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Migrating away from the Ethereum Forums (self.ethereum)

thehighfiveghostEthereum - George Hallam が 投稿

Hello all!

Some of you may remember that a few months ago, /u/taylorgerring ran a community poll titled: [POLL] What should we do with the official forums?

The answer at the time was a resounding "let the forums go, let's move on! There are much better platforms available".

We agree with the community's sentiment, and are now actively looking at closing down the Ethereum Forums.

Any information held on the forum will still be available on http://web.archive.org/

We'll begin a 14 day count down before the off switch is flicked starting.... NOW!

Focus will move to what community members /u/drcode/ & /u/symeof eloquently put as:

  • Reddit for general stuff and news.

  • Gitter for more private/urgent communication.

  • Stack Exchange for every question: basic, technical & complex.

If you have any questions, let us know :)

Thanks!

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[–]SouptacularMod - Hudson Jameson[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (1子コメント)

Attention : EthChamps is going to try to host a read-only copy of the forum. We are working with the Foundation to get the necessary files and will update through Reddit when we have more info :)

To be clear, this is a read-only copy to preserve the history of the forums.

[–]meziti 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

why? Is it that expensive to run? plus with the current eth rate you have way more financial backing then you had a few months ago so in terms of costs it doesn't make sense. I find this a curious and bad move.

[–]taylorgerringEthereum - Taylor Gerring 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

the source poll pretty much gives the reasoning why (or why not)

[–]gr4474 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

I protest

[–]JGriff1221 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I had to register here to say that this is a bad I dea. I just got my first miner running and I am getting another setup very soon. The forum was the best place for a new miner to get information that I have found.

Please reconsider. (aka Abcedarian)

[–]taylorgerringEthereum - Taylor Gerring -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

You protest not having an "official" forum controlled by a central entity?

I'd much rather see important up-to-date information move to a community-run site

[–]etherchain 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

There is still lots of activity on the mining subforum including a very valuable exchange of information. Closing the forum will harm the mining community and most likely force a migration to bitcointalk. The proposed communication channels are not really suitable for mining related information exchange. A better solution would be to remove all except the mining forum and appointment some trusted community members as moderators to maintain it.

[–]taylorgerringEthereum - Taylor Gerring -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

is anyone actively preventing miners from finding a more suitable and self-governed forum? I'm happy to see such an effort

[–]miningmad 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why should we be pushed to a self-governed forum? Does the Ethereum leadership not support this aspect of the community.

As etherchain says, the result of your (ignorantly) intended move will be to push people away from Ethereum and into chain-unspecific communuties like bitcoin talk.

I, for one, will simply stop helping people in the Ether community if the forums close.

[–]taylorgerringEthereum - Taylor Gerring 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why should we be pushed to a self-governed forum?

You do realize that miners validate transactions for decentralized communities, no?

[–]bitcanuck 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't even know what gitter is. I don't have a stackexchange account and dont intend to get one. The reddit forum is pretty lame. Shutting down the forum is a fucked up idea.

[–]miningmad 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

Terrible fucking idea.... You're going to destroy a big chunk of the Ether community, particularly around mining. Reddit is not a replacement for a forum community.

Further to that... you ran a poll about the forums on reddit. Most of the active forum users don't use reddit barely at all (myself included).

Migrate the data off and go to a self-hosted solution if you can't afford vanillaforums. But,you need to realize that none of those 3 "eloquently" put options will take the place of the forums. Most will migrate their activity to bitcointalk, not garbage populist platforms like reddit.

[–]SlymeBeakerBong 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hi, work o/

[–]taylorgerringEthereum - Taylor Gerring 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

miners are free to migrate to whatever community they see fit. why should that necessarily have to be paid for by a central entity?

[–]miningmad 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

This shouldn't have anything to do with money. There's plenty of cheaper solutions that the forums could be migrated to. And, stick up some ads or take donations if neccessary.

A community without a forum is no community at all, IMO.

[–]taylorgerringEthereum - Taylor Gerring 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The community should run the forum

[–]drmorgan53 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

You know, it would have been awfully nice of you to actually ask the people that are using the forum, on the forum, what they thought of shutting it down!!! What a completely thoughtless and misguided deal this is! Most people are on the forum because it's not reddit, so then you go and ask the question about shutting it down solely on reddit. You are showing no consideration for the people you are most affecting. Many noobies come to the forum simply to have a calmer, friendlier place to ask for help than the red hot, over the top reddit venue. Thanks for nothing.

[–]OX3 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not much of a forum user, but this sounds fair enough. None of the alternate forums tend to be very good for ongoing discussion threads on niche topics. Also other languages etc.

[–]miningmad 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bingo... not to mention this reddit seems LESS active then the forums. Talk about idiotic.

[–]taylorgerringEthereum - Taylor Gerring -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

part of the problem with the forum is that no one was actively maintaining it, which is evident in the source poll information

since miners apparently don't speak up on any other channels, what you claim as misguided seems to me like a very narrow view of consideration

[–]avsaEthereum - Alex van de Sande 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Part of the problem is that no one in the dev team uses the forums anymore, I don't think I even have access to my account there, so we didn't even know there was an active subforum there.

This is a terrible situation because the means the mining community is using an infrastructure that no one was maintaining or taking care of and it could have all be accidentally broken.

Now that we are all in communication we are willing to help the mining community migrate to anywhere they want, including exporting all the old content.

[–]miningmad 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Awesome. Migrate the content to a self-hosted forum, maintain all user accounts and badges, and host it at the same URL. That would be a solution, one I (maybe out if pescimism?) don't actually see happening. Anything short of that would be insufficient to maintain the communitty.

Oh, and appoint some of the top users like dlehenky as mods.

[–]Mydst 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

When it comes to mining information, reddit and other sites are woefully inadequate. Many posts on the official forums have grown over weeks/months and are full of technical discussions that people need to keep the network running and get help with the more detailed aspects of running mining gear.

And let's talk about the fact you ran the original poll on reddit...are you surprised there was a bias towards using reddit? It's like asking people if they want to live in California or Florida but then only polling people in California.

It really does not look good for the longevity of the project if the forums get shut down...especially during the latest price dive.

[–]taylorgerringEthereum - Taylor Gerring -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Community-run forums should take place of the "official" one, which is a much healthier long-term solution

[–]miningmad 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I completely disagree. What is your logic in this? I for one would never move to a community-run forum, if it is clear the Ether management doesn't care about us.

Bitcointalk is the official forum. That seems to work pretty darn well.

Maybe the real problem is that you don't understand forum communities?

[–]taylorgerringEthereum - Taylor Gerring 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why do miners seem to have an "us vs them" mentality, whereas the rest of the community is embracing of critical thinking?

Satoshi doesn't run bitcointalk, which would be a more apt comparison

[–]patcon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haven't been on the forums as much lately, but they were definitely a different niche and a different sort of community that I have fond memories of reading through. Kinda surprised you're shutting it down

[–]rdnkjdi 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah I'll chime in again. Ethereum is the BIGGEST CRYPTO next to bitcoin. To not have forums just looks bad & unprofessional. Stack Exchange & Reddit are not adequate replacements for a forum.

[–]taylorgerringEthereum - Taylor Gerring 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

What benefits do an "official" forum bring to a decentralized community? Let many flourish...

[–]rdnkjdi 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

For one ... There's already a lot of information that won't be carried over to whatvers next (and after you turn the forums off it won't rank high in Google). Second, when a community that is fairly active splits to other communities any one of the many is less helpful than the one. Third any future mining updates will either be announced in the blog or quietly released to source and I'll have to scour several resources. Fourth it makes the project look less legitimate. Every semi legit crypto and some not legit ones have official forums where the spirit in which the coin is developed can be maintained at the social level.

Basically for the same reason you should keep the ethereum Reddit is the same reason you should keep the forums. It leaves a gap for a certain communication method that forums fill that Reddit and stackexchange simply don't.

Why not let lots of reddits prosper and shut this one down? Or lots of blogs prosper and shut the official blog down?

I'm not trying to be snide. It just seems pretty pathetic (apathetic?) for a project that's raised as much money as you guys have to shut down the forums. And also taking a vote on Reddit instead of the forums seems like an err in judgement

[–]taylorgerringEthereum - Taylor Gerring 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Many subs do exist, including one dedicated to mining

[–]katz97 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm using inofficial and independent http://ethereumforum.org for about 2 weeks and I guess I need use it more now...

[–]o0ragman0o 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, and who runs that?

Why would the foundation not want to support an official forum that still hosts a very active mining community (at least)?

And why did they ask Reddit users about closing the Forum instead of the forum's users?

"Ethereum, builds immortal distributed platform - unilaterally kills its forum."

Thank's the education in the evils of centralized power structures guys... :(

[–]awrelll 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do we lose our badges and reputation ? :D

[–]verjic 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really??? Forum works just great. You can find any information about Ether very fast on that forum.... I even did not tried to find info in other place, because you can find anything on the forum. I really do not understand that move....Better you would shutdown anything else about Ethereum and move everything to Forum.

[–]miningmad 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just look at the responses here after a this reddit post was linked on the forums. I say again, this is a terrible idea, and you'll be killing a big part of the Ethereum community if you shutdown the forums.

[–]celticwarrior72 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

For the developer and enthusiast community, Slack and StackExchange and Reddit are all fine. I think there'll still be room for independent forums that perhaps target certain niches in the space. One of the issues with the original Ethereum forum is that the software had a poor UX and it was not organized particularly well. But that's because most of the important conversations were happening elsewhere. At some stage, when Ethereum really hits the mainstream, we'll probably see better forums pop up.

[–]HodlDwon -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Excellent!

[–]revanistT3 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

any work on decentralised forums?

[–]taylorgerringEthereum - Taylor Gerring -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

This would be ideal :)

[–]5chdn -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you so much! The forums are horrible :-D

For questions regarding Ethereum Stack Exchange, ping me anytime.

[–]Dave_the_Pigeon -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ethereum forms were great in the early early days, however, they're really just outdated for this number of people who aren't looking for very technical answers.

[–]drcode -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Perfect!