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[–]FarsideSCConservative [スコア非表示]  (36子コメント)

I didn't know Romania was Communist until a few years ago. I have a friend who is Romanian, whose father was in the revolution against the Communist dictator. She told me some very startling things about how they lived, like how grocery stores were only open for a few hours of the day each week and how they were required to ration necessities. After the revolution, she said prices on goods were incredibly cheap (I'm guessing comparatively).

[–]DranoshSoCon, FinCon, antistatist, anti"equality" [スコア非表示]  (24子コメント)

There's a youtuber named Vee, he's Romanian and talks about sjw's and the radical left and how communism is absolute shit because he fucking lived in it

[–]I_hate_alot_a_lotLibertarian Conservative [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Is that the same guy who went to the Occupy Wallstreet protests and confronted supporters of socialism/communism?

[–]0ttervonBismarckCruz 2016 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That was a Russian guy named Vladimir I think.

[–]spicy_pasta [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Do you have a link please? That sounds hilarious

[–]IHNE [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's sounds fun. I'm looking that up right now

[–]BeardedBagels [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Yet a large majority of Romanians, especially those that lived pre-1989, favor Romania under Ceausescu vs now.

[–]RegularJerk [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Because it wasn't all that bad if you don't really want freedom but a decent life. Everybody talks about communism like it was the worst because you had to stay in line to get your quota of sugar for the month, never find exotic fruits or ever get to see a good movie. Old people favor communism because the great leader gave them a job and a house, no questions asked. Everybody got a job and a home. No freedom but at least you're not homeless and unemployed.

[–]pipechapLibertarian Conservative [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I can't stand a lot of the GG youtube personalities though; They might be anti-SJW and such but many of them are still socialists and obnoxious atheists.

[–]wolfman1911 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I know what you mean. A lot of the ones I like aren't overly. . .evangelical? about their views like that though.

[–]BeardedBagels [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

I don't know any Romanian who would say the economy was better after the revolution, or that any prices on goods were cheaper. The economy was on a down-slope through the 80s and continued even moreso after the revolution in the 90s (poverty doubled from 20% in 1996 to 41% in 1999).

One saying in Romania is that during Ceausescu, groceries used to be scarce but they were cheap. After Ceausescu, the stores were filled to the brim with products but no one could afford them.

[–]FarsideSCConservative [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Weird. My friend made it seem like things were so cheap. For instance, she said she could get a pack of smokes for like a dollar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Romania#/media/File:Romania,_GDP_per_capita.svg

Looks like Romanians were struggling for trade for a decade.

[–]BeardedBagels [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Maybe today. Things are definitely a lot better now than in the 90's and early 00's, but back then, Romanian currency was basically worthless and many goods were not affordable. Romania is a great example of how not to transition from a centralized to a market economy.

[–]FarsideSCConservative [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

I do know that wages are relatively low and that American money does go a long way. Have the Romanians held onto the central social spending?

[–]BeardedBagels [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Cost of living in Romania is much lower than the US so I'd imagine wages are congruent with cost of living. Education and healthcare are both free.

[–]FarsideSCConservative [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Romania

You're not joking.

[–]BeardedBagels [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Romania Pack of Cigarettes (Marlboro) 3.81 $

USA Pack of Cigarettes (Marlboro) 6.50 $

:P

[–]FarsideSCConservative [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

$6.50 if you're lucky. That's the federal price without getting into state taxes.

[–]I_hate_alot_a_lotLibertarian Conservative [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Perhaps she meant access to those goods?

I mean, what's the point of saying there's really cheap cigarettes, if there's no cigarettes available?

I don't know, maybe there was a language mishap and she meant something else?

[–]FarsideSCConservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Probably. I just asked her about it again (the conversation I had was 2 years ago). She's at work. So, I asked about life before/after the dictator and she replies with, "...Now?"

She did say that since the overthrow, they've implemented a VAT and prices have "changed". Not sure what that's worth. I'll have to try again a better time :D

[–]PharoahSlapahotep [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

For more hilarious post-communist Romanian perspective on western society tearing itself apart, check out Vee on youtube. Often his videos are related to Gamer gate or geek culture, but more often it's society at large. Very funny guy, but also his stuff is a sobering reminder of where humanity has already been, and where it will go if our self-appointed cultural guardians can't be bothered to pick up a history book.

https://youtu.be/XZE6s8TdUIU

[–]PM_me_nicetits [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't think its so much a burn, as it is a hint. Most people only have one provider. Let's kill the people making the laws that say competition isn't allowed, and open the markets.

[–]bfwilley [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Romania calling a BS Bolshevik a BS Bolshevik.

Brilliant!

[–]puddboy [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

To punish myself I follow Bernie Sanders on Twitter. His tweets read like they're written by a high school freshman. The stupidity and simplicity of his message makes you want to smack your head.

[–]Al_C_Oholic [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

All his tweets are... "Today, X is better than Y. That is unacceptable and must change."

[–]Eatinglue [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

That's essentially his voting base, so that makes sense

[–]adlpsfko [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

you cant even call them a voting base because they dont even vote LOL

[–]IAMAVERYGOODPERSON [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

they are

[–]oboboy14 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I'm willing to bet that he doesn't tweet them himself, he probably does get high school/college freshmen to do it.

[–]Thepeanutbuttermutte [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yep that is correct. It says in his bio that if he actually tweets the tweet will have a "-B" at the end. Otherwise it is his freshman intern.

[–]wolfman1911 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think the only Sanders tweet I've ever seen was the one about how it was a real travesty that student loans had a higher interest rate than either car loans or mortgages, maybe both. That was pretty much all I needed to see from him.

[–]MacheteSanta [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

It's hilarious how the Left always compares the entire USA (which it's landmass is roughly the same as all of Europe) to one tiny country

[–]GordieVP [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Ignoring the clusterfuck of a process we would have to go through, I think it would be interesting to look at splitting up the states into separate countries and allowing those states that want to remain part of the USA to join an EU type of alliance.

[–]syndikate [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That possibility is all but dead - federalism will forever trump states' rights.

See: American History, 1865

[–]Ilickpaint [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Just wanted to thank you OP, I Lol'd.

[–]k3vin187 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Infrastructure is rarely developed through the open market. Free markets did help Romania grow but internet speeds are mostly determined by the age of the infrastructure and most infrastructure is socialized. This seems to have been around and excites people because of the word commie but as someone said previously, socialist would have been more fitting.

[–]yourlogicalfriend [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

America has a free market, capitalist economy. The Internet is run by private corporations. And our internet sucks.

[–]yep45Constitutionalist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And these private corporations are given legal monopolies on respective local markets

[–]MacheteSanta [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

And is regulated by the government

[–]Armagetiton [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Well, it does have to be regulated, to an extent. Do you enjoy the internet the way it is? What if net neutrality was lost?

Imagine if the ISPs sold you internet like cable packages. You'd have to pay separately for Reddit, for Amazon, for Wikipedia, ect, ect. They could also block ports used in online gaming and unblock them for an extra charge. This would be the internet without any government regulation, and they've been trying to change the regulation for about a decade now so they can do this.

There's other regulations that are in place that prevent competition from moving in though, and that needs to change.

[–]MacheteSanta [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Are you serious? "Net Neutrality" is a scam. Nothing of what you said is true.

It is more "Net Neutralization." Government now has the power to regulate the internet, especially since it's now a "utility."

The same government that could not run a single website is given full control of the internet.

Watch this clip: http://www.glennbeck.com/2015/02/17/stu-explains-why-net-neutrality-will-not-make-the-internet-better/

Read these: http://www.cnet.com/news/7-things-net-neutrality-wont-do/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/02/09/senator-blasts-net-neutrality-as-the-creation-of-a-department-of-the-internet/

[–]Cashews4U [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Imagine if the ISPs sold you internet like cable packages. You'd have to pay separately for Reddit, for Amazon, for Wikipedia, ect, ect. They could also block ports used in online gaming and unblock them for an extra charge. This would be the internet without any government regulation, and they've been trying to change the regulation for about a decade now so they can do this.

Someone would offer cheaper internet with more freedoms and wipe out competition.

[–]MarkovHiding [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This would be the internet without any government regulation.

We don't have to speculate, Romania is the perfect example how internet might work without regulation, just a bunch of guys wiring up their neighborhoods because they felt like it. This is exactly how they managed to achieve this absurdly high quality.

[–]wolfman1911 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It's pretty adorable that you think that ISPs, a market where there is no competition thanks to government sanctioned monopolies, are an example of a free market, capitalist economy.

[–]yourlogicalfriend [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Who do you think lobbies for legislation that inhibits competition in order to create "government sanctioned monopolies?" Hint: corporations.

[–]_glenn_ [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

No problems here. Everything I need and services have expanded for the past 23 years to fit my needs nicely. I don't see any reason to believe this pattern will not continue, unless we move to a government provided solution I suppose.

[–]sevenswansdead [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm glad that you're satisfied and feel that your needs are being met to the best of your ISP's ability, but internet in the US is not very fast (certainly not relative to other modernized nations), and comparatively quite expensive. You're paying more money for slower internet than millions of people around the world.

[–]Ser_Davos_Cworth[S] [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Link to tweet:

Https://www.twitter.com/djPaulMarco/status/707078704837599232

[–]secret_porn_acct [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Every time I see you post, I try to think of a reply that would make sense but would also reference GoT specifically the red priestess.. So far to no avail..

[–]PharoahSlapahotep [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

this guy would know something about sick burns.

Something like that?

[–]Ser_Davos_Cworth[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Most punny replies to my username reference how impressive my typing speed is, given my obvious handicap. How about...

Today Davos burns MeliSANDERS? sorry

I dunno. I would love to see you come up with a good one in the future though. Looking forward to it!

[–]Klesko [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Wow read Sanders replies. He is a pure communist, I have no doubt at this point.

[–]SubaruBirri [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Lol. That's not actually Sanders replying to this nonsense.

[–]BeardedBagels [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's not Bernie's account.

[–]human6742Conservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This has to be on the list of sickest burns of all time

[–]JIDF-Shill [スコア非表示]  (17子コメント)

Why the fuck is a president supposed to be concerned with how fast your internet is

[–]mofoqin [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

You don't think American infrastructure is something presidents should concern themselves with?

[–]Rakajj [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You do realize that the US tech industry is huge and will grow indefinitely right? A sub-standard network infrastructure would absolutely be a factor in determining where datacenters and offices can be located.

The only way the President can not be concerned with infrastructure is if he's going to be truly laissez faire with the economy and nobody here is actually advocating that.

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[–]Kildragoth [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Just making sure that you all are aware that in America there is a mostly open economy and the result has been a consolidation of wealth among giant corporations that utilize their wealth to reduce competition which drives up cost and reduces the quality of services. This is very evident with Internet service providers.

I'm curious what the conservative approach would be to prevent this kind of situation. Telling the ISPs to open up their networks to allow competition or regulating ISPs to force them to provide better services both seem like solutions that are also not conservative.

[–]Seamus_OReilly [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The first part of my approach would be to get an accurate diagnosis of the cause of the problem.

Take a for instance: inequality. Progressives blame rising inequality on lower marginal tax rates on the wealthy, primarily from the Reagan era tax cuts. But if we look at the measure of inequality (the Gini coefficient), we can see that it started going up in 1966. Therefore, the simplistic and politically convenient diagnosis of progressives is shown to be wrong. The more obvious explanations are The Great Society and the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965.

Same deal with ISPs. Typically, large companies cannot corner markets. They must be insilated from competiton by government action. For example, AT&T was granted a monopoly on telephone service during the Wilson Administration.

And so, my long winded diagnosis is that we need to break local government granted monopolies.

[–]wolfman1911 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Nice. I wonder how that doofus that planned to move to Romania when Bernie doesn't get the nomination is going to react to this.

[–]Spayed-And-Neutered [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Jesus, he is as dumb as I thought.

The reason it seems like everyone's internet is faster than ours is because our infrastructure is older. It's older because we - The Fucking United States of America - pioneered the internet. Korea just got the internet compared to us. Of course they'll have fiber lines. I have fiber now too, and it's fantastic. You really don't need anything faster. I get like 5 MB/s up and down. Google's Fiber gets like 1 GB/s. You can download a movie in like 5 seconds. That's pretty insane, but so is the cost. I'm happy with what I have, and I'm even more happy living in (not joking) the greatest fucking country on planet earth.

[–]myaccc [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

... Or it's because the ISPs have govt granted monopolies that prevent competition and therefore drive down quality. Wouldn't having faster internet as a nation improve global competitiveness? Tech and research companies?

[–]Spayed-And-Neutered [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They have monopolies because local gov't has deemed the internet an essential utility, like water, or the post office. The ISPs are granted protection from competition in exchange for providing coverage to absolutely everyone in the locality. Gov't loves this outcome and doesn't mind shafting 98 percent of customers to grant internet access to the 2 percent of out there folks.

Should this be how it is? No. You can get a fucking satellite dish for all I care if you live 50 miles out from the city.

So you're not wrong. Sticky infrastructure and crony capitalism cause this issue.

[–]IAMAVERYGOODPERSON [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

/conservative is just now finding this tweet? been all over reddit for a few months now

[–]Im_Rick_Grimes [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Time to invade Romania! Fuck yeah!