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[–][deleted] -61ポイント-60ポイント  (157子コメント)

I can't stand Alig haters. Bitch please

Edit for everyone: No, I am not "trolling". Here are my complete thoughts.

Michael Alig killed a man nearly 2 decades ago. This will never change, that's not how time works. He did not turn himself in, neither would any other heroin addict. There are no "excuses" to be made, just facts. He served the better part of the last 2 decades in prison and got out last year. He has stayed sober and is a changed man. I personally hold nothing against him; I believe in forgiveness and second chances. Saying someone "should rot" is just bitter. Michael Alig is not a killer. He's a 49 year old artist and excon who is trying to make a living and a career again. Holding grudges gets you nothing in life. Everyone deserves the chance to do something with their life. He has just as much right to pursue his artwork as anyone else.

Remember, "forgive, but don't forget". (Emphasis on the "forgive" part, people)

[–]UpInRusWigsAcid Betty 20ポイント21ポイント  (21子コメント)

Well it's not like he killed someone... horribly or anything... I think it's time we got over the Charles Manson hate.

[–]CHNYC 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

"Michael Alig is not a killer."

So, he was just hanging out in prison for 20 years for fun?

[–][deleted] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

He was in prison so that he could become a normal person. To continue labeling someone a "killer" 20 years after the fact does nothing but bully.

[–]CHNYC 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's clearly no reasoning with you. It's not like Alig was arrested for a non-violent offense and was a political prisoner. He took a life purposely. If you consider that normal, there is no hope for you.

[–][deleted] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No one is denying any of the things you just said. I don't see what your problem is.

[–]trashdelanoThorgy Thor 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

He killed someone. That makes him a killer. Regardless of time, served or not. He still bashed a man's head in, let him sit in a bathtub full of bleach for a week, and then hacked his body up into a whole lot of pieces, and then took those pieces and threw them into the harbor. He killed someone's child. He is a killer. Point blank and the period.

[–][deleted] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Okay.

[–]Kids_Eat_FreeAcid Betty 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

I hear what you're saying and I somewhat agree. I think there's a difference between a character flaw and a mistake, however. I think (hope) some are less forgiving here just because of the nature of the murder as opposed to just dismissing and making a witch hunt on the basis of 'he's a bad guy!!!' It's just like the Orthodox Jew who just killed the girl in the pride parade even though he did the exact same thing ten years ago. Just because he did time doesn't mean he's changed, necessarily. However, I don't think anybody in this sub knows the guy good and well to make any judgements.

Edit: Jesus, I use 'just' a lot.

[–]Its-very-thatThorgy Thor 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here's the thing, Alig never intended on killing Angel, it was just in heat of the moment and all of the drugs he was on. The man at the pride parade stabbed six people, what he did was planned, it was not only a hate crime but an act of terrorism and someone like him deserves to be locked up forever.

[–][deleted] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Someone like Yishai Schlissel is a danger to those around him. For him, prison is probably where he needs to be. Someone like Michael is just trying to promote his artwork and start his life again.

[–]kingbanjeeBob the Drag Queen 43ポイント44ポイント  (75子コメント)

Bitch please? Girl you're supporting a murderer, bitch bye.

[–]LumpySpaceDukeCynthia Lee Fontaine 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

There's a difference between supporting the human in the person who killed, the forgiveness every being deserves and support murders. I think Jambeard is going at that point. That man already have been through jail and the justice determined the time he needed in prison and it seems from the time he was out he has behaved like a common citizen, except if you have some receipts.

[–]kingbanjeeBob the Drag Queen 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Just because he hasn't committed a crime in the year that he was out (golly jee, people who are on parole after a 17 year prison sentence usually don't) doesn't mean I have to support him. I don't give a shit about supporting the human inside of him, he killed another person. He doesn't deserve shit other than to be erased from this planet. Jambeard has no point other than to insult members who don't agree with supporting a murderer.

[–]LumpySpaceDukeCynthia Lee Fontaine -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

He doesn't deserve shit other than to be erased from this planet.

That's way too hardcore and I don't agree, but well I can't argue with someone whose opinion seems to be totally developed at that issue. That statement above is exactly what I'm talking about(going to the extreme of wanting someone to die/be considered less than a human) that I totally disagree which doesn't mean I support him.

[–]kingbanjeeBob the Drag Queen 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

What was way too hardcore was the murder he committed. The people he abused. The lives he ruined.I mean shit, he made Ru kiss him for her money she earned and he SPIT in her mouth!

[–]LumpySpaceDukeCynthia Lee Fontaine -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

And I agree with you on that and those actions were horrible, but most of them were under the effects of substance abuse. Some people with that past behavior can respect others after a great journey and effort. So if today he can accomplish it, it doesn't mean he should be considered mud and be universally treated like that.

[–]BrokeWhoreganI'm serving #TheBestICanDoRightNowInThisSituation 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm with you. Until I meet him personally, I have no ability to say whether or not he's changed, but after getting clean and doing his time for 20 years, I sure as fuck don't get to decree that he is incapable of being a decent person ever again in his lifetime. Not even narcissistic murderers are as black and white as we wish they were. I'm a little disappointed that this sub has so little compassion... but then, I guess we're brought together by a reality show that will earn drag queens death threats over picking on our favs, so maybe the joke is on me here, heh.

[–]Gamer10123Kim Chi 13ポイント14ポイント  (15子コメント)

This is such a stupid argument... Alig was obviously a narcissist, and people like him DO NOT change. I don't care how long he was in prison.

Michael Alig is not a killer? Really queen? That's exactly what he did. Murdering someone, especially as brutally as he did, is not a "bad life decision." It makes you a fucking monster.

[–]ReqtiRed Lobster 17ポイント18ポイント  (11子コメント)

Supporting a man that chopped another human being into pieces. You are just as sick as him. Boy bye.

[–]AJLightyLooking Good and Feeling Thorgeous 5ポイント6ポイント  (13子コメント)

ITT: people who don't believe in forgiveness, rehabilitation, or second chances.

Yes Alig committed an atrocious act and it can never be undone. He has served time and reformed. Rehabilitation is half the point of the justice system, the other being punishment, obviously. If you refuse to treat him as a person who is attempting to reform then you are failing the system.

[–]wigsnatcherDo you remember farting in an Egyptian style? -4ポイント-3ポイント  (10子コメント)

The responses here really reveal the general maturity level of this sub.

[–]kingbanjeeBob the Drag Queen 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'm immature... If I don't support a murderer? You know what, maybe Alig is innocent. Because clearly you motherfuckers are getting some shit from Angel to snort.

[–]wigsnatcherDo you remember farting in an Egyptian style? -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Keep on reaching, baby!

[–]kingbanjeeBob the Drag Queen 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Reaching..? How am I reaching? You understand that you are defending a murderer and condemning those who don't support him... right?

[–]wigsnatcherDo you remember farting in an Egyptian style? -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I pointed out that the responses in this post seem immature to me, and you're jumping to the conclusion that I'm defending Michael Alig's actions. That's reaching, you stupid fucking cunt.

[–]kingbanjeeBob the Drag Queen -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

You can't call someone immature and then a stupid fucking cunt. You're sad.

[–]wigsnatcherDo you remember farting in an Egyptian style? -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What's wrong with telling the truth?

[–]Gamer10123Kim Chi 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Wow. It's immature not to trust a totally fucked up person who committed a horrible crime? He didn't even just kill someone, he butchered them horribly and was described by many as an overall "off" and disgusting person even before then. And what is with people assuming that just because he was in prison, he reformed? How the fuck do you know?

But okay, let's all be "mature" like you. Heck, let's let all the murderers out of prison for a second chance! Who cares if we're risking people's lives by doing so!

[–]uu91 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, so let's kill him already, no?

[–]wigsnatcherDo you remember farting in an Egyptian style? -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Am I saying you should trust him? I don't recall saying anything like that. You're certainly free to choose who you trust and who you don't. Also, can you point out to me where I assumed he has reformed or said he was reformed? Thanks in advance! <3

[–]Gamer10123Kim Chi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I said what is with PEOPLE assuming he has reformed. Not you specifically. But the person you replied to said "he has served time and reformed."

But you're calling the responses of people here "immature" when we're literally saying he shouldn't be trusted because of the type of person he is, and there's been no obvious sign of being "reformed." So make up your mind on who you're agreeing with.

[–]Mangusu -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think he is just trying to get Lunch with someone he admires.

[–]trashdelanoThorgy Thor -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How has he done anything to reform? He's making YouTube videos and Tweeting and trying to find relevance. HE NEVER EVEN SAID SORRY.

[–]irishcykeChad about to Die! lmao i'm hilarious. 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You hold nothing against him? How nice for you.

[–]woundedbreakfastNaomi's butt -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

I am willing to bet good money that /u/jambeard hates "thugs" and hopes for increased jail sentences for "violent blacks" like Michael Brown.

The middle-class excuse-making for a (poor, misled, reformed) white ex-junkie is astounding. I guarantee if Alig were a few shades darker, jambeard and his ilk would be crying foul about letting a convicted murderer out onto the streets of NYC, and screaming at Sharon to run for the hills.

[–]AJLightyLooking Good and Feeling Thorgeous 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

There is no evidence to suggest any of that in this thread. Such reaching. I believe all criminals deserve an attempt at rehabilitation after they've served their sentence and it's judged that they are no longer a danger.

Absolutely no need to suggest /u/jambeard is a racist or turn this into a race issue.

[–][deleted] 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

I will not fucking tolerate you calling me racist. That's is absolutely laughable, and based on nothing. Go to hell.