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My liberal friend is offended by my Libertarianism. So I made him this. (imgur.com)

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[–]MuzakNinja 61ポイント62ポイント  (27子コメント)

If your "liberal" friend is offended by libertarianism, they aren't a liberal. I'm rather curious to hear what about libertarianism offends them.

[–]Mark-V-Shaney 89ポイント90ポイント  (18子コメント)

50 bucks says his "liberal" friend is actually a totalitarian collectivist.

[–]LaLongueCarabine 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ding ding ding. What do we have for him Johnny?

[–]DrHappyFunTime 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Facism!

[–]ProjectD13Xvoluntaryist 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ooh! Does it come with free helicopter rides?!

[–]HalfPastTuna 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

free bullets!!...but no casings

[–]yur_mom 33ポイント34ポイント  (12子コメント)

And OP most likely was not being a Libertarian, rather just an asshole.

[–]snaftyroot 10ポイント11ポイント  (7子コメント)

yea, "liberal" has basically turned into "anyone who disagrees with me"

[–]ivebeenhereallsummer 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

I thought that was "cuck" now.

[–]antonivs 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only if you're 14.

[–]AllWrong74Realist 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Was that a joke? I've never heard cuck before. It seems like an idiotic term just by looking at the word (like YOLO).

[–]DangerDoc 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

"Cuck" is a shortened version of the word, "cuckold", which is the term for a man who allows his wife/girlfriend/significant other to sleep with other man and is okay with it. It's used as an insult towards others implying that they're weak and lacking fortitude in pretty much any regard.

Sort of how "fuccboi" replaced "faggot" in urban use.

[–]AllWrong74Realist 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

TIL.

Thanks for the rundown. Now, I know to laugh at anybody that tries to call me a cuck.

[–]fissionman1 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because they'd be right in that you do, in fact, enjoy watching your wife get rekt by five strangers at the same time?

[–]CasperAmicalarua 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dude, that was, like, the sluttiest thing ever.

[–]LaLongueCarabine 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

My money is on that he was explaining basic economic principles

[–]bpg609 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

economic principles!? more like corporate greed apologist! /s

to be serious, students actually walked out of Professor Mankiw's class because they were offended by economic principles

[–]ChocolateSunrise -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Via what he learned from Youtube university.

[–]zachiswak 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

these days disagreeing is an asshole move

[–]pixiedonutCurious 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

100 bucks says he has no friends and just wants karma

[–]ifuckmothers 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

probably one of those losers who thinks we worship at the feet of so called "corporate greed."

[–]mc2222 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm not jumping on the bandwagon here.

Given the somewhat antagonistic tone of OPs image, I'd be surprised if his friend is actually offended by libertarianism. His friend is probably offended by OP's condescending tone.

[–]antisoshal 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Im going with not ever really offended, more annoyed. Like everything now, the actual proper usage of words is being conflated for convenience. There are a small army of morons offended by the tiniest trespass, but now theres a bigger army looking to label any hint of dissent, disagreement or aggravation as "offense" to keep the anti-outrage outrage rolling.

[–]snaftyroot 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

and probably wasn't even offended

[–]bpg609 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not an argument. You sound like your feelings got tread on like OP's cuck friend

[–]DieOfBetes 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not having other people's money offends them.

[–]57ashdot 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably our stance on fiscal policy/size of gov, since "liberals" as defined by the media are progressive on social issues (like us) but then totally derail into statism for all other viewpoints.

[–]Zifnab25Filthy Statist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If your "liberal" friend is offended by libertarianism, they aren't a liberal.

And if he doesn't play the bagpipes, he isn't Scottish.

[–]PROJECTime 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

You know what you could have written: This is a Snake Space!

[–]henjaffe 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

/r/vexillology

[–]merlinfire 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's nothing so illiberal as a modern liberal.

[–]sunsetclimb3r 26ポイント27ポイント  (25子コメント)

R/libertarianmeme

[–]leonard_nimoy_online[S] 20ポイント21ポイント  (24子コメント)

I was not aware of /r/libertarianmeme, I'll post it there. It's more applicable there anyway. Thank you!

[–]TMac1128 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hahaha

[–]Navin_R_Johnson79 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can I steal this? Personal/karma use only.

[–]leonard_nimoy_online[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course! Use to your heart's content

[–]Mob_Mentality16 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

R/cringe?

[–]VaginuhVote Goldwater 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

The post or these comments?

[–]OrangeAndBlackVote Gary Johnson -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree. This is stupid and immature.

[–]freedomfreighter 14ポイント15ポイント  (17子コメント)

liberal friend is offended

Not too surprising, business as usual

by my Libertarianism

jackiechanwha.jpg, it is either a sign that liberals these days are in no way liberal, or someone has a strawman engrained in their skull, because philosophically speaking, even politically speaking, there's a shit ton in common.

le sigh

[–]snaftyroot 9ポイント10ポイント  (14子コメント)

a seemingly large vocal section of this sub seem to think liberalism and libertarianism are diametrically opposed, not realizing it's more of a orthogonal relation where you can be conservative, liberal, somewhere in between, and many other things and still be libertarian

[–]SquireCD 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

This guy gets it.

I'm somewhere between liberal and libertarian, but this sub is so generalizing and hostile that I often leave thinking, "well, if this is what they're like, fuck them."

I'm betting many conservatives in the middle feel the same way.

It's not productive.

Edit Thanks, /u/gburgwardt & /u/wellyesofcourse . This is my chart.

Looks like I fall more libertarian than liberal than I thought.

There's a lot of common ground and opportunity this sub is missing out on.

[–]wellyesofcourseConstitutional Conservative/Classical Liberal 5ポイント6ポイント  (8子コメント)

Yeah, I tried to explain the "political ideology is a matrix not a line" thing to someone yesterday and they didn't really get it.

(and I find myself pretty close to "in the middle")

[–]SquireCD 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

And there you go. Exactly.

I'd bet with me leaning left and you leaning right, but both of us sharing libertarian ideals, we would probably have a lot of common ground.

This sub takes that crossover -- that opportunity -- and never gives it room to take hold so that those in the middle can get on board with libertarian people and their candidates.

PS: Where'd you go to make that nifty graph? I'm curious what mine would look like.

Edit Thanks, /u/gburgwardt & /u/wellyesofcourse . This is my chart. From our charts, I definitely think we'd have a lot of overlap and common ground.

[–]gburgwardt 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Political compass iirc, I'm on my phone or I'd Google it for you.

That gets me about this sub too. Nobody is willing to try and see someone else's point of view or allow for any nuance on any issues. Just downvotes

[–]SquireCD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks! Found it. The site is politicalcompass.org/analysis for anyone who wants to make their own graph.

Yeah. That's my experience here as well.

I'll probably just keep lurking until the sub gets better or unsubscribe when I give up someday.

[–]SquireCD 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thanks!

This is my chart. From our charts, I definitely think we'd have a lot of overlap and common ground.

[–]gburgwardt 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm another person than the first guy you replied to :p

[–]SquireCD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ha! Damn it!

Well, thank you anyway. :)

[–]wellyesofcourseConstitutional Conservative/Classical Liberal 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

www.politicalcompass.org

It's based on British ideology so I'm not exactly sure where the "middle" is concerning the left/right dynamic. I'd assume that in context to American politics the "middle" is a bit more to the right than they purport, but probably pretty spot on for a Eurocentric POV.

[–]brutallyhonestharvey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sad that they couldn't even think two dimensionally.

[–]antisoshal 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I have tried to have this discussion, and virtually no one from the USA grasps that there is no one TRUE Libertarianism. American libertarianism is one sect defined by a few specific authors and everything else is no longer worthy of mention. Its pretty much just a fixed dogma now re-enforced by hostility and condescension. Conservative, Liberal and Libertarian all have different meanings in the USA than they do almost anywhere else, and none of them are necessarily exclusive to eachother.

[–]snaftyroot 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

for what it's worth, im american, but I live in germany :) it's incredibly impossible to explain to people in this sub that certain taxes and social programs can increase personal freedom

and to be fair, there's no pure implementation of any political or economic ideology. they're all fundamentally flawed. a hybrid system is the only sustainable system. oops. i misunderstood what you wrote

and yea, I agree. american libertarianism, and especially /r/libertarian, is toxic. it seems like a lot of the population is disenfranchised right-wingers who realized they could guise their hatred, discrimination, and stupidity as being proponents of liberty while ignoring the rest of the philosophy.

You mean I can deny service to black people and gays? and I don't have to approve of people being educated!?!? AND I GET GUNS?!?!!!!!!!!!

[–]antisoshal 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The strangest development is the religious bent that Libertarian folks are taking. "My personal liberty allows me to impose my religious beliefs on you because I can. Freedom." wut?

[–]snaftyroot 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

that's bleed-over from the disenfranchised conservative right-wingers. these types of people are a perfect example of why unfettered libertarianism is terrifying

[–]andysayJedi 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

someone has a strawman engrained in their skull

I come across this a lot. I'm pretty sure that's what motivates our most obsessed trolls. Granted, a good many people in here don't help with some of their comments.

[–]beyond_hateFLAIR EDITED BECAUSE OF FBI AND SHIT 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

liberals these days are in no way liberal

They never were. They are illiberals.

[–]compaqle2202x 7ポイント8ポイント  (23子コメント)

This is great.

What inspired his temper tantrum?

[–]leonard_nimoy_online[S] 25ポイント26ポイント  (22子コメント)

I commented on his Bernie Sanders Facebook post. I commented that wealth creation isn't a zero-sum game. There is no pie. When viewed under that lens, most of Mr. Sander's "wealth distribution" and "fairness" ideologies are completely non-sensical. He got mad, called me entitled and greedy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–]SavesTheDy 22ポイント23ポイント  (14子コメント)

Duh. It's only greedy to want to keep your own money. It isn't greedy to force others to give you their money! /s

[–]antonivs -3ポイント-2ポイント  (13子コメント)

"Your own" money is not actually your own money. It's a share of societal wealth, and you have a debt to society for the support it provided you in collecting it.

[–]sightaggression 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

The debt to society you speak of was the time and effort put into earning that money.

[–]fitzdeplFree Thinker/Minarchist 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

tell him its even more greedy to believe hes entitled to other peoples money

[–]jubbergunContrarian 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

He got mad, called me entitled and greedy. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I love how the people who coined the phrase "fuck you, got mine" haven't yet realized that in their own vernacular their philosophy boils down to "fuck you, gimme yours." What's more immoral? Wanting to keep what you've earned or expecting a portion of someone else's earnings because "reasons?"

[–]I_Fuck_Milk 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not even necessarily wanting to keep what I earn. It's wanting to choose where it goes. If I choose to donate it all I should be able to.

[–]killzon32Anarcho-Syndicalist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dropped this \

[–]wellactuallyhmmit's not "left vs. right", it's state vs rights 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wealth creation doesn't need to be a zero sum game to recognize that the game is rigged. The problem isn't that some people have a lot, it's that there are numerous examples of them obtaining it by extracting money from the poor and working classes.

[–]L7ryAGheFF 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They can only "extract money" from the poor and working classes through voluntary exchange, government (legalized robbery and extortion), or illegal means. I would think the goal should be to maximize the first and minimize the other two.

[–]Mark-V-Shaney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Got it in 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/4fjykc/my_liberal_friend_is_offended_by_my/d29uf7w

[–]djblaze666 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I miss the classical meaning of liberal.

[–]Athoxancap 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm offended by "liberals" being allowed to consume the same air as me.

[–]Sympathy_for_the_FO 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That should be the new Democratic Party logo.

[–]automated_bot 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The background should be pink.

[–]MajorRollin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your liberal friend: "Oh, so it's ok to tread on your wallet? Fine by me!"

[–]lolnopound 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

My liberal friend is offended by my Libertarianism. I made him up.

FTFY

[–]PrincePound 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are about a thousand of these that are better replies. I'm working or I'd try to find some.

[–]bpg609 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

jesus christ, I bet your friend would have been one of those cucks who walked out on Professor Mankiw's class

You should show him Offended by Words - Doug Stanhope although it might trigger him in a coma

[–]dronemoderatorLibertalism 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A true liberal would agree with 50% if not more of the Libertarian platform.

[–]Quaternions -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

You forgot the apostrophe.