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submitted by ArchangelleFoodcakeOF OUR BRD'S FREEDOM[M] - stickied post
Some of you may have already seen this somewhat bizarre MSNBC article about The_Donald that includes a quote from me. I wanted to make this thread to give folks a place to talk about the article, The_Donald, and more broadly the future of this subreddit.
First, the article. To me and others on the modteam it reads as oddly admiring of CisWhiteMaelstrom's supposed trolling skills. Which is a weird thing to write an article about to begin with, but here we are. We're in an election cycle in which this exchange between a New York Times reporter and a mod of The_Donald appears to be a thing that happened. Not to mention, an election cycle in which Donald Trump is poised to win the Republican nomination for president. So we're already on some Twilight Zone level shit. But this MSNBC piece is just a strange account of how CisWhiteMaelstrom supposedly grew The_Donald by riling up left-wing subreddits in order to get outrage clicks. Even though SRS - a subreddit that one would think would have to be central to that kind of strategy - hasn't featured The_Donald at all as it's been considered low-hanging fruit from the beginning, a fact that Benjy Sarlin reports in the article but doesn't really square with the piece's overall narrative. The whole thing seems like some "church of the savvy" type reporting - venerating machinations and strategy over substance - but it's just bizarre that a major outlet like NBC would focus that kind of lens on an internet troll when it's usually reserved for fawning over political strategists. MSNBC also missed an opportunity (as did NYT before them) to report on the relationship between The_Donald and the white supremacist 4chan board /pol/, which is the major force behind the activity of the sub. But on the bright side, at least the attention given to The_Donald represents a further erosion of the Reddit brand. It's clear to me that 2016 is the year that Reddit embraces its true nature as a right-wing site - if the election is Clinton against Trump then Reddit will undoubtedly support Trump. So at least more people are being exposed to what Reddit is really about.
That being the case, what does that mean for SRS? Sarlin quoted me on this issue but I want to give more of my answer here to flesh it out:
I will say that now that The_Donald is the second-most active subreddit, we're seriously leaning towards removing it from the low-hanging fruit list and featuring it going forward. It's really put us in quite the bind. The only thing that made our subreddit remotely interesting to begin with is that Reddit conceives of itself as liberal and progressive, so we were pushing back against that and cataloging the many ways the site is a regressive cesspit. There would have been next to no point in doing the same sort of cataloging for say, /pol/ or Stormfront, because they are openly white supremacist sites and nobody saw them differently than that. Now that Reddit is turning into /pol/ in real-time it sort of throws our whole raison d'etre out the window, although honestly it's been a long time coming.
So yeah - ShitPolSays or ShitStormfrontSays - there's a place for those kinds of undertakings but it's never been what this sub is about. We've tried to highlight the regressive shit that's accepted, normalized, and encouraged on mainstream Reddit and in our society at large. If we start accepting submissions from The_Donald, we basically become ShitPolSays. And yet, The_Donald is the second-most active subreddit, a constant presence on the frontpage, and /pol/'s favorite candidate is the Republican frontrunner. So we are where we are, and we're going to do a two-week trial of accepting submissions from The_Donald. If Reddit's going to become a Trump site then we may as well chronicle it. We're also going to move KiA to the low-hanging fruit list to try to keep the openly alt-right content to a low roar (also because KiA stopped doing their hilarious Braveheart-type speeches a while ago and now it's just boring). We definitely want your feedback though, so let us know what you think in the comments.
It all makes me feel some type of way. It feels like we're well past the point where anyone considers Reddit a good or positive or progressive place. When the average person who follows the news thinks of Reddit, I believe they think of four things: jailbait, creepshots, the Boston Bombers debacle, and the 2014 celebrity photo hack. Maybe add to that list the site's users bullying Ellen Pao out of the company. So in some ways we at SRS are victims of our own success given we were the primary force behind drawing public attention to /r/jailbait and /r/creepshots. The point is Reddit's brand has been more or less destroyed and cataloging the shit Reddit says feels more pointless by the day. Throwing The_Donald into the mix only exacerbates that.
So what do, brds? We burned Reddit down (at least the Reddit brand), now what? The mods would like to focus more on community-building projects. We're going to start doing daily chat threads in Prime and we'll see how that goes. We're also going to really try to steer people to /r/SRSBusiness, which despite the obscure name is meant to be the Fempire's catch-all/general sub. It really seems like that's the one thing the Fempire is lacking is an active miscellaneous space like what Ghazi has become. What else should we be doing to make the Fempire great again?
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[–]Minn-ee-sottaaI don't hate crops. Just crop agriculture -31 points-32 points-33 points  (2 children)
I was thinking that daily chat threads would be good. Sometimes I have a really cool thing that happened in my life that I would like to talk about within this community but there's nowhere for me to do it.
[–]KUmitchsocial justice paladin -12 points-13 points-14 points  (1 child)
same! a lot of other subs I follow have "free talk" or discussion threads and they always go really well. I think SRS has one of the most fun communities on Reddit so I think similar threads would work great here
[–]PrettyIceCubeOF OUR BRD'S KINDLING -9 points-10 points-11 points  (0 children)
Yeah I have high hopes for the daily chat posts.
[–]koronicuspersecutor of manchildren -32 points-33 points-34 points  (1 child)
So if this change in their "no racism" rule is meant to be an invitation for more islamophobia, I guess they've finally conceded that that shit is racist. Checkmate, reddit.
[–]FUCKGRINGOS -33 points-34 points-35 points  (12 children)
Rape is something I feel so strongly about and I believe no muslim should ever do to a woman.
White boys doing it is fine, tho’.
[–]True_Eaglelibrarian -20 points-21 points-22 points  (11 children)
They're like 90% redpillers so most of them are serial rapists too.
[–]FUCKGRINGOS -8 points-9 points-10 points  (6 children)
The definition of a redpiller appears to be ‘somebody who wasn’t always a misogynist, but later became one.’
[–]emma-_______a rogue, misandric Amazon determined to purge all men from Earth -15 points-16 points-17 points  (1 child)
More like ‘somebody who didn't always identify as a misogynist, but does now.’ They were usually really sexist to begin with, but just didn't think of themselves that way.
[–]FUCKGRINGOS -3 points-4 points-5 points  (0 children)
Thanks for the correction!
[–]True_Eaglelibrarian -5 points-6 points-7 points  (3 children)
That's one way of saying forever alone bitter losers.
[–]FUCKGRINGOS -2 points-3 points-4 points  (2 children)
But there are, in fact, women who are self‐loathing and desperate enough to be anywhere near them. They even have a separate sub called r/redpillwomen.
[–]True_Eaglelibrarian -9 points-10 points-11 points  (1 child)
I'm pretty sure that's just their redpills alt accounts. It's their waifu pillows.
[–]VorpalEskimoSummum bonum in mundo exterminium "albus populo". -1 point-2 points-3 points  (0 children)
It does come off as a lot of that, but then you have the women who are actually coming around to feminist principles. Oh, there was some primo drama about that stuff.
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    [–]True_Eaglelibrarian -1 point-2 points-3 points  (0 children)
    Nah they're still rapists when it's not a matter of if but when.
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      [–]RacistPuffin -15 points-16 points-17 points  (2 children)
      that first link made me throw up in my mouth a little not gonna lie.
      [–]ameoba -15 points-16 points-17 points  (1 child)
      He clearly has an actual cuckold fetish.
      [–]VoteRonaldRayGunEsq. Dilderbrd Group -24 points-25 points-26 points  (0 children)
      I've been to cinemas with less projection.
      [–]Hindu_Wardrobeoppressive kegels -7 points-8 points-9 points  (0 children)
      Jesus, the satire writes itself.
      [–]True_Eaglelibrarian -11 points-12 points-13 points  (0 children)
      Benjy Sarlin is questionable at best in his ability to be a legitimate reporter after that disgusting fluff piece. Clearly, the hero worship of a racist redpiller like ciswhitelonelyneckbeard is toxic as fuck. Benjy and his editor who approved the piece should be shown the door so they can get a job at breitbart or some other self-contained barf bag of a "news" outlet. How embarrassing for NBC. Hope someone above the head of the editor takes note and the heads in question roll!
      [–]Minn-ee-sottaaI don't hate crops. Just crop agriculture -109 points-110 points-111 points  (3 children)
      Also ciswhitemaelstrom actually uses "SJW" unironically, in real life, and to an MSNBC interviewer. That is plain hilarious.
      [–]Halyconnn -68 points-69 points-70 points  (2 children)
      That mail he sent as an answer as to why he wished to stay annonymous was one of the most cringe inducing things i have ever read.
      [–]thor_moleculez -16 points-17 points-18 points  (0 children)
      I was trying to figure out how that was an actual answer to Herrman's question and I just couldn't do it. It really just looks like unhinged bloviating.
      [–]Ausfall -0 points-1 point-2 points  (0 children)
      Yeah, he doesn't want shitheads to harass him. Just ask every single other person who has been the target of online harassment if they enjoyed that.
      [–]trainfanyayIf Mickey loses the primaries I'm voting for Donald Duck. -39 points-40 points-41 points  (1 child)
      We're also going to move KiA to the low-hanging fruit list
      Welp, there's always Tuesday...
      Also The_Donald's unsettling popularity reminds me of this xkcd comic. But of course, that would imply that reddit wasn't every bit as terrible as it appeared to be.
      [–]wraithpriest -13 points-14 points-15 points  (0 children)
      Also The_Donald's unsettling popularity reminds me of this xkcd comic. But of course, that would imply that reddit wasn't every bit as terrible as it appeared to be.
      The only reason I have hope that it isn't that terrible is the fact that every person I know in real life that uses reddit are left leaning, proLGBT, feminists.
      Although, to be fair, almost everyone I know is.
      [–]LiberalParadiseThey targeted comedians. Comedians. -116 points-117 points-118 points  (9 children)
      I think at this point it's not enough to proclaim Reddit as the #1 hate site in the world. News outlets are already aware of that. What we need to focus on is exposing the Reddit admins for what they really are, like when one of them told /r/blackladies to stop being "uppity" or how its current CEO literally brought on a scapegoat to make unpopular changes without getting the blame for it and then went on to say he had no problem with Reddit being #1 with racists.
      Reddit admins like to think they are these leaders in the Internet circle when it comes to net neutrality, thinking their fight is on par for the fight for free speech in places like Iran or China, when they're just knowingly defending the last defense for America's bigotry and thinking the casualties along the way are okay because free speech is put up on a higher pedestal by them than gun rights are by neoconservatives.
      It's time to expose Reddit for what it really is...Fox News: For Kids.
      tl;dr: BRD
      [–]Minn-ee-sottaaI don't hate crops. Just crop agriculture -23 points-24 points-25 points  (5 children)
      Frankly, I don't see how it's going to change anything. Trump is leading the GOP race, and his brand of dog-whistle to megaphone racism is widespread in society. I don't know what we can do at this point. :(
      [–]LiberalParadiseThey targeted comedians. Comedians. -43 points-44 points-45 points  (4 children)
      We're not going to change that. It's far better to highlight that--every sign a Trump supporter holds up that says, "the silent majority stands with Trump" is just another sign that says, "the white race stands with Trump." It's literally Southern Strategy employed first by Nixon to great effect. Keep this dump handy when Trump supporters try and play the laughable, "Where did Trump say something bad" angle.
      This is literally George Wallace sweeping the Republican Party. The best possible outcome is Trump cinches the nomination and the party collapses after he doesn't win a single electoral vote. Yes, it means we have to put up with seven months of garbage, but the payoff at the end will be amazing. The deluge of tears that will come from conservatives, both young and old alike, will be worth the wait.
      [–]wak90 -12 points-13 points-14 points  (1 child)
      Look, I'm all about reading stupid shit that trump said but that list is like 75 pages long and I don't think I'm exaggerating.
      I want to procrastinate at work, not get fired.
      [–]LiberalParadiseThey targeted comedians. Comedians. -5 points-6 points-7 points  (0 children)
      You don't have to read it, but it goes to prove a point--the list is so long that it would take a long time to read it all. Trump has said that much garbage and bile.
      [–]Ls777 -3 points-4 points-5 points  (1 child)
      Instead of a fast route to easy money, these Trump University students say they found generic seminars led by salesmen who pressured them to invest more cash in additional courses. The students say they didn’t learn Trump’s secrets and never received the one-on-one guidance they expected.
      It’s a chapter of Trump’s past that shows how he sometimes defies the usual laws of campaign physics. Such allegations of multi­million-dollar fraud might sink other candidates, but in Trump’s case, even some of the students who felt duped said they haven’t given up on him: They like Trump. They admire him. They might even vote for him.
      “He says what he means, not like politicians, not like Obama,” said Louie Liu of Hurst, Tex. Liu, a motel owner, said in a sworn affidavit that he paid $1,495 for a three-day seminar, then felt lured into paying $24,995 for more classes, an online training program and a three-day in-person mentorship. A few days later, he called to ask for a refund, but his request was rejected. Trump University, he concluded, was a “scam.”
      I have no words
      [–]ameoba -1 point-2 points-3 points  (0 children)
      Sounds like Scientology to me.
      [–]SmuttsI'll call you on your shit - please call me on mine -13 points-14 points-15 points  (2 children)
      How did I miss that brigade? Holy shit!
      [–]SomeDrunkCommieI don't hate white culture, I just hate white people -11 points-12 points-13 points  (1 child)
      the one in /r/blackladies? That was over a year ago, I think.
      [–]Altiondsols -6 points-7 points-8 points  (0 children)
      Referring to /r/blackladies brigades as separate events is a bit misleading. It's basically just one huge stream of brigaders, literally constantly for years, that sometimes flares up and sometimes dies down slightly.
      [–]trainfanyayIf Mickey loses the primaries I'm voting for Donald Duck. -41 points-42 points-43 points  (8 children)
      CisWhiteMaelstrom (let’s call him “Cis”) told MSNBC over the phone that he is a law student in his early 20s looking to go into whichever field will allow him to make the most money.
      "Professor, may I get an extension on my take-home exam? Yeah I'm really swamped with being perpetually on reddit."
      [–]Deadlifted -13 points-14 points-15 points  (4 children)
      If dude wants to be rich, unless he's at a top 10 law school, he ain't gonna be rich.
      Source: Not rich attorney.
      [–]Pyrolytic⊹⋛⋋( ՞ਊ ՞)⋌⋚⊹ -10 points-11 points-12 points  (0 children)
      It's okay... you can be super-rich if you're just making up your persona out of whole cloth lies.
      [–]Minn-ee-sottaaI don't hate crops. Just crop agriculture -1 point-2 points-3 points  (1 child)
      How is the pay in civil rights or public policy law? I'm assuming it's not good but I dream of moving to someplace like New York City and if I'm going to have to live in a closet I think I'll just end up staying in the Twin Cities.
      [–]Deadlifted -1 point-2 points-3 points  (0 children)
      I have no idea. It's probably way more rewarding than what I do (insurance defense).
      [–]Waltzer_White -12 points-13 points-14 points  (2 children)
      There was another notorious redditurd who was a law student, and he failed the 'character' test or something and couldn't become a lawyer. Anyone remember that?
      WAIT: edit, i think this is actually a manosphere / red pill celebrity - unclear if reddit user.
      [–]ognitsi add neckbeard tears to my martinis -4 points-5 points-6 points  (1 child)
      Are you thinking of Zach Jesse, the banned MTG player, maybe?
      [–]Waltzer_White -0 points-1 point-2 points  (0 children)
      Yes, I think this is correct. I believe this guy raped a female MTG player?
      Geez. I can see where my mind went wrong on this. TRP is full of proud rapists so it's easy to get confused.
      [–]Minn-ee-sottaaI don't hate crops. Just crop agriculture -26 points-27 points-28 points  (8 children)
      Just a suggestion but have you considered expanding the Fempire with annexations / alliances? The -broke subs and a lot of the radical left subs align really closely with the ideals of SRSPrime and the Fempire, a lot of the community already overlaps. AgainstHateSubreddits is a valuable ally too.
      [–]JohnRobyTaim 55:4 -7 points-8 points-9 points  (4 children)
      AgainstHateSubreddits is good, but they showcase things with zero karma, and dumb stuff like brigading (as though it really mattered). It's just SRS with less rules and less circlequeefing, really.
      [–]Minn-ee-sottaaI don't hate crops. Just crop agriculture -11 points-12 points-13 points  (0 children)
      And the moderation within it is too weak, too many sea lions come in.
      But that's why SRS can make it great again!
      [–]Waltzer_White -16 points-17 points-18 points  (2 children)
      tbf I think AHS will showcase brigading because sometimes that's the only thing that will get a sub banned. On reddit you can get away with as much hate speech as you can think of, calls to violence, etc., but you better not vote in a linked thread, that's the real problem.
      I don't think reddit cares anymore, anyway. I believe three times now AHS has highlighted instances of mods calling to dox people, and all that happened was that a thread was deleted, unclear by admin or by the mods themselves (after it got enough visibility for a few hours).
      Reddit used to take doxxing seriously, but not now. The alt-right can do whatever they damn well please on this garbage dump of a site.
      [–]JohnRobyTaim 55:4 -8 points-9 points-10 points  (0 children)
      Reddit used to take doxxing seriously, but not now. The alt-right can do whatever they damn well please on this garbage dump of a site.
      BRD.
      [–]emma-_______a rogue, misandric Amazon determined to purge all men from Earth -5 points-6 points-7 points  (2 children)
      Honestly a lot of the subs like that aren't as good as they seem, they're just look good relative to the rest of reddit. For example the /r/circlebroke subs share a mod with watchpeopledie, subredditcancer, and cutefemalecorpes. And /r/AntiNazi has the creator of The_Donald as the top mod.
      [–]Minn-ee-sottaaI don't hate crops. Just crop agriculture -6 points-7 points-8 points  (0 children)
      Yeah, I actually did have some concerns about the broke mods, but the community is very similar to ours here.
      [–]mindscent -1 point-2 points-3 points  (0 children)
      Yeah, I've had a couple stinky experiences on AHS, but, whatevs. Not everybody is as wise as a BRD.
      [–]shazzner -23 points-24 points-25 points  (2 children)
      Cheers, I'll be back in two weeks. I've personally avoided all media, conversations about, or even saying the name of that clown and all the childish offensive shit he does to a primary deadline.
      [–]ArchangelleCastiel HEY, ASSBUTT!OF OUR BRD'S FLAMING BENNED MOLOTOV -20 points-21 points-22 points  (0 children)
      We're going to take feelings like this into account
      [–]mindscent -0 points-1 point-2 points  (0 children)
      I get that, but at some point this sort of response can become kind of "see no evil hear no evil speak no evil". I'm not saying to bathe in T-scum rhetoric, but he and his flying monkeys pose an immanent threat to a lot of people. So, I definitely think there is value in recording the SRS about him. There really is a need for an account, here.
      [–]gentellotus -24 points-25 points-26 points  (1 child)
      I don't want to go to /r/The_Donald even to mock them, gross.
      Not sure why, but this thread made me realize that there isn't a SRS causal conversations, at least as far as I know. r/Discussion often times is too serious so I created /r/SRSCC and /r/SRSconversations. It could be good for community bonding. idk it's late I'm just thinking outloud.
      [–]mindscent -0 points-1 point-2 points  (0 children)
      Which one should I use for which purpose? (Ps thanks.)
      [–]SmuttsI'll call you on your shit - please call me on mine -24 points-25 points-26 points  (2 children)
      We live in strange times
      [–]ArchangelleFoodcakeOF OUR BRD'S FREEDOM[S] -12 points-13 points-14 points  (0 children)
      srsly.
      [–]Lishpful_thinking -0 points-1 point-2 points  (0 children)
      What do you mean by that?
      [–]ArchangelleCastiel HEY, ASSBUTT!OF OUR BRD'S FLAMING BENNED MOLOTOV[M] -54 points-55 points-56 points  (8 children)
      Side note: if you find users from /r/The_Donald (or anywhere really) are invading your thread - please report them and do not try to debate them here.
      Again, This is a 2 week trial of allowing posts from /r/The_Donald.
      Please use this thread to discuss any ideas or concerns.
      I personally feel that /r/The_Donald is a reflection of how right-wing reddit really is, but more importantly, how atrocious reddit really is. However, that is why this subreddit exists - to discuss that very matter.
      Feel free to discuss here, but please refrain from debating with SRS rule-breaking users and again report any rule-breaking comments.
      [–]ameoba -51 points-52 points-53 points  (4 children)
      This might slide under their radar - they're having a tantrum about /r/sweden right now.
      [–]Minn-ee-sottaaI don't hate crops. Just crop agriculture -49 points-50 points-51 points  (2 children)
      and it's so fucking glorious
      Sooner or later they'll get the ctown treatment.
      [–]SadfaceSquirtleNow you know why you fear the night -13 points-14 points-15 points  (1 child)
      Just idag är jag stolt över att vara svensk.
      [–]wathoactually, it's about ethics in our hateful echochamber -8 points-9 points-10 points  (0 children)
      Idag har jag lärt mig att det finns några bra saker med mitt hemland.
      [–]Minn-ee-sottaaI don't hate crops. Just crop agriculture -7 points-8 points-9 points  (2 children)
      If their users are vote brigading but not posting anything how do we report that?
      [–]emma-_______a rogue, misandric Amazon determined to purge all men from Earth -5 points-6 points-7 points  (1 child)
      For vote brigades you can try messaging the reddit admins, although they don't always respond.
      [–]majere616 -12 points-13 points-14 points  (0 children)
      The only time I've ever seen the admins respond to SRS being brigaded was when they told us it was our own fault and we needed to stop riling up the bigots.
      [–]emma-_______a rogue, misandric Amazon determined to purge all men from Earth -18 points-19 points-20 points  (2 children)
      Maybe make the net score requirement higher for posts from The_Donald, like [+40] or [+50]? Otherwise it's WAY too easy to find shit there, and this sub will just turn into /r/ShitThe_DonaldSays.
      [–]Minn-ee-sottaaI don't hate crops. Just crop agriculture -7 points-8 points-9 points  (0 children)
      This is a good suggestion. How about even limiting it to posts made by the Donald mods?
      [–]StumbleOnProbably better than you. -8 points-9 points-10 points  (0 children)
      I support this. I don't want thirty Donald posts per day, because they all say the same things. I'd say make those posts have to get +100 before talking about them.
      [–]runatornSir Drumpf Earl of Fedoria and defender of neckbeards ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ -31 points-32 points-33 points  (12 children)
      Did you people see the war between /r/sweden and /r/The_Donald haha it was hilarious. Proud to be a Swede!
      [–]KUmitchsocial justice paladin -10 points-11 points-12 points  (11 children)
      jag är tacksam att jag studerade svensk för en termin för att kan jag ganska förstå trådene på svensk!
      [–]runatornSir Drumpf Earl of Fedoria and defender of neckbeards ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ -7 points-8 points-9 points  (10 children)
      Nice! Studerade du i Usa?
      [–]KUmitchsocial justice paladin -6 points-7 points-8 points  (9 children)
      ja, på mitt universitet finns det en massa av olika språk. jag koncentrerade mig i lingvistik, jag behövde att fyller mitt schema, och var jag interessad av skandinavien på grund av dess metallscen, och därför beslutade jag att studiera svensk. jag trodde att grammatiken var relativt lätt men vokaler var jävla hårt :)
      [–]Minn-ee-sottaaI don't hate crops. Just crop agriculture -10 points-11 points-12 points  (6 children)
      I don't know what is being said but upvotes for everyone!
      [–]KUmitchcuckleberry finn -11 points-12 points-13 points  (5 children)
      lol here's a translation of what I hopefully said + the response:
      me: "I'm thankful that I studied Swedish for a semester because I can kinda read the threads in Swedish"
      /u/runatorn: "Nice! Did you study in the USA?"
      me: "Yes, my university had a lot of languages. I majored in linguistics, I needed to fill up my schedule, and I was interested in Scandinavia because of its metal scene, and so I chose to study Swedish. I thought the grammar was relatively easy, but the vowels were fucking hard."
      [–]runatornSir Drumpf Earl of Fedoria and defender of neckbeards ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ -7 points-8 points-9 points  (4 children)
      Haha No I understood you and tbh i was really good considering Swedish is not that easy to learn contrary what most Swedes actually feel (everyone thinks their language is the easiest.) Haha maybe you should move to Sweden and make Trump supporter and their likes mad.
      [–]KUmitchcuckleberry finn -4 points-5 points-6 points  (3 children)
      takk så mycket! I would love to live in Sweden, I really want to visit all the Scandinavian countries, I've always loved the culture there, and I speak Arabic so if the Trump supporters are right I should be able to get by speaking just Arabic because the immigrants have taken over your country right? (/s in case that was necessary)
      [–]runatornSir Drumpf Earl of Fedoria and defender of neckbeards ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ -7 points-8 points-9 points  (2 children)
      They are kinda idiotic, we are laughing our asses off. Nothing and I mean nothing in what they are saying is true. Girls here are not inside when the dark reaches, rapists are not running amok here, blonde blue eyed swedes are not in the miniority and not even close, ffs our largest immigrant population are finns, they are even whiter than us lol. But nope they find some cases and turn them into some kind of propaganda for their own agenda.
      [–]KUmitchcuckleberry finn -8 points-9 points-10 points  (1 child)
      yeah I imagine that must be particularly awful for you - they're trying to turn your country into a pedestal for their disgusting political views. I wonder how many of the Americans (or even other Europeans) talking about how Sweden has been "ruined" even have the faintest idea about Sweden's history or political situation?
      [–]PrincessRailgun☆ MILITANT FEMINIST WITH MEMES ☆ -6 points-7 points-8 points  (1 child)
      Haha, you're actually really good!
      If you're interested in some minor corrections:
      fylla instead of fyller, intresserad and studera. And I'd probably use svårt instead of hårt because hårt is usually used more for "tough" as in a tough or hard rock rather than difficulty.
      [–]KUmitchcuckleberry finn -5 points-6 points-7 points  (0 children)
      takk så mycket! I always mess up those damn infinitives. And the synonyms problem is one I come across often: you have to have a really in-depth familiarity with the intricacies of a language to understand which word is used in which sense in which context - which is why I love getting feedback like you gave me!
      [–]runatornSir Drumpf Earl of Fedoria and defender of neckbeards ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ -4 points-5 points-6 points  (2 children)
      This was a message I received from one of the moderators of /r/the_donald after they banned me for commenting in Sweddit a sub I subscribe too. You see m'ladies, they are "openminded" as he is showing us right now and they sure like free peaches as long as you dont say anything against their cause.
      [–]Minn-ee-sottaaI don't hate crops. Just crop agriculture -2 points-3 points-4 points  (0 children)
      Literally nazis
      [–]ameoba -1 point-2 points-3 points  (0 children)
      I just love the constant "we're being oppressed by the admins" narrative that these people delude themselves into believing. They've got zero concept of what a properly run website would to to enforce content standards. Reddit's rules can really be summed up in two points:
      1. Don't break the site
      2. Don't make us talk to the cops
      ...and they're fairly lax on the first one.
      [–]HisHighnessStannis -3 points-4 points-5 points  (0 children)
      Love how their reaction to being called out on their shittyness is to cave and become even more shitty
      Lol they are literal toddlers, hopefully they will end their temper tantrum by taking their ball and going home.
      >sad
      [–]Mocha_BeanActually, it's about ethics in my penis. -9 points-10 points-11 points  (2 children)
      >mfw totesmessenger replies to SRS-linked threads in /r/the_adolf
      prepare for the brigading
      [–]ameoba -1 point-2 points-3 points  (1 child)
      Can't understand how that bot hasn't been banned. It's only real purpose is to draw brigades into meta subs.
      [–]Minn-ee-sottaaI don't hate crops. Just crop agriculture -1 point-2 points-3 points  (0 children)
      I think the reasoning is that it also informs people of ongoing brigades. Maybe we should enable it here.
      [–]WorseThanHipsterF'males -9 points-10 points-11 points  (0 children)
      From the article:
      I had to get SJWs talking about us,
      ...
      Whenever the site turned up on groups like r/AgainstHateSubreddits that oppose offensive speech, Cis celebrated. He fanned the flames by sending outlandish messages to left-leaning forums demanding they stop talking about r/The_Donald, which of course had the opposite effect.
      Looked 5 months back and AHS has one message from him, politely informing us that he's removed a post which we linked to. Anyways, one of AHS's primary functions is to archive hatespeech on reddit and to draw attention to it. It's like saying you tricked /r/aww into posting cute aminal pics. And obviously SRS did as expected and properly labeled them as low hanging fruit.
      So, MSNBC pretty much just put a spotlight on Cis while he gleefully masturbated. Quality reporting my tech-savvy political youth!
      [–]skooterr -6 points-7 points-8 points  (3 children)
      I've always been uncomfortable featuring KiA comments. I don't like mocking them individually because both the absurd comments and the people that upvote them are mostly immature teens who will grow up eventually. It doesn't feel right to mock children here when they are at the point in their life where they need guidance the most.
      However, their hateful comments should not be ignored and I do understand SRS is not here to educate others but to highlight bigotry.
      I feel like with both KiA and the_donald, perhaps raising the vote score limit from 20 to 100 would be an improvement.
      While I think highlighting the_donald will be good in the end, I think care should be taken to highlight the WORST comments with the most votes, and to not chase the trolls.
      As illustrated with yesterday's meme battle with /r/sweden, the_donald loves the attention, loves to troll, and loves to brigade. If SRS reacts to every troll comment they make, then we all just end up swimming in filth.
      So what do, brds? We burned Reddit down (at least the Reddit brand), now what?
      Unfortunately, it seems that several bigots are following every SRS thread and using it to find and recruit other bigots. There has been an increasing number of racists on Reddit over the past year and they are starting to act more public and push back harder.
      At this point, it must be assumed that many of the administrators of this site are racists. Perhaps a year ago, I could have been convinced Reddit just wanted the income from the racists' traffic. However, the new quarantine system gives violent racists and nazis an ad-free private space to ferment their hate.
      Reddit has potential and many parts of it are great, but if Reddit wants to try to advertise all the good it can do, then it has a serious responsibility. The "front page of the internet" is a powerful place today. Reddit is not only allowing but encouraging and providing private spaces for violent racists and their kind. It is harmful to Reddit, it is harmful to the internet, it is harmful to the people targeted by hate, and it is harmful to society in general.
      Reddit does seem to respond to media attention but considering that the site must be run by racists, I'm not sure if Reddit can be improved. If they had a total change in staff or if they faced some kind of legal action, perhaps it would change for the better.
      The work needed to bring attention to people that matter, is outside the scope of this subreddit and I would say it's dangerous.
      However, if people did want to do it, what could be done?
      • media attention seems to help sometimes.
      • Legal attention definitely helps. Every jurisdiction that has laws against hate speech needs to know what Reddit is allowing and encouraging. Quarantines need to be brought up because it's not something the public will find on their own.
      • Individual businesses should be aware their employees might be visiting white supremacist subreddits on their lunch break.
      Alright this got long. I might pick it up later.
      [–]ArchangelleFoodcakeOF OUR BRD'S FREEDOM[S] -0 points-1 point-2 points  (2 children)
      Great comment, thank you for sharing your thoughts. Just gonna respond to a few individually.
      While I think highlighting the_donald will be good in the end, I think care should be taken to highlight the WORST comments with the most votes, and to not chase the trolls.
      As illustrated with yesterday's meme battle with /r/sweden, the_donald loves the attention, loves to troll, and loves to brigade. If SRS reacts to every troll comment they make, then we all just end up swimming in filth.
      Yeahhh this is the reason we were so ambivalent about this to begin with. Not to get all "let the free market of internet points decide!" but hopefully the upvotes and downvotes on SRS will take care of this to some extent and if not then we'll have to look at doing some curating.
      Unfortunately, it seems that several bigots are following every SRS thread and using it to find and recruit other bigots.
      That's...pretty troubling. Talk about swimming in filth, it feels like we're already fully submerged in it.
      [–]Lemityri -0 points-1 point-2 points  (1 child)
      I'm in favour of highlighting the_donald - just as the views posted on reddit general reflect the wrongness in the thinking of actual real people, so too do the views on the_donald reflect those of a disturbing number of trump supporters (regardless of whether the man himself supports these views, I don't know or care since I have no voice in the US elections). Yet there are fevered supporters of one candidate who make grand declarations about switching sides in a tantrum if they don't get their way and I want to be able to point at specifics and say "this is what's being said in the name of your new candidate". Will/does SRS have a policy on Trump in general, i.e. is expressing support of Trump incompatible with SRS (like I said, I know virtually nothing about his policies so I've no idea)? Either way, this may be something to explicitly note, because as-is I reckon this will be painted as a 'political attack'...not that the opinion of the rest of reddit matters. Anyway, enough politics.
      I thought the battle with /r/sweden was weird because there seemed to be support against the_donald from a wider voter base (say 25% actively for the_donald, 75% passively against who decided to they liked the sweden memes? 75% is abysmally low though). Makes me wonder if we could enter a bizarro world where SRS posts get upvoted by the general reddit population. Then again, I shudder to think of the influx of SRS-worthy material being posted to SRS that would bring :/
      [–]ArchangelleFoodcakeOF OUR BRD'S FREEDOM[S] -0 points-1 point-2 points  (0 children)
      Will/does SRS have a policy on Trump in general, i.e. is expressing support of Trump incompatible with SRS
      Oh yes. Pro-Trump = instant ban. It's covered in our unwritten-yet-strictly-enforced "no shitbirds" rule.
      [–]FAN_ROTOM_IS_SCARY -2 points-3 points-4 points  (1 child)
      Honestly, not really a fan of this. I don't really think it should matter how popular or visible The_Donald is; it still really deserves to be on the low-hanging fruit list, maybe even moreso than any other sub on there.
      It's too easy to find toxic shit on there. There's value and interest in posting the stuff that comes out of /r/news or /r/pics or /r/jokes or whatever because it's not somewhere where you'd reasonably expect to find people advocating eugenics or something; it shows how dominant awful bigotry on this site is, given that it works its way into the discourse and is supported everywhere, even when there shouldn't be anything to provoke it. The whole point of T_D is to support an openly racist politician whose racist views are public knowledge. There's nothing interesting in picking out any single example of racism from there; you may as well just post a single link to the whole sub.
      Moreover, the stuff that's been posted there has just been so downright vile it's difficult to laugh at it. I've actually had to hide more than one post I've seen on SRS from that sub just because it was so unpleasant to read.
      And the biggest reason, I just don't really see why we should satisfy their weird craving for attention. It feels weird to give them a platform to shout their bigotry from, even if the purpose is to make fun of them. I get that there's use in de-legitimising the stuff they say and putting it into a position where it can be mocked, but ultimately I feel like they profit more from that than they lose. They obsess so much over pissing off other people that I almost feel like openly mocking them actually legitimises their perception of themselves somewhat. Moreover, given that their whole subreddit is predicated on supporting a public figure who is already being mocked by people worldwide, I don't really see how we can add much to that.
      Just my opinion, which in fairness is probably somewhat less valid since I haven't been hanging around here for very long; only a few months or so.
      [–]ArchangelleFoodcakeOF OUR BRD'S FREEDOM[S] -1 point-2 points-3 points  (0 children)
      Yep, we're definitely on the same page with you as far as a lot of this stuff, there's a lot of ambivalence behind our decision here. What they're doing is so boring and so desperate for attention and we are loathe to give it to them. But at the moment we feel it's incumbent on us to document Reddit's descent into the white nationalist abyss. It's going to be disgusting and demoralizing and it fills me with existential despair (much like the Trump candidacy itself) but that's how I've always felt about the SRS frontpage so idk.
      [–]Mocha_BeanActually, it's about ethics in my penis. -3 points-4 points-5 points  (0 children)
      also because KiA stopped doing their hilarious Braveheart-type speeches a while ago and now it's just boring
      And /r/The_Donald has started!
      That's exactly what I love about what trump is doing to the internet.
      We (white dudes ~20 years old) have been disenfranchised, disregarded, and turned into effectively a minority in the eyes of the world. But that's not what we are, we're the majority.
      We've been hit with "Too young to X, to old to Y," the liberal media, the fucking Ghetto-centric popular culture that fetishizes crime and delinquency. A culture of literal burn outs and drop outs.
      And then we get this figure, a businessman, a good old fashioned Capitalist, one who's made his way just like we want to. We've been getting cucked all our lives, and now we have a light in the darkness to turn it around
      We're The Silent Majority, and we damn well stand with with Trump.
      [–]cdts -8 points-9 points-10 points  (0 children)
      we're going to do a two-week trial of accepting submissions from The_Donald.
      [–]amazingchickens"@BetteMidler is an extremely unattractive woman" -6 points-7 points-8 points  (0 children)
      Fuktig
      [–]globbewl -8 points-9 points-10 points  (5 children)
      I really wish there was a content aggregation site like reddit that banned bigots. Would appreciate either that or some tutorial on how to begin understanding the waterfall of content that is tumblr
      [–]TotalInvisibility -3 points-4 points-5 points  (1 child)
      well, there's thefempire.org, more users would mean more content
      [–]globbewl -1 point-2 points-3 points  (0 children)
      There's nobody there though :( can we please advertise it more on SRS stuff?
      [–]SpockhammerSloppy Joe Wonderland -2 points-3 points-4 points  (2 children)
      I stay away from the default subs and encounter significantly less bigotry. Still there, but also seems to get called out more often.
      [–]Minn-ee-sottaaI don't hate crops. Just crop agriculture -5 points-6 points-7 points  (1 child)
      I pick my battles when I browse the defaults. I have a couple +2000 and +3000 comments in AskReddit plugging social justice ideals but you gotta stay far away from the "what's your unpopular opinion and why is it eugenics, racism, and transphobia".
      [–]SpockhammerSloppy Joe Wonderland -3 points-4 points-5 points  (0 children)
      If anything the unpopular opinion threads have shown me how very disturbingly popular those supposedly unpopular opinions are.
      [–]WD40nDuctTape -6 points-7 points-8 points  (0 children)
      On the up side, the author did call TheDonald sub a "digital Trump rally." An insult of the highest order. Perfectly sublime in its innuendo.
      [–]luladin -4 points-5 points-6 points  (1 child)
      We've tried to highlight the regressive shit that's accepted, normalized, and encouraged on mainstream Reddit and in our society at large
      keep the openly alt-right content to a low roar
      I feel the boundary between these two is blurred, if not nonexistent. The proof is in The_Donald, which as you mention is the second most active subreddit, gets a heavy traffic boost from /pol/ and Stormfront, and frequently makes the front page. Alt-right is mainstream on Reddit. The_Donald, mensrights, and TiA aren't default but they are very popular subs that have significant influence on the way VALUABLE DISCUSSIONTM takes place on this site.
      Personally as this site gets shittier and shittier, I feel like perhaps the concept of low hanging fruit is slightly out of date because it suggests these ideologies are fringe on Reddit, rather than something shared by a good portion of the site's users. All those shitty posts in the defaults do not exist in a vacuum from some random edgy internet trolls. I understand that you don't want this to be like BoOC, which as fun as it is, is 90% KiA submissions, or something like BluePill which is focused on mocking manosphere Reddit. However, SRS has always held up a mirror for Reddit to see the reflection of their vile selves, and I don't think the primary breeding grounds for these shitty ideologies should be excluded from censure. After all, it's well-known that neo-Nazi and rape groups start on these nexuses before slowly bleeding into the defaults.....I don't see a reason to not condemn it at its source as opposed to when they go to subs that have more subscribers, which is a dubious measure of activity and influence especially because the entire point of defaults is to automatically subscribe new accounts to them regardless of their actual interest.
      I know mods post the extra shitty posts sometimes, but I propose a "free for all" for these kinds of subs where anyone can submit to SRS a comment or post with a significantly larger threshold, something like 200 upvotes if it's from a sub defined as low hanging fruit instead of 20 for regular submissions.
      The point is Reddit's brand has been more or less destroyed and cataloging the shit Reddit says feels more pointless by the day
      I disagree. The best way to make whiny manchildren feel uncomfortable is to shatter their illusions of being enlightened, special STEM snowflakes who think they know everything about the world because they watch South Park. It's redundant for us and for the purposes of attempting to enjoy this site but I like being the boogeyman and it helps bring to the layperson's attention how shitty Reddit is. You'd be surprised how many are still in denial or don't pay attention, and view the front page as an innocuous place where they can look at cat memes, miscellany from the real world, and even check out a quick news roundup.
      I like the community building proposals and will subscribe to /r/SRSBusiness.
      [–]ArchangelleFoodcakeOF OUR BRD'S FREEDOM[S] -2 points-3 points-4 points  (0 children)
      I definitely feel all of this and thank you for the thoughtful comment. One distinction I will make though is that subs aren't classified as LHF necessarily because they're "fringe" - as you point out, TiA and IGTHFT regularly make the frontpage and have a huge influence on the site's overall discourse - but because they're so bad that pretty much every single comment could be submitted, and in many cases they are designed that way. But it does often feel like the entire site is low-hanging fruit and we're dealing with very indistinct distinctions by trying to draw that line.
      [–]-Lunatic-Rain, A lit fireplace, Bossa Nova -3 points-4 points-5 points  (0 children)
      I support the transition from mocking KiA Pets to mocking Trump Chumps.
      Then again, I'd poke almost any hornet's nest, as long as the salty water never stops flowing.
      [–]Kernunno -7 points-8 points-9 points  (6 children)
      Hurray on moving Kia back to low hanging fruit. That place is just too exhausting. I like to yell at the shit but the average user there is just too engrossed in the hatred and their beliefs are a nest of conspiracy. It is obvious no one reads my posts there and instead just reacts to its tone.
      [–]StumbleOnProbably better than you. -4 points-5 points-6 points  (1 child)
      I don't even discuss in obvious KiA links anymore. They are the same predictable hive of shit. The most entertaining (lel at braveheart speeches) posters have mostly moved on. Now it's just the general Internet Angstivists left over milling their unhappiness through a perpetual shit laced grinder.
      [–]Minn-ee-sottaaI don't hate crops. Just crop agriculture -2 points-3 points-4 points  (0 children)
      Same. It's honestly just a grind of "oh, okay, see what my sort of witty brain comes up with, comment, cry, slack off in school".
      [–]Incubating -3 points-4 points-5 points  (3 children)
      But at the same time, I feel like The_Donald is worse.
      [–]Minn-ee-sottaaI don't hate crops. Just crop agriculture -6 points-7 points-8 points  (0 children)
      But most of reddit doesn't really care about KiA. On the flip side, Donald support is rampant.
      [–]Kernunno -2 points-3 points-4 points  (1 child)
      Well at least the Donald will do me the favor of banning me fairly quickly.
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      [–]Minn-ee-sottaaI don't hate crops. Just crop agriculture -4 points-5 points-6 points  (0 children)
      Their hands are big and beautiful
      [–]ameoba -1 point-2 points-3 points  (0 children)
      It'll be fun to poke at them for a bit but I think we should probably have some sort of tag/flair on their posts so I can easily move past them if I'm not feeling in the mood to swim in raw sewage.
      [–]RyenDeckard -4 points-5 points-6 points  (0 children)
      Can you really say 'we' destroyed the reddit brand? This sub drew attention to those issues and the reddit administration refused to act.
      [–]RacecarlockSocial Justice Sharknado -3 points-4 points-5 points  (0 children)
      Try to build something decent out of reddit? I mean, that's essentially like building the death star using only your genitals, but I think we could do it.
      [–]Aw_Man_A_SrsterDonald [Redacted]'s Neckbeard grew out of his scalp -3 points-4 points-5 points  (0 children)
      /r/the_donald's TIME IS UP. OUR TIME IS NOW.
      Whether we keep The_Donald as free game or not, the next two weeks are going to have a loooot of content!
      [–]Ash-M -0 points-1 point-2 points  (2 children)
      Went to /r/the_adolf briefly. It seems they have discovered our trickery and have resorted to spamming their front page with low-effort shitposting aimed at straw "SJWs". I guess that's a pretty good way to get them to put right up front their more hardcore racism and scare off new Trumpets, but it doesn't make for interesting reading. All they manage to do is to highlight their own blissful ignorance of the issues.
      Also why does the footer here say "RIP Lowtax"? I am new. :(
      [–]ArchangelleFoodcakeOF OUR BRD'S FREEDOM[S] -1 point-2 points-3 points  (1 child)
      Also why does the footer here say "RIP Lowtax"? I am new. :(
      Ancient reference from SomethingAwful, which is where this sub originated, much to the chagrin of Redditors at the time.
      [–]Ash-M -0 points-1 point-2 points  (0 children)
      aha, thanks!
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        [–]KUmitchcuckleberry finn -20 points-21 points-22 points  (1 child)
        wow you attended a gay pride parade? i'm sorry i thought you might have conservative tendencies because you support a candidate who is the #1 favorite among actual nazis. but since you attended a gay pride parade i guess that means you're a bona fide progressive and i can't criticize you in any way because you proved that you're a progressive by actually attending a gay pride parade
        also cultural marxism is a nonsense phrase conjured up by neo-nazis so just so you know you destroyed any credibility by using that bullshit buzzword
        [–]12hatchAssigned misandrist at birth -11 points-12 points-13 points  (0 children)
        they just jelly we get cool-ass phrases like "cultural marxist", all they have is "racism" or "would murder women if they could get away with it"
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