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[–]This_Vicious_Cabaret 971ポイント972ポイント x2 (135子コメント)

This was a tragedy. I'll probably remember that day for the rest of my life, barring Alzheimer's or other dementia getting rid of that memory for me. It's also a strange, strange, strange example of how weird our human brains work.

3,000 people die in a terrorist attack, and we (as a nation) lose our collective minds. We go to war (well, two wars), spend ungodly amounts of money, kill a whole bunch of people, move insane amounts of armor and personnel halfway around the world, and in the end we kill Bad Guy #1 by visiting his dingy little compound with like twelve of the most highly skilled killers of the most elite special forces group of the world's best-funded military, and Bad Guy #2 we find hiding in a fucking hole in the ground (Like, really? That's the best you can do?). And everyone cheered.

That same day in September, about 1,700 Americans died of heart disease. Another 1,600 died of cancer that day. And the day after that. And the day after that. Yet when the new president took office and announced that he was for real going to try and provide healthcare to as many Americans as possible, half the country's politicians called for his head on a fucking stick. If we'd invested as much money and energy into the war on heart disease and cancer, we probably would have gotten a significantly better return on our investment, like a cancer-free world, or people getting more healthy and happy years with their loved ones. All we got for the terror wars was the fucking PATRIOT act. And having to take off our shoes at the airport (thanks, TSA). And ISIS, I guess.

I guess the old adage holds true. One death is a tragedy; a million deaths are a statistic.

[–]albatrossG8 258ポイント259ポイント  (43子コメント)

This is why terrorism works.

[–]prykor 89ポイント90ポイント  (41子コメント)

Wow I'm just realizing their plan worked all along

[–]ShadisII 43ポイント44ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's why 9/11's legacy just gets worse every year. There is no closure. By the time we get 'closure', those who remembered the attacks will be old and dying.

9/11 worked like a charm, it was the successful Joker plan. It took the United States and wiped away the optimistic 90's peace to reveal the darkness inside. It corrupted the U.S, unleashed a monster of modern warfare and created a beacon for global jihad.

The Middle East is about to enter it's equivalent of the Thirty Years War. Politics, religion and resources all tied into one clusterfuck. As the oil and water begin to run out, it'll collapse further.

I'm not one for predictions but we're just in the first stages of this conflict. ISIS will die and be replaced by somebody else. Another coup will occur, sponsored by somebody, another civil war.

There is no happy ending for the Middle East.

[–]Stillwatch [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think there will ultimately be peace in the middle east. When one side finally gets strong enough to eliminate the other.

[–]albatrossG8 39ポイント40ポイント  (10子コメント)

It worked like a fucking charm. Just a handful of people with barely any funding brought the most powerful nation in all of history to its fucking knees and robbed us of an inconceivable amount of money. Trillions of dollars fighting a disjointed somewhat non existent enemy. We punched ourself in the face for over a decade, bankrupting ourselves while ignoring every real and major issue this country had that could have easily been solved with the amount of money it took to "fight terrorism."

It took the greatest military force in world history to find and kill one frail man with kidney failure longer than WWI and WWII combined and cost us almost 2 trillion in the process. Who do you think won?

Edit: I'm being obviously figurative in places. Use your brain.

[–]loondawg 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

And it's critical not to forget some of the morally bankrupt actions that took place using 9/11 as a justification. Torture, indefinite detention, rendition, etc.

[–]albatrossG8 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree. In an effort to protect American values we all but threw them in the trash.

[–]HockeyandMath -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

What are you going on about? The US is still a powerhouse with the dollar only getting stronger. Saying the US will be brought to its knees is saying money isnt worth anything and society collapsed. It's like saying the rich and poor will be even again. It's so so dumb.

[–]albatrossG8 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's figurative language. The US is still the world power. I'm sure most people understood what it means.

[–]Atlanticall -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

bankrupting ourselves

Not even remotely true.

[–]albatrossG8 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

Nope. You're completely right. We aren't bankrupt in any real sense. Just many trillions more in debt.

[–]proace360 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

As if national debt really influences much of anything...

[–]albatrossG8 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're right. It is however a time bomb if the US every dips below being the world power and the globes economic hub. But you are right, debt doesn't apply to a country like it does to a person.

[–]PARKS_AND_TREK -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

our deficit and debt right now is the biggest threat to our national security.

[–]albatrossG8 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

While I do concede it is a large threat it is not our largest.

[–]HughManatee 92ポイント93ポイント  (13子コメント)

I realized it worked when we passed the Patriot Act.

[–]loondawg 23ポイント24ポイント  (12子コメント)

And I realized how fucked we were when the Bush administration started operating a shadow government with no constitutional authorization and little or no congressional input in the immediate aftermath of the attacks. Source 1: Washington Post, Source 2: CBS

I remember hearing about this at the time because it caused some controversy because of the exclusion of any Democrats from it. But it quickly blew over as people were understandably distracted by the tragic events of the day.

[–]Myremi3411 17ポイント18ポイント  (10子コメント)

Which the obama administration has grossly expanded. Bush was wrong, so is obama. Two wrongs don't make a right.

[–]No_Pants_No_Problems [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

But one of those guys is on my team and the other isn't so fuck that guy!

[–]Myremi3411 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Could you please stop being rational? This is a safe space, where idiots should feel comfortable and free to spew their indoctrinated nonsense without being questioned by the aware.

[–]ok_ok_im_a_niggerfag [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Neither of them are on your team.

Go try out this theory.

See if either return your calls.

[–]Undercover_Newb 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hurray for secret police and secret courts. I trust them!

[–]nathan_256 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It kind of worked in a limited sense, but the ultimate goal was to wage an apocalyptic war on the West (particularly the US) that would ultimately lead to the triumph of the Muslim world. Or, more accurately, the "true" Muslims, from their perspective.

So far, that apocalyptic outcome doesn't seem to be on the horizon. The attacks themselves and the ensuing wars in Afghanistan/Iraq were incredibly costly and destructive, but the US is here to stay for the time being, along with most of the policies bin Laden objected to (e.g. support for Israel).

[–]CVBrownie 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

Osama said long before 9/11 his plan was to bankrupt us with a long drawn out war. Well, the wars weren't the only thing that caused the recession but they certainly didn't help.

[–]nathan_256 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Debt isn't the same as recession, and the mechanisms that caused the Great Recession were largely in place before 9/11.

[–]CVBrownie [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's why i didn't say caused. I said the war didn't help.

[–]d-bone01 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No he didn't. He changed his plan after it became obvious that's what was going to happen either way.

[–]djbehnke [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Luckily the USA actually has profited in a very sick way from this war.

[–]Femiwhore -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

A rare sight where Americans for the first time are realizing going to war may not be the best course of action

[–]loondawg 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

We knew that after Vietnam. I think it more accurate to say a new generation realizing going to war may not be the best course of action and reminding the older generation of it.

[–]Redd788 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

try

took you that long? some people arent as smart as the rest of us i suppose. pleb.

[–]Svennusmax 97ポイント98ポイント  (11子コメント)

I'm not American, so I can't really relate to the exact same sentiments being felt during and after 9/11 the way you guys did, but you must know that it felt like an attack on all of us in the Western world. Not just for me, but also for everyone around me.

That being said; there is a TREMENDOUS difference between diseases and planned murder/terrorism. You can't just put this into the same perspective. Our societies are based on punishing bad and murderous people, no matter the cost. It is what makes us civilized. Yes, the USA overreacted on many fronts. Yes, money could have been spent better. But take in account that hearing about Bin Laden's death or Hussein's capture (although I don't really understand why he is still being fingered as one of the driving forces behind 9/11, because he was clearly not) was considered a relief for a huge part of the civilized world.

People dieing from diseases or accidents are not being killed on purpose by an evil genius. Unless, ofcourse, one believes in a malevolent god. Like ISIS does, or Bin Laden did. Wait... we've come full circle... Anyway; go team USA. Just don't overdo it next time, and fight the right people.

[–]PFCDoofles 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

next time

Goddamnit Not American, don't encourage us.

[–]glioblastoma 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Our societies are based on punishing bad and murderous people, no matter the cost. It is what makes us civilized.

That's not true at all. We actively support many bad and murderous people. We elect many of them into office. We prop up murderous dictators all over the world. We murder people all over the world.

You have an idealized and hyper nationalistic view of your country. It's the disease of patriotism. It's the disease of supremacism. The thought that you are better than all those other nasty people.

It's simply not true. The USA and Europe are amongst the most murderous countries in the history of mankind. Look at the genocides in the Americas (North and South), look at what we (the western world) did in Africa and the middle east. Look at what we are going right now in the middle east and tell me with a straight face that our culture is based on punishing murderous people.

Wake up dude. Stop swallowing everything your government tells you about itself.

[–]Johnh7700 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Very rarely do I encounter a comment I wish I could down vote twice... This is one them.

[–]LordoftheBanter [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Brit here.

For all its power, no country uses it better than the USA.

Tbh this comment chain disgusts me.

The "real Americans" are either in hiding or dead, replaced with this self hating psuedo intellectual bollocks.

Your culture has been shipped so far abroad that Chinese men wear suits.

What happened to the old USA shit of "Fuck you, we're putting our own flag on the fucking moon" - the ballsy arrogance which comes about when you have the power to conquer the entire planet?

[–]nathan_256 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm not American, so I can't really relate to the exact same sentiments being felt during and after 9/11 the way you guys did, but you must know that it felt like an attack on all of us in the Western world. Not just for me, but also for everyone around me.

I feel the same as an American. The Paris/Brussels attacks were a huge deal in the US.

[–]Rpad47 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Our societies are based on punishing bad and murderous people

No, they're not. This is the kind of unfounded tossing of moral calculation to the wind that makes terrorism work. Our societies are founded on protecting their members, on neutralizing the biggest threats to them. But the Kantian idea that the bystander is not complicit allows you to ignore the suffering masses and instead focus on the threat perpetrated deliberately, essentially valuing the lives of those killed by heart disease at 1/200 of the worth of one person killed at 9/11 (and that's just using the yearly death statistic, forget cumulative data).

Terrorism is about shock value, about making it our focus and preventing us from living our lives. It's about distracting us, playing on our emotions and making us live in constant fear. If our most important goal in today's world is "punishing bad and murderous people" rather than saving as many american lives as we can, then I'm afraid the terrorists have won.

[–]ajustice83 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Protecting people and punishing muderers are not mutually exclusive.

[–]danmidwest -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

If your doctor told you you had life-threatening cancer how would you react? Now, if someone told you your enemy was planning to kill you in your sleep, and then killed all your best friends, how would you react?

[–]obarat 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm struggling to understand the relevance of those questions

[–]donkeyrocket 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

Disease isn't really something that is comparable to an event like this. To me, it feels like a means to lessen the event itself in an effort to attack the events that took place afterwards. You can try to rationalize/apply stats to what happened but these were 3,000 people, many of which shared the same office, met each other's families, passed one another every morning on the way to work. This had a huge, immediate impact on a far more condensed group than disease does. Diseases strike across the US with each case affecting a handful of folks at a time.

This was one of the largest loss of life events (I believe the largest in the world) at the hands of a single, orchestrated terrorist event. For the record, I don't agree with many of the policies and wars that were fought on the foot-heels of this event. I'm just saying to attach the stipulation that a comparable amount of people also died that day is totally diminishing what terrorism is, unexpected, incalculable and impossible to defend against. That isn't to say people dying of heart disease is acceptable but terrorism is something out of the ordinary.

[–]Superunknown_7 44ポイント45ポイント  (2子コメント)

9/11 was an astounding success, strategically. That fact should anger and disappoint every one of us, if only more would realize it. We killed perhaps a million people, lost thousands of our finest soldiers, spent untold amounts of treasure, ran roughshod over our own rights, vilified entire demographics, and altered our way of life. We did it to ourselves, we chose to do it, and it's precisely what the enemy wanted.

[–]25russianbear25 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

We did it to ourselves, we chose to do it, and it's precisely what the enemy wanted

That was true right after the attack, vast majority were pro-war

At one point people were getting tired BUT the things is companies in the military industrial complex and their owners were extremely happy to be making money like they never seen before.

[–]asdf34344 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I remember as a Canadian I was pro war after the attacks... Right up until Iraq was being talked about...

[–]serversarebusy 17ポイント18ポイント  (12子コメント)

its not about the absolute numbers. Main goal of terrorism is to instill fear.

[–]Jmandr2 7ポイント8ポイント  (10子コメント)

Which when you think about it, means we let them win. With one horrendous act they changed the policy and direction of this nation for decades.

Edit: a word

[–]danfinger51 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Every stated goal of OBL was achieved when they attacked that day. -Instill fear in the west; -US military out of Saudi Arabia; -Drain the US of as much money as possible; -Expansion of 'The Caliphate'

[–]kymo 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

US military out of Saudi Arabia?

[–]badnewscass [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

We had over 5k troops stationed in Saudi Arabia and near Mecca, one of Islam's holiest sites. Bin Laden considered this too close.

[–]kymo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

5k troops protecting Saudi Arabia. They are / were close allies. Seems like that relationship is cooling off lately though.

[–]yzlautum 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

What were we supposed to do? Nothing? They didn't win shit. They put a HUGE target on their backs. If anything they brought everyone together to help eliminate them.

[–]Jmandr2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not signed the Patriot Act into law. Realized that the Taliban was not Al Qaeda. Not invaded Iraq on false pretense. Not opened black site torture prisons all over world. Not militarized the police. Not allowed the NYPD to run an illegal espionage program. Not okayed warrantless wire tapping. Not resorted to indefinite detention at Gitmo. To name a couple of things we should have done.

[–]MaXiMiUS 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Any victory the US had with regards to 9/11 was a Pyrrhic victory, the US did significantly more harm to itself via counter-terrorism than was ever done to them in the first place. Eliminating your enemy doesn't matter if you do their own job for them, especially if you piss off enough people for new/other terrorist groups to grow.

[–]yzlautum [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Doesn't mean we can/should sit back and do nothing. We had to do something. If we did nothing they would have won, plain and simple. No one can fucking attack the US like Pearl Harbor and not expect us to do anything. They didn't win a single thing. All they did was start a war.

[–]PFCDoofles 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tell me again how the suicide bombers that attacked the world trade center lost because more people wanted them dead.

[–]chamclouder [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Along with this, more people died as a result of NOT flying after 9/11. All those people who normally flew, now driving long distances. So many more people died by choosing to drive because they were afraid of flying

[–]islandjustice 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Others have already commented with my thoughts on your truly idiotic statement here, so I will simply say, dude, fuck off.

[–]Loudmouth_American [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You're going to get down voted, but I agree with you. Bunch of sjw's. Fuck those terrorists, but the resulting wars were necessary. War sucks. But it's necessary at times.

[–]Chetcommandosrockon 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess the old adage holds true. One death is a tragedy; a million deaths are a statistic.

I agree with 90% of what you said but I hate you butchered the meaning of this quote.

[–]myne 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

True story. I was rewinding Starship Troopers at just past 12am of what was, for me, the Sept 12 very shortly after the first plane hit.

My literal words were "Oh, Towering Inferno. Damn the special effects were shit back then." It was only after the 3rd channel showing the same crappy movie from the 70's that I realised it was real.

In retrospect, Starship Troopers was a prophecy that almost perfectly described the time following. The parallels are stunning. From the basic plot line that we attacked first, they countered, then we exploited that emotion for genocidal revenge; the insane levels of patriotism; the utter pointlessness and brutaility of the war; even the trapped brain bugs are similar enough to Saddam in his tunnel.

[–]rjromero 21ポイント22ポイント  (10子コメント)

I was in New Jersey when it happened, I have friends who lost family in the attacks, and I've always felt a little selfish for feeling the same way.

Yes, it was terrible, but people in America have given it way too much attention. This is EXACTLY what they wanted. Now we have Hillary Clinton running on platform of how she helped "rebuild New York" after 9/11. Seriously? People are buying that?

[–]jzie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, many people are buying that.

[–]OrangeLlama [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I was 1 year old when it happened, lived around the border of NY and NJ, my dad worked in the Twin Towers. The night before, my twin brother and I kept my parents up late crying and whatnot, so my mom let my dad sleep in that morning. He was on the train on the way to work when the first plane hit. He lost many, many friends that day, and he still keeps stuff like a picture of a coworker that died on his desk, and a box of 9/11 memoria. This footage is the first video that really hit me hard, I think it's the bodies falling.

[–]i-yodel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If someone lost their family in a car accident then nobody would tell that person they are giving way too much attention to that event. 9/11 was a tragedy for all of America, and it was a burden on the heart of anyone in the world who was alive during that time to watch it. I think it's fair to criticize many of the decisions that the U.S government made following 9/11. But I don't think it's fair to criticize the grief and mourning that America (and the world) has gone through. I don't think that 9/11 has ever been given too much attention, only the fear around it has been given too much power.

[–]Fantasysage -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck that cunt for saying that.

[–]stompinstinker 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Never send an army to do a hitman’s job.

[–]Undercover_Newb -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Drone's job*

The US will never be in a land war ever again.

[–]DOTHETHING_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was in 7th grade i think. I used a radio alarm and woke up to news on the local rock station. First tower hit i didn't understand. I changed the channel, news. Changed the channel news. Again and again. Then i heard the second tower had been hit. Wtf. I have no idea what this means but i know it makes me feel supremely uneasy. I call to my mom "mom, turn on the news" she says "why? What channel?" i say, "it doesn't matter, any channel" she sees what's going on, starts freaking out and i still had no idea of the gravity of the situation

[–]Positronix 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Heart disease and cancer are, to a certain degree, self inflicted by obesity and smoking. And when they aren't self inflicted, they are unsolvable problems that are related to aging.

Aging kills 150,000 people a day worldwide.

[–]25russianbear25 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So do you tell your somewhat overweight dad or mom with BP of 139/95 that he/she is shit out of luck because they didnt take take care of himself?

Hypertension affected a ton more people than WTC attack. Wouldn't it make more sense to tackle the bigger problems first? Sure we can tackle both but for some reason one of them isnt nearly as enticing as the other.... you tell me which one.

[–]marino1310 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

But most cases have nothing to do with either. Me and my father were born with heart problems, plenty of people are. Same with non-lung cancer.

[–]Atlanticall 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

By this logic, people should have the same reaction to a family member being murdered as they would if they were killed by a disease or old age.

[–]Buncs 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

You have some valid points, but in terms of heart disease and cancer, how many of those were people reaching their time anyway? You can't be immortal. Maybe some better examples would be car accidents and suicides etc.

[–]PFCDoofles 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can be immortal, actually.

Cancer and aging are, basically, caused by the same problems: errors in cell replication. Work towards eliminating one advances work toward eliminating the other.

[–]ChrisHarperMercer2 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

So since 1,700 people die a day because of cancer or more because of different reasons we should have sat back and relaxed following the terrorist attack??

Fuck that. People had reactions that were more than appropriate.

Edit: I dont even know how you can watch the video posted and turn around and say shit about healthcare and terrorism.

[–]nathan_256 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He didn't say we should have been relaxed. He's just pointed out that we have a tendency to devote disproportionate attention and resources to terrorism at the expense of the things that kill us much more efficiently.

[–]Femiwhore 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

2 wrongs don't make a right. Your emotional response is exactly what they wanted and the reason extremists are now popping up left right and center.

[–]ChrisHarperMercer2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

I dont give a shit what the terrorists wanted!

Just because they wanted us to react doesnt mean we shouldnt.

Reacting to that is extremely normal.

[–]JeffBoucher 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Everything comes down to money. If Americans actually cared for each other then you would have a one payer health care system that would save more lives then going crazy. Spending trillions and fucking up a large part of the world over 3000 deaths which caused the suffering of millions.

[–]ChrisHarperMercer2 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Too bad america isnt like other countries. Our government is not capable of running a successful single payer health care system. Im not trying to debate about healthcare though.

All i am saying is that my reaction to a terrorist attack does NOT depend on anything that a terrorist organization may want me to feel. for example I dont care if they want me to be sad, ill be sad if thats how I feel.

[–]Femiwhore [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

America isn't like other countries because it chose not to be, you chose the 1% and no healthcare. Its not like you couldn't have public healthcare if you wanted to, Americans just hate taxes for some reason.

[–]Femiwhore 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

You honestly think the war in the Middle East is a good thing?

[–]ChrisHarperMercer2 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

No not at all. I just think it is extremely disingenuous to compare it too obamacare.

[–]Femiwhore [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think what they were saying is that rash responses like yours are the reason thousands more have died in a war instead of thousands being saved with more healthcare funding.

[–]EssenceOfSasquatch 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You make some valid points about our response to the attacks on 9/11. You are also miss guided on some as well. Yes people die every day and always will, no matter how well we improve modern medicine death is inevitable. What happened on that day was the willful murder of three thousand people and the destruction of three buildings at the center of the financial district of our nation. Was the war in Iraq a mistake? Yes. Was a major military response to find the men responsible as well as other terrorists with the same ideology capable of conducting a similar attack? No. As for your unfulfilled feelings about killing Osama bin laden and Sadam Hussein, I can only say that the world is not directed like a Michael Bay movie, and I personally thought that the death of Bin Laden couldn't have been conducted any better. Has the world changed after the attacks and has our country wasted a great deal of money in our pursuit? No question, but we have not had any major attacks in our country on the level that have occurred in France and Belgium.

[–]glioblastoma 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Imagine if we mustered all the resources which went towards this war into curing diabetes, heart disease or cancer.

[–]SIThereAndThere [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The thing is people were killed by another human

[–]otter111a [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And yet if any one of your friends was killed by a person or gang you'd call for justice. To this day I wonder what choice my friend made? Jump or burn. Burn or Jump.

I'm very liberal and often judge the choices our government has made. And yet I circle back to burn or jump? Jump or Burn? So when I watch these videos it's not like I'm watching some silhouette drop. It's "is that the guy I knew? Is that the one who had that cocky sonofabitch smile tumbling?"

to me its real. To me it isn't some parallelism between consistent deaths traceable to medical reasons. It's murder. These shitheads murdered my friend. Fuck them and all those who facilitated their heinous acts.

[–]helpingEveryone [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Basically, 9/11 implies that there exists a group of people who think they have a chance against the world's best military. If the United States did not invest their time and budget, to fight off the terrorist group, then the group will grow over time. In the future we may call the group a state, nation or country, that may invade other nations. Innocent civilians will be killed and children will be continued to be sold as sex slaves instead of most of the casualties being mostly soldiers. This is true because that is what terrorists do. Either we start a war with a group, or we start a war with a nation that grew from a group of terrorists in 20 years. Therefore eliminating terrorists is the best plan for cancer.

I don't think you know how fatal nuclear weapons can be in the hands of group or several nations of terrorists.

[–]Wyverz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

the guy in the hole had abso-fucking-lutely nothing to do with 9/11

[–]Axel_Foley_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

..I think that comparing terrorists to medical problems isn't accurate. I think, or at least hope, you know that too.

And, did American medical professionals have to stop the cancer and heart disease research, because we decided to actively prevent future terrorist acts in our country?

[–]cganon [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If we'd invested as much money and energy into the war on heart disease and cancer, we probably would have gotten a significantly better return on our investment, like a cancer-free world, or people getting more healthy and happy years with their loved ones.

This is ridiculous to read. Plant based diet significantly reduces or completely cancels out both of these. The problem is that most people don't want to hear bad things about their bad habits, and rather than treating the cause (animal products) they would rather treat the symptoms and look for quick fixes or pour many resources into being able to continue their bad habits which land them in their mess to begin with.

[–]lt_hindu [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What should have America done instead? I get what you're saying the blood lust for us in some quagmires. But what do we do after THIS happens?

[–]Jacob_exe [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I feel like you're equivalating two things that shouldn't be regarded in the same light. Yes thousands of Americans die yearly from diseases, but those 3,000 Americans that died from terrorism carry a stronger message. We can't let fear dictate our lives and the United States has to show these terrorist that they can't fuck with us.

Unfortunately they now target Europe because they know the onslaught the U.S. brought

Are domestic issues important? Yes Is fighting terrorism also important? Yes

[–]niebieskitrociny [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Easy numbers for quick math

population = 365,000,000 in U.S.A.

average life span = 100 years (easy math)

days in year = 365

days in 100 life span = 100 * 365 = 36,500

between now and 100 years, everyone will die at some point. assuming constant population (1:1 birth:death rate), we have:

death rate = population to die/days in which to die = 365,000,000 / 36,500 = 10,000 people per day

Quibbling about how you die is meaningless. Universal healthcare is good for those who die very young, but for end of life diseases like cancer and heart disease, its creating a whole industry for the last 5-10 years of your life. Nursing homes, long hospital stays, etc. are not driven by wanting to improve quality of life. Those last years are not the best in your life. Many people, if given the chance, would rather off themselves medically than be a burden on their children or the state. Whatever happened to just dying when its your time? More often than not the reason we work so hard to keep our loved ones alive is for our benefit, not theirs.

If we really want to address life expectancy, we should be promoting preventive measures like healthy living, not working to make sure everyone has the last few shitty years courtesy of the state.

[–]Randomwaves [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Don't eat shitty and exercise(heart disease) Don't eat shitty and exercise and win the genetic lottery and get screened(cancer)

[–]rabbiccu -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

High horse much? Just be humble and witness the emotion and terror in the video without going full political for like 5 seconds of your life.

[–]redlentils 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is pretty ironic considering a large part of the reasons why 9/11 occurred in the first place are political in nature.

[–]SnarfleMonkey 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

This should piss you off. Those were bad guys but not the ones who did this. The hijackers were all Saudi but the Saudi royal families have enough financial clout to crash the American economy.

The bad guys were never caught, they weren't reprimanded in any way and thousands of others were sacrificed in their stead.

Politics are shit and I wish this wasn't true.

[–]yzlautum -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

but the Saudi royal families have enough financial clout to crash the American economy.

lol no.

[–]SnarfleMonkey -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Lol yes. It's a single digit number but it's enough that if they pulled out the Stock market would crash.

[–]yzlautum -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

No it wouldn't wtf are you talking about

[–]SnarfleMonkey [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm talking about the fact that the Saudi royal family have enough invested in the American stock exchange that if they decided to sell it all at once stock prices would crash.

I'm sorry I don't know how to simplify that any further.

[–]Fantasysage -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

The deaths were not the same when you consider they destroyed the tallest buildings in NYC. That was a way more permanent mark.