed to the sleigh, and it seemed to say: "You may tax your brawn and brains,
    But you promised true, and it's up to you to cremate those last remains."
    
    Now a promise made is a debt unpaid, and the trail has its own stern code.
    In the days to come, though my lips were dumb, in my heart how I cursed that load.
    In the long, long night, by the lone firelight, while the huskies, round in a ring,
    Howled out their woes to the homeless snows— O God! how I loathed the thing.
    
    And every day that quiet clay seemed to heavy and heavier grow;
    And on I went, though the dogs were spent and the grub was getting low;
    The trail was bad, and I felt half mad, but I swore I would not give in;
    And I'd often sing to the hateful thing, and it hearkened with a grin.
    
    Till I came to the marge of Lake Lebarge, and a derelict there lay;
    It was jammed in the ice, but I saw in a trice it was called the "Alice May."
    And I looked at it, and I thought a bit, and I looked at my frozen chum;
    Then "Here," said I, with a sudden cry, "is my cre-ma-tor-eum."
    
    Some planks I tore from the cabin floor, and I lit the boiler fire;
    Some coal I found that was lying around, and I heaped the fuel higher;
    The flames just soared, and the furnace roared—such a blaze you seldom see;
    And I burrowed a hole in the glowing coal, and I stuffed in Sam McGee.
    
    Then I made a hike, for I didn't like to hear him sizzle so;
    And the heavens scowled, and the huskies howled, and the wind began to blow.
    It was icy cold, but the hot sweat rolled down my cheeks, and I don't know why;
    And the greasy smoke in an inky cloak went streaking down the sky.
    
    I do not know how long in the snow I wrestled with grisly fear;
    But the stars came out and they danced about ere again I ventured near;
    I was sick with dread, but I bravely said: "I'll just take a peep inside.
    I guess he's cooked, and it's time I looked"; ... then the door I opened wide.
    
    And there sat Sam, looking cool and calm, in the heart of the furnace roar;
    And he wore a smile you could see a mile, and he said: "Please close that door.
    It's fine in here, but I greatly fear you'll let in the cold and storm—
    Since I left Plumtree, down in Tennessee, it's the first time I've been warm."
    
    There are strange things done in the midnight sun
      By the men who moil for gold;
    The Arctic trails have their secret tales
      That would make your blood run cold;
    The Northern Lights have seen queer sights,
      But the queerest they ever did see
    Was that night on the marge of Lake Lebarge
      I cremated Sam McGee.
    
    [–]GoMLism 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    linux
    [–]Cleverly_Clearly 4 points5 points6 points  (39 children)
    So what did happen to SRD? What was with the big shift in political leanings?
    [–]BipolarBear0[S] 15 points16 points17 points  (37 children)
    Basically, you had an early "revival of SRD" after MF became very involved in the IRC channel, and subsequently sought a modspot. From here, Zeroshift left, and MF stayed as the top mod.
    Initially the intentions were good - portray drama in a non-agenda-driven, fairly objective way. None of the mods had any sort of ideology, at least that affected their moderation.
    But that changed a while back. MF must've had a change of heart and started moving ever slowly towards the SJW side of things - like I mentioned, he befriended stopscopiesme, and she definitely turned him towards this, which in turn made the subreddit the way it is today: a failed experiment in SJWism. This was self-reinforced by the modteam and by MF himself: the SRD modteam is essentially an incestual group of users whom MF and stopscopiesme have taken a liking to on IRC, those who share their social agendas and opinions.
    [–]AssuredlyAThrowAwayworldnews&conspiracy emeritus 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
    How does cupcake play into the srd fold?
    [–]BipolarBear0[S] 6 points7 points8 points  (2 children)
    Cupcake is a direct example of admin-moderator closeness. She was always buddy-buddy with the SRD mods, and I think this was probably as a result of the fact that they shared numerous social views. But then, most moderators loved cupcake for whatever reason - she was really effective at playing to the mods' circlejerks.
    There was even a private admin channel back in the day on snoonet - which I was never invited to, because I was openly critical of many admins and the various ways in which they sucked at their jobs, which they get paid an annual salary for - that was basically just for shit-shooting and discussion among admins and various power mods. I only know about it because people have mentioned it offhand, and as an admin of snoonet, I could see the channels everyone was in. It was something like #fabreddit.
    Cupcake definitely exerted some passive influence over the modteam of SRD just because they were so close. I don't know if that was ever realized in anything practical, but I think she always had that level of authority over there.
    [–]AssuredlyAThrowAwayworldnews&conspiracy emeritus 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
    She was officially on the SRD mod list for a while I think.
    [–]BipolarBear0[S] 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
    Yeah, that pretty much solidified the relationship in my mind. That was after she quit reddit that she was pretty much immediately modded to SRD, which suggested not only cohesion between the SRD mods and Cupcake, but direct communication between the two since they did it so fast.
    [–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK -12 points-11 points-10 points  (32 children)
    This is a comically wrong interpretation of the SRD modteam. Like, Scott-Norwood-shankopotamus-style false.
    [–]BipolarBear0[S] 21 points22 points23 points  (25 children)
    Here we have, in action, exactly what I've described. Your intentions to lie about the true nature of the modteam are a result of one of two things:
    • You're actively involved as a moderator on SRD, and thus don't want to offend top mods and compromise your mod spot
    • You're so enmeshed in the metasphere that there's an active denial of what's actually going on, or you refuse to acknowledge it
    [–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points  (24 children)
    You've created an impenetrable logic loop - "he's lying, just like I said!!" - so I'm not sure what I could gain from writing any more.
    [–]BipolarBear0[S] 8 points9 points10 points  (22 children)
    You're right, it is a fairly impenetrable logic loop. It's also a completely accurate logic loop. I've been involved in depth with the mods of SRD for literally years, since before MillenniumFalc0n ever had dreams of being a mod, since the sub had 50,000 subscribers. And now that I'm uninvolved, I have no reason to lie. But the agenda-driven degradation of SRD is very, very real. I witnessed it in action. I witnessed the creation of /r/drama and other subs as a reaction to this trend. None of it was pretty.
    [–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK comment score below threshold-18 points-17 points-16 points  (21 children)
    Ok, well, you're wrong, but at least you admit that it's pointless to argue with you.
    Good luck to you and yours.
    [–]BipolarBear0[S] 10 points11 points12 points  (20 children)
    "You're wrong" is a great argument. You say I'm wrong, and you disagree with the dynamic of SRD as I've described it, but your protests basically amount to "nah, that's not it." Taking a page from the Trump campaign.
    [–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK comment score below threshold-15 points-14 points-13 points  (19 children)
    K
    [–]Br00ce -1 points0 points1 point  (18 children)
    Why aren't you on irc anymore :(
    [–]kaalaaaa 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    I'm rarely agree with /u/TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK but /u/BipolarBear0 you should describe what exactly the mods have done to transfer SRD into the SJ-circlejerk it currently is.
    [–]stnkyfeet 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    It's accurate. Scopsies doesn't have enough self-awareness to see it.
    [–]sputnik02 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
    prove it boyo
    [–]CosmicKeys -1 points0 points1 point  (3 children)
    The state of SRD doesn't have much to do with the mod team. SRD used to look down on a raging SRS and reddit battling it out which provided some balance. The problem with SRD is reddit's decreasing political variance means the content isn't as varied.
    Maybe what he's saying had some relevance 1-2 years ago, but now the SRD mod team is a different beast now.
    [–]kaalaaaa 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
    SRD would be different if you wouldn't just ban all who dare to disagree.
    [–]Oxus007 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    A strong, heaving, sexual beast.
    [–]stopscopiesme comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points  (0 children)
    Maybe what he's saying had some relevance 1-2 years ago
    lolno
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    [–]geraldo42 7 points8 points9 points  (203 children)
    In your departure from the 'metaverse' you've gone out of your way to reveal personal information about several meta redditers that you used to call your friends. Do you regret this at all? I appreciate what you're saying but it seems somewhat hypocritical to claim you're drawing back and disengaging while simultaneously showing up to stir shit (shit that revolves around people's personal lives).
    Edit: when I refer to him stirring up shit i'm not talking about this post.
    [–]justcool393TotesMessenger+SnapshillBot Operator 2 points3 points4 points  (45 children)
    ...you've gone out of your way to reveal personal information about several meta redditers that you used to call your friends.
    I don't know if you are talking about this post (I'm not completely sure), but this seems like a really general post to be quite honest. Yeah it makes mentions of some specific subreddits, but it wasn't really identifying.
    [–]kaalaaaa 4 points5 points6 points  (24 children)
    Geraldo42 is referring to what BipolarBear0 said about stopcopiesme in /r/Drama.
    [–]hypnozooid 2 points3 points4 points  (12 children)
    That's what I thought of too. So I guess this means that's true?
    [–]ItsTyrrellYo 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    That she's a she? Yeah, she is, not that it matters
    [–]kaalaaaa 2 points3 points4 points  (10 children)
    Them deleting the posts kinda showed that it wasn't just a baseless rumor, but geraldo42 being pissed off about it proves it in my book.
    [–]hypnozooid 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    There are other, older, posts where various people use female pronouns, but I'm really curious about what the motivation is for doing something like that.
    [–]geraldo42 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    I'm not 'pissed' about it in the slightest. I actually think the drama that shit caused is quite amusing.
    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    The cabal works in mysterious ways
    [–]BipolarBear0[S] 4 points5 points6 points  (7 children)
    Oh, that's what he's talking about? The shit with fucking stopscopiesme?
    That's overplayed. Yes, I revealed to the world that despite the fact that she wants people to think she's a dude, she's actually a she. The whole concept is completely baseless and personal, which is why I'm so nonchalant about telling everyone that she's a she.
    What do I mean like that? It's not a trans issue. She isn't facing any issues with gender identity, and doesn't want people to think she's a dude because she's internally conflicted over her gender. She's absolutely not transitioning, or post-op. From what I can tell, she just woke up one day and said "I think I'll get people to think I'm a guy."
    Actually, I think one time she mentioned that it's because people "treat her better on the internet" if they think she's a guy. Which is the most dumbfuck reason for lying about your sex ever. And with someone who's so pro-SJW, you'd think she would be more aware of the fact that lying about her sex on the internet for no reason actually damages actual trans issues.
    [–]karmapolicex 2 points3 points4 points  (6 children)
    Yet you do the same thing with your age. Surprised no one has mentioned that you just graduated high school.
    [–]BipolarBear0[S] 2 points3 points4 points  (4 children)
    If by "high school" you mean "college," and by "just" you mean "six years ago," then yes.
    Learn to dox.
    [–]karmapolicex -1 points0 points1 point  (3 children)
    Sure, you can make up whatever you feel like.
    Except your age is kind of an open secret at this point, and has been for some time.
    lol at "dox". How do you think you lying about your age and "careers" is any different than stopscopies supposedly lying about gender?
    [–]BipolarBear0[S] 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
    So what you're saying is that it's an "open secret" that I "recently graduated high school," despite the fact that it's late November and I'm sure it's still the case that every high school has a graduating class at the beginning of summer?
    Christ, get your bullshit straight.
    [–]karmapolicex -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
    Sure. Infer that I meant "in the past few months" from the phrase "just graduated high school". I concede that as a recent graduate, you are an expert in when highschoolers graduate.
    Good job.
    [–]BipolarBear0[S] 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Or since I'm a normal human being who knows how basic social institutions function, maybe?
    [–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Is this true? Haha. People always say he's 'above 40'
    [–]geraldo42 1 point2 points3 points  (19 children)
    I'm not referring to this post at all. Maybe you should pay more attention to modmail and deletions in /drama.
    [–]justcool393TotesMessenger+SnapshillBot Operator 2 points3 points4 points  (18 children)
    deletions in /drama.
    The deletions in this subreddit are practically all spammed links with the only non-spam thing was me issuing a removal on my own post and some random person posting doxx.
    [–]geraldo42 0 points1 point2 points  (17 children)
    You seem to have missed a day.
    [–]justcool393TotesMessenger+SnapshillBot Operator 0 points1 point2 points  (16 children)
    Wouldn't put it past myself. I've been missing meta-drama for a while now and am only now starting to piece it together.
    [–]geraldo42 1 point2 points3 points  (15 children)
    Message me in #drama if you want the long and very juicy details.
    [–]justcool393TotesMessenger+SnapshillBot Operator 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    This makes it more clear. Thanks.
    [–]kaalaaaa 1 point2 points3 points  (12 children)
    I wised I could read this.
    [–]geraldo42 0 points1 point2 points  (9 children)
    It's really not very interesting if that makes you feel better.
    [–]hypnozooid 2 points3 points4 points  (8 children)
    The fact that it seems to be some sort of secret is making me really curious though.
    [–]BipolarBear0[S] 5 points6 points7 points  (152 children)
    Let's clarify this. You say "several metaredditors." I'm sure you're referring to JR, and that's a very special case - but pluralization is the bullshitter's folly, the first thing people do when they want to spread an agenda and misrepresent an issue is to pluralize it and make it seem like it's larger than it is or that it's happened more times than it has.
    No, I haven't revealed personal information about "several metaredditors." Even if you don't believe me, you know how this is provable? Because I haven't been shadowbanned. And trust me, I have a long history of conflict with the admins - they wouldn't hesitate to shadowban me given the chance. So don't pull that whole pluralization bullshit and make up things about how I've revealed personal information about multiple metaredditors. I haven't, because ultimately, I'm not a piece of shit.

    In regards to JR, I absolutely revealed delicate details about his life: on IRC, I revealed that he befriended and married an elderly, half-senile gay man, exploited him, and stole his estate and fortune upon his slow, likely painful death from cancer. JR expressed glee at the fact that he did this, so in true vigilante fashion, I decided to toss all common decency out the window and reveal this to the world at the apex of our conflict over /r/drama because I knew only a heartless, inhuman piece of shit would exploit an old man like that and express comfort and glee about it. I stand behind this fully.
    And you've perfectly expressed your willingness to bend the truth and make up bullshit to apparently protect your buddy JR and secure your modspot on /r/drama - this is the same sort of petty politicking I'm talking about in my post. Don't be a perpetrator.
    [–]geraldo42 6 points7 points8 points  (151 children)
    I shouldn't respond to this comment because I don't believe you made it in good faith. You know exactly what I am talking about and while your overly verbose sentences may mean something to others it doesn't change the fact that you showed up after months of absence solely to reveal personal information about a redditor you had a grudge against. Honestly, I don't give a shit. I don't particularly care about that redditor and the drama amused me but your whole attitude of "I don't care anymore i've over meta shit" just seems incredibly fake. People that don't care don't come back to reveal personal details revealed to them years ago in confidence.
    [–]TheGhostOfDusty 3 points4 points5 points  (15 children)
    you showed up after months of absence
    Psst, he's using an alt daily.
    [–]geraldo42 2 points3 points4 points  (14 children)
    I meant absence from /r/drama but pray tell what alt do you think he's using?
    [–]TheGhostOfDusty 1 point2 points3 points  (13 children)
    It's beyond - obvious. Notice how the two have never replied to one another despite the shared common obsessions with Jews, r/conspiracy, Runescape and metadrama.
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      [–]geraldo42 1 point2 points3 points  (8 children)
      I actually believed that for a second. I always wondered who /u/75000_Tokkull was but after closer inspection I can say i'm 98% sure they're not the same person.
      [–]TheGhostOfDusty 0 points1 point2 points  (7 children)
      What makes you so sure?
      [–]geraldo42 0 points1 point2 points  (6 children)
      I'm friends with bear on steam and tokkull has shown interest in games bear has literally never installed. I suppose it's possible he made another steam account just to hide those games but it seems pretty far fetched.
      [–]TheGhostOfDusty 0 points1 point2 points  (5 children)
      Meh. This loser has shown himself to be bizarrely dedicated to making his online footprint as convoluted as he can. He fake-doxxed himself on the chans.
      [–]Br00ce 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      bear likes me and tokkul doesnt, I dont think they are the same person
      [–]BipolarBear0[S] 0 points1 point2 points  (134 children)
      Overly verbose sentences
      I can talk lyke dis 2 nigga. let me repeat da sentence 2 u in this way. u r dum and r purposely saying stupid wrong shit 2 stir up shit and protect ur mod spot nd political interests
      Is that better? Because while verbose sentences may convey thoughts better, the thought is the same no matter how you put it.
      [–]geraldo42 1 point2 points3 points  (133 children)
      Hilarious. Also, the irony in the fact that i've been kicked from /drama twice now because JR felt I was supporting you . . . and now you're accusing me of being some kind of JR flunky . . . You really can't win with you fuckers. God forbid I hold an independent opinion.
      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
      It's ok I love you regardless
      [–]Belgiumbal 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
      I'll still hate Gerald no matter what side it picks.
      [–]CosmicKeys 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      it
      Brutal.
      [–]BipolarBear0[S] 4 points5 points6 points  (129 children)
      Everyone has been kicked from drama because JR thinks they're supporting me. He's reallllly defensive about people supporting me.
      But the whole JR thing, while being the final incident which caused me to leave the metaverse, is really an aside to the broader issue of the interactions and dynamics that happen throughout the metaverse. It's basically just a personal vendetta on both sides, and I didn't intend for this post to be about personal vendettas.
      [–]TwasIWhoShotJR 10 points11 points12 points  (115 children)
      It's basically just a personal vendetta on both sides,
      Try again.
      No one cares Bear. This post, and your behavior in general is just you desperately trying to look important.
      You can vomit all the personal information you want (and do!) and at the end of the day no one really cares. We all know it's just you wanting attention and trying to look like the time you wasted on Reddit was spent doing something important, or made you important.
      It wasn't, and you aren't.
      Yawn.
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      [–]BipolarBear0[S] 1 point2 points3 points  (103 children)
      So what you're telling me is that this super emotional and totally personal response to my comment isn't driven by vendetta?
      [–]TwasIWhoShotJR 3 points4 points5 points  (102 children)
      What "vendetta?" I wasn't even aware you had a vendetta against me, let alone me having one against you? Pretty self-important of you to assume so, but you've always suffered from a major case of unwarranted self-importance.
      Great post btw, but a few things are amiss. Like, you didn't really leave the metaverse so much as got booted. Which was also a really long time ago and you're still writing walls of text about it.
      Who is the emotional one?
      [–]BipolarBear0[S] -9 points-8 points-7 points  (101 children)
      You, it seems. This post was really intended to show an insider's perspective of the happenings of the metasphere. I should've predicted early on that this post would be Co-opted by people who care more about drama or have some sort of agenda to push instead of focusing on the actual post.
      [–]cojoco 0 points1 point2 points  (9 children)
      Hey, could you please mod me to /r/Drama so you can conspicuously not kick me out for liking BPB0, which I don't :D ?
      [–]TwasIWhoShotJR -1 points0 points1 point  (8 children)
      It'd be a pretty long mod list if we modded any rando who doesn't like Bear. Don't think there's a person left on Reddit that Bear hasn't pissed off in his never-ending quest to be the biggest attention whore ever.
      [–]cojoco 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
      But I really, really dislike him!
      Like lots!
      And I have lots of experience from modding /r/MildRedditDrama, another quality drama sub.
      [–]cojoco 0 points1 point2 points  (12 children)
      He's never kicked me out of drama because he believes I'm supporting you.
      [–]BipolarBear0[S] -2 points-1 points0 points  (10 children)
      That's because nobody could possibly think you supported me.
      [–]Br00ce 2 points3 points4 points  (6 children)
      well you did mod him to your own personal sub
      [–]cojoco 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
      I guess there was a time we were almost frenemies.
      [–]cojoco 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
      So it's not actually "everyone", but only "everyone that doesn't think you're a piece of shit" ?
      [–]BipolarBear0[S] -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
      Most people don't think I'm a piece of shit, but people like you - whom I've spent every moment on reddit laughing at and tearing apart because let's face it, it's hilarious - they hate me.
      And I don't blame you for hating me. Hell, basically all of our modmail interactions in anon were just me telling you how much you suck.
      [–]UncleSamuel-UncleSamuel 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
      Don't try to stir your own brand of bullshit in /u/BipolarBear0's shit stirring. It seems like I'm the only person on this website with out an agenda.
      [–]justcool393TotesMessenger+SnapshillBot Operator 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      You have the signature agenda. I feel like that isn't insignificant. It's a good one though.
      [–]geraldo42 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
      I have no idea what those sentences mean.
      [–]UncleSamuel-UncleSamuel -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
      [–]creq 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
      A: The one that comes to mind is RT. I was fully supportive of banning RT. It's state-run media, and the operational doctrine of /r/news was always to highlight objectivity and a general sense of truth over bias, reactionary pieces, and unqualified opinion. So RT had to go, and it was long overdue. But we completely botched our response to this. Yes, a moderator on the /r/news team had cursory proof that RT was spamming - that wasn't just a convenient lie to push the issue. Trust me, nobody was afraid to ban shitty sources. There was some underlying sentiment that RT had to go because of its use as part of a large propaganda machine, but ultimately the announcement was made because a moderator thought he caught RT spamming. Now, this was the wrong way to go about it. We should've just avoided the issue altogether and said "RT is banned because it sucks," instead of relying on the goodwill of the userbase not to default to their retarded conspiracy-mode and assume the stated reason was just a lie. In the midst of all this, mods responded poorly, goaded on users, and just generally fucked it up - and I did, too, I contributed in a major way to the botching of this response. But despite the reason and response, RT is gone, and the world is a slightly better place.
      You guys banned a shitload of stuff that didn't need it. I find this "AMA" misleading as best.
      [–]kaalaaaa 1 point2 points3 points  (43 children)
      • When you stepped down or were kicked from being snoonet staff, was it just about loosing #drama or a other disagreements with their policies as well?
      • You mod /r/anoymous as well as /r/dicks. What is or has been your involvement with this side?
      • How much of what geraldo said here about your relationship with discopig is true?
      • Is there any truth to conspiracy about certain admins being (too) close to certain moderators?
      I'm familiar with modtalk, the dynamic of interaction between power moderators, and its alliances and enemies.
      • What are the alliances is it more about being pro/anti "censorship" or SJ, or about who likes whom for whatever petty reason?
      • Do you feel any regret about how you acted towards valientpie or Cosmicwitch?
      I wanted to ask something about SRD but I can't think of a good question, hopefully someone else will do that.
      [–]geraldo42 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      How much of what geraldo said here[3] about your relationship with discopig is true?
      There was some level of tongue in cheek in that comment though I admit most of it was true. I wouldn't take it too seriously though.
      [–]justcool393TotesMessenger+SnapshillBot Operator 1 point2 points3 points  (14 children)
      I'm willing to bet it's creesch. I remember his name was mentioned when people were (publicly) complaining about none of the modtalk people doing anything with it.
      [–]justcool393TotesMessenger+SnapshillBot Operator 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      Well, I knew that.
      [–]kaalaaaa -1 points0 points1 point  (9 children)
      I know about two members of their "advisory board" (I always loved this fancy name) creesch and /u/nalixor, but I've been told there are more.
      [–]justcool393TotesMessenger+SnapshillBot Operator 0 points1 point2 points  (7 children)
      I think the problem with that was that the advisory board got way too bogged down, and that's what is causing approval times to skyrocket.
      I assume they'd use a bot to verify the 25k before doing anything though.
      [–]kaalaaaa -1 points0 points1 point  (6 children)
      I'm not allowed in, so that makes me kinda sad, but I'm also just generally interested.
      [–]justcool393TotesMessenger+SnapshillBot Operator 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
      I haven't been accepted in yet either (read: initiated), so I'm not sure the type of content that gets posted. Although, I assume the discussions are interesting.
      Or as interesting as a discussion about moderating a subreddit can be.
      [–]_lilPoundcake 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
      it's pretty boring tbh.
      the most eventful thing recently was me and /u/aphoenix talking about gif-making.
      [–]aphoenix 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      That was pretty exciting though.
      [–]kaalaaaa 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
      I asked about you, your application to /r/modtalk was denied.
      [–]IMissSplashyPants 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      It's really quite boring and one sided for the most part.
      At this point r/modtalk is almost entirely those on board with censorship and those that aren't are afraid to speak up for fear of getting ejected there and elsewhere.
      [–]BipolarBear0[S] 3 points4 points5 points  (4 children)
      You mod /r/anonymous as well as /r/dicks. What is or has been your involvement with this side?
      I think I was modded to dicks as a joke. It's basically just a subreddit where people post pictures of their dicks because they think people want to see that sort of shit.
      In regards to /r/anonymous, I mentioned this elsewhere: initially I was invited to mod /r/anonymous because I think they were attempting to create as trolly a modmail as possible. I hated modmail jerks like dickgirls so I was initially averse to this, but it has been my experience that the mods of /r/anonymous may be the only truly enlightened and self-aware individuals on this site. They're basically the spirit of the original anon, before it became co-opted just like reddit by douches who want to push their agenda and kids who want to feel like they're part of a super cool hacker organization.
      [–]kaalaaaa 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
      I was curious if you knew people like teridax and so on before you became active on reddit, but I guess you didn't.
      [–]BipolarBear0[S] 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
      I actually met Teridax through IRC, we were both in the #subredditdrama IRC channel at the same time. That's where I got my start on IRC, and subsequently the metaverse. So did MillenniumFalc0n, actually - we came on at around the same time.
      Shame he turned SRD to shit, but you know.
      [–]BipolarBear0[S] 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      Is there any truth to conspiracy about certain admins being (too) close to certain moderators?
      Absolutely. I went into detail in another comment, but basically some mods will support the admins and suck their dicks whenever they get the chance. And this is really how the admins exert their power, basically just because of moderators who will push their agenda on their behalf. I don't know if the admins want them to do it, or if they validate it, but it definitely happens.
      [–]BipolarBear0[S] 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
      How much of what geraldo said here about your relationship with discopig is true
      Pretty much completely accurate. Basically, my interactions discopig were the same as my interactions with you. For most of my involvement in the IRC channel, I de facto opped it and in a totally misguided sense of grandeur and self-fellating, treated the channel's cast of colorful trolls with the same dynamic as the one on The Wire between Herc & Carver and the street kids from Barksdale's crew. You guys would stir shit up and act a fool, and I'd put my foot down, but ultimately it was lighthearted.
      [–]GoMLism 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      Herc and Carver didn't abandon us street kids.
      [–]BipolarBear0[S] 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
      What are the alliances is it more about being pro/anti "censorship" or SJ, or about who likes whom for whatever petty reason?
      Censorship is a loaded word (although some mods definitely love censorship at all costs), so that's probably why you put it in quotations, but the overarching issue is definitely different camps re: being pro or anti-stringent moderation (AKA "censorship") and pro or anti-social justice. And of course, stringent moderation and social justice are the biggest dividing issues among moderators.
      Note that social justice is an ideological concept, not some buzzword used to beat down people who disagree with an agenda, so in a broad sense it was moderators in support of more liberal and socialized moderation policies, and moderators who tended to remain more conservative and supported the opposite.
      There were definitely petty conflicts about who likes who, too, but those weren't really issues as much as the different ideological camps.
      [–]kaalaaaa 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
      There were definitely petty conflicts about who likes who, too, but those weren't really issues as much as the different ideological camps.
      I assumed it would be the other way around, so that's kinda interesting.
      [–]BipolarBear0[S] -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
      Do you feel any regret about how you acted towards ValiantPie or Cosmicwitch?
      I don't know who cosmicwitch is, but re: ValiantPie, no. He's a shithead, and numerous people who've interacted with him can confirm - dude's got a simultaneous death wish and persecution complex and he'll basically jump down anyone's throat at any time for any reason, because he I guess enjoys arguing with people. Of course, he managed to very effectively exercise his sense of persecution and convinced everyone that he was, in fact, being constantly persecuted.
      Here's an example of this effect in action: one time he was ranting for like 10 minutes to nobody at all in #reddit about how circumcision is evil. Me and Paradox obviously jumped on him for this and said "you know circumcision really isn't murder and forced mutilation like you say it is," which sparked a whole argument about fucking circumcision that eventually culminated in him saying that we tried to get him to kill himself or something. It was ridiculous.
      If I could change one thing about my interactions with him, I'd probably take the higher ground and not engage in petty bullshit. But then, I love arguments too, and I could never pass up on engaging him, to a fault.
      [–]kaalaaaa -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
      I confused Cosmicwitch with Darkprincess. My bad.
      On the topic of ValiantPie, I nowadays somewhat agree, his level of involvement on some issues is unreal.
      [–]BipolarBear0[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points  (7 children)
      When you stepped down or were kicked from being snoonet staff, was it just about loosing #drama or a other disagreements with their policies as well?
      Losing #drama was the inciting event that caused me to say "fuck it" and quit, but that whole debacle just represented everything that was wrong about snoonet.
      Imagine the stupid bullshit and petty politicking that goes on every day on various modteams and all across reddit. Now imagine the type of person that becomes an admin of an IRC network: autistic, low-functioning, shitty at communication, with no idea how real businesses function. Snoonet was the agenda and politics of reddit to the nth degree. It was basically like Lord of the Flies, except instead of kids you had manchildren. It was the U.S. Congress, except instead of proper, semi-intelligent agendas drafted by public policy officials, you had half-assed resolutions and agendas drafted by dudes who gravitated between hiring female staff members just to sexually harass them and shutting down whole channels because someone was mean to them.
      [–]geraldo42 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
      Can you go in to more detail about the "shutting down whole channels because someone was mean to them." bit? I can think of a few off my head and certainly several channels that were formed to get away from paradox and rdv were shut down but i'd like some juicy details.
      [–]BipolarBear0[S] 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      I'd never talk badly about Paradox. He trolls a lot, and does a lot of stuff that pisses people off, but it's all in the name of humor. Unlike other admins, he's not malicious.
      The two major incidents I can think of were when rdv shuttered that #reddit offshoot because they were mean to him, or the whole drama with the #drugs channels. Basically, they decided to move off-network without telling us, which pissed off a lot of people and so the admins forcibly shuttered all of the drug chans.
      [–]large_butt 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
      Imagine the stupid bullshit and petty politicking that goes on every day on various modteams and all across reddit.
      There's definitely no way I could do this.
      [–]BipolarBear0[S] -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
      Lol, long time no see. Still holding things down?
      When the admins forced us to take away the link to the site at the top of UkrainianConflict, I mounted a pretty good argument, but it mostly consisted of me yelling at the guy they sent to do it. I still think that was bullshit.
      [–]large_butt 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      Still holding things down! I'd even go so far as to say picking things up, or perhaps even moving them from side to side.
      Most of my involvement with stuff related to the GOOD OLD DAYS is doing a monthly drive-by to remove targets of opportunity and then occasionally writing entirely too many words about missiles or radar.
      ...so it hasn't actually changed a whole lot, actually?
       
       
       
       
       
      ps if you and /u/AssuredlyAThrowAway actually do that thing let me know and prepare your best bird vape mask
      [–]GoMLism 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
      Didn't you shut down a channel because you didn't like darkprincess?
      [–]BipolarBear0[S] -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
      No.
      [–]BipolarBear0[S] -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
      I believe creesch does. It's him and probably redtaboo and a few others, but ultimately he's the big boss in charge of all that approval shit for modtalk.
      [–]Br00ce 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      reds an admin now so I doubt she still runs it
      [–]IMissSplashyPants 1 point2 points3 points  (7 children)
      Welcome to retirement, as someone who went through a similar process from the other side as it were.
      Very similar feelings here, I have similar feelings with my own exit. Looking back it was a mostly unproductive burden. There was enjoyment to be had, but I'm done as well. Reddit has just gone too far from what originally drew me to the place.
      I enjoy Voat still, but it's a much smaller less drama filled place that reminds me more of Reddit during the good times than Reddit has for years.
      Good luck with whatever comes next.
      [–][deleted]  (5 children)
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        [–]IMissSplashyPants 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
        That was my retirement, if you're going to leave, why not leave with a bang?
        有很多的頑固分子,他們是頑固專門學校畢業的。他們今天頑固,明天頑固,後天還是頑固。什麼叫頑固?固者硬也,頑者,今天、明天、後天都不進步之謂也。這樣的人,就叫做頑固分子。要使這樣的頑固分子聽我們的話,不是一件容易的事情。
        [–]kaalaaaa 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
        Did the Chinese actually mean anything or was it just random spam?
        [–]IMissSplashyPants 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
        90% of it was from here: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong and usually fit with whatever conversation I was having in some way.
        The rest was from https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sun_Tzu and the Tao Te Ching.
        A friend in mainland china helped with some other minor points.
        [–]BipolarBear0[S] -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        Thanks, man. We've always fundamentally disagreed since we were on opposite sides, but it's a huge relief to get away from it all. I'm glad you've disengaged, too. I think everyone should take a break once in a while.
        [–]TheGhostOfDusty 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
        Something vexes ye?
        [–]RoboBama 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
        /u/BipolarBear0 It has long been believed in certain circles that once reddit acquired their large userbase, the next part of development was to shift focus from "power to the users!!!11!" to "moderation tools and techniques" to basically empower their site's glorified unpaid janitors. How accurate would you say that is?
        Second question, how prevalent is the monetization of the mod positions in large subreddits to push certain agendas and get paid for it, a la /r/battlefront? (If this is sensitive territory just dont give any details... explain what you can)
        [–]BipolarBear0[S] -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        It has long been a complaint of many moderators in /r/modtalk and elsewhere that the modtools are lacking in features and function, and that the admins give mods little support.
        Personally, I've had to fight against the admins, like once when we had a user spamming our modmail in /r/news with ASCII art at about 20 messages an hour. This basically killed our ability to use modmail since it was so cluttered with ASCII spam, and continued for a week and a half despite multiple mods trying to get help from the admins, contacting them about it, etc. Me personally, I sent maybe 10 messages to the admins over the course of five days without any responses whatsoever.
        This happened in a default subreddit about a year ago, and if the admins don't care to focus on a default subreddit, then I doubt they cared enough anywhere else. I just think the reddit administration at that time was so incompetent and chaotic that they never really knew what they were going to focus on next.
        But I have noticed recently that as the admin team becomes more cohesive, there are major steps to "empower moderators" by fixing current tools and developing new ones. I don't know if this means they've drafted an actual development plan or not.

        I've heard some accusations in the LoL subreddit and elsewhere that mods get paid to push company agendas, but I don't know if they're substantiated. I know the admins don't really tolerate it at all (you'll get SB'd to hell if you get paid by a company to push an agenda in your sub), but from modding certain TV show/tech subreddits and even places like /r/news, I've received (not directly, just through modmail) many offers from companies seeking in vague terms to "partner more with moderators" or "offer products and services" if they "help the company out." So there are definitely companies that try to swing mods on their side to push an agenda. I'm sure the weaker ones have fallen for that trap.
        [–]AskMeAboutAskReddit 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
        This is utterly fatuous.
        [–]SenpaiTomRiddle 3 points4 points5 points  (50 children)
        Question from a loyal fan: Are you ever coming back to Snoonet? The memes are ripe this time of year.
        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
        If paradox can manage to not shitpost that is
        [–]SenpaiTomRiddle 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        I am a simple meme farmer
        I am good at what I do.
        [–]SenpaiTomRiddle 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        inb4 network ban
        [–]mRNA28 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
        He doesn't want us, and we don't want him. http://i.imgur.com/UUPz1yc.jpg
        [–]SenpaiTomRiddle 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
        DAMMIT BINO I WANT HIM
        [–]kaalaaaa 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
        You want my cock, admit it.
        [–]SenpaiTomRiddle 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
        sorry, I don't have a nazi fetish
        ..yet
        [–]BipolarBear0[S] 1 point2 points3 points  (41 children)
        I miss you the most out of everyone (just kidding, I miss some people equally).
        Nah, I'm not going to come back to snoonet. On one hand, it's a huge time-waster: I've actually been working out and getting real shit done instead of chatting on there all the time. On the other, the shitty people outweigh the individual cool ones.
        [–]mRNA28 2 points3 points4 points  (5 children)
        Rank the people you "equally" miss
        [–]Titan_Transcendent 4 points5 points6 points  (4 children)
        I hope I get ranked higher than you
        [–]mRNA28 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
        Shut up, he privately messaged me to tell me you didn't make the cut.
        See you in hell, mister.
        [–]Titan_Transcendent 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
        Yeah well he messaged me to say that you are a poop! Now what do you have to say about that?
        [–]mRNA28 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
        I've reported this post for harrassment
        [–]Titan_Transcendent 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
        This is undelete, harassment is mandatory here.
        <3
        [–]kaalaaaa 1 point2 points3 points  (29 children)
        Do I belong to the shitty ones?
        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points  (16 children)
        What do you think
        [–]kaalaaaa 0 points1 point2 points  (15 children)
        Somewhere in between?
        [–]toiracse 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
        I know what it's going to be every time, but I still click it. Every time. And it makes me sensibly chuckle a little to myself. Every time.
        [–]Ravelair 1 point2 points3 points  (10 children)
        For fucks sake, are you and /u/chaanah actually the same person?
        I may be out of the loop, sure, but I could swear both of you surfaced not that long ago at similar times. Not to mention that you're in every Damn thread, chaanaah too probably but I can't be bothered to look.
        Oh and let's not forget you two had some /r/drama worthy drama. Maybe that's why you're here.
        Damn I'm tired. /r/conspiracy here I come
        [–]Br00ce 1 point2 points3 points  (9 children)
        they are not
        /u/kaalaaaa is some meta troll who got his acc unshadow banned while /u/chaanach is some meta troll who got shadow banned

        they are totally different people

        [–]kaalaaaa 3 points4 points5 points  (4 children)
        /u/kaalaaaa is some meta troll who got his acc unshadow banned twice.
        [–]Br00ce 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
        we are tied? step up your game son
        [–]kaalaaaa 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
        I'll try not too, even though I'd like to see the suspension system in action.
        [–]justcool393TotesMessenger+SnapshillBot Operator 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
        Damn, and for all the trolling I do, I can never seem to get shadowbanned/suspended/whatever. I need to up my game.
        [–]hypnozooid 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
        Start messaging random users a picture of your router, that seems to work well.
        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
        Troll? How dare you
        We're both of r drama and we both like juicy drama
        [–]Br00ce 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
        you love it admit it
        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
        Oh totally
        [–]kaalaaaa 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
        I'm an independent mind. I feel no alliance to anything but myself.
        [–]BipolarBear0[S] 2 points3 points4 points  (8 children)
        You're a strange case, man.
        I mean, obviously you're really fucked up. Like in an intense, pathological way. But at the same time, you exercise a weird degree of self-awareness. Like you want to stir shit, but at the same time you have a general sense of what's going on and what's true/false. I remember our time in the early days when you first joined IRC, and I don't think you're malicious at all. Just... Fucking weird.
        [–]mangopear 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        On your last point, the whole drama cabal has started to split up and smaller channels have been growing with activity, so it's easier to find channels without shitty people in them. But I've got nothing on your first point. IRC can often be a time waster. I guess it's just deciding whether the time is worth it or not.
        [–]SenpaiTomRiddle 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
        but we need you
        you are our harry potter
        several of the admins are voldemort
        pls
        [–]BipolarBear0[S] -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
        I wish more people would ask me about the snoonet admins. I have a lot to say about that.
        [–]SenpaiTomRiddle 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
        Please, do tell!
        [–]creq 1 point2 points3 points  (13 children)
        Conspiracy theorists are a disparate group who are united by their sense of victimhood and persecution - they all think they're being targeted, and they all think the people targeting them are [X group I disagree with].
        If you ever modded /r/conspiracy you'd quickly see it is being targeted, but not by the illuminate or something but by asshole trolls pretending to be JDIF or whatever.
        [–]RoboBama 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
        It's his large sweeping generalizations of my favorite sub that shows me he literally knows nothing of the contributions to /r/conspiracy, and judges the entire subreddit on the exchanges between himself and a few individuals.
        [–]socsa 0 points1 point2 points  (11 children)
        Or maybe he just looks at the pile of inane delusional garbage which passes for reason over there? Like constantly disrespecting the victims of violence by insisting that every mass shooting is some kind of plot and everyone involved is an actor? No, but you're just asking questions, right? Do you really not understand how despicable that kind of shit is? People would take you guys a bit more seriously if you purged some of the more pathological delusions.
        I know I would. I "want to believe" but am driven away by a lot of the idiotic content.
        [–]creq 1 point2 points3 points  (10 children)
        Or maybe he just looks at the pile of inane delusional garbage which passes for reason over there?
        That's not what he said though. And to that end yes the sub is under constant attack by what I would consider to be general sadists looking to get kicks by any means necessary. Lying, impersonation, posting extremist crap just to get the gullible to believe it, you name it. Some of the worst people in the world. I consider these people worse than those who buy into idiotic propaganda and now think every shooting is fake. If there is a hell, there's a place in it for people like Joshua Goldberg.
        Do you really not understand how despicable that kind of shit is?
        I understand that it's really irritating to see every single thing turn into a conspiracy. Mass shootings, terror attacks, Snowden for cryn' out loud. I get it, I really do.
        People would take you guys a bit more seriously if you purged some of the more pathological delusions.
        The sub as whole isn't ever going to be taken seriously. I don't take it seriously. Although every once in a blue moon something does get posted there that is worth taking a look at. To me that's about all it's good for. But it would also help if it weren't full of sociopathic trolls from places like /r/TopMindsofReddit.
        I know I would [purge content]. I "want to believe" but am driven away by a lot of the idiotic content.
        As mods there we know better than to try to impose our own view of what the sub should be. We have some rule to which we stick by but other than that it's pretty much a place where people can post what they'd like.
        I don't understand your constant obsession with trying to force your own personal belief system onto what an entire sub should see or not see. The subs you mod shouldn't exist as some sort of personal little playground for you to mold and control with an iron fist. They are not "yours".
        You hear all this talk of SJW's? Well, it's one thing to disagree and rebuke what some people are saying, and it's another to be like this douche.
        [–]socsa 0 points1 point2 points  (9 children)
        So now suggesting that it's distasteful to provide a place where people can disrespect the victims of violence is literally the same as a satirical south park character which is elegantly satirizing both sides of the issue? Cool story.
        I really just came here to check on the lawyer ad I pulled (which the users upvoted, BTW), saw this post, had it sorted by new by mere chance, saw you in here, and figured I'd share my two cents. It's always nice to be accused of pushing an agenda, and I felt like I needed some affirmation today, so thanks bro.
        Also "I would" as in "I would [take the sub more seriously if]..." You're making it really difficult to not snidely compliment your reading comprehension.
        [–]creq 1 point2 points3 points  (8 children)
        It seems like you don't understand the point I'm trying to make with my analogy. Point is neither PC Principle nor Cartman were right.
        It's always nice to be accused of pushing an agenda, and I felt like I needed some affirmation today, so thanks bro.
        I'm pretty sure you're not that hard to figure out. "People would take you guys a bit more seriously if you purged some of the more pathological delusions. "
        Also "I would" as in "I would [take the sub more seriously if]..." You're making it really difficult to not snidely compliment your reading comprehension.
        Yes, I'm aware you have issues with not acting like a prick, but "I know I would." is ambiguous and you had just said, "People would take you guys a bit more seriously if you purged some of the more pathological delusions." I'm not a mind reader, give better context clues.
        But to the point, are you trying to say if you modded /r/conspiracy you wouldn't purge content? If that's the case how would you cease providing a place for people to talk about things you don't want them to?
        [–]socsa 0 points1 point2 points  (7 children)
        If I was modded to /r/conspiracy, I would make a concerted effort to sway a majority around my vision of what the sub should look like, but no, I would not act unilaterally. Nor would I be a "prick" about it. I think I'd be pretty respectful, if not assertive about it. One can have ideas about what is appropriate, while not resorting to outright censorship.
        Honestly, you and I have a lot more in common than we are willing to admit. We are both passionate about our beliefs, but also recognize that consensus and persuasion is the way to go about implementing that, rather than domineering. For the most part, at least. I'd really love to have a more in-depth discussion about my views on this kind of thing with you, but I'm not sure a random undelete thread is the right place.
        [–]creq 1 point2 points3 points  (5 children)
        If I was modded to /r/conspiracy, I would make a concerted effort to sway a majority around my vision of what the sub should look like, but no, I would not act unilaterally.
        That wasn't an answer to the question I asked. If you were the only mod of /r/conspiracy would you remove content that disrespected victims of things like mass shootings or would you go into each thread and attempt to persuade scores of severely misguided users who aren't ever going to listen to you or any other voice of reason?
        [–]socsa 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
        That's a good question. I don't know for sure. I'd probably try to bring in other people to consult, to be honest.
        My instinct would be to remove stuff like that, yes, but primarily because it goes back to the same lowest common denominator issue I frequently bring up. You can't really have reasonable discussions when you are a magnet for unreasonable people. And in terms of safe spaces, I wouldn't really feel a need to provide one for people who are that shitty about disrespecting victims like that. Yet I still would never call for making such things illegal. I don't know where the line is, but that definitely crosses it. People are absolutely free to start their own site dedicated to nutty conspiritard stuff.
        But it really all depends. If there was legitimately evidence of a coverup, which was more than thinly veiled anti-authority petulance, it would be a different story entirely. And I'm no fan of unquestioned authority myself.
        [–]creq 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
        To be honest I could totally could see you removing them and nuking comments. In some sense it's understandable, but not what I would consider the right move.
        You can't really have reasonable discussions when you are a magnet for unreasonable people.
        We're talking about /r/conspiracy... Dream on lol
        And in terms of safe spaces, I wouldn't really feel a need to provide one for people who are that shitty about disrespecting victims like that. Yet I still would never call for making such things illegal. I don't know where the line is, but that definitely crosses it. People are absolutely free to start their own site dedicated to nutty conspiritard stuff.
        I think you misunderstand what the term "safe space" is referring to. /r/conspiracy isn't one of those in any sense of the saying. A "safe space" is a place where a particular echo chamber exists that will absolutely not tolerate anyone questioning the main line of thought / going against the hive mind. "Safe spaces" remove anything that could "trigger" someone. Right now, as long as you don't use personal attacks on /r/conspiracy you are allowed to disagree and question anyone, everyone, and everything on there as much as your heart desires. This untamed freedom to express your opinions and beliefs there no matter what they are is what has lead to some of the undesirable things you're talking about it in the first place. Ironically, to remove the thing you're talking about you would in fact be setting up a "safe space" of your own. One where people could come and not see mass shooting conspiracies (ie. things that are offensive). Do you see what I'm saying?
        [–]socsa 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
        (I wanted to wait until I was at a keyboard to respond)
        First - I disagree with your definition of "safe space" in that you are defining it as a pejorative from the start, and that is definitely begging the question. I'd prefer to not assign implied truth values to language if I can possibly avoid it. But that is besides the point.
        I guess the question ultimately breaks down to one of value preference. I don't disagree with the idea that there is value in a forum where anything goes, however I also think that this carries other implications which may interfere with other goals/values/whatever. Like I said - I'm not suggesting that /r/conspiracy shouldn't allow patently absurd discussions about eg, school shootings or lizard men or Obama's birth certificate - but I am pointing out that allowing such content does have other consequences, specifically with regards to credibility, quality and reputation of the sub. It's a descriptive position I am taking more than a normative one.
        Simply put, you can't have it both ways. If you are overly permissive with content, then you will typically approach the lowest common denominator when it comes to quality, and the type of users you attract. You will create a de facto policy which accommodates trolls and assholes more than it accommodates insightful and meaningful discussion. And this is fine, but it was you who said
        But it would also help if it weren't full of sociopathic trolls
        The entire point I am trying to make is that these things are related. Discouraging certain topics and behaviors would go a long way towards improving the overall quality of the discourse in the sub, and would make it less of a safe space attraction for trolls and idiots on both sides. There are conspiracy forums out there which manage to do a decent job at this, and they do that by trying to filter out the more inane, ridiculous and agenda laden topics in order to focus on things which are perhaps more credible or interesting.
        You've heard me say this before, but I think some of these topics deserve a more mature treatment than they receive on /r/conspiracy (though it does seem like there is some ebb and flow in that regard), and the best way to do that is to make the insincere actors feel like they are not welcome unless they meet a certain quality threshold. You might actually be surprised at how views and behavior can change for the better, and how trolls and assholes can be brought around to participate in more measured debate when these kinds of rules are enforced. Once again, that's not to say that all conspiracy forums need to be homogeneous in this regard, but along the same line of reasoning, there is also no implied requirement that they all be universally permissive either. It's really up to you guys to balance inclusiveness with quality, though I see you are perhaps more resigned to the former.
        [–]creq 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
        I'd really love to have a more in-depth discussion about my views on this kind of thing with you, but I'm not sure a random undelete thread is the right place.
        No no, this is the place. After all you started this conversation we with me, here. It's as good a place as any. So please answer my last question.
        [–]NYPD-32 2 points3 points4 points  (5 children)
        What do you think theghostofdusty's problem is? Abnormal paranoia? Asperger's?
        [–]BipolarBear0[S] 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
        Something like schizophrenia mixed with a totally new mental illness that psychologists haven't ever encountered before.
        [–]bigbowlowrong 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        I sometimes like to judge a person by the enemies they make. Given the deluded, paranoid creeps that follow you around like it's their fucking job, I think it's pretty clear you're a pretty awesome guy.
        [–]UncleSamuel-UncleSamuel 1 point2 points3 points  (8 children)
        they all think they're being targeted, and they all think the people targeting them
        I AM BEING TARGETED.
        Oh wait you weren't talking about me. How can I make this about me?
        [–]hypnozooid 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
        Your signature is always pretty good at that.
        [–]Paradox 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
        I wrote the JS that makes his signature
        [–]UncleSamuel-UncleSamuel 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        [–]BipolarBear0[S] 2 points3 points4 points  (4 children)
        I love you so much because you always summarize exactly what's up with just the right degree of thinly veiled sarcasm and satire.
        The quoted section you pulled is what I like to call my "Larger Theory of Internet Bullshit." Everyone - I mean everyone everywhere at all times, even me, even you - we're all trying to push our own issues and agendas. No matter how much we express a desire for neutrality or "truth and justice" or "freedom" or whatever other grandstanding political buzzword, all it really means is "I want the internet to support my agenda." It's what /r/undelete wants, it's what various moderators in /r/modtalk want, it's what /r/conspiracy wants, it's what the defaults want, it's what 4chan, Facebook, and Twitter want, it's what every online journalist in the world wants. They want the internet to agree with them. This is the source of all bullshit online: due to the nature of the internet, it will always be divisive. Everyone wants everyone else to support their agenda, but nobody wants to support anyone else's agenda but their own.
        Places like /pol/ (no matter how shitty it may be - fuck pol), or /r/drama, or my good friends over at /r/anonymous, they're all self-aware to a certain degree. Although they engage in the same bullshit everyone else does, this self-awareness separates them from the crowd.
        [–]UncleSamuel-UncleSamuel 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
        The issue of agendas is one of my favorite parts about /r/undelete. Something pro Hillary gets removed? Everyone patting eachother on the back for a good removal. Something they agree with gets removed? CENSORSHIP!!!!!!
        The trouble with actually believing in free speech and an open marketplace of ideas is you have to let people you hate speak as well.
        [–]NinjaNetizen 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
        >The trouble with actually believing in free speech and an open marketplace of ideas is you have to let people you hate speak as well.
        [–]IMissSplashyPants 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
        "Larger Theory of Internet Bullshit." Everyone - I mean everyone everywhere at all times, even me, even you - we're all trying to push our own issues and agendas. No matter how much we express a desire for neutrality or "truth and justice" or "freedom" or whatever other grandstanding political buzzword, all it really means is "I want the internet to support my agenda."
        Reddit has always been this way, and it's a large part of why it ever worked in the first place. Of course people are posting to to be heard.
        My problem was always with people using positions of power and privilege to push their agendas or suppress those of others. You can't stop the desire of people wanting to be heard/understood etc....
        The best we can hope for is an even playing field.
        [–]TheGhostOfDusty 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
        I love you so much because you always summarize exactly what's up with just the right degree of thinly veiled sarcasm and satire.
        You mean like when he copy/pastes for you what you write about yourself?
        [–]zellyman 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
        Posts like this make me so grateful that I have more than reddit in my life.
        [–]cojoco 3 points4 points5 points  (4 children)
        Conspiracy theorists are a disparate group who are united by their sense of victimhood and persecution - they all think they're being targeted
        Fuck you.
        You wouldn't know what altruism was if it pulled you out of a ditch and saved your life by giving you mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.
        [–]picflute 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
        Beautiful response
        [–]cojoco 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        Thanks.
        [–][deleted]  (6 children)
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          [–]OnSpeakerCrab 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          You're a horrible fucking piece of trash, scum human. Whichever one of the fifty fucking people use your account are on anyway- pass it on to the rest. Go fuck yourself.
          [–]SuperConductiveRabbiundelete MVP -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
          k
          [–]CloudTheWolf 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)

          /u/BipolarBear0 I was wondering why i had you tagged like that...

          http://imgur.com/BxXpEXY

          [–]cojoco 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
          Edit: It seems this post has essentially been coopted by petty drama and personal misgivings. That was never my intention - my intention was to comment on the interactions and dynamics of the metaverse, and how it truly functioned. If anyone has any questions concerning that, feel free to ask them.
          ha ha
          [–]RoboBama 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          Both him and paradox are absolute trash. The best part is, if you leave this entire sphere of extravagant asperger laden basement dwelling attention seekers, none of any of this shit matters at all. Their insignificance is incredible. Unless of course, they're monetizing their positions.
          [–]NinjaNetizen 0 points1 point2 points  (12 children)
          At what point throughout reddits history did it click for you that people were no longer using the site as a collective source of news, but as a place to push a brand of ideology?
          [–]BipolarBear0[S] 0 points1 point2 points  (11 children)
          Oh man, I think I'd have to describe my interactions with reddit in multiple phases:
          At first I was drawn to the site due to its appeal of being a "place for everyone with every interest." Naturally my interests were politics and global affairs, so I gravitated towards those sorts of subreddits. I even participated lightly in /r/conspiracy (Art Bell is awesome and I love certain abstract conspiracy theories, despite not believing in them) before realizing it was just a place for moderators and users alike to espouse their own agendas. I'd call this my age of innocence.
          Then I became more and more involved in the metaverse, and dealt more and more with various groups which would attempt to subvert posts from every angle to push their brand of ideology. But since I was so enmeshed in the metaverse as a moderator and user, I actively refused to acknowledge that this same sort of behavior was also coming from inside the house. I'd call this my age of partial awareness.
          Then, after finally coming to a breaking point with all the bullshit from all sides, I realized the metaverse is exactly the same as any other group: everyone wants to push their own agenda. I've been using the internet since about 1999, but it took me until basically mid-2014 to realize this. Like the douches who took LSD once and now wear those stupid energy crystals and share posts on Facebook from The Mind Unleashed, I'd call this my age of enlightenment.
          [–]cojoco 1 point2 points3 points  (10 children)
          If this was your view, why did you get involved in /r/restorethefourth?
          [–]ThunderCuntylicious 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
          Sidebar: This subreddit keeps track of submissions that moderators remove from the top 100 in /r/all.
          I should mention that I've long been a mortal enemy of /r/undelete , and vice versa.
          This says a lot about you
          [–]BipolarBear0[S] -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
          Have you ever actually visited /r/undelete, or...
          [–]BipolarBear0[S] -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
          Typo in the title. Should be "which has driven me to create this post."
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          [–]CosmicKeys 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          >nolibswatch
          This is like "This Is Your Life" reddit version.
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          [–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point  (8 children)
          When I first came to irc through /r/subredditdrama ( I nicked [redacted] dunno if you remember) you chatted simultaneously from three different nicknames. The two I remember were BipolarBear0 and Thugnificient. But people say Thugnificient is a different person.
          Are you the same person or not?
          [–][deleted]  (6 children)
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            [–]BipolarBear0[S] -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
            I've always chatted on this nickname, never used another one.
            Thugnificent is indeed a different person.
            [–]OBLIVIATER -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
            Ole bpb finally outing the shills
            [–]NYPD-32 1 point2 points3 points  (32 children)
            How many Jews do you think died in the Holocaust?
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