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The Last Twenty People On Earth (self.TheRedPill)

Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey が 投稿

We often hear tales and advice about how we should "Keep TRP to ourselves", to hide it and only discuss it with other like minded individuals, to keep it like a secret to prevent backlash or judgement or what have you.

I've always been on the side that says: Fuck that.

Now, the backlash and anger is real, but like Oscar Wilde once said, "If you want to tell people the truth make them laugh; if you don't they'll kill you."

So throughout my time I've learned, like our wise men of the past, to put my lessons into quick stories and paraboles that are easy to digest for the masses. This is one of them.

Imagine that there was twenty people on Earth, 10 men and 10 women, faced with the knowledge that they were indeed the last of us.

Now, the 10 men, pragmatic as we are, would do a quick assessment of the situation; they would see the biggest, strongest man and rank themselves based off of that. Then they would look at the women and see who was going where, a basic 1s matching up with 1s and so on.

While some squabbling would occur, most of the 10 men would understand their role and situation and fill in accordingly; men instinctively know their roles and while a few Omegas will turn their plight into social destruction and a few betas will try and rise up, for the most part, knowing they now lack the protection of a coddling society, their fear and survival would override those feelings.

The 10 women would all try and fuck the best guy.

He would take the 2-3 best ones and the other 7 would now let their egos go crazy as there was 9 guys for the 7 of them. This is when the violence would start, when the men realized there wasn't enough women to go around.

This is when the men would pair up based on race and if they were all the same race they would band together based on Age/Culture/So on and so on. This is when men would die. This is when they would kill each other or outcast each other.

And this, my friends, is why it's not a food shortage or a water shortage signals the end of humanity, but a shortage of women worth raising a family with.

This is why every religion has made it their duty since ancient times to control and harbor female sexuality. They knew, even then, that sex was the ultimate motivator and that women's ability to be insatiable could lead to trouble.

Hypergamy is a great motivator, it makes men work hard to achieve the best possible results, but left unchecked, it leads to the same issues we have in places like wartorn Africa, the Middle East, and every ghetto in America:

A large swath of men incapable of having sex and/or raising a family which in turn leads to violence. There's a reasons suburbs are so safe: Away from the sexual competition of the urban lights, men can live as neighbors, safe that their women and family are there's, that they no longer have to fight and compete for happiness.

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[–]103342 24ポイント25ポイント  (4子コメント)

The time when marriage made the most sense was when the family decided who was the daughter going to marry.

We lost track of the reasons we did what we did.

Why does every civilization to prosper on earth had some sort of regulation on sex?

Why was virginity pedestalized in so many isolated cultures?

Why is marriage so common in so many of these cultures?

Citing J.D. Unwin:

The whole of human history does not contain a single instance of a group becoming civilized unless it has been absolutely monogamous, nor is there any example of a group retaining its culture after it has adopted less rigorous customs.

Understanding this is pretty mind-blowing. We can pinpoint the exact moment we are in history: abundance, losing track of morality, etc.

[–]walking_ape 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Monogamous? Most cultures were polygamous, with the caveat that only a man is allowed multiple wives; a woman is not allowed multiple husbands.

[–]bluedrygrass 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

He specified succesfull ones.

Isolated tribes in the middle of the forest are stuck to stone age

[–]walking_ape 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Chinese culture not successful? Islamic culture not successful? At least you've got to admit they succeeded in conquering massive areas of land.

[–]1TheJunkieMonk 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

ahhhhh things like this make me feel good to be a Muslim. Also, I can marry more than 1 wife.

[–]Philhelm 34ポイント35ポイント  (14子コメント)

I'd either preemptively murder the other nine men in order to secure my role as the only breeder, or kill all ten women so that we can finally have a rational society for a few decades.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey[S] 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

Both those ideas are utterly retarded

First idea would only work if you were the ultimate alpha and even then the other nine men would rise up and kill you.

Secondly why would you want a fully rational world. You sound like engineering majors who think they're the only major that matters.

What's the point of a world without beauty and art? What's the point of existing at that point?

[–]1Dis_mah_mobile_one 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Kill the lowest two men, or even two men at random. Or, in times past, lose two men to accidents, warfare or disease.

8 men for 10 women builds in abundance, while still leaving enough men to actually get shit done.

All else being equal, a slight majority of women in a society fixes an awful lot of intersexual problems.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Kill two men?

If they had that in them they wouldn't be bottom two

[–]bluedrygrass 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Secondly why would you want a fully rational world. You sound like engineering majors who think they're the only major that matters.

What's the point of a world without beauty and art? What's the point of existing at that point?

His idea is retarded, but because he was specifically provoking, i think. While the first one wouldn't work, the second one would indeed create a nice society.

I don't know where you got that idea that retionality=boredom, nothing happens, people just study and adjust their glasses.

It couldn't be further from the truth.

In fact, it can easily be noticed the pattern that the more rational, logic societies of the past are the ones that spawned the best and most art.

Think about ancient Greece. Home of the philosofers, the rationalists, the stoics. Their art is still marveled today. Other societies of the time were much wilder ("funnier" the dumbs would say, while in practice, unless you love living in a constant state of fear or assassin euphory, they were all but funnier), and they didn't produce more than some rude half assed stuff.

Venice, Rome, are the most beautiful, artistically speaking, cities of the world. They spawned in highly organized, lawful and rational empires. Today they're going to shit, because the people that live in those cities are losing rationality.

[–]FreyWill -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I'm definitely gonna go against the norm and say an Arts degree is one of the most important educations you can receive.

[–]1Thenextprince 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Society would die out though.

[–]EdmontonDanceMusic 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

A moot point as 20 people will never repopulate into a healthy race

[–]IAMAwhitecismaleAMA 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes they would. You'd just have to make sure one man took only one woman to help genetic diversity. It would be vital to come up with a strict system like say... religion.

[–]TwentyYearsAgo 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Says who? Top hits on Google suggest at least 32, 50 or 160.

[–]bluedrygrass 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

So few? I remember a teacher told us the minimum is 200 men and 200 women (in a spaceship for example), to avoid excessive interbreeding in the next countless generations

[–]1Thenextprince 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Fair point. I blame my optimism for not seeing that. Explain further though?

[–]EdmontonDanceMusic 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have heard (and by heard I mean hastily Googled) 70-several thousands suggested as the minimum viable population size for humans, but not anything lower.

Let us also not forget the parable of Cain and Abel.

[–]jethreezy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here's a relevant article to read up: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1936-magic-number-for-space-pioneers-calculated/

[–]scarletspider3 10ポイント11ポイント  (9子コメント)

How can it possibly help us if red pill went mainstream? Imagine how much harder our mission would be if every single guy was hitting the gym and raising his SMV all the while putting women everywhere in their place. Women won't just choose the best like they do now, they would choose the best of the best. We would then all be killing ourselves to raise our SMV even more than we are now. Shit it already is bad because now everyone is at the gym to the point where women now think that men are just born that way.

[–]DennisReynoldsAMA 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Agreed. It's already bad enough that more Men are trying to improve their SMV than women, so then we'd have an imbalanced gender SMV ratio. Too many ripped dudes and too little hot chicks, and too many fat chicks. I think if trp was less known the better for those in it.

[–]scarletspider3 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shit tell me about it. These days you have fat single mom's trying to make demands

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

You mean making the world a better place?

A place where good women weren't at a shortage and you didn't have to play stupid fucking games to get and maintain them? Where you could be a good man with a good job and show them a good life?

Yeah why would anyone ever want that

[–]BrokenPangea 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Your objection misses a small detail:

The people you personally awaken are going to be your friends, which, if your friends are kick ass they are probably going to raise you up.

[–]bluedrygrass 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How do you think past societies, MUCH more red pilled than ours, worked? Better than this one

[–]Bigjohnthug 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Imagine how much harder our mission would be if every single guy was hitting the gym and raising his SMV

Wait... Isn't the mission of the Redpill to fundamentally change the system within which we live so as to make it better for all people? Or did you just wanna get ripped and fuck girls while Rome burns?

[–]bruh_my_jays 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think it would be just as likely for a man to force himself upon one of the women in this scenario as it would be for him to act violently against his male competitors. Especially if all he wants is sex.

What sounds easier, for him to physically overcome one of the females or to physically overcome one of the other sexually frustrated males?

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

  1. Rape would all but die in this scenario. He couldn't rape the top 3 women without the Alpha Male killing him.

  2. The only man who would need to rape would be the bottom 2 males, the weakest amongst them. They would be crushed by the other 8.

  3. Women are such a valuable source that they would be genuinely protected and cared about.

  4. In history, the most common rape has always and will always come from times or war and poverty. Rape drops with wealth and women available.

[–]bruh_my_jays 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is all assuming that the alpha male has polygamous or polyamorous tendencies, which largely depends on his temperament. My point would still stand for the top eight males defaulting to violence against women. History has proven that men of any stripe with regards to social standing are willing to use both physical force and deception to attain sex, regardless of whether or not they legitimately "need" to.

Women are such a valuable source that they would be genuinely protected and cared about.

I would potentially agree with this, but I would place a caveat. Pregnant or pregnable women are the ones with value. Otherwise, they are seen as men in how they ought to contribute to the pack. They are not impervious to violence, and their frailty makes them, along with the the lower-tier males, easy targets.

In history, the most common rape has always and will always come from times or war and poverty. Rape drops with wealth and women available.

Again, I agree, and this scenario is depicting exactly that. A world where people have scarcely any valuable property, and where the population of women match the population of men 10:10. The lack of genetic diversity alone would drive them all to interbreed, the alpha male would simply be the first one in.

[–]tb87670 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

He would take the 2-3 best ones and the other 7 would now let their egos go crazy as there was 9 guys for the 7 of them. This is when the violence would start, when the men realized there wasn't enough women to go around

This isn't correct. Naturally all men would agree to a single woman each in such an equal numbers instance, the one that gets greedy with 2 or more women himself would be killed by the rest, the women that 'cheated' with him would be cast out and the one meant for the dead male would be the replacement for the cast out one. The two offenders would be gone essentially.

Even in the past men did not step on each others toes when it comes to women, societies with no laws against murder were the most polite societies. Swiping a woman out from under a guy you are going to be sneak-killed or straight up killed, either way we all know in our guts you do not do that to fellow man. That feeling of being a beta AFC, lots of us felt that. Now imagine if you could act on it with those 'jerk/jocks' that the women were banging without pesky laws or law enforcement in the way. This is why that shit wasn't as blatant in the past.

I had a discussion with someone earlier about how 80/20 is not the natural state of things like a few claim here on TRP. 80/20 wrongs too many males and there would be too many internal killings within a supposedly 'friendly' group. Back in tribal times men had to work together just to eat. No, 80/20 is a recent development due to social pressures and lack of punishment for female cheating and in fact there is resource gain for a woman to cheat with the current marriage laws. That is why 80/20 exists today, women can get away with it and are even encouraged to do so.

The only other times in history this has happened entire civilizations were destroyed as in off the damn map forever. It destabilizes the nuclear family, reduces overall population reproduction rate, reduces motivation in so many men that productivity is down, and it happens only because political correctness took over and in our case today it's because in the hippy days not enough men stomped down on this bullshit behavior leading to the pickle we are in now. Currently a few men get fed up and go on killing sprees even, it's that bad. If it keeps happening at the current pace, going from 70% divorce rate to say 90%, too many men will be wronged and it will be too blatant. Women are already miserable and downing anti-depressants in record numbers since they fuck themselves into useless lumps on the CC in the years they should have chosen a single proper mate and they either never realize it or realize it too late like in their 40's. They just don't get that they are harming themselves for the temporary sexual satisfaction that also comes at the expense of the majority of men going sexless, it makes no sense. Women get what they claim to want and both sexes are miserable, men induce the so-called 'patriarchy' that feminists claims to be evil and both sexes were much happier.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

80/20 is the inevitability of female hypergamy. Not specific in the number, just the concept once you factor in women with self control, women incapable of getting high value men, etc.

But harems have always existed for the men at the top. Great men impregnating lots of women is how we got here in the first place.

[–]tb87670 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Harems only existed because medieval warfare literally killed off the competition. When men died by the thousands in each battle or at least by the hundreds in just skirmishes how many women does that leave back at home with the near 50/50 male-female birthrate ratio? That was simply natural because there were fewer living men than women. 80/20 is not the inevitability of hypergamy, it's lack of control of hypergamy. Once resources and safety are abundant women will want to look around, sure, but they won't knowing that once they 'cheat' on their mate they will lose him and the 'new' one might only be there for sex without having to provide, once the new one has to provide he will bail. The female wouldn't risk it. 80/20 only happens because today women can get both resource and protection while still fucking around. Right now we live in one of the low-points in history where this is allowed to go without punishment. 80/20 doesn't happen at any other time besides these few historical low-points and until this behavior isn't rewarded it will keep up and the downward spiral will continue to accelerate.

[–]DarkConquerer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually there is some truth to what your saying. This video was posted a couple days ago on this sub, and although it shows that hypergamy exists in all societies, it's less pronounced in hunter gatherer societies, and was much more pronounced around the neolithic revolution (and to some extent, today). There's a bunch of other really interesting stuff in there as well, I highly recommend you watch it.

[–]_looking_around_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

reduces motivation in so many men that productivity is down

And this is the exact reason it is self-limiting. As productivity declines, resources decline. To try and compensate massive welfare systems are implemented which end up requiring increased productivity to fund. The ends stop meeting in the middle and fancy financial engineering (fraud) tries to fill the gap. Ultimately the whole system crashes and burns and we have a great reset.

[–]ThorLives 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your scenario reminds me of a story told in the "Red Queen" book. I don't recall the details from the book, but here they are from wikipedia.

In 1790, nine of the mutineers from the Bounty, along with the native Tahitian men and women who were with them (six men, eleven women and a baby girl), settled on Pitcairn Islands and set fire to the Bounty.

So, the Pitcairn islands started with 15 men, 11 women, and one baby.

Can you take a guess where this is going?

Although the settlers survived by farming and fishing, the initial period of settlement was marked by serious tensions among them. Alcoholism, murder, disease and other ills took the lives of most mutineers and Tahitian men.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitcairn_Islands

Gradually, tensions and rivalries arose over the increasing extent to which the Europeans regarded the Tahitians as their property, in particular the women who, according to Alexander, were "passed around from one 'husband' to the other".[185] In September 1793 matters degenerated into extreme violence, when five of the mutineers—Christian, Williams, Martin, Mills, and Brown—were killed by Tahitians in a carefully executed series of murders. Christian was set upon while working in his fields, first shot and then butchered with an axe; his last words, supposedly, were "Oh, dear!"[188][n 12] In-fighting continued thereafter, and by 1794 the six Tahitian men were all dead, killed by the widows of the murdered mutineers or by each other.[190]

Two of the four surviving mutineers, Young and Adams, assumed leadership and secured a tenuous calm, which was disrupted by the drunkenness of McCoy and Quintal after the former distilled an alcoholic beverage from a local plant.[183] Some of the women attempted to leave the island in a makeshift boat, but could not launch it successfully. Life continued uneasily until McCoy's suicide in 1798. A year later, after Quintal threatened fresh murder and mayhem, Adams and Young killed him and were able to restore peace.[191]

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutiny_on_the_Bounty

In other words, 10 years after the initial arrival on the island, 1 man was left alive (out of the original 15). The cause of death for the 14 men: 1 committed suicide, 1 died, and 12 were murdered. Ten women survived (they didn't mention how the 1 died).

[–]railatx 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah, there would be a few gays or lesbians left over, I've seen it on the walking dead. Always gays left over at end times.

[–]quansau1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've seen this same line of reasoning multiple times, it's close but falls short of the mark. The truth is that people act a certain way, organizing into social norms, then religion comes in and explains why the now existing norms are the divinely ma dated ones. For example, there are many cultures throughout the world in which woman will have multiple husbands, and vice versa. We are usually judging all action through our own socially conditioned paradigms, unaware that we have these underlying notions of correct and incorrect organization. Think of it this way, we are born onto a set with predetermined acting rolls, when one character does not follow said roll, he/she is ostracized and judged. But there are many sets, and they were not crafted by a council but rather by small shifts over time in what the general population regards as normal. You have seen this in our own lifetimes if you look at the Catholic Churches stance towards gay people, or Mormons to black people/poligamy. And of course, we are balls deep in our general society regarding the shame/non shame of girls being proud of their sluttiness.

[–]stonepimpletilists 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Clever story...

I may steal that. Probably change a few details to fit in with the bar girls of my youth... Just so I can tell this story and have someone 'get it'

I've already got my hands full having my spouse youtube research refugees in sweeden. I've opened the floodgates

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Why is she reasearching Sweden? Is she looking how to master the art of the Cuck because that's Sweden's primary export at this point.

[–]stonepimpletilists 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Because I've gotten her hooked on Donald Trump

[–]venicerocco -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Its the blind leading the stupid.

[–]bluedrygrass 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

At least it's not the ull leading the cuck, as you seem to prefer