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Elliot Roger wasn't mentally ill. Not really. (self.Truecels)

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The claim that ER was mentally ill is, of course, a lie told by liberals who can't comprehend that people are not robots who will function without partners.

Was ER mentally ill?

I'd say yes, but not really.

  1. He was mentally ill in that he was depressed. But this depression could have been alleviated by getting a wife. It was a purely situational depression that no meds could solve. Just like no meds could solve lack of water or food.

  2. Was he narcissistic, vain, superficial? Yes, but so are 99 percent of Americans. His behavior wasn't worse than that of most Californians, and in some aspects it was better. In this aspect he was as mentally ill as most of America is, and even slightly less.

  3. Third argument for him being mentally ill is the one I pondered myself, as idiotic modern society never presented it. The fact that he refused to go to Morocco or visit a non-feminist place to find a wife. But it is doubtful how much ER knew about history and feminism or even how much control he had over his parent's money. I believe he didn't know much, since he believed he could get a "girlfriend" among blonde Santa Barbara sluts who understand the concept of relationships as much as they do Mandarin.

So why did ER did what he did?

Simply due to understandable frustration of being denied the most important factor for human happiness. So his act is both brave and natural. What is unnatural are those who don't react similarly while knowing as much as he did.

The idea that he was mentally ill for refusing to go on without these crucial things is hilarious. It just shows how much Western world deserves such things.

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[–]Diogenes-- 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

His mother rejected him. There's no way to describe the pain unless you've been through it. Her rejection forms the core of who you are. He never approached women at all, never asked a woman out, never used tinder, didn't hire an escort, etc. This is because he preemptively knew he was rejected; the mother forms the template for how we view all women, and if this is changeable I have no idea how. It may not be. I'm sure he wanted sex like most 22 year olds but what he felt entitled to was the basic acceptance from women as a human being (iow from his mother). Unfortunately there's just a small window of opportunity for this in early childhood and his mother blew it.

He stabbed and slashed his first 3 victims 180 times total. They were short, smart asian men and as such they embodied his own perceived failings. His mother rejected him as a baby so his logical mind looked for things he was born with which caused this rejection, as a baby has made no style choices and has no personality by which to be rejected. Those 180 stabs and slashes consumed the bulk of his rage as he was attacking its true source. This is why he only managed 3 more kills 3 hours later deapite having guns. Compare that to high scorer Seung Hui Cho who tagged 32 despite being less armed.

I've finally realized that my celibacy is voluntary and due to the unshakeable notion that all women hate me. And I've been laid, like I said the belief is so deeply rooted it's unshakeable. Through meditation I have found relative happiness (I no longer think about suicide, which was a daily thought for most of my life), and I suspect that as I continue meditating regularly I will continue to improve.

A lot of you guys are extremely unhappy and angry as I was. I don't know your peraonal situations but meditation can help everyone, and this is proven by a lot of science, easily googleable. 20 minutes a day can work wonders and I highly suggest you guys try it for a few months. Life's too short to spend it that miserably when you don't have to. /r/meditation

[–]caamib[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ummm, if anything I am proof that meditation doesn't work for anybody. I tried it and was just simply too angry to do it. And I mean I tried it with an expert.

Also, there's a deeper problem, which is that a truly enlightened man doesn't want to feel happy in an unnatural situation.

[–]Diogenes-- 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Meditation works but if you were too angry to do it then you didn't do it. I was the same, my shrink years ago gave me pills intended to calm me down enough to start to work my way through it, but they just put me to sleep.

What finally worked was weed. I would get high and just lay in bed thinking, a form of meditation even if I didn't realize it at the time. The benefit was permanent, it's been 2+ years since I smoked and now I meditate the normal way.

[–]caamib[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ok, but if somebody needs to fail once and then use what is somewhere illegal substance as a second attempt to get it to work (don't get me wrong, I don't think pot should be illegal) then it's kinda silly to claim it can help everybody.

Especially given the fact that you have some unhealthy conclusions in general. Healthy males don't make peace with incel.

[–]Diogenes-- 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Weed is one way of many to calm down and/or gain insight. There are various legal ways like kratom, morning glory seeds, salvia (careful with that one) and so on. If you could just spend 5 minutes a day breathing deeply even that could possibly get you over the hump, idk.

I think it was Crowley who said that at the end of the day, whatever we did that day was what we wanted to do. By that way of thinking there is no incel, only volcel. It was true for me, at any rate. I can't stand women and don't want to be near them. Especially these days where not a woman alive has had less than 200+ partners and they're all festering with disease.

A lot of great men were celibate, such as Tesla, Newton and (I think) Thoreau. Religions have told us for thousands of years that women are shit and we should stay away from them if we can. I'm not making an argument for god, mind you, only suggesting that religions might have a few nuggets of wisdom in them.

Anyway I don't claim to be perfect, cured, healed, etc., only much better off than I was.

[–]whereismysafespace_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

I like the points you make. His demise was his pride : he couldn't get the girls he wanted, but he was decent looking and had family money. In a lot of other places he would have been average height or above.

He wanted to play above his level, and when it didn't work, he never did anything smart : he went on a rampage.

Side note : he had as many male victims (and I think more fatalities) than female. Even his rampage was half-assed.

[–]CheesyFedora 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

It really is too bad that he had so many male victims. It would have been best if he didn't have any male victims. That just made his rampage pointless. His rampage should have been solely directed at women. Women are the ones who kept him from being happy. The men with these women were just doing what any man, including ER, would have done in their position.

[–]whereismysafespace_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

The men with these women were just doing what any man, including ER, would have done in their position.

That fucker also killed his roomates and random dudes. That does not even make sense to me : they were not competitors, adversaries, or romantic rivals.

[–]CheesyFedora 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know. Everything he did was badly planned out. If he's gonna kill himself anyway he may as well at least have a solid plan. Not something like "I need to kill my roommates to turn my apartment back info a torture chamber. And I'm going to go to this sorority house on random night to kill them without even knowing their schedule." He could have been a hero for all incels but instead he completely failed. At least he had the same troubles as us.

[–]whereismysafespace_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If he's gonna kill himself anyway he may as well at least have a solid plan.

Exactly. "Stabbing 3 random dudes and hurting more people with my car than with my gun" is not going out in a blaze of glory. Might have well just shot himself. The pity people would have felt would have had more impact. It just feels petty. Especially from someone in a country with free access to firearms, and financial means.

Look at Cho Seung Hui : 2 handguns (one of which was a .22), managed like 30 kills. Fucker was crazy but methodical : he would add one or two bullets to every victim that went down (that's why he has a very good killed versus wounded ratio).

Breivik had a great plan too, and even more victims, but in a way he was almost shooting fish in a barrel (so I'm on the fence about him : was he a great planner, or did he just go for super low hanging fruit?). Anyway the part where he set a bomb at the same time he went on a rampage was super smart (especially in a city that is not used to even one major incident at a time, it means at the very least greatly delaying the response to his shooting).

[–]SandyCheeks22 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would argue that he kept himself from being happy. He was attractive enough to get a gf but he had a terrible personality. You cant expect women to put up with a shitty guy.

[–]caamib[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Again, I think you're being too harsh.

Americans believe they're the center of the world. Many know very little about other places in the world. When you're living in an affluent area like Santa Barbara it's even easier to think it's the world.

So that could have explained why he didn't even try poorer parts of US.

Other problem was how much money he had real control over.

If he didn't know that there are better women and didn't know about feminism etc then his decision was the best he had.

It's questionable how smart he was if he knew none of that, sure, but here we again come to the issue of that we just don't know.

You claim to like the points I made but you repeat some of what they debunk.

[–]whereismysafespace_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rodger probably had some idea of the "outside world". He spent a lot of time complaining about being half (maybe less?) asian so he had to have an idea about there being other places in the world.

His feelings of alienation (which he pins a lot of on basically his genetics in his manifesto, like his height and so on), while understandable in California, should in themselves have told him "maybe there are other places".

Especially when his mom was asian going from white man to white man. His father remarried a Moroccan woman. And Elliot himself was born in London. At some point he might have had clues that there was a world outside where he was.

If you take his feelings and actions in a context where he'd feel "trapped" in his community, and couldn't escape it, what you say makes sense though. But to me it's a shortcoming on his part (possibly not totally his fault : maybe a problem on his part reinforced by his upbringing so I'd place some level of blame on his family too) to not have looked further, when he probably had the means to do so (even if he had to ask his parents to send him for a year of college abroad).

Maybe I'm harsh to call him proud (and at other times I called him stupid too) but to me he feels like a kid trying to fit a square peg in a round hole, and when it didn't work, kind of threw a fit. And not even a good one.

And on the practical side, his execution of his final plan (and the planning) were poor, almost childish. A lot of people (Marc Lépine, Cho Seung Hui...) who had huge mental health issues (schizophrenia) managed way better than him, with even less ressources than him. I'm not even comparing him to a guy like Breivik (who really had a smart plan and followed it).

Where I agree with you is that (in his frame of mind) he was lacking something vital, and when he couldn't find a way to get it, lashed out. That's how nature programs us (nothing more dangerous than a wounded animal). Any organism, when put under stress (I'm talking the lethal kind, wound or lack of vital ressources) is programmed to try whatever possible (even if it's self destructive). It evens work at the cellular level (and it's common to all life, starting with bacteria).

[–]Bargh9 2ポイント3ポイント  (22子コメント)

Most people would go insane if they were in Elliot's position. There was nothing wrong with Elliot, except for how society treated him.

[–]somehaizi 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

And how he thought women owed him sex because he was a guy. Rule of thumb, if you think someone owes you something and they don't, there is something wrong with you. Let's also not forget he shot up innocent people because they wouldn't spread their legs for him.

[–]fschmidt 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Rule of thumb, if you think someone owes you something and they don't, there is something wrong with you.

Good point. If mainstream Americans think someone owes it to them not to be shot by him, there is something wrong with them.

[–]somehaizi 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

What a strawman of epic proportions.

[–]Bargh9 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

A man is on the streets starving. Everyone around him is eating more delicious food than their stomachs can handle, but no one wants to share any of their food with the starving man. In frustration, the starving mumbles to himself "Why isn't anyone giving me any food? I am a human being; don't I deserve to eat?" The feminist overhears him. She walks up to him, spits in his face, and says "You piece of shit! You are NOT entitled to other people's food! No one OWES you ANYTHING!"

[–]somehaizi 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

than their stomachs can handle,

Hyperbole much?

In frustration, the starving mumbles to himself

A far cry from making videos about how he is owed sex. If he was mumbling to himself nobody would have lambasted him as much as they did. He put that stuff out in the public for people to watch.

I am a human being; don't I deserve to eat?

You deserve to eat but you do not deserve other people's food.

You are NOT entitled to other people's food! No one OWES you ANYTHING!"

This is true.

[–]caamib[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think you understand something. Most of these Californian vermin male thought women owed them sex. Americans think they're owed everything. The difference is that they got it because they were immoral and stupid enough. ER didn't beat or maim women so he didn't. Notice I'm saying that I do believe ER was narcissistic and stuff like that, but that this is seen as normal by Americans, who are the scum of the Earth.

Also, he shot more men than women so I don't know what you're on about in the last sentence. As for being innocent, that's pretty irrelevant in a culture where everybody is evil.

[–]SilentPlanet222 5ポイント6ポイント  (14子コメント)

HAHAHAHAHA yeah no. You guys are fucking stupid. Maybe, just MAYBE, if he didn't act like such a narcissistic asshole all the time and WASN'T painfully awkward around women, then maybe he could have found a woman willing to be with him.

There was nothing wrong with Elliot

Except for um, murdering a bunch of people?

Wow you people are fucking delusional.

[–]caamib[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (13子コメント)

If he was a narcissistic asshole that would only do him well with modern American women, so that's not a problem.

Regarding killing people, what was he supposed to do? Slave away so that some fucking animal of the politically correct race and religion can kill women at will while he can get nothing ?

He knew his situation was bad, based on what he knew, and he did the right thing. Nobody will slave away so that no man who wants to take care of his kids can escape jail.

[–]SilentPlanet222 9ポイント10ポイント  (12子コメント)

Or he could have just killed himself to not have to deal with the pain. He was a piece of shit, as are you and everyone else who actively uses this sub.

Just because you're too awkward/ugly/rude to get a girl means people deserve to die and they deserve to be raped? Fuck you.

Hell I'm pretty fucking ugly and Im recently fucking engaged. Even if you're unattractive, you can get a girlfriend by simply NOT BEING A FUCKING AWKWARD CREEP.

Also, just because you want something, women should be raped for it? Fuck you. I know many women who HAVE been raped. It fucks you up for life. Trust me, way more scarring than "being denied your right to sex".

Eat shit and die, fucking scum of the earth.

[–]caamib[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (11子コメント)

Or he could have just killed himself to not have to deal with the pain.

Yes, he could have done that but that would do no harm to about 300 million human vermin currently living in America. ER understood just how awful these beings were and did the correct thing by punishing some of them. Too bad he didn't manage to enter that sorority house - had he done so he'd probably be the greatest hero in the history of the world.

Just because you're too awkward/ugly/rude to get a girl means people deserve to die and they deserve to be raped?

That's not the reason why incel appears. Incel is by-product of feminism, forever and always https://caamib.wordpress.com/the-story-of-your-incel-an-inconvenient-truth/

Hell I'm pretty fucking ugly and Im recently fucking engaged

If you're male I think all sane people reading you can understand why. Being obnoxious and violent is sought after in modern culture.

Also, just because you want something, women should be raped for it?

Yes, if they're sluts. All women engaging in premarital sex aside from prostitutes are sluts.

Fuck you. I know many women who HAVE been raped. It fucks you up for life.

Why would I trust you given that you don't even know what incel is about?

You wave it off and define it incorrectly.

So let me define rape - "being denied your right to be filthy slut".

Not much of an issue in my mind.

edit 1- why don't you just admit why you're angry at ER? He wasn't black, Muslim or any other group you believe to be sacred. That's the problem. Not that he killed anybody. If any of sacred classes of liberals cut off a woman's head and danced around with it you'd say it's "brave" and "exotic".

You've been cracked. And now you're angry.

[–]SilentPlanet222 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

Lol obnoxious and violent is sought after? Yes, I'm such a violent person and all... You're fucking stupid.

I do know what incel is about. But you don't have the RIGHT to just fuck whoever you want.

Edit: have you ever thought to take a step back and say "Hey, maybe IM the problem. Maybe the reason people don't want to have sex with me is because I'm fucking creepy, awkward, and an asswipe"?

[–]caamib[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

I do know what incel is about.

You haven't shown that at all and shown everything to conclude you don't. You're the one inventing somebody claiming they have a right or that it's just about sex.

If I claimed to know a lot about history and said that WW2 ended in 2002 I wouldn't be taken very seriously, I believe.

The rest of my post simply confirms my views. You can't even comprehend it's about much more than a lack of sex.

This is why advise men to brutally abuse modern Western women - what else do these whores know but sex?

[–]SilentPlanet222 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Wow. You're fucking dense. I'm done, you're fucking brain damaged or something. You have no idea how the world works. Just because abuse HAPPENS doesn't mean it's sought after. That's like saying because you don't get sex, you are pretty much begging not to. You're fucking stupid.

Conclusion: Please do the world a favor and kill yourself. You're a piece of worthless garbage and nobody will miss you. If you defend a mass murderer just because you can relate to him, you're fucking scum.

Please. Die.

[–]caamib[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Just because abuse HAPPENS doesn't mean it's sought after.

And you're saying I'm brain damaged? I am saying it is sought after because modern Western women are vermin that wants to be decapitated, not because it "happens".

That's like saying because you don't get sex, you are pretty much begging not to.

If there would be women who'd give me sex but I continued to want nuns it would be exactly what you described. And modern Western women do exactly that - ALWAYS reject men who wouldn't beat them for men who'd cut them to pieces.

If you defend a mass murderer just because you can relate to him

Oh, please. son. You're defending atrocities like women's suffrage which basically ensure that all good genes go down the drain within a few generations. You can't get worse than that.

I'm done

Holding you to your word, as you're getting kinda boring.

[–]SilentPlanet222 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Lol I don't like him just because he wasn't a minority? Fuck you. And no, the pieces of shit that cut people's heads off deserve to die too. You're fucking stupid. You obviously have no idea how the real world works. You live in this fucking fantasy world where everything fucking revolves around you and your fucking needs.

Trust me, being "violent" isn't sought after at all. You have no fucking idea how the world works.

[–]caamib[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

the pieces of shit that cut people's heads off deserve to die too.

But only if white and male, don't forget that. Or not Asian enough, like ER.

You live in this fucking fantasy world where everything fucking revolves around you and your fucking needs.

What does any of this have to do with your claim that violence isn't sought after? You're making a complete non-sequitur and some dumb accusation.

That is being violent and it's what's sought after since you don't have any problems, just like the fact that you're stupid helps you. You're just proving my points.

[–]SilentPlanet222 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you're going to make general statements like "violence is sought after", going to need some proof of that. Youre fucking dumb. I'm out. I quit. You're fucking dense.

And by the way, no, whether they're white, black, asian, Arabic, or anything like that. Anyone that murders or rapes anyone, man or woman, is a piece of garbage, as is anyone that justifies it.

[–]caamib[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you're going to make general statements like "violence is sought after", going to need some proof of that

Again, you make the same kind of hypocritical demand that several posters before you did. You demand some incredibly rigorous scientific evidence but forget that you have none for your own claims.

And yet you call me dense ? Oh man.

And by the way, no, whether they're white, black, asian, Arabic, or anything like that. Anyone that murders or rapes anyone, man or woman, is a piece of garbage, as is anyone that justifies it.

Well, if that's the case liberals will see you as utter racist scum. And you are a liberal, aren't you?

[–]caamib[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

The thing is, I don't think he even went insane. My point being - was his mental state any different the second before he pulled the trigger? No, of course not.

He did what he rationally could with knowledge he had. Too bad he didn't learn more, though.

[–]hard_to_be_a_god 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ehhh.. I think he was mentally ill because of the way he chose to deal with his problem. Being incel/FA is not a reason to take your problem out on others.

A high degree of half asians are mentally ill (for some reason IDK why, maybe societally induced to some excent?), and I'd imagine the male ones are more prone to having that illness agitated due to not being able to get dates because they look asian-ish.

Anyway I only glanced at his diary when that became public, he seemed reasonably eloquent but he was clearly narcissistic and based on what he did a confirmed nut job.

Just because he probably also would have agreed with theories on lookism or the decline of civilization doesn't mean we have to be associated with him.

[–]caamib[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Frustration produces aggression, which definitely is taking it out on others. It's Psychology 101. I don't see how was his reaction anything but healthy.

In other words, if his reaction were unhealthy he'd go on existing without these crucial things. Which would be sick. If his ancestors chose to do so, he wouldn't exist at all. But since ER was too oversocialized to rape or something he saw no way out and did what was rational in terms of what he knew.

[–]hard_to_be_a_god 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was okay looking, had hollywood connections through his dad, and had a degree of wealth (BMW - maybe not full access to parents wealth, but I'm sure they'd help him out with anything he needed to do), in good health physically, he could have made it but chose the moron option.

[–]caamib[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

We absolutely do have to be associated with him. I'd never want anybody to think one should make peace with incel living death.

[–]shivering 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Aren't you not even from America? Pretty bold claims about people from California.

[–]caamib[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bold claims? It's obvious to any rational people in America. Of course, since 99 percent of Americans are demented scum they can't recognize they're evil and stupid.

[–]Jhesus_Monkey -2ポイント-1ポイント  (8子コメント)

depression could have been alleviated by getting a wife.

That's not how depression works.

[–]caamib[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

And how does situational depression work ? Also, I'm not saying he'd be all cheerful the next day. But it would basically solve the main need any healthy male has in life - getting a wife and family.

[–]somehaizi 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Wrong because he wouldn't know how to take care of them. He'd want sex on demand(not how women work), and being as narcissistic as he was, he would probably end up forcing his wife because he deserved sex from her. Which would probably end in a divorce and land him at square one. Except this time he's had a taste of what sex is like and he'd probably be even more desperate to get it back. He should have just went to an escort.

[–]caamib[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't think you understand some things. You constantly go on about how he couldn't keep a modern Western woman, it seems.

But you miss how modern Western women work. Modern Western women like being raped and hate consent.

Roman women in Republican times were civilized and would never stand for abuse, even the lower plebs.

Modern Western women like retarded thugs who rape and maim them, and with modern Western women severe, bloody abuse is a sine qua non- something that is absolutely needed.

They are attracted to unemployed drug dealers and murderers with rap sheets as big as their arm. A man who is intelligent and decent is utter scum to them.

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    [–]caamib[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I don't think a person who writes the kind of shit you do is intelligent.

    You don't back up your claims either aside from anectodal evidence. Neither of us have some studies to back up much of what we're saying (in the end, anybody making such a hypothesis would be torn to shreds in the feminist West). Yet you hypocritically ask me for such evidence for my claims when you don't have any evidence of yours.

    Btw, you're not intelligent, lol. You've just been torn to shreds here. The kind of nonsense you wrote there isn't what an intelligent person writes. Reading comprehension is one of the things that make a person intelligent. From what I've seen so far, you have none.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Truecels/comments/48242c/incels_who_are_employed_are_worthless_scum_to/d0kr75v

    [–]CheesyFedora 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    There is an ongoing 75 year old Harvard study that shows that having positive relationships, especially romantic ones, is the main deciding factor for happiness. So actually that's exactly how it works.

    [–]caamib[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    But saying this simple truth isn't convenient to liberals, who are demented scum that believes white men should slave away for sacred classes.