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How has Schneiderlin played this season? (self.reddevils)

bellend1234 が 投稿

Just wondering how he's fared.

I tried his name in the search bar for this sub but the links were all months old.

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[–]AttackClown 1ポイント2ポイント  (14子コメント)

Some will point you in the direction of stats, where we have a much higher win % with Morgan.

But watching each week, he is a decent player but nothing more. Never really dominated a game, never put in a man of the match performance (he was quite good vs everton last year though), just 1 goal and 1 assist, occasionally makes a nice pass.

[–]bellend1234[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (13子コメント)

Yeah, I remember being impressed by him in that Everton game.

Would you say he's a United quality backup/rotation? Seems like the general consensus is that he's been decent but not set the world alight.

[–]LDN2016 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

United quality backup/rotation

I have no issues with him being given a peripheral squad role but we need significantly better players to be brought in for our central midfield positions.

[–]StannisJrScholesy 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's sad that all our midfielders are basically squad players. All that money wasted when we could have pursued better players for less. To be fair though, Morgan did have an amazing season for Southampton last season.

[–]LDN2016 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

an amazing season for Southampton last season.

so did lallana. sometimes shining for an upper midtable team doesn't translate to being good enough for a better team.

especially when you're a dm playing in an ultra compact, defensive system next to another massive dm. all these things magnify your strengths and totally hide your weaknesses.

[–]StannisJrScholesy 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Good point. Well hopefully this summer we can actually go out and buy some mobile midfielders.

[–]LDN2016 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

more than mobile i want technically capable ones. xabi/busi/xavi was one of the least mobile midfields ive ever seen but spain absolutely dominated the middle of the pitch.

i want us to be able to pass our way out of a heavy press without panicking.

[–]manutd_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Haha we have only Schweinsteiger capable of doing that right now and hes going to be done in a year or two if hes not already done.

Effectively we have zero mids capable of playing a high quality possession system. Its a pipedream right now.

[–]Zico568Butters 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think Blind can do it, most certainly after his experience at CB and doing a decent job there. I see a lot of people who want a destroyer or defensive beast on single pivot which is totally off in my opinion. Single pivot needs to be technical, positionally sublime and superior distribution. You need destroyers in front of the single pivot.

[–]bellend1234[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Fair enough.

What I meant was, say, having Kante as a starter and then playing Schneiderlin occasionally as rotation. Or is he not even that good?

[–]LDN2016 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

both are the wrong profile of player for the system really.

i get kante's work ethic is really useful but matuidi does the same with a lot more technical ability.

kante's an upgrade on morgan but you really need even better than that.

look at someone like koke who presses like a maniac but then he has outrageous technical ability too.

[–]bellend1234[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

True, but (correct me if I'm wrong) I think Koke is more a player who surges up the pitch quite a bit rather than sitting at the base of midfield. Same for Kante, really, so he was a bad example.

[–]LDN2016 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

just talking about central midfielders.

saf never played a holding midfielder/destroyer type. i dont think its really necessary unless you have an outrageous all out attack style and even then its really just a patch for an imbalanced midfield or team lazy/bad at pressing as a unit.

[–]bellend1234[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, ideally a more balanced style of player would be used but even the likes of Alonso stay at the base of midfield and read the game very well defensively.

That said, as far as patches go, Bayern's Martinez-Schweinsteiger midfield wasn't half bad.

[–]AttackClown 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hard to say really. I think he has a place if he has good players around him but i wouldn't be so sad or suprised if we sold him in a few seasons

[–]AirIndex 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's the defensive steel we've needed for years. Very happy with him.

[–]Moccabear64 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think he's better than we give him credit. his positioning is ace he gets stuck in and does the dirty work and can carry the defensive duties while a more attacking player sitting opposite him can drive the play. and lately he has been pushing up the pitch too.

[–]LDN2016 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

his positioning is ace

you're kidding? he dives into tackles with total disregard for positioning. if anything i'd say that's his biggest weakness.

[–]ThatStiffyAceJones | The English Battle Tank 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm confused with how this sub rates player's positioning. How can a DM for United, in a 4-3-3 have positioning as his biggest weakness?

It doesn't make sense, if van Gaal had the same thesis Blind would've played dm, Rojo at CB and there would be no lack or positional awareness to exploit.

But Schneiderlin played DM well and was at the right places to ease pressure off the defence. It's not nonsense nor coincidence to see that United concede less and win more with him in MF. To me the only player to make a more positive defensive contribution yesterday was Smalling.

[–]ManUChao7Memphis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like it or not he is one of our most consistent midfielders so far. I can't understand why most of our fans expect from him to play like Carrick or Scholes did. He is doing a different job for the team, defensive stability especially next season with Shaw back and a new CB in Rojo place. The team needs balance put some more attacking midfielders with more class in front of him and let them roll. Ffs even Rooney played better at midfield compared to the likes Fellaini,Herrera,Carrick(I'm not a prick he is terrible this season),Mata. On the other hand defensively we are quite solid and Morgan had some good performances in his first season. Our attack needs some boost JAMES easy option also trust LVG eye for Renato.

[–]kharma45Woodward -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

Underwhelming. I thought he'd really energize our midfield but I am having my doubts about him. Southampton may have been his level.

[–]LDN2016 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Southampton may have been his level.

Absolutely. His NT don't really rate him either.

[–]bellend1234[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

From what I remember, he was playing very well during the early parts of the season. Did he drop off? Or was it just a case of fans overrating him in the beginning because he was a new signing?

[–]LDN2016 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

fans overrating him in the beginning because he was a new signing

Any remotely attractive player gets the whole gushing fan girl treatment. Stick Diego Costa's face on him and watch half of his supporters wither away.

He's been thoroughly mediocre in a system designed to get the most out of him.

Anyone who attacks us bypasses the man with ease and he has absolutely no chance of growing into a deep lying playmaker role. He just does not have the technical ability to ever be a Xabi, Pirlo, Carrick, Verratti, Modric etc. esque figure.

If he's just going to be a destroyer type holding midfielder there's about 5 players in the French NT alone ahead of him in the pecking order, maybe 6 or 7 if we're being a bit more objective.

[–]bellend1234[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Interesting. Seems like you rate him lower than the other commentators here.

Yeah, I get that van Gaal's system is based on low risk and defensive pragmatism, so I figured a guy like Schneiderlin would thrive in it. Do you think he's suffered from not having a Wanyama type of player next to him?

[–]doesnt_like_pantsHerrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everyone here thinks Schneiderlin was a crunching tackle type of DM that bossed the midfield. In reality he was a limited box to box player that recycled possession really well in Saints' midfield whilst also racking up both decent defensive and offensive stats.

He is severely lacking someone like Wanyama and he should be playing box to box in a 4-3-3 not the key DM role in a 4-2-3-1.

[–]Allard1994Blind for Ballon d'Or -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

He cleans up messes. He isnt a playmaker like Xabi Alonso

[–]StannisJrScholesy -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Better than Coquelin, that's for sure.

[–]parton90Scholes -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Have you not watched any games?

[–]bellend1234[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

If I watched United games, I wouldn't be asking.

[–]Allard1994Blind for Ballon d'Or -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Last match he was amazing. Proper sweeper.

[–]LDN2016 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Proper sweeper.

No he wasn't.