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Our downfall (self.reddevils)

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Just seen City qualify for the CL semi finals for the first time just depressed the shit out of me. They've been ahead of us since 2012 and except for Fergie's last season they havent looked back since they've moved on past looking at United as the standard which they want to beat.

Personally i've been delussional for the past three years thinking that we're fine and we could bounce back at any moment given the right players. The fact is the club is in shambles when it comes to the football side of things. Financially we're doing well but without success on the pitch this will not last.

The club needs a jolt a change at the very core to come up to the standards of the rest of the big teams in europe. Fergie was a one off genius who could do it all himself but hes not around anymore and the club structure needs to adapt to modern times. If things are not fixed by next season we could descend into a Liverpool like whirlwind of delusion and failure. We need to accept that sacking managers is part and parcel of the modern game and we cant expect another genius like Fergie would come along and stay for 20 odd years.

I know this sounds depressing but I am past thinking about this season regardless of CL qualification and the FA Cup, we need a change and we need it sooner than later.

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[–]mu_37Schneiderlin 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

maybe i am too optimistic but i don't think we are THAT much behind them,i really believe we are a manger and a few signings away

[–]shadowbanned32 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

And Fergie didn't do everything himself. He was a delegator. He had people in charge of everything from running training to making tactical decisions...

[–]CveinMemphis & Martial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Remember, we got A LOT of young, good players. These players should only get better with time.

[–]hitpopMemphis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mourinho as manager. Ibrahimovic, John Stones, Renato Sanches, James Rodriguez and Griezmann. Lol

[–]KeKaRoNiJanuzaj 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There comes a time where our crosstown rivals become the influence or standard in the pessimist's eyes.

Yes, they've qualified for the UCL semis, but they won't get further than that. They have Real to deal with, and possible a strong Bayern, Barca, Atetico, or Benfica side to deal with in the midst of it as well.

Besides, they're pouring everything into Europe, leaving themselves vulnerable in the EPL, also leaving 4th available for the taking- which is to be decided by us or West Ham.

In terms of squad, they're depth is that of a kiddie pool. Once they lose Aguero, Kompany or De Bruyne, they're done for in terms of form (as seen by their 2016 run in the EPL).

Don't sweat it, we've had dark periods before. The good thing about Man United is that we can get over it by just winning one thing (whether it be a game against a good side or a trophy).

[–]An0therk 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Going through history, this is how football has played out. Teams dominate and peak then crumble and fall away. We've done it before, Liverpool did it Leeds did it. Maybe we'll pull a miracle out of the bag and turn things around, or maybe we'll drop off for 5-10 years until new ownership or a new generation of stars turn things around. If the latter happens, United will be a laughing stock but, (as much as I hate to say this) like Liverpool, our real fans will stay behind the team no matter what and we will wait patiently until form returns.

[–]SonnyisKing 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not really, Our downfall is our own doing. Our board, manager and CEO are imbeciles who are running the club into the ground.

[–]ManUChao7Memphis -3ポイント-2ポイント  (9子コメント)

City spent massive this summer and they re still shit. They were lucky so far with Juventus struggling in group stage and missing 1st place and now with PSG their midfield was missing even Motta picked injury and Verratti,Matuidi are world class. With Mourinho and James;) we will be back.

[–]knoxisbackMemphis 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

Why are people so confident James is basically a done deal? Not even close to the likelihood of Jose or even Ibra being here next season. Tone it down

[–]StannisJrScholesy 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's wishful thinking. I don't think there's been any reliable journalists even linking him to us.

[–]ManUChao7Memphis -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's just like Di Maria and considering Di Maria was one of Real MVP James situation is easier.

[–]ManUChao7Memphis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm confident Ja Es is leaving Madrid and there are few clubs who can attract him. With Mendes he have even better chances.

[–]sitdownyouidiot 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

They're in the semi finals of the champions league. How the fuck can you say they're shit.

Fucking hell such a backwards and dumb comment.

[–]ReflectingGodMata 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They aren't a shit team, but they have been relatively shit every other week this season.

[–]ManUChao7Memphis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We almost reached semis under Moyes. Their performances are very bad this season u can see that in premier. in champions league there is allways luck factor.

[–]Hamadovich[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Regardless of how they did it they are ahead of us any way you slice especially in the CL. We've also spent tons of cash during van Gaal's tenure with no result to show for. I think Mou would be a great solution but please let's not buy any more Madrid players we'll end up over paying and the return is uncertain.

[–]ManUChao7Memphis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They have more experienced team. Yes we spend much but mostly for young unproven talents who need time. Di Maria is a cunt but he is world class he could have been much better with another Manager. Mourinho can deal with players like that because he wants to win titles.

[–]Low-Born-Scum -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

I really don't know what to say, watching City win tonight with my dad and it was just heart-breaking, what have we become?

I don't see what we can do to change our situation really, our squad just isn't good enough to compete in all these big competitions, even after spending crazy amounts. We crashed out of the CL and then the EL, we might get the FA Cup but considering the other four teams in the competition, I should be a lot more confident that I am.

:/

[–]ManUChao7Memphis 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

We have so many new players in our squad and a whole new structure to build after SAF. Add to that and a way stubborn manager. All top,clubs have ups and downs, hopefully with all that wealth we will bounce back sooner.

[–]Low-Born-Scum 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

We have a stubborn club hierarchy as well.

[–]emtheory09Herrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

City have also spent more than us (net) in the past five seasons, even this past one too. It's not surprising that that kind of investment led them past us. And that's not even taking into account the fact that we have been wasteful in our transfer business too.

[–]black_squireMartial -5ポイント-4ポイント  (9子コメント)

What the clubs needs is at least 4 WC players and a strong supporting cast. I believe it's that straighforward.

Zlatan/Ronaldo, James, Kroos/Kante, Mahrez will solve a majority of our problems. We don't have any talent that can change games or evoke passion or a desire to grow from the rest of the team. We have a lot of average players and no one above average to tip the scale in our favor.

[–]An0therk 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

You should totally be our manager next year mate, you've basically just figured out how to be the best again. Wow

[–]black_squireMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The discussion thread was created surrounding the idea of how we get back to what we were. I made a suggestion. If you don't agree, pose your alternate idea.

[–]CalabriaStuCazzo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe United could also get Messi and Neymar.

[–]fakeplasticairbag 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

No shit. If we added four world class attacking players we'd be sorted, they don't grow on trees.

If Newcastle added four world class players they'd be pretty damn good too

[–]black_squireMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

LOL so because they don't grow on trees means it's not the truth? I mean every top team has world class players. If you're going to compete on that level you need to get those players. There is no returning to that level without world class players. So again, what's so foolish in my suggestion?

[–]fakeplasticairbag 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's not wrong, it's just really fucking obvious.

[–]black_squireMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Doesn't mean it shouldn't be stated as opposed to some overly complicated idea of changing the board etc.

Point is, regardless of how you look at it, we are 4 WC players behind the top contenders. Fix that and everything else fixes itself.

[–]fakeplasticairbag 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

And the manager.

[–]black_squireMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

well depends on how you look at it. lol

[–]Allard1994Blind for Ballon d'Or -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

City are not a real club. They're buying everything. If you had to compare them, they'd be that kid that buys all the weapon unlocks in Battlefield so he doesnt have to unlock them himself.