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[–]Wyoming44 297ポイント298ポイント  (109子コメント)

The guy is clueless. It's unbelievable how people think that just because someone is rich/famous, their opinion on something must be correct. They live a totally different life and probably have less insight on political situations than the average person

[–]xJSxNJ 122ポイント123ポイント  (25子コメント)

This. They don't have to deal with the problems mass immigration brings because they're so rich. They live in their gated communities segregated from working class people. The rich are in favor of bringing in refugees because it makes them look compassionate even though they won't deal with the crime/rape themselves while many Americans will.

[–]DumbScribblyUnctiousVA 83ポイント84ポイント  (13子コメント)

Same statement is true in regards to gun control laws.

[–]theorymeltfoolGA 51ポイント52ポイント  (5子コメント)

[–]OrderAmongChaosUSA 38ポイント39ポイント  (2子コメント)

"Pfft, why do these peasants all want to buy guns? Why don't they just hire bodyguards like normal people?"

[–]MincedHuman -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

To be fair, your kids couldn't be used as bargaining chips if they were captured by someone wishing to extort one of the most powerful people in the world.

[–]theorymeltfoolGA -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But they could be killed en masse because there's no one around with guns to stop them.

[–]mk81 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same is true generally. It's elites vs. the rest. The people that buy into the left/right divide just enable them.

[–]gatsncrap 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yup. Motherfuckers arent taking my firearms...the only way youre getting from me, is if my ak's 75 round drum is empty, the rifle is steaming hot and im dead. Fuck you liberal cucklords.

[–]xunafish 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is why it'll never happen. Open civil war.

[–]MincedHuman -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

While the military and rich observe from the sidelines.

[–]xunafish -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you think the rank and file of our military would ever side with anyone but the people you are sorely mistaken.

[–]MincedHuman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm in the military. The active duty aren't allowed to participate in the sort of thing you described, sorry that you were unaware of that. Did I say they would be siding with the rich? No, I stated they would be observing from the sidelines. There's a difference between not participating and siding with the rich.

[–]Xenu_RulerofUniverse 28ポイント29ポイント  (5子コメント)

That's true but people shouldn't ignore the economics.

Illegal immigration => higher demand for houses => prices go up even more => who owns the houses? BINGO

Illegal immigration => higher supply of workers => lower wages => who profits? BINGO

[–]highonn4mation 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

How do we stop this BINGO man?

[–]xJSxNJ 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Definitely. Often times people will write off the economic impact.

[–]Mikal_ScottCA 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you meant higher supply of workers, not jobs

[–]jko831WI 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Illegal immigration => higher supply of jobs => lower wages => who profits? BINGO

FTFY

[–]richmomzTX 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

The rich are in favor of bringing in refugees because it makes them look compassionate

Compassion has little to do with it - it's all about keeping labor costs and wages down.

[–]xJSxNJ 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mainly speaking on rich celebrities who speak on the issue. For them it's more about public image.

[–]polakfuryPOL 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can we get this post sticked somewhere!

[–]XDforlife -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

nah not really, it's just some of the rich are sjw types and are really vocal

i know or have talked to plenty of rich people, a couple even 'super rich', and a lot of them aren't pro illegal immigration or anything

and then on the other hand, he almost has to say nothing or that he is pro illegals because (1) he is given directives from the government and/or (2) so much of his userbase would cry like babies if he said he thinks illegal immigration is illegal.

remember when he said he would only eat what he kills or some shit, and posted a pic of him with something that he hunted and it was mainstream news for weeks with so much outrage?

[–]Sdom1IL 47ポイント48ポイント  (27子コメント)

His story has a big old scoop of "right place, right time" on top. He didn't even have the original idea for facebook, he got that from the Winklevoss bros. I have to wonder what he'd be doing now if they hadn't gone to his dorm room that day.

[–]Darth_Sin 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

Someone needs to get the Flash to run back in time to prevent the Winklevoss bros from entering Cuckerberg's room.

[–]Sound-the-TRUMPets -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Get the Flash to make them enter my room but make the Flash stick around in case they try to fuck me or something

[–]ex_nihilo 18ポイント19ポイント  (8子コメント)

It's too bad they weren't smart enough to make their idea a reality. The number of "idea men" who think they have thought up the next big thing is enormous. Those jokers are a dime a dozen. Maybe if they'd put in the legwork instead of trying to hire a "nerd", they'd have made Facebook.

This is the real world. Your ideas aren't worth the paper they're written on.

[–]sandr0EU -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

I guess you don't have many useful ideas?

You can spin your post arround, why do you think big companies and countries have think tanks? Because they need ideas. Everyone can be a goon that just "does things" without purpose or direction like Cuckerberg.

[–]ex_nihilo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

An idea poses no risk whatsoever. What "idea guys" represent is rent-seeking behavior without any of the risk. When I buy a piece of real estate, or a share of stock, I am putting my capital on the line in hopes that I can turn a profit. If you think you have a good idea, find someone you can trust to implement it and draw up your agreement in writing. Even better, put up some of your own capital to finance the creation of that idea. Otherwise you're just another leech.

[–]ex_nihilo -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I do, but I take and implement them. Is this not /r/The_Donald? Is a man not entitled to the product of the sweat of his brow?

I'll quote a line from The Social Network (it takes artistic license with the facts of the story, I know): "If you could have made Facebook, you would have made Facebook."

I have been in this position before. I designed a piece of software for another person's idea, and he tried to shaft me. He didn't want 50/50, he didn't even want to accept 80/20. He wanted ALL of it. When I'd done all the work. Because it was "his idea". He had the software I'd designed in his possession already, so he didn't need me anymore, right? Wrong. The software I designed was to auto-post to Craigslist so that he could profit by spamming it with his ads. I'm friends with a few engineers at CL, I sent an email to their work addresses with the specific footprints of my software so that they could add it to their automatic filters. Within 4 hours he was completely shut down. Lesson here: Don't fuck with nerds. I changed my software, re-negotiated contracts with the ad companies and continued to profit while idea boy went back to his job working for Geek Squad at Best Buy.

[–]Sdom1IL -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

So, what does that have to do with Zuckerberg's success being due in part to chance? What I'm saying is that he's not a genius like some of the Silicon Valley guys are. Go compare him to Musk or Brin or Khosla, etc.

I wasn't saying that the Winklevoss's were geniuses or anything, just giving the example of chance.

[–]ex_nihilo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The people you listed are all examples of right place, right time as well. Zuckerberg is no less (or more) a genius than any of them.

[–]gvivalover -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

The legwork would be learning to code over years.

They should have hired a non-college student who would be less likely to steal their idea.

[–]ex_nihilo 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The legwork would be learning to code over years.

Try months for a simple Perl script with a MySQL DB backend, which was how facebook started out.

But exactly! The Winklevosses (Winklevi?) could have spent their time learning actual skills instead of circlejerking with their frat buddies.

[–]gvivalover 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

... hmmm ok you're one of those guys.

[–]goonsackUSA 6ポイント7ポイント  (10子コメント)

I really hope bitcoin takes off big because then the Winks will have the last laugh. They have a huge position in bitcoin.

[–]Der_Baba 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Let's hope rich people get even richer!

[–]bloodfoxtrueCHN 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well I suppose, let's just hope the 'right' rich people get richer ;)

[–]Cross_of_Coronado 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

As someone who currently holds 4.02 Bitcoins, I agree

[–]Mikal_ScottCA 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Last I heard they own 100,000 bitcoins.

[–]goonsackUSA 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

That sounds right. Just so everyone knows, that's close to 0.5% of the total number of bitcoins that will ever be created.

[–]Monkey_Scrotum_Fever 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

What's the dollar value of 1 bitcoin today?

[–]applereviewguy 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

$430

[–]charliegearbox -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

How crazy is it to buy a computer using the money created by a computer. I always wonder what the electricity cost per coin is.

[–]elmosworld37CA 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

But the money's value is created by humans :)

[–]applereviewguy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I used to mine, it's a lot. You can't really mine bitcoin's any more, you need a megafactory for that.

[–]sheepscum77 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably doing software development for a quarter million a year.

[–]FaceBergCA -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Einstein didn't come up with the theory of relativity, Zuckerberg stole the facebook idea. There is a pattern going on.

[–]ex_nihilo 20ポイント21ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's unbelievable how people think that just because someone is rich/famous, their opinion on something must be correct.

The lack of self-awareness in this subreddit is just plain staggering sometimes. It beggars belief.

[–]Wyoming44 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Where did I exclude Trump from that statement? I've said it earlier, it goes both ways.

[–]ex_nihilo 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Fair enough. FWIW he's the least repugnant Republican to me and he'll certainly get my vote over Hillary or the rat-faced theocrat.

[–]FerrumFistMN 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Kasich is repugnant?

[–]ex_nihilo 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I should have said Republicans who have a shot. I actually like Kasich best of the Republican field.

[–]ThelemaAndLouise 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also, it's hilarious that people will criticize Donald Trump, who has worked on building sites as a routine part of his life, as out of touch, and then turn around and praise the insight of Zucky and Clooney. Lololol

[–]12Mucinexes 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You could literally be talking about Trump here.

[–]Mr_Zarika 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

Seriously. So the guy knows about computers.

Does that make him qualified to say ANYTHING about politics or national policy?

NO.

[–]XDforlife 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

you don't need to know anything or have qualifications to say anything about politics or national policy. not at all

actually, in todays world, you really don't need to know shit about the most basic parts of what you're doing to still be 'qualified'

in fact, you don't even have to know fuck all to 'write' legislation and get it passed. you've got senators like this fucking retard making laws, dumbasses like this dumbass cop who has their magazine in backwards, another genius lawmaker expert on guns writing laws, and too many clips of 'senator' carl levin talking about the financial industry like he knows anything

so what do you need to have an important voice that changes things for everyone else? a big soapbox or put in a position of power. that's pretty much it.

[–]Mr_Zarika 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm starting to like the more merit based system in China's government.

Yeh, you don't really get to elect anyone, but you're guaranteed to have people who know how to run the place.

[–]Str8tuptrollinCA 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is he clueless or his he a globalists that doesn't give a fuck and wants social approval among his rich friends?

[–]iactuallygiveadamn 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're voting for Trump. Do u not see any irony in your statement?

[–]L0ading_ 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

... And Trump is poor and unknown? You just shot yourself in the foot.

[–]Wyoming44 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I never said that, did I? There are people who support Trump simply because of his wealth and popularity as well. Do you have pliers? We gotta get that bullet out of your foot

[–]L0ading_ -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

They live a totally different life and probably have less insight on political situations than the average person

I think we can agree Trump is not part of the ''average person'' group. What argument would you have that Trump is not as clueless? The idea of a 2000 miles wall costing over 14 billion USD sounds pretty clueless, especially when you know Mexican are already digging tunnels to smuggle drugs in, or you know... that they have ropes and ladders. But he's rich and outrageous so he must know what he's talking about right?
Yes I do have plier, would you like them? Seems like you would need a pair!

[–]DumbScribblyUnctiousVA 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

especially when you know Mexican are already digging tunnels to smuggle drugs in

And they're doing it almost exclusive in Nogales, AZ so the stretch of the border that would need relevant countermeasures is only 40 miles wide.

[–]Wyoming44 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you're misunderstanding me.

I've been completely impartial as to whether Trump belongs in this category or not, so I don't know why you're asking me to defend his politics. I'm sure you could find someone's argument as to why Trump isn't clueless, as well as another argument to why Zuckerberg isn't clueless. That is where subjectivity comes into play.

The entire point of my original comment: I don't like that society puts these celebrities on a pedestal and holds their opinions at a higher level than others who are usually more informed/experienced. Also, I think Zuckerberg is a selfish loser.

[–]StumpapedeFL 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

All he ever did was rip off Myspace

[–]pickajoAnyJo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

tl;dr exactly how the rest of the world see D. Trump

[–]Enterice -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

This opinion coming from a Trump supporter eh.

"Unbelievable how many people think he's right just because he's rich/famous"

Fantastic.

[–]FerrumFistMN -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mark Cuckerberg is a known SJW so his opinion doesn't count. The only rich and famous people's opinions that can be trusted are the people who don't care if they come off as offensive or racist, as long as they are speaking the truth that I agree with.

[–]MickeyNicholson -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It honestly took me a while to realize if you were talking about Zuckerberg or Trump

[–]OSsloth -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

He has never stated that his opinion is correct. It's just an opinion of his, one that he shares with other human beings. Like you and I do right now.

[–]Wyoming44 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It doesn't matter if he is correct or not. My point was that some folks hold the opinions of famous people to a higher value for the wrong reasons. It can be said for Zuck's supporters, as well as some Trump supporters

[–]ReadyThor -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm laughing my ass off reading this comment, in this subreddit, and seeing the number of upvotes it's getting.

[–]alejandrocab98 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Couldn't you say the same about trump?