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General** An apology, I'm sorry** (self.MensRights)

Since_1993 が 投稿

I've been seeing a huge backlash against feminist and I completely understand.. As a female I want to apologize to my fellow males. No one should ever feel that they are being attacked for simply being a gender, which they did not choose. Modern "feminist" have taken this fight too far. Please know that I am a feminist who stands for equality! This is what feminism is.. Not this outrages one sided fucked up system that these women have created. I am completely irritated with the situation. I've seen that these are the same women who get rejected and then they wonder why? People are so sensitive now a days and can't be told anything without hurting them or being "triggered" (I find this word completely annoying/insulting as a victim of assault). Men, please know we are not all like this... Some of us won't make you pay for all our dates but we also won't get offended if you offer.. We won't get mad if you buy us gifts and we will return the gesture. We won't get mad if you hold the door for us, instead we will smile sheepishly and say thank you. We won't get mad if you call us beautiful.. I will say thank you. If you ask me out on a date and I'm not interested I will decline nicely. We all deserve to be treated fairly... I don't believe in a one sided world. Ladies, treat your man the way you want him to treat you. Don't expect a good man to stay with that type of attitude. I know if I had to deal with that I would be running out the door.

P.S - I know both my grammar and spelling are not the best. I did look over this a couple times but I'm a working progress.

*UPDATE

Thanks to everyone who commented and the people who were patient with me. Everyone definitely made me see that the textbook, dictionary, term of feminism no longer exist or maybe never did!

I went to a very very liberal school and teachers definitely pushed that on you a lot. So did my family, I was raised with all females and my father wasn't really in the picture.. I didn't see Feminism as wrong.. I saw modern feminism as wrong.. I never agreed with them.. I actually got blocked from posting on their Reddit.. I felt very welcomed to this community and will continue to support all of you... This has been a good experience!!

This post was over all to make men feel that not all women out there where against them. Over the last week I've been seeing many negative comments to women in general because of feminist. I was so fed up with it that I wanted this to be positive!

again thank you for all your understanding.. Again sorry for any misuse of grammar/spelling ETC.. :)

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[–]orangorilla 35ポイント36ポイント  (49子コメント)

You don't need to apologize on behalf of women, we don't hold a whole gender to blame for anything. In addition, I think you may be misunderstanding the gender composition of the MRM, there are women here too.

But most importantly, the MRM doesn't focus solely on social "dating" issues that you call out. Tell me, what are your views on circumcision? Legal parental abortion? Male birth control? Legal justice? The family court? Discrimination in educational institutions? Affirmative action?

Excuse the visual, but you're pissing on a match when the whole house is on fire.

[–]intensely_human 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

You forgot conscription. Even though it's not the most pervasive (in today's world it seems to be limited to Eastern Europe and Africa), it is definitely one of the most horrific and blatant violations of men's rights.

[–]orangorilla 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

That and the draft, that's true. I had forgotten, we got military issues somewhat fixed in 2015 in Norway, luckily.

[–]intensely_human 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

What happened in Norway?

[–]orangorilla 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The draft, should it ever happen, was made gender neutral. Applying for all men and women of adult age. The remainder I see is to make one year service in the armed service mandatory across the genders as well (førstegangstjenesten).

[–]zangerinus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

in today's world it seems to be limited to Eastern Europe and Africa

Sure, but I think the draft is about equally bad, which is implemented in most 1st world countries.

I mean, the only difference is, government has to press a button, and then an entire nation is enslaved.

[–]Since_1993[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (43子コメント)

Of course not! I am here to apologize for aggressive modern feminist who want all men dead. It's just a nice gesture that can make someone's day. Also I know there are females on here! But all the topics you mentioned are options that men should make the decision, but they should have the option to choose. I would never tell a man to get a vasectomy. We all have to make choices on our own. We can't keep blaming each other... Abortion should always be talked about between the two individuals who are in that situation. I know when I went on birth control it affected me so much that my boyfriend told me it wasn't worth the misery that I was going through. He said that we can look at options together and I agreed.. I didn't want to do it all by myself I needed support... Just like he said that we could just use condoms and he didn't want to see me that way. I am always learning and I appreciate you asking me :) I love to hear others opinions! Please include yours

[–]orangorilla 8ポイント9ポイント  (40子コメント)

Hey, I'll go over my opinion here, maybe you'll see where I'm coming from.

I don't identify as a feminist because I regard patriarchy theory as central to feminism, and I don't believe it is a good model to describe western society. I do on the other hand identify as a WRA, because I advocate for the rights of women as well as men.

As for the issues I mentioned that are not exclusively social in nature:

what are your views on circumcision?

Abhorrent tradition, should be illegal.

Legal parental abortion?

Choosing when to become a parent should be a human right that is protected by law for both genders, a legal parental surrender that works for both genders would do that.

Male birth control?

This should be pushed for by the medical industry, there are a number of methods in development that would allow males to claim control over their own reproductive health.

Legal justice?

I personally believe the whole legal system is due for an overhaul to eliminate racial and gendered bias.

The family court?

See my previous point

Discrimination in educational institutions?

Anonymizing tests to eliminate teacher bias seems like a good thing, and the educational system should look at adapting to the minds of young boys as well.

Affirmative action?

Fuck it. No matter who gains from it, it flies against the core concept of earning your place when you climb to higher socioeconomic strata

[–]sillymod 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Your sympathy is appreciated, but you should not feel the need to apologize.

[–]Since_1993[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

But this can make someone's horrible day feel better.. Sometimes when I loose faith in humanity a letter from anybody can change my views. That's what I was trying to do :)

[–]perplexedm 8ポイント9ポイント  (10子コメント)

Don't apologize for a some random, selfish, reckless people. It is not at all you fault they are dumb.

It will be like some men who go around apologizing on behalf of rapists, misogynists, etc. I consider that as a huge disservice against 99.99% normal men who grind their bones to keep up their family happy and safe.

btw, hope you will enjoy your time here, get to know more realities from another perspective.

[–]Since_1993[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

Thank you. I have already followed and I am always open to hear opinions! My apology is to make men feel that they matter because the world is a little crazy right now!!

[–]intensely_human 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

Have you had debates with other feminists about this sort of "have taken it too far" issue? If so how does it go?

[–]Since_1993[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Never good.. They go crazy. Even if your patient! You can seriously talk to them in a good matter and throw facts but they will always end up yelling at you. Haha.. I try to be as understanding and as compassionate as possible to everyone .. Well unless if you start becoming too aggressive.

I posted on the Reddit account for feminist and they blocked me. :/ I guess they don't want to see the truth

[–]Since_1993[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Never good.. They go crazy. Even if your patient! You can seriously talk to them in a good matter and throw facts but they will always end up yelling at you. Haha.. I try to be as understanding and as compassionate as possible to everyone .. Well unless if you start becoming too aggressive.

I posted on the Reddit account for feminist and they blocked me. :/ I guess they don't want to see the truth

[–]Since_1993[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Never good.. They go crazy. Even if your patient! You can seriously talk to them in a good matter and throw facts but they will always end up yelling at you. Haha.. I try to be as understanding and as compassionate as possible to everyone .. Well unless if you start becoming too aggressive.

I posted on the Reddit account for feminist and they blocked me. :/ I guess they don't want to see the truth

[–]intensely_human 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Somehow you posted this comment three times.

[–]Since_1993[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Reddit app keeps doing that.. It's really annoying!

[–]Since_1993[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

The Reddit app keeps doing that.. It's really annoying!

[–]intensely_human 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

And this one twice. If you're on iOS you could try AlienBlue, which has been around for much longer and is less buggy.

[–]Since_1993[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you! I will now.. I tried to delete the once that got posted too many times.. But then it got too difficult.

[–]iainmf 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks for starting a discussion. I think the MRM needs women to be outspoken about men's issues if we are to break the last great gender stereotype of 'strong man, vulnerable woman'. Nothing will break down that stereotype more than strong women speaking for vulnerable men.

Modern "feminist" have taken this fight too far. Please know that I am a feminist who stands for equality! This is what feminism is..

I define feminism by the actions of it's adherents, and if we look at those actions, feminism is not about equality. Just recently the National Organisation for Women, and other feminists organisations came out in opposition to a shared parenting law. There is a long history of feminists opposing equality.

Perhaps you could say that they are not 'real feminists' but if large, powerful organisation like NOW is against equality, then it's probably more likely that they are 'real feminists' and you are the odd one out. That's a good thing, because it means you are for equality, even if you can't agree with 'real feminists'.

[–]Since_1993[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree, I love hearing people's opinion.. Especially when it's welcoming and not aggressive. That's how you change people's views. I agree, I don't fit into modern feminist values today! But I don't want the women's names, who fought for us , to go to shame.. Feminism had good values... I don't want that to be thrown out.. All that hard work! I should probably identify with other movements that will accept me.. But it's hard to let them win!

[–]Since_1993[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Of course not! I am here to apologize for aggressive modern feminist who want all men dead. It's just a nice gesture that can make someone's day. Also I know there are females on here! But all the topics you mentioned are options that men should make the decision, but they should have the option to choose. I would never tell a man to get a vasectomy. We all have to make choices on our own. We can't keep blaming each other... Abortion should always be talked about between the two individuals who are in that situation. I know when I went on birth control it affected me so much that my boyfriend told me it wasn't worth the misery that I was going through. He said that we can look at options together and I agreed.. I didn't want to do it all by myself I needed support... Just like he said that we could just use condoms and he didn't want to see me that way. I am always learning and I appreciate you asking me :) I love to hear others opinions! Please include yours

[–]fengpi 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Your compassion and willingness to be open-minded are encouraging.

[–]Since_1993[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you! I am always open to opinions. I appreciate them!

[–]Imdefender 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

ITS NOT YOURE FAULT We know that not all females are like that. Its not women who have created this There are both male and female Just undersand one thing However please just wach this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o-OcTSeVcs

[–]Since_1993[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course! I agree. But we have the chance to stop it.. It starts with us. I will watch and comment when I have Wi-Fi :).

[–]Lobstermansunion 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

You may be a decent and rational person. Good for you. But Feminism is a hate movement that puts the priorities of upper class white women over every other class of people. You should consider other movements that better express your personal beliefs.

[–]Since_1993[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, I understand.. I just have a belief for the old feminist values.. I feel bad that what they stood up for is going to shame. I definitely stand for more movements . I try to keep myself open.. But I don't agree with any modern feminist values

[–]Lobstermansunion 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

There are many older feminists i really like (such as Camille Paglia) and agree with most of the time. However, I am inclined to feel some of these feminists mainly keep the label out of nostalgia. I fear that when they call themselves feminists, it provides cover for the nasty people.

By the way, the man-hatred isn't the only problem I see with modern Western feminism. I don't think they do women any favors training them they are perpetual victims. modern feminism's tendency to manufacture grievances (such as "manspreading" and "air conditioning is sexist") steals oxygen from very real social problems that affect women (and men.)

[–]Since_1993[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I definitely agree!! Thank you for your opinion!! :)

[–]Since_1993[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I understand.. I just have a belief for the old feminist values.. I feel bad that what they stood up for is going to shame. I definitely stand for more movements . I try to keep myself open.. But I don't agree with any modern feminist values

[–]EvilPundit 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

You will get two main types of responses - those that welcome you, and those who will disparage you.

I'm one of the welcoming kind. Glad to see you here, don't blame yourself for things done by others, and enjoy your visit!

[–]Since_1993[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This app is confusing... Ugh!

[–]LividGGPartisan 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hello. It seems that maybe you come from a country that does not natively speak english. May I ask what your native language is, or where you come from?

I also want to tell you that I understand why you want to hold on to the feminist name. If you are comfortable stating that it is part of your identity, I do not want to take that away from you - but you should also know that a lot of people do not consider you to be feminist, with the type of opinions you express.

A lot of people consider feminism to be more so about improving the lots of women, than about making things equal. That is because membership of feminism is mostly women, and most feminist seem to spend 90% of their time on women's issues - in spite of the fact that the most central pillar of equality, length of education, has long since tipped in favor of women.

This is, to somebody who is 100% in favor of equality, very weird. It suggests that something is not right with the idea that feminism is about equality.

[–]Since_1993[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haha, I live in the US.. I am a foreigner though.. Yeah, I understand what feminism has become.. I would rather not say my nationality.. But I would love for feminism to have a good name again.. But it's definitely something that I have to rethink.. As I can see from all the posts

[–]Since_1993[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haha, I live in the US.. I am a foreigner though.. Yeah, I understand what feminism has become.. I would rather not say my nationality.. But I would love for feminism to have a good name again.. But it's definitely something that I have to rethink.. As I can see from all the posts

[–]Lethn 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I've got nothing against feminists that genuinely want equality, the problem is there are plenty of feminists who see absolutely nothing wrong with treating men like shit and they're the ones who people see the most of because they're in the newspapers, they write for media publications and they control the narrative.

Until we see an even bigger pushback from women on these issues feminists who hate men are just going to push their "Anyone who hates feminism is a sexist" narrative all the time. As ridiculous as it seems we'll only make some real progress if we have demographics on our side that completely break that narrative because what they're pushing is pretty much just hate propaganda.

[–]Since_1993[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I definitely agree.. And with all these comments I'm definitely rethinking it. I am for equal rights.. But I see that I should leave feminism behind.

[–]Lethn 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nothing wrong with being an equity feminist for example, I like Christina Hoff Sommers for the most part and she sticks up for men a lot, unfortunately these misandrist fanatics have gone and completely tainted the label.

[–]Since_1993[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree! Their is no way to be a dictionary term feminist.. If you say your a feminist it's looked as bad. I can see that I should definitely stay away from that and try to make a difference without a label.

[–]ab_roller 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why are you calling yourself a feminist if that term has been hijacked? You won't get it back.

[–]aoeusnth0 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

You could just call yourself humanist or egalitarian and nobody has a problem with those Well, except some idiot feminists, that is. MRAs certainly wouldn't have an issue with that. First and foremost, I consider myself egalitarian, not MRA.

[–]Since_1993[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you!! Yeah, I see the negative impact the word feminism has. Well I see it now

[–]Adanu0 2ポイント3ポイント  (29子コメント)

While your heart is in the right place... you cannot be a feminazi and be for equality. Your movements 'patriarchy' and 'rape culture' dogma is all about demonizing men.

[–]Since_1993[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (25子コメント)

Incorrect. I don't consider that feminism and neither does the dictionary. I wasn't sexually assaulted by a man I was assaulted by a woman.

[–]Imdefender 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

You know for the longest time in western history the dictionary said that the definition a christian was "A good person regardless of Religion" so I have to ask you are you a evil person or are you a christian?

[–]Since_1993[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm a woman looking for equality. I do feel that men are being treated unfairly and I'm not saying that women are not being treated unfairly, because they are. But we need to bring light to all issues not to just one side.. Why is it okay to talk about crimes of rape against women but it's negative if a man gets raped or abused..

This needs to change!!

I will never know what it's like to be a man, but I can try to understand.

[–]Adanu0 4ポイント5ポイント  (20子コメント)

'Dictionary' definition of feminazism is irrelevant, and neither is yours. It's the classic 'that's not my brand of feminism' when your brand isn't the one making policy decisions for the majority of the Western World. This is the policy and dogma of the mainstream feminazi organizations like NOW and dozens of others. Your movement is built upon hatred, and your ideals are built about the feelgood lies that the more savvy feminazis use to trick you into covering and supporting their female supremacist movement.

[–]Since_1993[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why can't their be more than one movement? You are making it seem that everything is either black or white. It's almost like saying because your a republican you can't be for gay marriage or because you are a democrat you can't have any republican ideas. Your only looking at extremist and that's what the media covers because that makes a better headline. You are doing exactly what they are. You're generalizing.. That's what gets us into trouble.

[–]Since_1993[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (17子コメント)

Why can't their be more than one movement? You are making it seem that everything is either black or white. It's almost like saying because your a republican you can't be for gay marriage or because you are a democrat you can't have any republican ideas. Your only looking at extremist and that's what the media covers because that makes a better headline. You are doing exactly what they are. You're generalizing.. That's what gets us into trouble.

[–]Adanu0 2ポイント3ポイント  (16子コメント)

Because feminazism, in itself, is based upon 'patriarchy theory' and 'rape culture'. These are core principles for the feminazi movement by their own admission in books, organizations, and all the public leaders of your movement.

If you want to get anywhere with your 'equality' philosophy with anyone sane, you need to wake up to what the rest of your movement does and says, and learn that the only way you'll ever get traction is to break ties with feminazism. No pretty Emma Watson speeches. No manspreading, no campus rape bullshit. No mainsteam media and feminazi organization lies. Republicans are a political party that needs to evolve. Your feminazi movement never did, which is why it's making up new 'oppressions' now like manspreading to fill the void left by you females taking rights that you shouldn't have without obligations.

When you manage that, then you'll have some respect from me. Not before.

I realize there are plenty of people about here that will disagree with me. Call me 'rude' or 'tactless' for not trying to pretty up the truth, but I've been done for years with beating around the bush.

[–]Since_1993[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (15子コメント)

No, you have the rights to your opinion! I see where you are coming from.. I don't look at Emma Watson for anything.. Except Harry Potter.. Haha!

But I stand for feminism not for the values of the new modern but the old values. Somewhere in between everyone got lost.. I said it before, their were women who fought for equality not for superiority. I don't want all that to go to waste.. They fought hard and fairly.. We probably agree with each other in many issues and I should probably not say I'm a feminist... Since most people will look at that the wrong way.. But maybe people like me can change the meaning of it back to what it originally stood for.

[–]Adanu0 2ポイント3ポイント  (13子コメント)

The new and old values are based upon patriarchy theory. Nothing you say or do is going to change that. You can try to pretend feminazism isn't female supremacist all you like, but it's nothing but feelgood speak.

Any claim feminazism had to equality has been from public perception being manipulated to suite the puppetmasters needs, not from any substantial basis.

That being said, none of this is my opinion... it's fact, based upon looking into what the actual mainstream portion of your movement does.

[–]Since_1993[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (12子コメント)

This is my last post on this comment.. Obviously your not seeing my side at all while and I am telling you I see your side.. Even though we probably have the same values for equality.. Why don't we agree on that and move on.. Isn't that all that matters at the end that we want the same things! Don't worry feminist don't accept me, I was already blocked on their page.. Lol I don't care for modern feminist... At all.. And maybe later on I'll get tired of it but these women gave modern women the rights to vote and to have a voice. I care about that!! Just like I care for equality not to surpass men.. And I stand for a lot of things. But modern feminist is not one of them. They are bat shit crazy!!

[–]Adanu0 2ポイント3ポイント  (10子コメント)

You don't have rights, you have privileges with no responsibility. We men are forced into selective service to earn the rights we have. You are given a pussy pass because this culture wants to believe females can do no wrong.

I see your side well enough. I see you're still trapped in thinking that feminazism was somehow about equality when it was started, when some basic research says otherwise. What you want to believe is a feelgood lie.

[–]Since_1993[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

Im a minority.. Not because I'm a woman but because of my race.. You don't know what I've experienced.. My culture is still very male dominated and females barely have a say.. Don't worry you won't guess it!! Please, I stand for males and females.. I don't believe anything should be handed to me.. I just had to say that! I'm done..

[–]Since_1993[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Im a minority.. Not because I'm a woman but because of my race.. You don't know what I've experienced.. My culture is still very male dominated and females barely have a say.. Don't worry you won't guess it!! Please, I stand for males and females.. I don't believe anything should be handed to me.. I just had to say that! I'm done..

[–]v573v 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

so, you can also call yourself a member of any religion you want without adhering to the religion's dogma?

Today I learned - I'm Catholic and I'm pretty damn sure I'm the pope.

[–]Rasalom72 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

who fought for equality

But they didn't fight for equality... they fought for special rights. The woman's fight for voting rights did not also come with the requirement to enrole in selective service. They (the women who wanted the vote) didn't want the requirement to also be required to serve in the military if the need arose.

So, they wanted all the benefits, with none of the responsibilities. This is the hallmark of feminism. Feminists want for free what men have to earn. Feminists want the same money, without having to do all the hard work to get it. They want the top paying jobs without having to do all the dangerous work some of those entail. They want the retirement savings without having to earn the money to save. They want the family without having to sacrifice their careers to get it.

You would be better off dumping the feminist title and adopting a more equal one.. like "humanist". Anything that is female centric can not be about equality.

[–]TranSpyre 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Femina = Latin for women -ism = stem for system of thought/movement Femina-ism = Feminism = Women's movement

The term doesn't reference equality, it represents advocacy for women. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it is a misrepresentation to say feminism stands for equality. That is only when the inequality in question is directed at women.

[–]mc_blubberson 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Real life determines definition. Definition doesn't determine real life. Feminism has been drug through the mud, just let the label go.

[–]Since_1993[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I now see this.. Thank you :)

[–]mwobuddy 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

Please stop calling men that want to talk to you creepy for not acting in stereotypical ways men are 'meant' to act to be considered worthy of dating or a one night stand.

Thank you.

[–]Since_1993[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

I agree! Unless you come up to me touching me.. I have no issue. But you can't expect me to answer to whistling.. Honestly, it's so downgrading it ruins my confidence. But both men and women should be able to ask each other out and feel confident.

[–]redditorriot 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

it's so downgrading it ruins my confidence

This is on you.

Where I live I get lots of random unwanted attention on the street. It's annoying, but I deal with it.

Good luck.

[–]Since_1993[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Being whistled at like a dog is and will always be downgrading no matter of gender..

I will always say thank you if someone says your beautiful..

But asking if I want an STD is not something that's alright.. When I was in 5th grade a car whistles at me.. He continued by stopping his car in front of me and asking me if I want a ride home.. and when I said no he would keep going at it.. This repeatedly has happened to me growing up.

Trust me I've dealt with a lot!! I deal with it.. It doesn't mean it's not downgrading.

Everyone is different.

[–]redditorriot 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sorry you had to put up with that.

Everyone is indeed different, I don't find it downgrading at all when it's happened to me. Annoying, sometimes. I recommend working on yourself so that it doesn't bruise your confidence.

[–]Since_1993[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean I brush it off.. But doesn't mean it's downgrading.. I don't hold on to things.. Sorry, I should have explained myself better.

[–]Adanu0 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Being whistled at is degrading? LOL you're a closet feminazi with that mentality.

[–]Since_1993[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree! Unless you come up to me touching me.. I have no issue. But you can't expect me to answer to whistling.. Honestly, it's so downgrading it ruins my confidence. But both men and women should be able to ask each other out and feel confident.

[–]equiposeur 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Please know that I am a feminist who stands for equality!

I ask you to make and open-minded re-assessment of what actually makes up feminism today. Here is a good video that demonstrates how feminists use lies and false accusations to attack anyone seeking to address mens issues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y44UlaC3DPo

Please be open to the idea that feminism is not the fair-minded, benevolent movement you believed it to be when you chose to endorse it , and re-evaluate whether it is a label you wish to carry.

[–]Since_1993[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you! I am definitely changing my mind.. I will watch your video. I was against modern feminist but I now see that their really isn't an equality at all!!

[–]Globalization101 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stop using the word gender. Being male is a sex, heterosexuality is biological imperative of the human race to reproduce. Choosing your gender may be a fad but is no replacement of heterosexual identity.

[–]Globalization101 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Equality = equal treatment or = equal outcomes?

[–]Since_1993[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm sorry, I'm not really understanding.. But I just want equal outcomes and treatment.. If you mean with jobs, reporting abuse, sexual assault and any social issue.. This should all be treated the same.

[–]Globalization101 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The laws and rights of men and women are the same. So obviously yes equal treatment under the law. Not reduced sentences for women cause they have a vagina etc.. But wrt to equal outcomes this is the sticky part. If men and women should choose to have different roles in a relationship where a woman gets pregnant and has absolute control over this decides to have the child. She decides to be a stay at home mother. He moves into a provider role obviously. In this whole situation women are totally empowered and the end result is their personal choice because of the primary right to self integrity. Years go by she raises the child the man works earning income to raise the child because of her choice. She ends up having less marketability in the labour market because of it he ends up with greater marketability because he has greater work experience. Enter pay gap, end result is her choosing to have a child absolutely. Further child support should they break up he ends up paying her out of pocket for what was her absolute decision and looses all child custody rights depending on how she sees fit.

Equal outcomes requires the sexes to be absolutely the same when biologically they aren't.

[–]chocoboat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The first one is equality of opportunity. That means that gender is completely ignored. All men and all women are judged by their merit, and companies hire the best person for the job regardless of what's in their pants.

The second one is equality of outcome. That means "this job has to have 50% men and 50% women in it", which is a common position of modern feminists. They demand that if there are 20 jobs available and there are 100 male applicants and 10 female applicants, you have to hire 10% of the men and 100% of the women. They want people to be treated differently based on their gender.

[–]Since_1993[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you.. For the information

[–]Black_caped_man 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Like others have said here, apology not accepted! You do not have the authority to apologize for other people just because they have similar genitals. I may sound harsh but this is something that grinds my gears a whole lot.

Don't think that I don't understand where you are coming from and don't think that I don't appreciate the thought behind your words because I definitely do. The thing is that the mentality that allows us to apologize for other people who share our sex or skin color or whatever physical aspect, is the same thing that allows us to judge others based on the same criteria.

It's a bit different if the apology would come as a feminist because that's a label that you choose to wear, something that's completely in your control.

I have seen a few posts like yours on here lately and honestly it's pretty hopeful. From your edit I see that people have already pointed out some of the issues with feminism so I won't get on that. I see nothing wrong with focusing on women's issues because our society is far from perfect and some issues feel more important to us than others.

Thank you for your post and sorry that I can't accept your apology.

[–]Since_1993[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't worry I'm not offended! I have definitely changed my mind.. And I completely understand.. I've definitely dropped the label... I've gotten a lot of mixed messages and I think this post could be an example of what not to do.. Haha or maybe to learn to accept others opinions.. Who knows! But thank you for your opinion and comment!!

[–]r4ks4k -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stop shitposting.

Either be an MRA or GTFO and shutup that you have a vagina.