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Islam isn't the only problem, it's race (self.european)

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Whilst I agree that Islam is incompatible to the Western world, I think Arabs and Africans are incapable of assimilating into Western society, nor should we care about them. Sure there could be individuals who break that generalization, but why spend time and resources on foreigners instead of locals.

African Americans took generations to civilize, no country should be willingly wanting to undertake a burden like that.

In Australia we have these arabs/africans in our country, I do not hate them, but to me they should be improving their own countries, rather than just fleeing to the West.

The culture and genetics of Arabs/Africans are incompatible with the Western world.

I have no problem living with Indians, Asians(non-muslim), African Americans, Hispanics or Whites, but the blind humanitarianism must stop.

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[–]au7342 33ポイント34ポイント  (14子コメント)

What people don't realize is that while yes, people from Africa have black skin, it is the hundreds of other biological and genetic traits, along with cultural practices, that prevent them from thriving within western cultures. For instance, they could all be white skinned but still have the cultural, biological, and behavioral tendencies of Africans.

[–]myndzhaEuropean Union 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

Often in American news i see something about some young black kid wanting to do something and then his family start attacking him for "being a house nigger" and "active white". Under enough pressure the young kids crumble and turn into dindu nuttins, the cultural problem is very real. Mind you, American blacks are probably the best kind. The ones coming from African are waste of space completely for the most part.

[–]diversity_is_racism 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are a lot of good people among the Africans. They tend to cluster toward the middle and upper classes. You rarely see them because they are not causing problems.

However, that does not change the fact: each race needs its own space. Diversity makes enemies of us. Without diversity, there is no racism.

[–]Le_German_FaceSarcasm and Ironic statements won't be explained 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

that prevent them from thriving within western cultures.

This notion implies that there was any pressure or need for them to live among us and therefore a need to "thrive". The only "western" nation that ever imported masses of Blacks against their will was the USA. The only ones with a responsibility towards Blacks.

[–]diversity_is_racism 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Those were sold by their own people and can be repatriated without guilt, although I suggest reparations to give them a healthy start.

[–]oellebroed 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

I wonder what the differences between Middle-Easteners and North Africans are. And then even there, you have the Berbers (who enrich many ghetto's in Western Europe) and Bedouins (human-looking devils) and Iranians who seem to be pretty smart and civilized people (leaving aside their leadership). And Iranians are apparently even the same race as Afghans. Both countries used to be almost European like a few decades ago, so maybe that all of their educated people left when shit hit the fan.

[–]diversity_is_racism 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your average Iranian is a typical middle easterner: cunning bazaar table operators with low ethical standards.

[–]uncle_tomfooleryGibraltar 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

What do you mean by almost European?

They are basically tanned Europeans because of the climate.

[–]matix002Poland 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Iranians (Persians) are Indo-European people and Persian is an Indo-European language.

[–]HugodeCrevellier 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

'people from Africa have black skin'

Yeah, but that's the only thing they have in common with each other, which is furthermore a feature they also share with many other peoples ... Oceania's Aborigines, Indians/Pakistanis etc.

[–]diversity_is_racism 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

There are different races in Africa. Sub-saharan blacks are distinct from Ethiopians and then the mixed groups from North Africa.

[–]HugodeCrevellier 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Indeed, there exist specific Africans who are genetically closer to all non-Africans than to other Africans.

Of all the lineages present in Africa only the female descendants of one lineage, mtDNA haplogroup L3, are found outside Africa. If there had been several migrations, one would expect descendants of more than one lineage to be found outside Africa. L3's female descendants, the M and N haplogroup lineages, are found in very low frequencies in Africa (although haplogroup M1 populations are very ancient and diversified in North and Northeast Africa) and appear to be more recent arrivals. A possible explanation is that these mutations occurred in East Africa shortly before the exodus and became the dominant haplogroups after the exodus from Africa through the founder effect.

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[–]diversity_is_racism 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Good find. You might enjoy /r/HBD (human biodiversity)

[–]HugodeCrevellier 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks, subscribing to it now, cheers!

[–]WN_1488 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Europe is the homeland of Europeans and I wish for it to remain European. The culture of non-Europeans, their capability of assimilation, genetics or behavior is irrelevant to me.

[–]pseudomaro 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Culture is largely a product of biology (i.e. race).

So people like civic nationalists who ignore race and only care about culture will end up with a society both of a different race and different culture.

[–]Evil_white_oppressorIreland 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

African Americans took generations to civilized

Implying they are civilized.

[–]tisnp 9ポイント10ポイント  (11子コメント)

You've just made the shittiest argument possible. I'm open to unpopular views, but frankly you have literally nothing to back your argument with other than 'they took so long to civilize'.

Formulate a better argument and come back.

[–]lorettasscarsGermany 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

How about this one, Sherlock: ever heard of race riots in Japan? No? How about the US? Hmm? Give me one fucking reason why we should sqander away ojr ethnic homogeneity and I'll kiss a Nigger's ass.

Asking infertile European countries to take in more foreigners is akin to asking a hospital to take in more healthy patients to bring down mortality rates.

[–]gummzIceland 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

Riddle me this: Why has there never been any progress in Africa? Even in South Africa, things quickly went to shit when the hordes of blacks invaded. Same with Zimbabwe. They drove the whites out, things went to shit OH I WONDER WHY, now they want them back.

Pathetic piece of shit race.

[–]Eat_The_MuffinUnited Kingdom 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

It's a tough climate to live in and food production is more difficult. Without reliable food sources you can't grow your population enough.

Limited fossil fuels, they only have them in a few of the countries. You need those to get industry properly going.

Not much wood since most of it's just dry open fields compared to the natural western countryside of oak forests covering the entire country. You need wood for everything really when you are starting off.

[–]G_PetroniusRedpilling Memer Supreme 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a tough climate to live in

same average temperatures as South America, India, North Austrialia, Indonesia, South-East Asia

same average annual precipation as the above

food production is more difficult

soil fertility is no worse than Germany and much better than Scandivania

Without reliable food sources you can't grow your population enough.

Africa's population has exploded over the past few decades, the continent is overpopulated if anything.

Limited fossil fuels, they only have them in a few of the countries. You need those to get industry properly going.

Italy has practically no fossil fuel and never had. 7th largest economy in the world.

Not much wood since most of it's just dry open fields

pretty much same situation as in Europe. Sub Saharan Africa isn't dry, it's equatorial and quite humid.

Were you serious with this or where you trying to play devil's advocate? Africa is environmentally fantastic, mild and stable climate, good precipitation, abundant natural resources (we colonized it for a reason). The environment is not what's stopping Africa from developing.

[–]cover20United States of America 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's full of natural resources. The Chinese are willing to make significant investments to get at those resources. They've been there all along for the natives to take much easier though.

Many parts of Africa have a wonderful climate for farming. How many farmers in Canada can only dream of such weather?

You cannot seriously say Africa itself is the reason it has not been developed.

[–]Eat_The_MuffinUnited Kingdom 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Natural resources like valuable metals that don't help a country develop

[–]gummzIceland 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's bullshit, the only successful farmers in Zimbabwe were white. When they were driven out, everything went to shit. Why is that?

[–]Eat_The_MuffinUnited Kingdom -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Were they the only ones trained in modern agriculture? If you don't know how to operate a farm and all the machinery then you are screwed.

[–]BladeStrikesVlad the Impaler - best Romanian diplomat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Were they the only ones trained in modern agriculture?

Why didn't African nations train their own farmers? Oh wait...

If you don't know how to operate a farm and all the machinery then you are screwed.

Why didn't african know how to operate farms? Oh wait...

[–]gummzIceland -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why did they not learn? They had a hundred years.

[–]Kingpink2Italy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

yup

[–]gingernut97England 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, they clearly are if my country's migrant families from the 50s any indication. Religion and culture are the main reasons for a lack of integration into a country you've migrated into, as shown by nth generation migrants. Race/genetics is hardly a cause for incompatibility, Islam is often the cause for this.

[–]cover20United States of America 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How many blacks do you have in your country. By the way, until there's a critical mass, many problems don't manifest.

[–]IdeaGhostPortugal 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hold i rather dark view of reality, i think we are mostly the expressions of our genes, yes there is some bending space but today it seems people like to believe that we have 100% room for change, i don't think we do at least not easily.

I find it really hard for people that very selectively use the race/genetics argument, different skin color? genetics, dumb as fuck? poor education, can run fast? genetics, can't live in a peaceful society? opressed.

It's really annoying.

[–]cover20United States of America 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Getting rid of affirmative action would make this much less of a problem. Then market forces would lead people into roles according to their abilities. If one found a black person in an intellectually demanding role, one would naturally assume they were qualified, because they didn't get a special advantage due to race.

Affirmative action is a reason that population diversity has such big economic costs. Basically, once they arrive, you have to treat them as special and as better than they are. Who needs it!

[–]LexTheZThe German Empire 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

The answer is simple: Make racism cool again!

[–]Evil_white_oppressorIreland 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Make racism great again

[–]Ilema06 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have no problem living with Indians, Asians(non-muslim), African Americans, Hispanics or Whites

Fuck off, cuck. I'd take a based Levantine like Assad over publicly defecating shitskins (Indians) any time. All geneticists before Feminist PC culture considered them white.

[–]ScheissMods 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Also the problem is the PC culture and the leftist Marxist.

[–]diversity_is_racism 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How about just "Leftism in general"?

What has Leftism done from Europe, other than plunge it into decline?

[–]traderguy1173 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I disagree. I have black friends that are awesome. They are not Muslims, they hate Muslims.

[–]cover20United States of America 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Have we succeeded with African Americans? They remain a drain on the economy, a clique demanding special benefits and often discriminating against whites. So even "success" is better than not having the problem in the first place. And I don't notice any benefits to this "enrichment".

[–]diversity_is_racism 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Diversity of any form does not work and leads to totalitarianism.

[–]ReachForASkybox -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh.....

.......

Well, TIL r/European is exactly as bad as I heard it was.

[–]benisserAustria 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then fuck off

[–]BigdickedelfTexas 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

TIL that you live in a fantasy world.

[–]HugodeCrevellier -3ポイント-2ポイント  (17子コメント)

The thing about racism is that it's only very generally indicative. The human brain/mind is a very adaptable thing. You can teach someone to pilot a jet, whose father grew up climbing trees in the Amazon. Furthermore, since a person cannot change one's race, when you take race into account in terms of rights and privileges, you are (and here's the important part) necessarily limiting the future prospects of a whole lot of children who could (theoretically at least) grow up to be awesome members of your society.

As an example, compare and contrast, GW Bush, whose ancestry could hardly be any better (at least for a colonial) and whose father was himself a US President and who came from decent European blood ... and Barack Hussein Obama, a half African (actually African ... no 'generations to civilise') and half of a rather unremarkable European ancestry.

Guess which of the two was a mass-murdering moron and which one did fairly a decent job presiding over the USA ... relatively speaking of course.

Islam on the other hand is different in that it's an ideology.

You can choose to follow ... or not! ... the moronic commands of that oppressively barbaric religious ideology.

[–]donkey_democrat 6ポイント7ポイント  (11子コメント)

Race, and therefore, IQ, is a very good indicator as to how well an individual will perform in a society. Because IQ is tied to race, race can then be used to predict someone's ability to do well.

[–]diversity_is_racism 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The question is not individuals, but groups. Race indicates an IQ span, statistically, but does not predict individual IQ. However, two groups cannot occupy the same space, even if they have similar IQ spans.

[–]The_JuanTrueKaiser 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

IQ, is a very good indicator as to how well an individual will perform in a society

False. IQ does not say anything about an individual beyond how well they did on the tasks presented in test. People can improve their IQ score through practice. A friend of mine got an IQ of 131 on his last try but he still absolutely sucks at Pre-Calculus and Statistics. There is no agreed upon method of measuring intelligence.

[–]cover20United States of America 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If he had 140 he would probably do better. As it is he should work hard.

[–]G_PetroniusRedpilling Memer Supreme 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

IQ does not say anything about an individual beyond how well they did on the tasks presented in test.

Here's a summary of research on IQ and life outcomes. It's one of the best predictors of school and job performance, crime, income, educational attainment.

A friend of mine got an IQ of 131 on his last try but he still absolutely sucks at Pre-Calculus and Statistics.

"My anecdote disproves copious amounts of research. Believing this also makes me qualified to speak of intelligence".

[–]HugodeCrevellier -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Even assuming that there is a strong IQ-'race' correlation, let me nonetheless repeat that ...

'... since a person cannot change one's race, when you take race into account in terms of rights and privileges, you are (and here's the important part) necessarily limiting the future prospects of a whole lot of children who could (theoretically at least) grow up to be awesome members of your society'.

You see, I'm not so sure that forcing people like Obama, deGrasse Tyson or Powell away from achievement would have been beneficial to the USA for example.

There's something to be said for diversity and multiculturalism. When in 2012, I happened to watch the 'Kennedy Center Honors' honouring a black Bluesman, Buddy Guy, a Russian Natalia Makarova, a Jew Dustin Hoffman and the British band 'Led Zeppelin' ... as I was watching the multi-ethnic guests, including the black president (even blacker first lady) ... I momentarily forgot all about their constant disastrous foreign policy mistakes and had to exclaim:

'The USA have come a long way ... and there's something to be said for what they're trying to do ... it might indeed be worthy of admiration'.

Excerpt of the event in question ... it's well worth watching that whole particular rendition of 'Stairway To Heaven' by the way.

[–]cover20United States of America 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

deGrasse Tyson is a great example. If he were white he would have simply been failed out of his first physics doctoral program. As it was, his committee was afraid to do that and sort of ambiguously disbanded instead. This enabled him to transfer to another department that was convinced to award him the degree with a dissertation that sounds about right for a master's degree. He then went straight into administrative positions where he would never actually have to do physics. He's good at what he does, much better than he was at physics research. I think he should have gone straight into the public relations role, without granting a PhD that doesn't (in my opinion) reflect the profession's standards for the degree.

However there is an exception. Sylvester James Gates Jr. is a real physicist.

If we didn't have affirmative action, we would more efficiently sort people into the appropriate roles, and people would not look askance at blacks in professional roles as being probably less qualified. Because they would know those people met the same standards as everyone else.

[–]HugodeCrevellier 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No doubt that affirmative action has something 'racist'/condescending about it.

And choosing deGrasse Tyson as a kind of everyone's science-spokesperson had undoubtedly something to do with that. However, I've heard speak and he's not just smart enough for that role but seems at times brilliant at it. I've especially enjoyed, ironically perhaps, his take on intelligence.

I just hope you're not being unfair with your narrative of his career path ... but even if you aren't, no huge harm has been done.

[–]G_PetroniusRedpilling Memer Supreme 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

You see, I'm not so sure that forcing people like Obama, deGrasse Tyson or Powell away from achievement would have been beneficial to the USA for example.

It's not about the incredibly small number of top black minds, it's about the incredibly large number of blacks with IQs squarely below the mental retardation threshold. Ridding of America of those would have far, far more than repaid for giving up the dubious advantages of having Obama or Powell (and deGrasse Tyson is popular, but let's not bullshit each other about his being of any historical importance).

[–]HugodeCrevellier 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I understand that.

The thing is that I also understand that implementing cast systems and/or racist policies will cause unacceptable injustices. There has to be a better way that to divide societies along racial lines. And having everyone be equal before the law is a (only slightly perhaps but still) better way.

What I will grant you, is that it's the 'Western' world that struggles with this kind of ethical dilemma. In the Middle East, Africa and Asia, they're quite content having cast systems and even slavery (yes, today!)

As someone recently said: The white man is not the one who invented slavery ... he's the one who abolished it.

[–]G_PetroniusRedpilling Memer Supreme 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't know who you're talking with, because I haven't argued for a caste system or racist policies. If you ask me, the first and main thing to be done is to stop taking immigration from non-Western countries.

[–]HugodeCrevellier 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, I'm still keeping with OP's original point ... that race is a much of a problem as culture/ideology. It isn't. To get an idea of this you need to realise that if you told an ancient Helene or even a Roman that the unwashed cannibalistic, half-naked, hut-dwelling barbarians, wearing war paints to battle etc. who lived in Brittany beyond Hadrian's wall or the Northern countries ... would one day consider themselves as civilised as (if not more than) the Graeco-Romans, they would have burst out laughing.

Now, I do agree that we need to seriously reduce immigration from non-Western countries and to examine why and how many should be welcomed into Europe. And we certainly need to stop calling what are clearly economic immigrants 'refugees' ... mostly fighting-age men, likely deserters, who're out of any danger zones in any case. They certainly stopped being refugees once they started travelling all the way to far away Europe from places where they were already perfectly safe ... just because they like Europe's level of civilisation and its social services.

[–]lorettasscarsGermany 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Oh come on. Go read a book, would you? Ever heard of a bell curve? Of course there are a few high IQ blacks. The average IQ is what we are talking about however. It's completely ridiculous to accept countless of physiological differences between the races like skin colour, average height, lactose tolerance and so on... and than deny neurological differences. Don't you wonder why the NBA is 90% black or why the noble committee has a hard on for Jews?

[–]The_JuanTrueKaiser -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ever heard of a bell curve?

I think he has. There is still no link between haplogroup frequency/ancestry and intelligence. Black, white, Asian, and Hispanic are not genetic terms.

[–]EVERYTHING_RUINED 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then why do these groups fall out of N-way clustering of genomic markers? Of course these groups are genetically meaningful. The left has done a tremendous disservice to science by outright misleading people about objective facts of reality.

[–]cover20United States of America 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The link has been well established. There's a book conveniently named "The Bell Curve" that discusses evidence that establishes it beyond any reasonable doubt.

[–]diversity_is_racism 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

who could (theoretically at least) grow up to be awesome members of your society

Theory is bullshit unless backed up by historical examples. Why didn't they do this in their home countries?

[–]uncle_tomfooleryGibraltar -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Of course,

Muslim Indonesians don't cause problems, only Arab do. They feel entitled as fuck.

[–]WN_1488 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are wrong about indonesians, they are just as savage-like as the rest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Indonesia#List_of_attacks

And regardless of all of that, they are still nonwhites.

[–]TheSecretOfNIMBLE -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Immigration policies in western countries was designed to take the best and brightest from these countries and bring them into modern civilization.

Not the dumbest and poorest. They can't assimilate. Our society requires a base level of intellect, competence, self control, ambition and integrity to thrive.

The reason we are countries without bars on our windows and walls around our homes is because they stopped being necessary.

[–]BladeStrikesVlad the Impaler - best Romanian diplomat -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have no problem living with Indians, Asians(non-muslim), African Americans, Hispanics

Cuckold detected.

If you have no problem how about you get the fuck out of Europe and move in their nations?