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[AskEurope]About recycling: 'A lot of people are against it, believe it or not; I've actually heard enforced recycling referred to as "Communism."' (np.reddit.com)

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[–]Tinie_SnipahTHIS POST ISN'T ABOUT AMERICA! QUICK SOMEBODY MENTION AMERICA!!! 25ポイント26ポイント  (28子コメント)

Wait a minute, standard garbage fees? They have to pay to use bins? I am confused...

[–]WhyArentIHigh 13ポイント14ポイント  (12子コメント)

That's what I came here for. WTF. You have to pay to get your garbage removed? That shit's fucked.

[–]Chubbs_McGavin 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm Australia we pay our local council rates (sort of like a tax I guess) and that pays for the Garbo's to come collect. It also pays for street sweeping, park maintenance, drain repairs - You know, all the general shit a local council looks after.

[–]Nomiss 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Except we get general waste, recycling, and green waste bins.

Council rates aren't what OP is referring. And if we want to take things to the dump it costs quite a bit per trailer load.

[–]Chubbs_McGavin 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well yeah but my point was that we do pay for Garbage collection. It's just not an itemised bill.

Guess I'm just saying I don't reckon it's a "WTF" sort of thing to pay for it

[–]Nomiss 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Garbage collection is part of living fees...

I can see why you missed it.

[–]Bobblefighterman 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't? My taxes have to pay for garbage men.

[–]reazonozaer 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Around here if you live in a house or small apartment you leave it by the side of the road and the city takes it. They charge you a monthly fee. If it's a business or large apartment the owner pays a private company to haul the trash. They typically charge by weight. If you live in one of the really small towns around here you haul your own trash.

[–]niamhish 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

In Ireland, you pay a private company to pick up your rubbish.

[–]ptar86Is it okay to learn a proper Irish accent and use it 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

But the recycling is collected for free

[–]counterrevolutionary 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Depends on the city. Some have fees. Some don't have (free) recycling.

[–]kangareagle 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Everyone pays to have garbage removed. It's either in your taxes or some other fees.

[–]Calagan 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I don't see how that is shocking honestly.

[–]vzzzbux 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Some businesses have to pay in the UK. My dad has to pay (despite also paying business rates) because his business is on an industrial estate, where residential rubbish lorries don't go, to collect the same types of waste. He's paying the same company who operates the normal collection lorries on behalf of the council.

This is for actual waste, I'm not sure if they collect recycling for free (ofc they do for residences)

[–]thelonious_bunk 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

"If we don't privatize this public service thats like... Communism!!!!"

[–]vishbarcan't dry, won't dry 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

In the UK we pay council tax, it's essentially the same.

[–]vj_c 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Except council tax pays for a myriad of other services too. Everything from libraries to road sweepers and there's usually a component that goes on police & fire too (that last part is actually itemised on the bill if you live in a unitary authority as they have to contract it in from the county council, at least where I live). It's not a separate levy specially for waste collection.

Having said that, my council has started charging for collecting garden waste, and has always refused to take particularly large items, as both are expensive to transport separately - but you can take them to the local tip yourself for free.

[–]vishbarcan't dry, won't dry 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

So? It's not really any different, it's just a matter of how they're charged. In the US (well, depending on the municipality) there's simply a separate tax for waste collection and a municipal tax for fire/police/etc.

[–]vj_c 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Where does that line of thinking stop? A separate tax for libraries, another for street cleaners and third for upkeep of council buildings as well? Sure, itemise these things on the bill if you must, but collecting it all separately is wildly inefficient IMO. But then so is having every tiny hamlet have varying sales tax rates and minimum wages; must be a nightmare for larger employers.

[–]Tinie_SnipahTHIS POST ISN'T ABOUT AMERICA! QUICK SOMEBODY MENTION AMERICA!!! 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Isn't that like saying our health care is the same because ours we pay for via taxes and theirs they pay for at point of service? Dunno to me it seems weird to have private contracts for weekly waste removal

[–]vishbarcan't dry, won't dry 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Isn't that like saying our health care is the same because ours we pay for via taxes and theirs they pay for at point of service?

There are so many issues with that analogy. It's not really applicable at all to this situation.

It doesn't have to do with a private contract, it's just a different way to pay for bins. It depends on the municipality, but when I lived in the US, you could pay extra tax for a larger bin, or less for a smaller one. It's just the difference between paying an extra £20 on your council vs paying £20 in a separate payment.

[–]JebusGobsonEurofag Extraordinaire! 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

In Belgium the garbagemen only pick up government-issue garbage bags and recycling bags, so a lot of garbage collection is financed by the price of those bags.

It's a fair way to fund it really, the more garbage you produce the more you pay into the collection that way.

[–]vishbarcan't dry, won't dry 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

It varies by municipality in the States, but I think San Francisco has a decent system: you pay monthly depending on the size of your garbage bags bins, but you get recycling or compost bins for free.

[–]JebusGobsonEurofag Extraordinaire! 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Since recycling is enforced here you don't need the added incentive of free recycling bags - plus, recyclable waste is still waste.

Also, how do they keep tabs on the size of your bags? Do they measure them at each trash collection or something?

[–]vishbarcan't dry, won't dry 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're bins, not bags, and you get them directly from the city council. Recycling is enforced as well--again, you have a separate hard-sided bin for the recyclable waste. You "buy" (e.g. pay taxes for) it from the council, so they only collect from that bin. If you have extra stuff, you get warned or fined. Recycling is mandatory in SF as well (not sure about elsewhere).

EDIT: I realize I said "bags" earlier--in fairness, I hadn't had my coffee yet.

[–]Exubius 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

How do you get your garbage picked up? For free?

[–]Tinie_SnipahTHIS POST ISN'T ABOUT AMERICA! QUICK SOMEBODY MENTION AMERICA!!! 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Government does it, and while it isn't free, it's a tax that everyone pays regardless. That way it doesn't discriminate on certain houses or locations

[–]Exubius -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

That way it doesn't discriminate on certain houses or locations

Yet, it kinda does. People in an apartment complex are paying more per capita for the same amount of service a mansion gets.

Are you for flat income tax as well? Property tax?

[–]pepperboon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, you don't pay to use bins, you pay for the service of taking it away regularly.

In Hungary, we just think of it as one of the utility bills, like for electricity, heating, water, sewer use, garbage transport etc.

[–]FermentedFupaFungusAM I BEING DETAINED?! ™ 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

a lot of people are against it

.. why?

referred to as "communism"

Oh, so bullshit reason..

[–]PopeGregoryIX 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

a lot of people are against it .. why?

Because they have to pay extra for it.

[–]FermentedFupaFungusAM I BEING DETAINED?! ™ 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

No, yhe I get that. It was more the communism anecdote. The red scare has made it all the way down to recycling. Can you imagine, putting metal in a separate container?! Might a well overthrow the 'guberment and gulag the bourgeois while they're at it!

[–]EmperorXenu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Forced recycling = worker ownership of the means of production

[–]PopeGregoryIX 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's that they believe that "forcing" people to do something for the good of the community is somehow evil and instead people should be able to make their own personal choice to help their community even if, 90% of the time, they won't.

[–]yankbotEnglish motherfucker! Do you speak it? 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Pledge of Allegiance is meant to teach students from the youngest age that their loyalties and allegiances must be towards America. I don't understand what's brainwash-y about that.

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[–]dIGITAL_cLARKE 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy shit, I never thought stating a simple fact of life in the US would get this kind of reaction.

To clarify, there is a large percentage of people here in the US who think paying taxes to have the government provide a service, as opposed to paying a private company (which usually costs more) to provide said service, is a form of Communism/Socialism.

I'm not saying I agree with those sentiments, I'm just relaying the facts.