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[–]cruelironageAnti-Modernity [スコア非表示]  (43子コメント)

Yeah you pretty much get all of your smv based on your fertility. Not all of it but the vast majority of it. You would do well to keep that in mind as you go through your life.

I don't know what you are saying about men at eighteen. I think people should have strong families and real fathers in their lives so that they don't make horrible strings of bad decisions. I think that patriarchy is pretty damn important because the combination of girls value coming front loaded with the immaturity at that age is a recipe for disaster. And women just keep getting more and more miserable because of it.

Oh yes creating the fake crime of spousal rape a thing was a terrible idea. It changed marriage from making one choice and committing to it into the never ending cycle of re-choosing and takes away much of the benefit men had for getting married. If you get to re-choose who you are going to let fuck you every day, and adultery is no longer a thing, then what is left for marriage? Why pretend anything with marriage? You can just be my plate and we are free to pick and choose who we are with every single day.

Oh but what's that? You still think we are going to marry you to our wallet? You can't commit to me anymore, it's illegal, but somehow you have the gall to think I'm still going to commit to you? Come off it. It's bad enough that the worthless government steals my money through violence to support you already.

But then the feminist goal was to destroy marriage. Congratulations on your success.

[–]HigHog [スコア非表示]  (28子コメント)

Yeah you pretty much get all of your smv based on your fertility. Not all of it but the vast majority of it. You would do well to keep that in mind as you go through your life.

Why do I need to keep that in mind? You may value women based just on their fertility but that doesn't mean the rest of the world does. Even the majority of TRP also values women for their looks at least, never mind non-redpill men and women.

I think people should have strong families and real fathers in their lives so that they don't make horrible strings of bad decisions.

Why do you think men are better at making decisions about women? What exactly enables them to be wiser than women? Plenty of women without "real fathers" don't make strings of bad decisions.

Oh yes creating the fake crime of spousal rape a thing was a terrible idea.

Are you fucking kidding me? Rape is not a fake crime.

You can't commit to me anymore, it's illegal,

What? How is it illegal?

But then the feminist goal was to destroy marriage. Congratulations on your success.

Marriage is clearly not destroyed and many feminists are happily married. Don't be ridiculous.

[–]cruelironageAnti-Modernity [スコア非表示]  (27子コメント)

Oh honey all men are attracted to the fertility cues. It's why you wear makeup. To mimic fertility cues. It's why the look young forever industry is a billion dollars a year. It's not just me. It's all men. It's part of men. Amalt.

And marital rape isn't even possible. The only reason you think it is is because marriage is dead and gone, marriage is illegal. You aren't legally allowed to consent to me forever. That shit is illegal now cause the feminists decided that you are just too dumb to make such a commitment. I mean you're just a girl, right? Surely the government loves you more than your fake husband in non-marriage, until boredom do you part.

You also aren't legally allowed to give me children. You don't have that right. Thanks feminism!

[–]xorchids [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

If you and your wife had a fight, and she was clearly mad at you, and you decided "hmm, I know what will fix this. Sex!" and you throw yourself on your wife, while she actively resists you, you're raping her.

[–]cruelironageAnti-Modernity [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

No I'm throwing her down and giving her a good fucking. And hell if that won't help solve the stupid argument. I can't rape my wife because she already gave me her consent. Rape your wife? Lol lol! Maybe she doesn't want the sex but hey, she gave me her consent. And girls like a good fucking just as much as I like to give it to them.

What is the point of marriage if it's not consent? There is no point. Hence how our glorious post modern above-even-God himself society has destroyed marriage.

The girl gives me her consent when she marries me. The fact that we made that illegal means that we made marriage illegal. So sure in the fake marriage we have now, as we all drown in lies, you could rape your fake wife. But in a real marriage? She gave me her consent. She chose to become one flesh with me. I can't rape myself. I can't rape my wife. The very idea is utterly absurd.

[–]xorchids [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

I guess you can't rape your wife. Or choke her, hit her, drown her, or murder her. She must have given you consent for all that too. Silly me. Murdering her would just be suicide.

[–]cruelironageAnti-Modernity [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

And now are you starting to see why marriage used to exist? So that a girl could actually give you sexual consent?

And your ridiculous strawmen mean nothing to me. Men love women and they love their wives. It only makes the relationship stronger when he knows that she has given him her consent, forever.

Yet now for some idiotic reason we decided to make it illegal for those poor dumb girls to give their consent. I mean we all know that those dumb girls are just too stupid to be able to give me their consent. Feminists told me so.

Lol that you think throwing your wife down and fucking her silly has anything to do with harmful physical violence. But yeah I'm gonna show my violence to a girl, when I throw her down and fuck the shit out of her. In a healthy way.

And somehow our sick and broken culture thinks that a man fucking the shit out of his wife!!! is somehow rape. You can't rape your wife. But you can't have a wife anymore. That shit is illegal now.

[–]MissMaudebloopers gonna bloop [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

We didn't make it illegal to give their consent, we made it possible for them withdraw their consent sometimes. Your views on this are bizarre and hard to follow.

[–]cruelironageAnti-Modernity [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Oh sometimes you can withdraw your consent? Should I get out my app to see if you're good with a solid throat fucking tonight babe? Nothing like some intense app clicking for foreplay.

[–]MissMaudebloopers gonna bloop [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

... Yes one can withdraw consent. Your inability to grasp a concept doesn't make it absurd. It makes you weird and off putting.

[–]read-only-username [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Oh honey all men are attracted to the fertility cues. It's why you wear makeup. To mimic fertility cues.

So having purple lips and full eyebrows is an indication of fertility now?

[–]cruelironageAnti-Modernity [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Oh yeah it is. And those flushed cheeks.

Hurrngh

[–]autoNFANeither red nor blue [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Yep, they're supernormal stimuli.

"[Tinbergen] experimented with dummy plaster eggs of various sizes and markings finding that most birds preferred ones with more exaggerated markings than their own, more saturated versions of their color, and a larger size than their own. Small songbirds which laid light blue grey-dappled eggs preferred to sit on a bright blue black polka-dotted dummy so large they slid off repeatedly. Territorial male stickleback fish would attack wooden floats with red undersides—attacking them more vigorously than invading male sticklebacks if the underside were redder."

[–]read-only-username [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That would be a great reply if I was a freaking bird.

[–]autoNFANeither red nor blue [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Works the same for humans, more or less. Makeup simulates and exaggerates fertility cues like full lips and eyebrows.

[–]HigHog [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

I don't wear makeup, and not all men even want children.

Having sex with somebody without their consent is rape. It does not matter who that person is, if you force someone to have sex you are RAPING them.

What country do you even live in? What on earth are you on about, marriage is literally not illegal. Having children with a man is literally legal. Have you not noticed all the men bitching about their legal responsibility to pay child support for their kid? Have you not heard of adoption?

[–]cruelironageAnti-Modernity [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

The girl gave me her consent when she married me. Where do you get off redefining consent so that I have to get you to sign a form every single time? You give me your consent when you marry me. So I can't rape you. The very idea is utterly absurd.

But you can't give me your everlasting consent. It's illegal now. Cause surely you aren't capable of making your own decisions. Haven't you heard? Feminists are so much smarter than you, you just being a dumb girl. Feminists have decided that you can't give me your consent, but in the moment.

So all you can ever be is a plate. Just like every other plate. Making it so that marriage somehow doesn't mean consent is what has destroyed marriage.

Rape your wife? Your own flesh? Laughable. You give me your consent when you marry me.

[–]HigHog [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Uh no, you don't. Marriage is not consent to sex, it's a legal union of two people. If a man and woman get married, then he starts abusing her, hitting her, isolating her from her family and friends, tells her he'll kill her if she ever tries to leave him, and forces her to have sex with him, that is rape. What on earth is wrong with you that you can't recognise that? If I didn't want to have sex because two weeks ago I gave birth and my vagina still had stitches in it and was incredibly painful and my husband forced me to do it anyway, that would be rape. Seriously, how are you even arguing this?

Also, your "flesh" does not belong to someone else when you marry them. If your wife tattooed a giant dick on your forehead while you were asleep, would that be okay because "it's her own flesh"?

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    [–]HigHog [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    Gross. Those aren't "fantasies", those are real crimes that have been committed upon real people. Abuse is something that can happen to men or women, and marriage doesn't suddenly make it okay.

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      [–]babyboomersantaI'm in need of a guy, if I was green I would die[M] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Read the rules in the sidebar. No trolling and no personal attacks. This is a sub for debate.

      [–]sardonis70NARPALT (Not All Red Pill are Like That [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      The girl gave me her consent when she married me.

      This is the more traditional/biblical view of consent within a marriage and one I tend to agree with. Saying "I Do" is giving consent for the rest of your life, or as long as the marriage lasts. Denying your body/sexuality to your married spouse is breaking the contract. Individual couples can of course can decide on any terms they want within their relationship, but at its core this is the principle on which the PoV that spousal rape does not exists is built.

      Personally, I'm not interested in sex with someone that isn't interested in having it with me. Obviously that means if my wife is sick or injured I'm not going to shout "breach of contract!" and call a divorce lawyer. But that DOES mean that if my wife were to start making a habit of denying me access to that hot ass, it would be completely within my rights to take what I want and/or dig up that lawyers number.

      Now all of that is really nasty stuff, and the best course of action IMO for a relationship is to NEVER allow the situation to get this bad. I don't ever want to find myself in a marriage where as a couple we've gotten to the point that "marital obligation" is about sex. But, when it comes right down to it, that IS my PoV and my wife is very clear on it. I made the mistake of making a "til death do us part" pledge without thinking that bit through the first time, and I made no effort to hide the fact that I wouldn't do it again.

      And to be fair, I would never deny her the D. If I'm so sick I can't "perform", she can do whatever she wants to me if she can get the gear to work. If it kills me, I'll go out with a smile on my face. ;-)

      [–]lady_bakerRed Pill Woman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Yes.

      We lost something precious when we struck that bit out, when we decided spouses don't share ownership of each others' bodies.

      [–]BiggerDthanYouI'm cute :3 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      Oh yes creating the fake crime of spousal rape a thing was a terrible idea

      How is that a fake crime?

      [–]cruelironageAnti-Modernity [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      The girl gives her consent when she gets married. The guy who becomes one flesh with her in no way needs to get ever ongoing consent. It's like saying you could rape yourself. Utterly ridiculous.

      It's this change that is a big part of the ongoing consent battle going on. You know how we could solve this? When the girl picks herself a husband from among her suitors she gives her consent. Therefore the very idea that it's even possible for her husband to rape her is utterly absurd. And if she wants to withdraw her consent? Why get a divorce then.

      Marital rape? Lol impossible! I can't rape myself. And the importance of consent is way overblown. Forcing women and men into an endless cycle of choosing and re-choosing is why it's plate theory now. It's why adultery, which used to be a crime, is just meaningless now. I mean did the girl consent in that very moment? Why she sure did. It's a huge burden to place onto women and it makes it illegal for them to commit to me. To commit to anyone. The only thing that they are legally allowed to do is to consent in that moment. Which is why they are all plates. It's the only thing that they are legally allowed to be.

      [–]shogunofsarcasmI do what I want [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

      Spousal rape is not pretend. A person can be dedicated to one person and completely monogamous and still be raped by that person. That is a big part in abusive relationships where one person is scared to leave or convinces themselves that it isn't all bad. Just because you are married it does not mean you deserve sex whenever you want. Compromissions (compromise) needs to happen. Maybe she is sore or sick or tired one day, maybe you are the next. No one should be forced to have sex.

      [–]teeay [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      Compromissions

      I think you just broke my brain :D

      [–]shogunofsarcasmI do what I want [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Haha autocorrect is a dick sometimes

      [–]lady_bakerRed Pill Woman [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

      No one should be forced to have sex.

      You are making a jump that a lot of people make - that not being able to wield a rape charge means more spouses will be forced.

      [–]shogunofsarcasmI do what I want [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      It isn't a jump. It is the truth. Forcing someone in to sex is rape

      [–]lady_bakerRed Pill Woman [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      The jump is that men are just holding back from forcing themselves on their wives because of the possibility of a rape charge.

      A wife should not be denying sex without good reason. A husband should not demand it once he gets a no. The problem with spousal rape is either partner can say no endlessly with zero repercussions, and the other partner just has to take it. Their only out is divorce. But if they are sick of being denied and push through even once, well, here come the law to punish them. Both are violating what I consider the marriage contract, although admittedly there is no verbiage in there in a secular or generic ceremony.

      This is a fundamental difference between those who take marriage very, very seriously and those who don't: the default for sex is Yes.

      [–]shogunofsarcasmI do what I want [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Being sick or not horny is a good reason as it is her body to decide what happens to. If you don't like you can talk or get a divorce. You can't rape her.

      [–]cruelironageAnti-Modernity [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

      You're trying to tell me that you haven't laid in bed, your loins aching and your pussy wet, fantasizing about a guy just taking you?

      You know the very day I left my ex wife we just finished having morning sex. And she looked at me with the coldest eyes and said to me, "why don't you ever just take me, throw me down, and fuck the shit out of me?".

      Why? Because oh my gosh don't I need to get me some of that hot hot affirmative consent? And what are you trying to tell me? That if I was your husband and you were mine, you belong to me, as we are one, and you say "oh honey I have a headache" and in my lust I ignore everything you say and throw you down and cum into your body that I've somehow hurt you? Ridiculous! If you marry me you have given your consent. Else marriage means nothing, as it means nothing today.

      Marital rape is an oxymoron.

      [–]shogunofsarcasmI do what I want [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

      You're trying to tell me that you haven't laid in bed, your loins aching and your pussy wet, fantasizing about a guy just taking you?

      I have done that fantasizing about a specific person "taking me" which amounts to consent when it actually happens in my life. Having someone dominate you when you want it is not rape. If that same person did that and I was not in the right frame of mind for it, it would be terrible. Forcing someone to have sex without their consent is rape. No other way of putting it.

      There are types of consent other than a yes please, but you have to be with a person long enough to find out what they can be, you can't just assume with a stranger or it may end up as rape.

      what are you trying to tell me? That if I was your husband and you were mine, you belong to me, as we are one, and you say "oh honey I have a headache" and in my lust I ignore everything you say and throw you down and cum into your body that I've somehow hurt you?

      yes that is exactly what I am telling you. You don't own a woman because she is married to you, it is still her body. If in your lust you can't see that another person is hurting and not in the mood for sex and you do it anyway, you very well could be raping that person. You could be hurting them mentally or physically. Sure, there are situations where a person can not feel well but enjoy sex anyway, but that doesn't mean rape in a marriage isn't real.

      Marriage isn't automatic consent for sex like you think it is. Marriage is a social and legal union. A person doesn't give up all rights to their body when they get married, they can still say no if needed. A good husband or wife would respect that and wait for a different time. They wouldn't rape their so.

      [–]cruelironageAnti-Modernity [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      The current joke we call "marriage", fake marriage, is just part of the slow destruction of everything. The nihilism of our time.

      You can't consent to me because we made it illegal. So what do we have now? Hey babe will you check yes or no on my, oh so sexual, consent app? Oh my look you checked that hard anal sex is ok for the next forty five minutes, so long as I make you orgasm and your mind shut down before I pound the fuck out of your ass. And it's all right there on my phone app! Good for forty five minutes! And only for so long that you feel good things about it literally forever.

      Fucking ridiculous. Have you ever even had sex? Either you can give me your commitment, so I literally can not rape you, or you can give me your consent and you are going to take it the way I want.

      Don't pretend like this means I don't care about you. Women really just do not get how much my enjoyment is seeing you enjoy me. You cannot understand how we love you.

      But to make consent illegal? Or turn everything into plate only? It's utterly beyond ridiculous. Rape your wife... Lol. Impossible. Which is why we don't have wives anymore. You're all plates, forever. And you openly choose this to be so.

      No wonder women set a new record for misery every single year. Hey good job helping make even more women miserable.

      [–]7deTrebolesLikes casual sex but not misogyny [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      The current joke we call "marriage", fake marriage, is just part of the slow destruction of everything. The nihilism of our time.

      The nihilism of our time, and of every time before, is and will always be people that complains about progress and call it decadence. There will always be people like you, forever longing for a worst time that they really don't know shit about.

      Don't pretend like this means I don't care about you. Women really just do not get how much my enjoyment is seeing you enjoy me. You cannot understand how we love you. But to make consent illegal? Or turn everything into plate only? It's utterly beyond ridiculous. Rape your wife... Lol. Impossible. Which is why we don't have wives anymore. You're all plates, forever. And you openly choose this to be so.

      You don't know love nor respect. That is marriage. You only think on terms of ownership and power, which is why you miss the old and sick concept of marriage.

      I'm sure you would love for your wife to wake you up with a dildo in your butt and tied up to the bed so you can't defend yourself, such is the marriage you miss right?

      [–]shogunofsarcasmI do what I want [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      You are taking it to extremes it will never go with the app and Shit. That is one slippery slope you are doing there.

      But let's use anal as an example. Not all women enjoy it. If you are married to a women and you have anal even though she insists that you stop or not do that because she hates it, it is rape. You aren't entitled to sex with someone. If your wife wants to use a strapon on you without your consent it is rape, she isn't entitled to sex with you.

      Rape within marriage is very possible unless it is someone like you who apparently just likes rape enough to convince themselves it isn't bad.

      Also you may not have a wife, but many men do and they are happy. I am not someone's plate. I tend to avoid guys like you that have them and date reasonable men who don't think rape in marriage is ok. You are usually easy to spot.