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Courtney Act has something to say... (alaska-liaison.tumblr.com)

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[–]saintroremThorgy Thor -8ポイント-7ポイント  (35子コメント)

Warning controversial opinion: I feel like we're hitting a level of rudeness with this like overly PC drag show culture..  

Like trust me, I get that the queens are not your property to grope, & that many clubs nowadays have show runners who book acts/queens/etc. and they don't appreciate when drunk asshats storm the stage at innapropriate times... but this whole "YASSSS QWEEN-- tackle that mothafucka!!!11!1!!" just seems to be hitting a level of like... really?

 

There have always been shows like Marino's DIVAS or Showgirls, and places where queens show to try & make a dolla. But after reading through AMAs by users like /u/wickedmix about the economic viability about booking ru-girls & what not...  

It just makes me wonder about where the "gay bar/club" will be in 10-15 years if this keeps up. Will all shows be cabarets with tables & drink tickets? Will there be rules like sitting through a multi-movement classical music concerto-- where you can't clap between the girl's numbers but instead hold your "YASSSS-ing" & dolla throwing until the end of the show?

 

I mean, I'm probably just rambling... but drag shows haven't historically been such a prestigious & hallowed event, and it's interesting to note how things are changing. I know many gay men hate the cis-het bachelorette party invading the club... & if someone is being a douchenozzle-- let them have it...  

But I just can't help to feel like the drag show has gone from something that was queer, fabulous, & a way to diversify the evening rather than a show which people show up to, sit through, clap when it's over-- then leave. &nbsp:

I don't know why this Courtney lecture triggered this rant-- but TL;DR: is the ru-girl drag show becoming akin to the concert hall? Like there's a line between crazy club fun & romper-room fuckery/disrespect... but yah I don't know. I'm probably bonkers.

[–]TheFantasticAshThorgy Thor[S] 18ポイント19ポイント  (12子コメント)

I genuinely think the main problem with this situation is the idea that straight girls think this is okay.

Of course the venue will always be messy with gays screaming, throwing money etc... but in those situations the dynamic is different. I dunno, it's hard for me to articulate properly because I'm not anti-straight, it just rubs me the wrong way sometimes.

[–]saintroremThorgy Thor 10ポイント11ポイント  (8子コメント)

I guess I want to know...What are these straight girls doing that the gay boys aren't doing? You know. These are becoming concerts, not drag bar performances... Obviously anyone who feels entitled to run on stage and be a dick straight/gay deserves to be bitched out/removed by security.

 

But like you went on tv-- any anyone can watch you... so now that you choose to perform in gay bar, how are you going to act indignant when you have non-gays/older/younger/non-traditional clientele coming to these ru-girl performances?

[–]justveryslightlymadThorgy Thor 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

It sounds like you're mistaking basic live show etiquette with concert-level formality. There's no need to yell make a slippery slope argument just because queens have experienced a surge in mainstream popularity and are now in a position to demand respect from straight people without getting stabbed after the show. Queens want you to enjoy yourself at their show and no one is saying the guests can't cheer and have a good time. When you ask what straight girls are doing that gay boys aren't, the answer is simple: they're not being disruptive in a place that was created BY AND FOR a marginalised community they're not a part of. You know what happens historically when a queer person is disruptive in a straight bar? They're murdered.

That being said, I don't think anyone is condoning a queen pushing that woman into the pool.

[–]saintroremThorgy Thor -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

You know what happens historically when a queer person is disruptive in a straight bar? They're murdered.

 

Holy shit, I think we can call that beyond reaching... & you just told me to not engage in a "slippery slope" argument, then you drop that level of hyperbole. Mkay.

[–]puddin_tain 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Really? It's fucking true. I have several friends that have been bashed nearly to death for having the nerve to be gay in public. One of them was in the hospital for a month. Many MANY queer people have been murdered in situations like this. Know your damn history.

[–]jenOHsideChi Chi DeVayne -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's not like violence against any minority is anything to scoff at, but you definitely weren't advocating violence, that just kinda came outta nowhere...

[–]saintroremThorgy Thor -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well right, but you know that's not what I was saying... just "scoffing" at this extreme non-sequitur.

[–]jenOHsideChi Chi DeVayne 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gurl, I'm not fighting you, I was backing you up.

[–]LaTransBearLiza Minnelli 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

they're being a massive group of straight girls in a gay bar.

if a hoard of 20 year olds showed up at a bar geared towards older patrons, it'd change the dynamic and aggravate the regulars - why is it hard to understand that gay bar patrons would be put out by something similar?

[–]fuckariKim Chi 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not to mention in Australia (assuming this is in Australia) we have yet to legalise same-sex marriage.

[–]EliakimEliakim 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, if gay people can't get married, then straight people have absolutely no business celebrating a marriage at a gay bar. It's fucking obnoxious and completely deficient in self-awareness.

[–]seeyoshirunOh my sweet gherkins! 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can see where this sentiment comes from, but I don't think I agree with that. I'm gay and in Australia, and I don't bat an eye if I see a bride-to-be so long as she's not acting like an obnoxious ho.

I understand the appeal of going to a gay bar when she's about to tie the knot. Maybe she wants to celebrate in a place where she's less likely to have guys who aren't her fiancé completely failing to take the hint that she's not interested in them. The lack of same-sex marriage in Australia fucking sucks, but I can still be happy for a woman who is looking forward to getting married, so long as she's not climbing up on stage or making an ass of herself or, like one woman at the Trixie show I saw a few months ago, squealing and hollering so loudly that it interrupts the performance.

I mean hell, I've been invited to plenty of straight weddings and I don't consider there to be much of a difference there - it's still a straight couple indirectly reminding me that they can get married and I can't. I'll still be happy for them. My beef is with the Australian government.

[–]jgroove_LABob the Drag Queen 6ポイント7ポイント  (12子コメント)

These are rules from decades ago. This has nothing to do with being PC. It's called safety and respect.

[–]nyctokyoparislondon 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

I agree that advocating violence would not be a good thing, but I've never seen anyone say anything akin to "tackle that mothafucka" before. Also, it's not about whether or not drag shows have "prestige" or not, it's about people, especially straight women (which I hear is by far the most likely type of person to disrupt live shows) disrupting shows and disrespecting performers. I haven't been into drag culture for very long, but I get the impression that shutting down hecklers and people who feel they're allowed to get on stage with the performer is nothing new; it has little to do with the relative popularity of RPDR or modern notions of political correctness. You're right, drag shows are not "prestigious and hallowed", and that's why you hear pretty regularly about people disrupting shows, and that's also why queens have to learn how to handle hecklers and disruptive audience members.
EDIT: And sometimes tackling the mothafucka is unfortunately what is required. Have you seen that video where some guy started hanging onto Bob in the middle of one of her performances, and she was forced to body slam him to get him off of her?

[–]saintroremThorgy Thor 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Right, the Bob video... it's like, did you really need to body slam him? Nah, but you needed to respond somehow cause that was a small space & the patron was being beyond disruptive.

 

But like this video... was the bitch dumb to walk in front of a queen starting her show? Yes. Was it appropriate for the queen to go out of her way to push her & then be applauded? Ehhhh. I mean it's funny because it looks like the girl was fine & got the message lol.  

But what if she got hurt, you know? If I was a drag queen I would think twice before putting my hands on a patron-- disruptive or not. Letting a bitch have some harsh words is a-okay by me... but in this litigious world we live in now, im not gonna get my ass taken to court for hurting a drunk patron.

[–]nyctokyoparislondon 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I totally agree that, if I were a queen, I wouldn't put my hands on someone who didn't put their hands on my first. The video you showed is not something I advocate (like I said, I don't advocate violence). But Bob's situation was different. That man put his hands on her first, he was disrupting the show, and he could have been dangerous. Again, I don't advocate violence, but Bob acted in self-defense.

[–]saintroremThorgy Thor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, that guy was some kind of messy lol. Words never hurt, but I would think twice about getting physical, even if it was playful... cause like this video w/Courtney-- yes the girl got on stage, but Courtney grabbed her and put her down & look like they fell.

 

I just feel like big queens like that need to stop playing tiny ass gay bars, or the bars need to start treating the show like a concert w/security, rules spelt out on their tickets, etc.

[–]kangaesugiCircus Clown 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Have you seen that video where some guy started hanging onto Bob in the middle of one of her performances, and she was forced to body slam him to get him off of her?

The video in question for people who haven't seen it!

[–]brauchenIt's absolutely gratis to use my apparatus 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

It doesn't matter if you love him, or capital H i m, but you don't get up on stage when miss Courtney Act is on stage.

[–]saintroremThorgy Thor 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Video there. It's really confusing... it looks like Courtney interacts with her/says "it's my fucking show" and then the girl gets up there? I mean, like we all mostly agree on-- getting on the stage is sort of a faux pas, but it's not like she seemed drunkenly belligerent to me.

 

At the end of the day it's Courtney being playful & the girl feeling really embarrassed, no big revelation either way... But is this gay Mardi Gras? Maybe Court should book bigger places, too to prevent that from happening on her end?

[–]llokanoBob the Drag Queen 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nope. The girl got up on stage first.