Migrants attack news crew in Sweden. Mobility scooter comes to the rescue.

DonTago · 6日前

Thanks, but you seem to be mistaken that I am interested in what you think. Not one single person here provided any evidence whatsoever to refute my points. I don't care about downvotes or emotional appeals... when it comes to headlines, I am interested in evidence and proof that can back up claims, not your circlejerking. That's worth shit.

DonTago · 7日前

Yes, that is currently the way it is, and it very well may stay that way, but unpredicted catastrophic global events and mass atrocities on the world stage have a way of dramaticly changing things in an unforeseeable way. As much as I'd like to say that the momentum of today will always be a guide for the momentum of tomorrow, it unfortunately does not always work like that.

DonTago · 7日前

The OP was talking about his potential fear of a US draft... and the only even remotely foreseeable situation that could occur is in the event of some global WWIII catastrophic type war. And in such a situation, I don't think there are any guarantees on how this or that country might react or what they might do to defend themselves or others. Literally, anything could happen, so worrying about and attempting to position oneself strategically for such wild and unpredictable unknowns is a pretty foolish and wasteful endeavor.

DonTago · 7日前

They aren't sending them abroad now, of course. But in the event of some global catastrophe or new world war, I don't think there are any guarantees as far what will happen.

DonTago · 8日前

Having a US passport would not compromise your Swiss citizenship simply because you sign up for the US selective service. There are lots of male US-Swiss dual citizens who've signed up for selective service who keep their Swiss passports just fine. Not sure how you ever got such a crazy idea.

Also, as far as your complaining and fearmongering about forced military service in the US in the far fetched outlandish possibility of a US draft... maybe you didn't know, but Switzerland already has mandatory military conscription and forced service already in place (which is MUCH more than the US has), so, it seems like you're being a bit overblown and sensationalist.

DonTago · 8日前

Why do we need more people like him? What in the world is he accomplishing?

DonTago · 8日前

Yeah, very good point... also, where in the heck does that guy come off acting like the US has some 3rd world court system? I can guarantee you that Swiss law is not 'world's away' from US law.

DonTago · 9日前

It's called Reddit Toolbox:

https://www.reddit.com/r/toolbox

...it's mostly only useful for mod applications, but really, any user can download it and see posting and comment data charts for themselves or any other user.

DonTago · 9日前

Of course! I know a lot of users attempt to make the mods of /r/worldnews out to be some evil nefarious agents of malfeasance, but, we go out of our way as much as possible to use this sub as a platform to explain removals to users and answer any and all questions they have on them. In fact, looking at my comment data, I've commented more on this sub than any other sub on Reddit, so, that should give you an idea of the amount of outreach worldnews does to make sure users understand the rules behind the removals and why specific submissions end up here. No one is making us do this, of course, I just think it is important than when frontpage removals end up here, it respects and dignifies the concerns of this community to at least drop in and give a little clarity!

DonTago · 9日前

This submission was removed as it is extremely out of date, being nearly 4 months old. One of the fundemental rules of the sub is that no submission should be older than 1 week.

Edit: typo

DonTago · 10日前

But bitching about downvotes is fun. It's one of Reddit's favorite pasttimes.

DonTago · 11日前

You were the one who asked for proof of where these men were from, then the article wasn't enough proof. What would you like? Their birth certificates?

...the article doesn't have proof, it has an allegation. Do you think those news crew members witnessed the birth of their attackers and we're able to accurately report their country of origin? Is that what you are saying? When and if they are captured, police will investigate and release their findings on where it is they are from. THAT is evidence. Hearsay is not evidence. What is so hard to understand about that? Are you really that dense that you think allegations are fact? Do you think people should be convicted based off allegation? As much as I'm sure you wish they could be, just like in the Salem witch trials, we've moved beyond those dark days of history. Gosh, you have some sickening logic. And for fuck sake, you keep going on about ME having a political axe to grind? Listen to yourself man. You sound like you're some unhinged maddened ideologue about to blow you're top. Get a grip. My constant and only position has been, if an article doesn't explicitly say something, then the headline cannot say it either. You just can't seem to accept that. You want the rules changed to suit your agenda. How convenient. Anyway, this is all you'll hear from me. You're clearly unwell and I won't contribute to your illness. I wish you all the luck in a speedy recovery. Don't write back please, it'll only make the demons yell louder.

DonTago · 11日前

This conversation is abusrd. If you refuse to answer any of my questions, this debate is in bad faith, and furthermore, you debate dishonesty. I have answered all your questions, while you answer none of mine. You just keep repeating that a member of the news crew thought the attackers were from Africa. But news flash buddy... that is an allegation and not a solid fact, and even if they were from Africa, that does not definitively mean they are a migrant. Also, simply because someone is in Sweden and not native to Sweden does not automatically make them a migrant. Saying such things makes you sound like you hate migrants. You have so much rage and anger apparent as you talk, it really is quite sad. Please don't message me again. You're negative energy is depressing me

DonTago · 11日前

You seem to be flailing around here trying to throw anything at me you can get to stick. It's rather pathetic to watch. You are coming up with any rationalization you can to support your unsupported claim that the attackers were migrants. I don't argue that tge article recounts witnesses describing them as appearing or sounding 'African'... however, simply because someone appears or sounds African while being in Europe does not automatically allow an OP to use the term 'migrant' to describe that person, especially when the term isn't used in the article to describe the attackers and especially since no evidence is provided in the article to support that they are. I implore you, please link me to ANY news article that gives evidence (not allegation) that the attackers were migrants. Please, I beg of you.

What is funny to me is that you think mods making sure OPs don't write misleading, editorialized or unsupported headlines that distort an article is the mods 'inserting their bias' or 'selective moderation'. When in reality, it is us preventing those things and removing such distortions that avoid issues of bias and selective moderation, as ALL instances of those things are removed. It is funny how much projecting you are doing here. How about you just come clean and tell me what you really think of the migrants and refugees.

DonTago · 11日前

Firstly, many second generation children of immigrants can also have heavy accents? Would you call them migrants to? Second, the attackers could also have been refugees maybe, and there is a big difference between refugees and migrants. They are not synonymous. Furthermore, there are numerous other situations a person who has dark skin and an accent in Europe might be something other than a migrant. You're lack of recognizing that is telling. I think you fail to understand what 'evidence' is... it is not conjecture, allegations and suspicion. It is actually data and records. I'm not seeing anything like that here. Does not finally make sense to you, or do you have some more whoppers for me.

DonTago · 11日前

So, anyone from Africa or who looks/sounds African in a place other than Africa is by default a 'migrant' in your eyes? You don't need anymore information other than their skin color and accent to definitively come to a conclusion? Like I said, the article didn't say they attackers were 'migrants', so the headline can't say it. They very well could have been migrants, like i said, but headlines are bound by the articles they refer to. Maybe this is news to you, but anyone with dark skin and a heavy accent in Europe isn't automatically a 'migrant'. Maybe it's what you want people think, but it is not factual.

DonTago · 11日前

See my comment here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/4dqse6/migrants_attack_news_crew_in_sweden_mobility/d1txl3o

DonTago · 11日前

Like I said buddy, provide links to your claims or you're just blowing a lot of hot air. Even in the Daily Mail article that came out at when the story first broke:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3498199/Liz-Hayes-60-Minutes-team-attacked-Sweden-shocking-video.html

...no one specifically called them migrants. Not even the news crew in that article explicitly calls them migrants, which you claim they did. So, if you have some contradicting or supplementary reports, then by all means, provide them. Im confused when you cannot seem to understand why it is not appropriate to make claims in a headline that are not made in the linked article.

Edit: for clarity, I used this Daily Mail article because it was one of the first posted to the sub, and because if anyone is gonna be fast and loose with the facts and call them migrants, it's the Daily Mail. And being that they don't indicates to me that is not a limb even they are not willing to overtly go out on in this case.

DonTago · 11日前

Please link to a story that was released at the time of the incident that verified the attackers were migrants. None of the ones that were linked to the sub had any such evidence. Also, why do you keep bringing up scooter guy? How does him being a migrant prove the others are? Seems your using 'guilt by association', or something. Like I said, later reporting may have borne out that they were indeed migrants, but no reporting in any articles linked to the sub at the time contained such reports

And as far as what is 'concrete evidence', by that I mean what can be verified thru the linked article. If a headline's claims cannot be backed up with reporting in the article, then that headline is misleading and not supported. The headlines you mentioned above are all supported by their accompying articles, therefore they are fine.

I consider the removal of factually correct headlines on the basis that you don't personally agree with or want in your sub reddit as censorship

...please link to any such submission that can be unquestionably established to have been removed under such conditions. I can tell you don't like it, but the sub has rules. Simply because you don't like those rules or because they get in the way of you pushing your agenda, does not inherently equate the application of them to 'censorship'. Such assertions make yourself look foolish and driven by your bias, and furthermore your 'boy crying wolf' style of labeling anything you disagree with as 'censorship' only serves to undermine and discredit those actually working to fight against and root out such practices out.

DonTago · 11日前

Maybe after the fact, but when the initial article came out, no such statements were made. I'm haven't followed the story as it developed, so, that very well may have happened later on.

DonTago · 11日前

You seem to have a great misunderstanding here. Firstly, dont be daft... the isdue has nothing to do with me or any other mod having to personally 'witness the news' for it to be allowed. What kind of nonsense argument is that? The headlines you mention above are appropriate and accecptable because they can be substantiated by the linked article. In the case JoelQ is talking about, the article did not substantiate the claim that the attackers were migrants. If the article had done that, then such a claim in a headline would indeed be appropriate.

Furthermore, if you have evidence that my moderation history is agenda based, then please, present your evidence. I have been publicly accused of being a shill and agent for Israel, for Hamas, for NATO, for Russia, for Ukraine, for China, for the US/EU, for the NSA, for McDonalds, etc, etc etc, so, if you can find some consistency in all that mess, have at it and let me know what you find out. Also, it is funny that you think removing factually incorrect headlines is 'censorship', I guess you're fine and we'll with people believing things that are false, as long as they are the things you want people to believe. It seems your job is simply to be an agent of disinformation.

DonTago · 11日前

Do you now have conclusive evidence they are migrants? Because, correct me if I'm wrong, it seems to me your assumption is purely based off of circumstance and that since the perpetrators have brown skin, they must then be migrants. Of course they could be, that is undeniable. However, you seem to feel as though your assumptions and speculation equals 'fact'. Sorry to break it to you, but for world news headlines, the sub expects a bit higher of a threshold for what is considered to be 'fact'. Now, new information on the immigration status of the attackers may have been released later on, but at the time, no definitive statements were being made by anyone involved.

Edit: nice downvote brigade, by the way... i suppose its easier than engaging in rational reasonable debate. Apparently some ppl actually think a downvoted comment means it's WRONG while an upvoted one is RIGHT! I guess you guys aren't ready for facts to get in the way of your circlejerk. Carry on, then.

EDIT 2: more downvotes please, I love all the butthurt!

DonTago · 12日前

Here is one other I took:

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DonTago · 12日前

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