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Different Perspective-- Players you don't want United to sign in the summer (self.reddevils)

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Been a lot of talk about who we should sign but surely there are opinions about who we shouldn't. Out of the ones we've been linked with, which is a lot, who do you think would be a bad signing (due to quality, price, attitude, etc.)?

My big one is Renato Sanches. The kid's too wildly inconsistent for a commanding transfer fee and we need a world class, more creative midfielder. Not at the stage imo where we should be taking such a gamble.

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[–]ballsywallsyBerbalove 30ポイント31ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't want us to sign Felipe Anderson. We've been linked to him the past few transfer windows and I don't think he's a £46.8m player. We can get other proven players for the amount we'd need to sign him from Lazio.

[–]MoosjeMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thankfully there's no way even our board would be stupid enough to pay that for him after this season and how he's played for Lazio.

[–]-RedditGuyRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

To add to this, I don't think we need any 18-21 year olds who have "potential" but are only "decent" right now. We have a locker load of kids who have bright futures it would be stupid to fork another 50m on a younster right now... imo

[–]Rloughlin03 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't want stones at the reported 50 million. It's a ridiculous fee for a a player that has made a number of mistakes. When laporte is reportedly going for 25mill I ask myself if stones is twice as good.

[–]idunlikeu 28ポイント29ポイント  (10子コメント)

  1. Zlatan. I dont think it's worth it to spend a ton of money on a 35 year old player, who might or might not be good enough for us, specially giving the fact that he's so arrogant and would want to play every game and to be the center of attention on and off the football pitch.

  2. Cavani. I'm still not convinced that he's a world class striker. He's missing way too many sitters, his defensive work is fine, but at the end of the day, you're a striker, not a defender. Add to that the price tag and his age, and I'm totally against him.

  3. I dont want us to sign another random youngster for 50+ million pounds. We were lucky with Martial and I'm not sure that would happen again in the near future.

[–]xtfftcValencia 7ポイント8ポイント  (9子コメント)

If we are getting a forward, he should be someone in their prime or about the hit their prime. This way they can have a lasting impact and can push the youngsters further. Getting someone past their 30s means further lack of balance in the squad. We already have Rooney to fill in the role of "former world class forward with lots of experience but not good enough to deliver week in, week out anymore".

Signing Ibrahimovic only makes sense if we lose Rooney for whatever reason. Just like it made sense to get Larson on loan when Solsjkaer (and Saha) were injured.

With that said, we did not pay 50+ million pounds for Martial, and he's not a random youngster anyway.

[–]Launch_a_poo 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

Buy Ibrahimovic for his ability not his leadership. He looks more than capable of performing every week as his 41 goals in 44 games this season suggests. We need a goalscorer and Zlatan is as good as they come.

[–]fxnba1218Van Persie 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

You cannot compare the french league level with the premier league

[–]Launch_a_poo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Scoring 32 goals in 27 games in difficult for any player and his record against English teams in the Champions League this season (Chelsea and City) is 3 goals and an assist in 4 appearences. There aren't many strikers out there who are better than him

[–]ViromenEric Cantona 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

But not for 550k a week, are you mad? We should make a move for Higuain!

[–]Launch_a_poo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No way he'll be on £550k a week

[–]xtfftcValencia 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's playing in France for a club with next to no competition. He does perform good enough in the CL - but that's done while playing in a league where they are 30 (thirty!) points ahead of second place. Pretending that his great stats mean anything without context is dishonest. Making the move from France to the PL at 35... No one is that good.

Also, we do have goalscorers. We are lacking creators and fighters.

[–]ImperitoJuan Mata 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

French league is a Mickey mouse league.

[–]idunlikeu 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Buying youngsters is always a gamble. They can turn out to be world class, or flop. We don't need any youngsters, since we can see that the academy is doing a good job. We need proven players who can raise the level of our team.

[–]xtfftcValencia 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed, no need for (high profile) youngsters this summer. Of course, if someone of great quality becomes available, it would be wise to sign him - but this should not come at the price of missing out on a couple of top players.

[–]therealpmyer 12ポイント13ポイント  (11子コメント)

I agree with you about Sanches. It seems like he has what is takes to become a great player, but paying 60 million in hopes that the he will turn out to be great and return that investment is just a huge risk, Especially since we need proven quality to come in and add something new to the team immediately.

[–]fakeplasticairbag 19ポイント20ポイント  (6子コメント)

For every Martial there's a few Anderson's. We'd be crazy to keep dipping £50m on these kids

[–]Launch_a_poo 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Anderson's downfall was largely due to his attitude with him getting fat etc.. There are more scenarios than the black and white of Sanches turning into either Martial or Anderson. I'll trust the scouting team on Renato.

[–]ChrisWinterburn 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Narrative neatly misses out the root cause of his fitness problems. Anderson joined at age 18, played a reasonable big part in the 07-08 season and then played at the Beijing Olympics before coming straight back into the side. I'm not saying he didn't have an attitude issue later on but its important to remember the impact such a long spell without a break at such a young age can have.

[–]fakeplasticairbag -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

There's also Nani, Phil Jones, Wilshere, Veloso, Mangala, Walcott, Quaresma, Bojan and countless others

Loads of ultra talented teenagers never make the step up

It's not about not trusting scouts because we all agree he's a super talented teenager, it's that super talented teenagers very often don't convert that to ability down the road and that's not a scout able thing, it's just the risk of signing kids, which is why you shouldnt spend £50m on them paying proven ability prices for potential

[–]Launch_a_poo 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

These were teenagers with potential but not £30m teenagers like Rooney, Shaw, Martial who we have bought in the past. It's too soon to say if Shaw and Martial wil make it but they're looking good. As I said, I'll trust the scouting team. And potential is a scoutable thing.

In response to your edit I'd be all for buying a £40m world class CM over him if one is available

[–]fakeplasticairbag 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

We made £20m for Nani, Anderson and Jones 6-8 years ago

They'd be £30-50m in modern prices. Stones will cost at least that and his situation is basically the same as Jones's was, same for Anderson and Sanches

The point about potential is that Jones, Anderson, Nani, Quaresma, Wilshere etc.. All did have the potential to be top players. The scouting team weren't wrong about them, the ability was there but due to injuries, motivation, homesickness etc.. It didn't happen.

[–]Launch_a_poo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Injuries, motivation, homesickness etc. is a chance you take with all players not just teenagers. If there are world class CMs out there that are willing to go to us then we go for them, if not, then Renato Sanches is still high up the list of good options.

[–]lawanhawizy 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

Zlatan.

With the emergence of Rashford. Signing someone like Ibrahimovic will be a complete circus. I know he's a great striker but I feel with him in the team, the long term effects on Rashford's development will be sizeable.

[–]Launch_a_poo 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's 34 so out of all the strikers we're linked with he'll have the least affect on youth. We are in desperate need of goals and as a United fan you can't compain about a lack of goals but then turn down world class goalscorers "so the youth can develop".

[–]MaieskMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If we signed Zlatan I think we'd see a switch to 4-4-2, at least for some games. Either that or Rashford would play more permanently in the RM role.

[–]TrickyxoneMemphis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

At Zlatans age he wouldn't be able toplay every game in the more physically demanding EPL, he could also switch number 10 with Rooney sometimes giving Martial and Rashford more time up front.

I'd prefer this to spending a fortune on a peak striker who can only play in one position ie Lukaku who would limit their development far more.

[–]WildBuffalo 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not happy with most of the names we've been linked with this summer.

Felipe Anderson is too expensive and just not consistent enough, he's no improvement on someone like Nani.

Sanches seems very expensive for a player of his experience.

I don't know anything about that Rafa guy.

Definitely don't want James either. He's a #10 and lets be honest, Rooney will be playing there next season and James will get shunted out wide where he's too slow. The James transfer sounds like Mata all over again, a signing for the sake of a big-name signing and a player who doesn't really fit us. He'll end up being an expensive elephant in the room like Mata and Felli.

I think Stones is a long way off the standard we need immediately and don't like his price tag. For that money you should be looking for the finished article in Europe.

I'd be happy with Ibra if Rashford was the immediate understudy and Rooney played #10.

I'd really like Gundogan. We need a CM and the price City have been linked with him is very cheap. Instead we're rumoured to be paying twice that for an 18 year old with 6 months senior football.

I don't want us to go crazy in the summer. I think it's imperative we sign 3 top, top players rather than 6 good players. Guys like Rojo, Blind, Schweinsteiger are fine but they're not really improvements on what we had, just... numbers. Go blow £150m on a top CB, CM and RW and get Ibra on a free. I just don't think James, Stones and Sanches are those 3 top players that will get us back to the top next season. They may be great one day but we don't have 5 years spare to wait for that.

[–]DANNYWELBECK12345De Gea -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Stones is a phenomenal player and we can't let Pep get him at City, you can't rate any of Everton's defense with Martinez tactics

[–]TrickyxoneMemphis 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've seen him play for England u21 and he was just as bad and making the same mistakes.

[–]ChickenSun 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can I just make the point that although Sanchez would be a risk he fits our historic transfer profile. We've always bought foreign talented youngsters mixed in with the best premier league players. I think it's served us pretty well in the past.

[–]homa-bird 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

  • Lukaku, he's another Benteke, not fast or technically sound enough to play in a possession minded side, benching Rashford for that kind of player would be a tragedy.

  • Ibra : immobile, doesn't run anymore, worst pairing with Rooney I can come up with...

[–]dudefiseDe Gea 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I really, really don't think that we should bring back Anderson. Or make any attempt to pick Falcao back up.

Seriously though, brining Ronaldo back is just stupid.

[–]Zxcvbnm123_ 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Lmao where did you read anderson and falcao back?

[–]TrickyxoneMemphis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wrong Anderson, the rumours are Philipe from Lazio not the one who played for us.

[–]Xanian123Shaw 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Felipe Anderson, Ross Barkley, Renato sanches, gaitan (obviously), lukaku and mats hummels.

[–]knoxisbackMemphis[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (6子コメント)

Hummels? He and Boateng are the best ball-playing defenders around..

[–]mufcirclejerk -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

He's looked very limited this season.

[–]MoosjeMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sticking to your name I see haha, he started the season shaky for some unknown reason but as the season progressed he actually went back to the Hummels of old, and has played pretty damn well for club and country. He's obviously had poor games and he'd still be a fitness concern which is why I don't want him, but he's not been as awful as everyone makes out.

[–]TaeTaeDSMemphis 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

He was terrible against Liverpool.

[–]MoosjeMartial 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I knew his latest game most people would have watched would have been brought into it and I almost added a comment on the Liverpool game specifically but thought the bit where I mentioned he's had bad games (you know, like literally every player does?) was enough. Dortmund in general were flat last game, and that game was an outlier in every sense of the word.

[–]TaeTaeDSMemphis 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

So can he really be considered world class if he can't clear a lobbed cross atleast twice in 1 half?

[–]MoosjeMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just don't think it's right to judge a player off one half, personally, but if that's how you watch football, enjoy.

Hummels has had multiple world class seasons and was as important as any other player in winning the World Cup for his country. People are judging him based on his start to this season, because they don't watch Bundesliga so they just mimic what everyone else says to sound knowledgable. This issue is compounded by the fact that those same people probably DID watch the Liverpool game, where he was admittedly poor, and they use this to affirm their previous "knowledge".

[–]omegaxLoLAnder Herrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Renato Sanches by a mile. Nowhere near ready for a move to one of the biggest clubs in the world right now.

[–]MalforianSchweinsteiger -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ronaldo, let it go

[–]xmd2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gaitan - We get linked with him every transfer window.