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[–]krptkn 7 points8 points9 points  (12 children)
If this post were true and the URIs have carried over, I understand why the author wouldn't point out how to find them publicly, but why has he not contacted the FBI, if these allegations are genuine?
" If you have information that a website may be violating the law you should report it immediately to your local law enforcement agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), or to the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children (NCMEC)’s CyberTipline at www.cybertipline.com."
[–]GethN7Perma-banned from twitter for politely BTFOing everyone ever [score hidden]  (0 children)
Couldn't agree more. I have found no evidence I could report, and I have reported actual child pornographers before.
[–]Vordrak -1 points0 points1 point  (9 children)
Great minds think alike. You may safely assume I have contacted appropriate persons - as indeed the article says.
[–]krptkn [score hidden]  (0 children)
Furthermore, why not contact the owner of the site directly and point out the URIs to him? What reason would you have for not doing that first?
If he's the one running the site that hosts the links, sending them to him through the proper moderation channels could hardly be construed as distribution of child pornography in any sense of the law.
Then, if he still failed to take them down, you'd have that much more evidence that he was not only hosting child pornography, but that he was doing so intentionally and then hiding behind a mistake that slipped through his claims of a 'zero tolerance policy'.
As it stands now, this reads like a misleading and poorly-sourced article meant to incite a personal army request and get a site taken down by whipping up unfounded controversy 'til the server's host decides he doesn't want to take the risk.
[–]krptkn 5 points6 points7 points  (6 children)
The "appropriate persons" being law enforcement? Or are you just trying to get a website you don't like taken down by throwing empty allegations and misleading half-truths at server hosts?
Your article directly encourages readers to file complaints with CloudFlare and not with law enforcement, you provide no links to the DoJ, FBI, NCMEC, or any other tipline websites.
[–]GethN7Perma-banned from twitter for politely BTFOing everyone ever [score hidden]  (0 children)
I left a response in this thread on that subject, and frankly, I must dissent against Vordrak, as based on my own examination of the evidence, this is about revenge with no actual evidence punishable under US law, and I'm quite well convinced he's using KIA for his own ends.
[–]Mashiki [score hidden]  (2 children)
Do they actually have to provide you with links? I mean I live in Canada and can figure out how to search them that easily. I suppose if you're that upset over it, they could always add them.
But looking at the stuff this seems to be a case of "it's not illegal in the US, but it's illegal in my country thus I want it removed and them along with it." It's much more difficult to be a free speech advocate then people think.
[–]krptkn [score hidden]  (1 child)
If you've found child pornography on any site, you should report it to the site owners and to the appropriate authorities. I personally can't find any links to inappropriate content.
While I understand why posting a step-by-step guide to finding sources of child pornography publicly on the internet (even with the best intentions) would be counterproductive to stopping the spread of child pornography, if it's that easy to find, you and many others should be able to find the links, and get the content taken down and have the appropriate actions taken to bring whoever is responsible for publishing it to justice.
[–]Mashiki [score hidden]  (0 children)
Quite true and your post is spot on.
In the last ~20 years of being a tech, either working for someone or as a side business here in Canada, I've only ever run across about 25-30 cases of someone even bringing me a machine with CP on it. They got reported for it(required under law here in Canada), tossed in prison end of story(in about half of those cases I ended up being a crown witness). But this is coming more across as a "I don't like it, because reasons in my country and they're doing something I don't like and it's illegal in my country so help me shut them down."
[–]andysonic2 [score hidden]  (1 child)
Why would you ask random people to spam the FBI with half the evidence after youve already given them all of it?
[–]krptkn [score hidden]  (0 children)
Child sexual abuse is an intensely serious allegation, and the way this article is written makes me doubt that he's actually contacted anyone but the server host, since sending false or misleading reports to law enforcement agencies is a misdemeanor (at the very least) in most US states and countries abroad.
[–]RedLightSabre [score hidden]  (0 children)
Well done dude. Think Joshua Moon needs to go jail, longtime.
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
[–]Vordrak [score hidden]  (0 children)
Happy to oblige - very sensible suggestion - I have put the link in the article at the end.
[–]huiguigui [score hidden]  (0 children)
Personal Army Request Denied
[–]Chriss_m 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
The number of paedophiles lurking about is incredible.
[–]tranhuv 4 points5 points6 points  (10 children)
believing the ED page
[–]Vordrak -1 points0 points1 point  (9 children)
Regardless of whether ED is right, KiwiFarms did indeed host child pornography.
[–]SupremeReader [score hidden]  (0 children)
What will you say about your own article on ED?
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    [–]Vordrak -3 points-2 points-1 points  (5 children)
    Nah apparently Null was hosting anime of toddler rape.
    [–]Mashiki [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Not sure that's actually illegal in the US though. The test is pretty high for prosecution for that there. Illegal in UK? Yep. Canada? Yep. Most of Europe? Yep.
    edit: You're not going to find very many people actually supporting the removal of something because it's distasteful or despicable. Standing up for free speech also means standing up for offensive material, that's the hard part about being a free speech advocate. I know that's hard being in the UK where you don't exactly have enshrined freedom of speech like the US. Or here in Canada where limited speech is enshrined in the charter.
    edit2: clarity because I'm damned tired
    [–]circedge 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
    That's it? Anime? Isn't that stretching the definition a little thin.
    [–]SupremeReader [score hidden]  (0 children)
    It seems Trump already made anime real.
    [–]tranhuv 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    Didn't you try to intimidate one of our temporary host's relatives into getting his son to take us down?
    Wouldn't this mean you have a vested interest in defaming the site and it's admin?
    [–]Vordrak -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Well, I wrote a complaint (signing my name). Then Null cut and paste an anonymous email into the chain and put it on his board. He is really quite comfortable lying to KiwiFarms members.
    [–]Vordrak 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    Happy to help. This site needs shutting down for a lot of reasons. They are not even just targetting 'players' in the various online conflicts but random disabled people. Doing a bigger piece on Moon in due course.
    [–]GethN7Perma-banned from twitter for politely BTFOing everyone ever [score hidden]  (3 children)
    While I understand Mr. Hopkins has understandable reasons to hate them, given they have a thread on him, I'm afraid most these allegations I must refute.
    For starters, most of the allegations presented are based on ED, which itself bases the allegations on chat logs not verified by most other sources. Second, he would not be the first to try taking down the Farms (they have an entire forum specifically for all those that try), and the reason why he has not tried to kill them off via reports to law enforcement would be because, to be frank, he has no smoking gun proof he could bring into a courtroom and win with.
    It is true they have had to move their site more than once, and the closest incident that applies to the allegations here would be an instance where someone angry they were talked about on the site uploaded a picture of their own genitals, then reported it to their current host who (according to their own misinterpretation) mistook it for an underage depiction and forced them to move once more.
    Based on my own frequent reading of the site, they have not ever deliberately hosted any actual, punishable under US law, child pornography and even spend considerable time unmasking and when necessary spreading the word about various pedophiles.
    I admit I have a bias. I have been spoken of rather well by them and am even a friend of one or two of their members via email correspondence, but I am also under no illusions whatsoever I took would be singled out as a "lolcow" and mocked too if they felt I deserved it, and have been long prepared to accept it should that event ever occur.
    Further, I'm afraid I must part company with Hopkins on this, feeling he is trying to use the current climate of this subreddit to enact personal revenge against the Kiwi Farms,not to mention find him hypocritical because he just 'doxed" them and that evidence is allowed here while it is utterly verboten to link to the Farms doing the same.
    [–]KeepMinscSJWFree [score hidden]  (1 child)
    Wut? He included the response from the host in the article. Even I have to accept it and I mostly troll Hopkins. Joshua Moon is a pedophile.
    I mean read the guy's ED article FFS, or if you do not trust ED, read what 8Chan and Brennan have to say.
    [–]krptkn [score hidden]  (0 children)
    I've looked into those sources as well, and the only source I can find linking him to alleged pedophilia is a chat conversation between him and another member from the Blockland forum mentioned here, posted on that forum by the other member and then reposted a second time later.
    The chat, assuming for the sake of argument that it isn't a forgery, when read in its entirety, comes across as poorly judged sarcasm between two acquaintances, an unfortunate combination of shock humor and dry humor that is less clear when written and/or online.
    From what I've seen, Moon has never made this argument himself, and is probably wise to have refrained from doing so, since in any case of hearsay like this, not responding is the only way you can really handle it; any other response will inevitably be interpreted by some as guilt, one way or another.
    Even if the chat wasn't faked and what Moon said in it wasn't sarcasm, the guy's no more pedophilic or misogynistic than the average stupid white boy teenager on the internet.
    All in all, I think those threads are worth a read for any interested parties or Kiwifar.ms users, since they follow the same logic many of the threads on Kiwifar.ms follow, trusting hearsay and shady sources as fact and extrapolating wild allegations from that lack of evidence. That's not to say that's the entire site, and many of its 'lolcow' threads are more or less just 'ha ha look at this dumb thing this person did on the internet that's dumb', but it does seem to attract users more and more often who get whipped up into this moral frenzy over unfounded allegations.
    I think if those users were to read others' smear campaigns of their own site's owner, it might make them more self-aware when they start dragging people through the mud and lobbing pedophilia/sexual offender allegations based on random hearsay they dig up on the internet. The site and its userbase overall is no better or worse than any other site devoted to mocking other people, but it does seem to have an increasing tendency toward this same sort of snap judgement personal-army rallying, which is what I'm saying is made more ironic by the anti-Josh Moon stuff published online.
    [–]RaraaraSnowflake Herder 2 points3 points4 points  (5 children)
    Look at all these downvotes and false reports going on.
    [–]Vordrak 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
    I think the Kiwis are a bit salty at being so comprehensively pwned.
    [–]GethN7Perma-banned from twitter for politely BTFOing everyone ever [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Frankly sir, given this is not your first attempt to shut them down over even less, I'm afraid I believe that charge applies more to yourself. I left an explanation why higher up in this thread.
    [–]Mashiki [score hidden]  (0 children)
    I don't support them in the least, but this comes off more as a witch hunt because it's content/people/things you don't like/illegal in your own country. If you know they have illegal content then you need to report it to the appropriate authorities. If you know they're breaking the law by hosting illegal content you need to inform the authorities.
    If they have content that's distasteful/disgusting/offensive/etc., or is illegal in your country but legal in the country that they're hosted in, then you need to simply suck it up. If you support free speech, defending what's offensive is difficult but you still need to defend it. You're more then welcome to write posts about it, but people are also welcome to call out your stuff for what it is too. And that includes authoritarianism or witch hunting like tactics.
    [–]aetfopuc [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Repeated failures to woo baristas, the disaster that was lnfinity Next, and now the collision of two scoops of concentrated autism. Josh just reeks of failure and desperation.
    Also signing up for the farms is quick and easy, if you want to engage its inhabitants in debate on issues of political philosophy, child safety, and media ethics.
    [–]RedLightSabre [score hidden]  (1 child)
    You know, 'Null' can refer to a mathematical value, but it can also refer to a man who has been castrated and had his penis and testicles cut off.
    I wonder why 'Null' chose that online name? Does he want to be castrated to help suppress his pedophile urges? Would make sense.
    [–]GoldenSlash [score hidden]  (0 children)
    That is pretty funny.
    [–]NixonForBreadsident [score hidden]  (0 children)
    KiwiFarms admin is a pedophile
    Wait, anyone suspected different?
    [–]NPerez99 -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
    I like Matthew. That is all. Every post he makes that I see here is just so damn thorough.
    [–]Vordrak -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
    HTH.
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