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ELI5 - Reclaim Harvard Law (self.LawSchool)

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[–]terms_of_servic -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

1) Historical reasons -- meh. Yeah, it's a problem, but I think it's way overstated. Blacks are still poorer than whites, which can lead to worse education outcomes -> less likely to get good LSAT score, but that could be entirely fixed by a socioeconomic-based affirmative action program. It's not necessary to explicitly take into consideration race, much less sex.

2) I don't know how you could quantify pressure, so I can neither agree nor disagree with you on that point. It may be possible, I don't know. However, I would guess that it is very much self selection, given that men, when they have a kid, tend to choose to work more hours -> make more money. It's not as though the men are suddenly pressured into working more hours.

3) My general point was that diversity is silly to address because the lack of diversity, both racially and gender-based is self-selection. And no amount of social engineering can fix African-American culture or women's general evolutionary makeup valuing becoming a doctor/lawyer/engineer less than whites/men. Especially if this research is true. The question of whether addressing it (if possible) would have positive impacts on the world is open in my mind.

[–]Mral1nger 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well I think we can see that we disagree and that it's unlikely for either of us to change our minds.

I do want to mention a couple of things, but feel free to ignore. These are not related to your bullet points:

1) Diversity can be a goal in its own right because it can make an organization stronger than one that is more uniform. A lot of people think of affirmative action and diversity-related programming as being meant to redress some harm done to individuals, but many organizations now champion diversity because of the positives it can have for the organization as a whole and for the majority.

2) While there certainly is a degree of self-selection, there's also a different set of social forces acting on people. As you mentioned, men often work more hours after they have a kid; I think there is a pressure there to work harder to provide for your family now that you have a child. But there's a different pressure for women after having a kid, which is to find a way to spend more time at home. You might think there's something fundamental/biological about men that makes them work more or women that makes them try to be home more, but I think a large part of it is social.

3) I think both the ideas of "African-American culture" and "women's general evolutionary makeup" that you have alluded to are misguided, and I think this is where we truly disagree. Both of these seem to be a form of essentialism, a line of thought I thoroughly disagree with when it comes to humans (and groups of humans). Because of the clear philosophical divide here, I imagine there's no need to continue discussing this.