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[–]pol__invictus 32ポイント33ポイント  (51子コメント)

yet people still continue to pretend that "the patriarchy" is a real thing that exists

[–]4ringcircusVoted Most Annoying Subscriber 2015 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It means blame society for everything I don't like, but even though women are half of that society you can only blame men. Also women have no control over their lives or their choices because men exist and control your every thought from dark corners.

At least that is how TrollX talks about it.

[–]lordkars [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I really do hate that term. It makes it sound like there is a committee of men who try their hardest to shit on women. The male gender isn't sexually harrassing you or creating the wage gap, stop blaming "the patriarchy" and maybe something can be done about it

[–]kragnax [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Cultural Marxism; the academic concept is non-notable. The theory that Cultural Marxism is a plot to destroy western society, complete with Cultural Marxists being in control of television and the media = conspiracy theory.

"Patriarchy" undeniably exists at least as a notable academic concept and so belongs in wikipedia.

Patriarchy is a social system in which males hold primary power, predominate in roles of political leadership, moral authority, social privilege and control of property.

My country is today considered quite feminist but this line from wiki still completely accurately describes the situation in the small fishing village where I grew up. The causes for it are complex but denying it's there is not productive.

[–]pol__invictus [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

so conspiracy theories by academia are noteworthy because academia talks about them, while criticism of academia by sources outside academia isn't notable because academia doesn't acknowledge them

sure, why not.

[–]kragnax [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Read the wiki on patriarchy. There is no claim that a cabal of men are conspiring to oppress women or anything of the sort that would define it as a conspiracy theory.

It's a simple concept used to describe social systems in which males hold primary power and it's abused on forums by both misinformed tumblerettes and mras for petty ego masturbation instead of continuing the constructive dialog the concept originated from.

[–]satintintintintin 21ポイント22ポイント  (39子コメント)

It's crazy how people are so desperate to pretend that saying the Frankfurt School was influential in forming the current American Left ideology is somehow a "conspiracy theory." "Cultural Marxism" refers to an intellectual movement, composed of specific thinkers and a fairly clear canon of their writings and it's just a term which refers to the ideological current of the Frankfurt School, critical theory, gender studies, etc. Here is a leftish columnist writing for the Telegraph who agrees. There are no secret meetings, no single organization, no initiations, no all-controlling committees, no secret plans, none of that crap. It's just a bunch of groupthink going on in academic circles between left wing social theorists, which then influences how courses are taught in university, which then influences how students think and what they think.

SJWs really hate being labelled and categorized because, owing to their genesis in leftist academia, they consider labeling and categorizing things as privileges reserved for themselves.

[–]punkswcleankitchensLiberal 4ポイント5ポイント  (15子コメント)

SJWs... Jews... Academia... it all makes sense

The conspiracy runs even deeper than we thought!

[–]4ringcircusVoted Most Annoying Subscriber 2015 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Might want to clean your mirrors instead.

[–]punkswcleankitchensLiberal [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Even I'm in on it, my gott

[–]4ringcircusVoted Most Annoying Subscriber 2015 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

We live in a monarchy and you will never be better than Prince.

[–]punkswcleankitchensLiberal [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Speaking of which where is that little devil?

[–]4ringcircusVoted Most Annoying Subscriber 2015 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He'll be back.

[–]BestofCuckoldCulture [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

I thought you people weren't being allowed to funpost in /r/drama any more.

[–]zarbarosmo [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Sorry about your 'Safe Space'

[–]cantbebothered67835 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

The irony of pointing out the supposed irony of people who decry the concept of safe spaces demanding safe spaces of their own is that you, yourself dismiss the very same concept. So now we're all in agreement -- sjws and normal people both tend to think that the concept of a safe space is bull. All that's left is to go forth and spread the news to the rest of the tumblarinas.

[–]zarbarosmo [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

What is wrong with you? I was just apologizing for disrupting your 'Safe Space'

[–]cantbebothered67835 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

What is wrong with you? I was just apologizing for disrupting your 'Safe Space'

Sounds like you're harbouring a lot of contempt since you're being so intentionally obtuse, but that's ok. Most of society feels the same way about you. Anyway, it's not 'my' safe space as I happen to agree that people shouldn't be banned for 'funposting' in r/drama, whatever that means.

[–]zarbarosmo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I apologized twice for the same thing, how is that being obtuse?

[–]satintintintintin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

i agree comrade, the perfidious patriarchy lurks in every corner and shadow.

[–]JumbledOne [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Sneaky Jews always trying to spread white genocide by preaching to treat our women equally and not kill gays

[–]quietthomas -5ポイント-4ポイント  (22子コメント)

The Frankfurt School didn't have a unanimous set of beliefs.

The Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory:

advocates the idea that The Frankfurt School had a unanimous set of beliefs and were deliberately attempting to cause the collapse of the West using multiculturalism and political correctness as their methods.

[–]satintintintintin 10ポイント11ポイント  (18子コメント)

when you have to strawman that blatantly you might as well just admit that you're wrong

[–]quietthomas -2ポイント-1ポイント  (16子コメント)

Nope, to say that: "The Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory is the claim that the left are trying to destroy Western Culture" is accurate to how William S. Lind (one of the first proponents of the term) uses it.

Just search for the word "destroy" in this article of his. - he says several times that it's the lefts attempt at destroying society. So what I've said is no strawman; it's accurate to his usage.

[–]satintintintintin 2ポイント3ポイント  (11子コメント)

someone wrote an article about us that isn't flattering. Conspiracy theory!

SJWs really hate being labelled and categorized, because they consider labeling and categorizing things as privileges reserved for themselves.

[–]quietthomas [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

...or maybe it's just the left AREN'T trying to destroy society?... so to claim they are;- is a bit of a conspiracy theory?

[–]punkswcleankitchensLiberal [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

No dude, they were Jews, so destroying western society was secretly their mission

[–]selfabortion [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I really don't see how this could be a conspiracy theory since it comports with what i think is real

[–]cantbebothered67835 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Nice loaded question. Cultural marxist ideology isn't attributed to all leftist thought, but is generally seen as a range of far left points of view (of course that goes out of the window when talking about far rightists who think everyone left of ronald regan is a neon haired sjw).

[–]NotSuspended [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

If you believe "cultural marxism" is a thing, you're a fucking idiot.

[–]sodiummuffin [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It's pretty easy to look it up and read the actual academic papers discussing it in such right-wing conspiracy journals as "Capital & Class", "International Journal of Politics, Culture, and Society, "Social Text", and "Annual Review of Sociology", or one of the books. Even just straight-up googling it instead of using Google Scholar gets this perfectly reasonable and academic essay summarizing it on the front page.

There's conspiracy theories about it but there's significantly more conspiracy theories about straight-up "Marxism", that doesn't mean Marxism doesn't exist as an actual school of thought.

[–]NotSuspended [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I was wrong, if the term is used in academia and you showed it is, then I would make sense to have an article about it. Either it could mention the conspiracy theory about cultural marxism, or refer to another article about it.

[–]Fucking_Christ [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Here's the old wikipedia article on cultural marxism before it was edited and classed as a conspiracy theory,

https://archive.is/YzkIS

Both seem biased honestly.

[–]quietthomas [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Check the sources - only 3 out of 9 of them actually use the term...

...where as the new section has 33 sources - all them using the term.

[–]NotSuspended [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Nobody uses the term "cultural marxism" in that sense. I never saw it used outside of alt-right Internet debates.

[–]witler [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

SJWs really hate being labelled and categorized

I mean, who wouldn't like it? I mean, you sound like a typical anti-SJW, the type of guy who talks like a typical SJW but hates SJW with passion and is no different than the thing he hates. I bet you don't like this label anti-SJW.

because they consider labeling and categorizing things as privileges reserved for themselves.

Its like you have never heard about the labeling the right wing does to people who disagree with them.

[–]sodiummuffin [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

William S. Lind (one of the first proponents of the term) uses it.

What on earth are you talking about? He appears to have first written about it around 2000, the majority of academic papers talking about it I've seen are significantly older.

[–]quietthomas [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

There aren't any "academic papers" (as in from peer viewed journals) on the topic because it started out as an INFORMAL term for The Frankfurt School as they transitioned AWAY from historical materialism as their main mode of analysis and towards a more general mode of Cultural Analysis. In this time they were briefly described as "Cultural Marxists" (a term initiated by Trent Schroyer as he begged them to keep Marx's Crisis Theory as part of their rhetoric).

But no; the term was never academic and never had a solid definition. Instead it was hijacked so now we're all discussing a school of social critique which is 45 years out of date. I mean, it sat silent for 30 of those years, then in the late 90s Culture Wars paleocons discovered the term and decided to hijack it... and it just magically became a talking point again.

Pat Buchanan played a big part in this by out and out lying about what The Frankfurt School said; as in this clip taken from a youtube documentary - which shows Pat Buchanan's words but clearly being forced into Herbert Marcuses mouth...so yeah, the term has definitely been hijacked and bent out of shape for political ends.

[–]sodiummuffin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Books aren't "academic papers"; there aren't any "academic papers" (as in from peer viewed journals)

Yes there are. This isn't hard. It's pretty easy to look it up and read the actual academic papers discussing it in such right-wing conspiracy journals as "Capital & Class", "International Journal of Politics, Culture, and Society", "Social Text", and "Annual Review of Sociology". Even just straight-up googling it instead of using Google Scholar gets this perfectly reasonable and academic essay summarizing it on the front page.

Instead it was hijacked so now we're all discussing a school of social critique which is 45 years out of date. I mean, it sat silent for 30 of those years, then in the late 90s Culture Wars paleocons discovered the term and decided to hijack it... and it just magically became a talking point again.

Did you just argue that Lind was "one of the first proponents of the term" because some of the actual academic sources that used the term predated him by decades?

[–]quietthomas [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

In the US they complain about Antonio Gramsci destroying their society - in Rome they name roads after him.

[–]RasslinsnotRasslinZealot [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Jewish parasites hate being caught in their crimes how you react is evident your paws feel the heat

[–]interiorlittlevenice [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Exactly. I'm pretty conservative for Reddit and the idea that "cultural marxism" exists is ludicrous. It's like the word "neoliberalism"- it only exists as a slur for the other side.

[–]zarbarosmo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Neoliberalism is a cogent political stance, though. It's a revival of classic liberalism free market economic principles married to the idea of the progressive-liberal technocratic state run by experts.

[–]4ringcircusVoted Most Annoying Subscriber 2015 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

How does one even find this?

[–]Pretentious_Nazi 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

/r/WikiInAction. There's a subreddit for this sort of thing.

[–]GhostofRFS [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

A place to discuss the corruption and issues with Wikipedia.

People will get outraged by anything, won't they?

[–]zarbarosmo 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well yeah it's a conspiracy theory. Bit these are the same people who go up to bat for the Protocols of the Elders of Zion so it's not like honesty has ever been their motivation.

[–]ninjaofpatience [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Send hlp pls. I've lost the ability to tell the differnce between an ironic shitpost and an unironic shitpost.

[–]zarbarosmo [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

The real trick is that the difference does not matter, because the author is dead

[–]loldilawl [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

does not matter, because the author is dead

ugh

[–]zarbarosmo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I forget sometimes that this is the like the hometown for basic internet nerds

[–]LSUtiger93 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

how is cultural marxism a conspiracy theory? Its architects and current engineers openly state what it is.

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[–]heterosis -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Didn't this happen a few months back? I remember KiA or similar getting booty bothered by this and creating Wikipedia_in_Action or something...

[–]PadaV4 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

/r/WikiInAction/ was created around a year ago in response to the shitstorm at Wikipedia's gamergate article. Almost all articles connected to SJWs and gamergate have ongoing clashes between editors, including the cultural marxism article.

[–]quietthomas -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Meh the previous article had 3 sources out of 9 actually refer to the term "Cultural Marxism" explicitly - and 2 of those were by a single author....

the new Cultural Marxism section uses something like 20 sources; all using the term "Cultural Marxism" explicitly. It's a no-contest. The new section is waay better sourced than the old page ever was.

[–]punkswcleankitchensLiberal -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Enough of your lies Cultural Marxist shill!!!

[–]hkmsRetarded -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

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For more of these whiners who "volunteer" on a public website yet get butthurt when their pet ideologies are challenged, checkout /r/wikiinaction

[–]trebmald [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Is it any surprise that anywhere there is a GGers in the crowd there is going to be drama?