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[–]AirIndex 79ポイント80ポイント  (13子コメント)

I think you're spot on, apart from the bit about Rooney reminding you of Scholes. Scholes' greatest strength was his intelligence. He played two or three steps ahead of everybody else, whereas Rooney seems to only decide what he's going to do once the ball is at his feet. Scholes is 100 times the midfielder Rooney will ever be.

We had Rooney and Fletcher in midfield yesterday, and neither of them are particularly incisive with their passing and they're both far too pedestrian in their movement. Sure, Rooney can ping 40 yarders out to the right wing with his eyes closed, but he's unbelievably predictable in his passing, he's too slow when he's on the ball and he constantly wants everything to feet - in front of their midfield. As for Fletcher, he has this utterly pathetic habit of running with the ball towards the player he's intending on passing to and waiting until he's about five yards away from them before playing the pass. By the time he's got close enough so that he feels comfortable enough to play the pass, the opposition has shut off any angles there may have been. I noticed this a few times yesterday. Herrera, however, plays in one or two touches and as soon as he has played his pass, he moves to find space - often beyond their midfield line. Players like him, who are so good at finding space and creating overloads in certain areas of the pitch, are constantly giving defenders decisions to make about whether they go with him, leave him or pass him on to somebody else, and it's when defenders are forced to make these decisions that space opens up. I think a performance like yesterday only serves to highlight how important Herrera is for our midfield.

[–]ParkerZAYoung 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great post. Spot on about Herrera, even though we've done relatively well without him for the most part, he adds another dimension to our attack, and allows us to play more centrally, as opposed to always giving it to the wingers. He's very good at manipulating space and making deft passes, Spanish midfielders in general are excellent at this. Cleverley was also good at this, but was lacking in other areas of his game. Herrera plays like a Kagawa-Cleverley (or the player Cleverley had potential to be) hybrid.

He's fast becoming my favourite buy, and I feel he can be even more influential than Di Maria. DM is undoubtedly world-class, but he's the type of player you'd expect to making lung-bursting runs from midfield, creating chanced out of nothing. Herrera's the player that will help you control the midfield.

[–][deleted] 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

I don't think Rooney used to be this slow and predictable. What the hell happened to him?

[–]OhHayJohn 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

His game has changed. He isn't as raw as he was as a young lad - due to loss of acceleration maybe? natural growth - and is now more dependable in terms of taking the right options. It means that he sometimes can seem a bit static and predictable but on the upside Rooney rarely makes the 'wrong' choices (though sometimes his tools lets him down). In the first place too Wayne was never a natural dribbler (he relied on pace/power) and never an eye of the needle passer (Like Silva etc, though his passes can be really excellent).

[–]JuanRiquelme 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's been like this for years.

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Regarding your first remark about Rooney deciding what to do when ball is at his feet. For his Liverpool goal he seemed to hang back a bit and anticipate the chance for the ball to come into the middle. Rather than occupy the space asap, he waited, slowly jogging toward goal. As the play developed he sprinted into the space to receive the ball. Made his marker look lazy.

So I think this is an example of him thinking a few steps ahead and setting himself up for goal. Maybe your point was more about setting up goals.

[–]OhHayJohn 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can;t go into this too much, but I think we should also note that Villa set up yesterday to soak up pressure. They did a mighty job of falling back and narrowing the space. We lacked pace and drive - Mata and Rooney didn't bring the game forward enough for me - and our final ball was poor, but some credit must go to Villa who kept a great (for them) shape and had a midfield eager to run and run.

[–]Sensur10Nani 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

What I see time and time again is the refusal to go for the risky through pass when one of our forwards does an offensive run through their defensive line. Sometimes the gaps are enormous but the player with the ball possession 9/10 times decide to pass it to the side or back and just kills the the tempo.

Only Mata is the player that occasionally goes for that through pass, everybody else just passes to players with their backs against the opponent's defensive line. No chance taking. No risk in our passing style. Makes me yell at the screen sometimes.

[–]Sabu113Nani 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sometimes we have some super frustrating periods of play bringing the ball up to Mata. He's just begging to recieve it to his feet and pull a turn but the defensive midfielder sees him and hesitates befre passing to the side.

[–]MrBenLadAnder the Saviour[S] 91ポイント92ポイント  (30子コメント)

Can I ask why everyone is downvoting? Been a good contributor on here for a while now, and was simply asking for opinion, think it's a bit disrespectful to be honest, as I thought we could discuss that kind of stuff here. If you have a problem, tell me, and then I can see why

[–]idratherwalkalone 113ポイント114ポイント  (3子コメント)

Because there are some wankers in this sub. Fuck em.

[–]TimmyBashSchweinsteiger 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah mate. Fuck em. Love the question and thought out opinion. I agree partially as I don't think Rooney is creative enough from midfield.

[–]idratherwalkalone 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's not a midfielder is he but I suppose he helps out when we are stuck.

[–]mannahmannahScholes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

With Rooney's contract, we're so over-committed to him that he'll have to take over the Scholes role. I completely agree that we need more creative and faster build-up play. The build-up is too slow with Fellaini and Fletcher, and to Rooney to an extent. But with Rooney now being captain, he'll basically always be in the lineup, even though guys like Herrera, Wilson, and Mata should be in most often for their creativity, quickness, and vision.

[–]adnanjanuzajj 20ポイント21ポイント  (19子コメント)

Real talk...there's no need to make comments regarding downvotes. Honestly it sounds a tad childish, especially when the word 'disrespectful' is thrown around (this is an internet forum, who cares!)

With regard to your post, while I do think our creativity is a problem, I honestly didn't see too much playing around Villa's box yesterday. I know we watched the same game, but to me it seemed that we were again relying on crosses as our main outlet (a la Moyes). This isn't necessarily a bad thing (we scored from a cross), but it made our play far too predictable.

Also, I do not at all think we should try the Barca approach. Barcelona's lack of a world class no. 9 was a key reason as to why they used the formation with the false 9. They also had players who were fine tuned to fit that style of play. Carrick, Herrera and Mata are great but their passing is just not that crisp and refined (especially the latter two) - this isn't a slight against our players, rather it's a compliment to how great Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets are at their jobs. Further, I think that since we have 3 world class strikers in our team, we need to incorporate them. Barca don't have a world class no. 9 so they played with a false 9 - a position much more suited for their style of play.

[–]fpvmtimbdbo 33ポイント34ポイント  (7子コメント)

Downvoting is a problem because it hides the visibility of good posts and leads to the same old circlejerking. OP isn't whining because of karma, he's complaining because he wants some real discussion on this subreddit. Fuck him for wanting that, right?

[–]adnanjanuzajj -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

when did i say he was whining because of karma? i just think its unnecessary complaining about downvotes and calling it 'disrespectful'...good posts will receive attention without those kind of comments. case in point - this thread right here

[–]fpvmtimbdbo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

As I've already explained, downvoting is a major problem on Reddit. And he finds it disrespectful that people are downvoting completely legitimate posts which actually serve the essence of this subreddit - to facilitate discussion.

[–]ETI712 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Barcas out and out strikers since 2007 are, Eto'o, Henry, Zlatan, and David Villa...To say that Barca didn't have a world class number 9 is a load of shit. They switched to a false 9 in a moment of tactical genius by Pep.

[–]adnanjanuzajj 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

fair point. let me rephrase what I mean to say..this iteration of Barca cannot be emulated with the players we currently have

[–]isyourlisteningbrokeSaha 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Henry and Villa rarely played as out and out strikers and Eto'o even made way to the left for Ronaldinho/Messi. You can have a world class no. 9 on your books, but if you're not playing them as one, then you don't really have one.

[–][deleted] 6ポイント7ポイント  (7子コメント)

Real talk...there's no need to make comments regarding downvotes

Except that on this subreddit people downvote when players are criticised, and upvote photos of hats they received in the post. In other words they don't vote based on quality, and it often hides good content.

I sort threads by controversy because it means you get to see more than just the HERE'S A PHOTO OF ALL OUR SPANISH PLAYERS TOGETHER upvote brigade.

(Also please don't use the phrase "real talk". You're a representative of Manchester United's supporter base, and talking like a thirteen year old kid from Detroit makes us all look like twats.)

[–]isyourlisteningbrokeSaha 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

(Also please don't use the phrase "real talk". You're a representative of Manchester United's supporter base, and talking like a thirteen year old kid from Detroit makes us all look like twats.)

For every person who reads that, there's another on Facebook or Instagram.

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm like the guy walking along the beach throwing as many stranded starfishes as he can back into the water.

[–]isyourlisteningbrokeSaha 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But what if they want to be on land you heartless bastard?

[–]YoungJumpWazza -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Way to be condescending.

[–]adnanjanuzajj -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

good for you man. Some advice if you want it..dont take your role as a 'representative of Man Utd's supporter base' that seriously. If a phrase like that peeves you off this much you gotta have a long hard look at yourself buddy

[–]tammodiruud van nistelrooy tra la la la la 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a subreddit grows the content generally get's more low brow (take /r/soccer)

Self posts get downvoted so that images/gifs/tweets get frontpaged quicker.

[–]JuanRiquelme 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The real problem is the total lack of pace in the side. The only player we have of genuine attacking quality with pace is Di Maria. The only player we have of genuine attacking quality who can beat a man is Di Maria.

Without those two qualities no matter how good you are you'll always create very little because you've no one to commit players and pull them out of position forcing others to cover and therefore open up space to exploit.

You can talk about Barcelona all you like but they still had Messi/Henry/Eto'o or Messi/Pedro/Villa bringing genuine electrifying pace as well as Messi/Iniesta able to consistently go past players.

You don't win fuck all without pace and players who can beat a man.

[–]budget03Vidić 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

People like to get butthurt if you say something negative about a player they like. don't take it personally

[–]LetstalkaboutsaxaYoung 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're never going to please everyone, or have them all agree. But for what it's worth, I appreciate your analysis a lot

[–]RedJ91Vidić 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Its still a fine balance between strength and creativity. Barca always had a technically gifted holding midfielder in the form of Yaya Toure/Busquets in their setup. In fact all the top teams today have at least one. Toure at City, Matic at Chelsea, Alonso/Schweinsteiger at Bayern.

This is one area where we are severly lacking at the moment. Carrick can play there but he isn't as strong at breaking up play as the players mentioned above. Rooney is filling in but he is a striker first and foremost. Fellaini is a destroyer but lacks the technical skills.

Its also probably why Strootman has been mentioned a lot. On paper, he ought to be our saviour, our messiah. Only time will tell though.

[–]SuperfyVan Persie 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Toure isn't a holding player but a box to box midfielder really though.

Fellaini is sort of similar but with even less technical ability.

Carrick is the closest to Busquets we have but is not comfortable under pressure at times compared to Busquets.

Herrera is a great runner/box to box guy and honestly, him, Carrick and Di Maria would be great in a trio in the midfield because they have a lot of mobility and can link up as well as track their men/tackle. Replace Di Maria with Rooney as needed or Mata if not much pressing is going against us because Mata is the weakest midfielder we have in terms of strength and he's absolutely useless when against stronger guys. Fellaini seems to be our best tackler in midfield while Herrera is good but needs a bit more strength to stake a regular claim over Fellaini in more games.

Herrera can play as the creator too.

We absolutely need Carrick or Blind there as Fletcher doesn't cut it at all as a holding midfielder who needs to recycle the ball and start plays. Poor positioning and passing cause slow build up plays and break down in attacks.

[–]ludicrousattainmentTake a chill pill 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agree with your post and do you guys think that Young crossing the ball numerous times reminded of last season's game against Fulham? It wasn't as terrible but it signals the weakness of our midfield in creating chances.

When Carrick switch his position into the midfield, our attacking was so much better. RVP nearly scored when he attempted that bicycle kick.

I wasnt too upset and frustrated. Seeing Falcao scored made me happy. Fletcher is a great player but during that game, he attempted too many passes to the defence.

I really wish all of out midfield are back from their injuries especially Herrera.

[–]rift9Fellaini 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fletcher is just passed it, he was a squad player to begin with and the illness has ruined his career. His passing/dribbling was never man utd level, he was great on breaking up play and re-distributing to our better ball players with his harassment and work rate. But, people still have this romantic view that we should keep a player till he retires at 37 and hail him for the commitment to the club.

He is passed it and i am hoping he retires with grace soon and joins our coaching staff where he would be great.

If he can turn it around that's awesome but he was never the graceful passer or runner of the ball like the rest of the squad, his style of play hasn't translated after injury.

As for strength vs Creativity, it depends on the team we're versing. You can get away with more grit and hard man tackling in the EPL compared to the Spanish league. Its why you see Mata struggle vs a big stature team like West Ham, he gets bullied off the ball.

[–]isyourlisteningbrokeSaha 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

West Ham aren't exactly as physical a team as you're making out.

[–]s1ayanDi Maria 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think we were just too defensive which led to a lack of penetration, there's no need to have fletch in the team when we have Carrick but when our main cm's are injured there's not a lot we can do

[–]ZalgologistManchester United 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It depends on the opposition. I agree that we would have benefitted from the midfield 3 you described but it wasn't an option yesterday, the relevant players just weren't fit enough for it. You need strength in a came to keep possession and in fairness the team did that. Had we the right balance of creativity in attack we would have scored more but with Herrera injured and Di Maria in the late stages of recovery LVG put out the best lineup that was available to him.

[–]badgarok725Boss 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the problem yesterday was that our main creative force was supposed to be Mata, but whenever he got the ball he was immediately pushed back 10 yards or more.

Rooney is incredible, but he's not exactly a creative midfielder. Yesterday it was obvious we were missing Herrera or Di Maria

[–]FalkenkameratenScholes 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's also the argument that Carrick is needed as a playmaker in midfield and not in defence. I hope van Gaal is aware of this now. We wasted an entire half of football playing ten to twenty meters further down the pitch than needed had blackett started this game in place of Fletcher.

This directly hurt our creativity in the final third seeing as to reach a specific target there would always need to be two passes where one should have been sufficent, or a 30 meter homing missile where a defence splitting through ball or quick combination play should be the prefered moves when dealing with tightly knit defenders. Mata suffered the most in this instance as the ball would never reach him, he found himself in good positions high up the pitch when the ball was being aimlessly shuffled in midfield and defence, making his contributions amount to nought. We saw Mata drop deep a lot when he first arrived at Man Utd having to pick the ball up in midfield with his back against the opposition goal making simple backpasses that were'nt contributing to the attacking play, yesterday it seemed as he had been told to stay up the pitch and wait to be fed from midfield, which is a good thing when you have an intelligent playmaker sitting in midfield. However this was not the case in the first half, and i think Fletcher suffered more than he had to because of this as well. I do not deem Fletcher to be good enough for Man Utd and I think he will be sold sooner rather than later, but he would have benefited from having some sort of security directly behind him letting him feed balls to Carrick and being a cog for passing in front of the Villa defence as part of a three in midfield sort of like Fellaini. Too much pressure was put on him yesterday to be a quick pass-and-move type of midfielder, which he is not.

We missed Herrera bad for this game. He could've potentially pushed our line higher in the first half, released players in behind at the right moments, link up with Mata or provide the movement to displace Villa defenders, we see a mobile Willian do that kind of movement for Chelsea and it works wonders when they have Ivanovic on the overlap. I also wrote pre-match on how he would be quick enough in his pressing to break up counter attacking play and I spotted a couple of instances yesterday where Fletcher struggled to keep up with and put pressure on Villa midfielders, to no surprise really.

Strenght vs. Creativity, strenght AND creativity rather. Would you say Chelsea is a weak team? I would not. Would you say they are not creative? I would not. Same goes for Real Madrid, same goes for Bayern Munich, PSG and to some extent Barcelona. It is always a question of balance in the team, and who you are facing. There is a difference from Swansea to Aston Villa. Against Swansea you want Fellaini in your team, he can win the ball in midfield and break up play, boss playmakers off the ball and put us on the counter, be a defensive security against a high pressing and passing side. Against Aston Villa who sit back and defend you want Herrera who can create space and be secure in keeping possession and be quick enough to prevent counter attacks by blocking passing lanes high up the pitch if he were to miss a pass (which is how Barcelona counter opposition attacking moves). The difference from Man Utd to say Bayern Munich is there is no Schweinsteiger who can do both, or Toni Kroos in Real Madrid who can do both, or Busquets who can do both. I do firmly believe that Herrera will elevate his defensive play under van Gaal and playing in the Premier League, but I still would want a player like Strootman sitting behind or beside him who can do both attacking and defending. Something like the pairing of Carrick and Scholes.

Mata, Falcao, van Persie, di Maria, Rooney these are our options in the final third, if you can not get them to score goals, or be creative, the problem is most likely behind them, as it was yesterday.

Each part of the team enables the next.

But not to worry, injuries and illness will not hamper us forever. Balance will be restored, and Aston Villa will loose at Villa park yet again.

[–]HuzaifaElahiBig Boy Basti 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even though we seem to compensate and try to get better defensively, we still end up being dreadful defensively and have to rely on Lord De Gea. At least the creative diamond offered us a proper fluid attack.

Could we ever try out for instance a Carrick, Di Maira, Hererra, Mata midfield?

I feel like the first three you've mentioned are for sure starters and our best player's in their position. Mata, even from a creative point of view, has been lackluster, and hasn't compensated for his lack of defensive contribution, with much substance going forward. I think Rooney needs to be at No.10 - yes I think he is best used as a striker but with Falcao and RVP, I think the squad would benefit more from him at No.10 to provide a more physical presence without forsaking some creative contribution. Rooney needs to run at the opponents more often imo instead of shifting the ball out wide with predictable, albeit often inch perfect, passes.

In general we need to produce more down the middle, string together passes, spot the subtle runs of RVP and Falcao, and provide some cutting edge penetration and tenacity in midfield.

I think Carrick, Herrera, Rooney and Di Maria as a midfield four is our ideal midfield.

We also need more pace and I think Di Maria's return will help.

With Fletcher, I felt like our transition from defense to attack was brutally slow, but I think Herrera helps us here MASSIVELY.

[–]therosepetal 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think we lacked a lot of creativity yesterday. We had so much ball possession in the first half but didn't do anything with it. And that's something that goes againt LVG's philosophy. He thinks it's important what you're doing when you have ball possession. Mata is our most creative player but when he's not in form, we just lack creativity. Especially when Di Maria is also on the bench & Herrera injured. I don't think Rooney was bad yesterday, but he had to do a lot of defending because Fletcher didn't do that. I would love to see us use 4-4-2 next time when hopefully Smalling/Rojo/Shaw/Blind/Herrera are back. That way we play so much better and the defence is also much better than in a 5-3-2 line-up

[–]fletch626 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unfortunately I feel this might have been one of Fletcher's last games for united. The play is evolving forward, and he isn't adapting to it. His creativity is lacking, and the pace is gone.

[–]berzerkerzCarrick 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

RVP hasn't played for most of the season and doesn't have a lot left in him ,

Falcao has been injured, has played okay and should improve with a more steady run of games

Di Maria could have done better and hes been injured, but he'll improve.

Herrera has been excellent when fit, should be back soon.

Rooney took some time to start but has been scoring and setting up others consistently (like yesterday for RVP).

There have been a lot of problems, but we had done okay. LVG just had to fuck with the system this time, playing Fletcher in the middle and pulling Rooney back, who did good with his passing but because he doesn't take off fast he has a lot of trouble dribbling past players, and you kind of always need at least 1 player like that which with Rooney + Fletcher, we don't have. He's good in his main role, let him play the ten.

So I'm not too worried creativity in midfield. One thing I don't like is that Rooney, RVP, Falcao are near 30 or over it, Wilson needs to improve a lot. Also, a lot of the times this season too often a single player will take a game upon themselves a bit too much, dribbling past too many players or shooting from nowhere into nowhere. Its usually Di Maria, RVP, or Wilson, so we can use less of that.

[–]rilynn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would love to see him drop back on the strength side more, and give a midfield of Di Maria, Hererra and Mata.

I'd like to see this also, honestly. Herrera can get stuck into tackles, more so than Mata and Di Maria, who are pretty lightweight. But against opposition with a more physical midfield, Herrera is bound to lose out given his tiny frame so we won't dominate midfield as much.

The best way to accommodate these three midfield players (and have an attacking 3 of RvP, Falcao and Rooney), is that we play an enforcer-type midfielder right behind the mid 3. Blind is capable of that, to an extent. If we sign Strootman in the near future, that will work also. The flaw though, in this setup is that we are looking again at a back 3, which I highly dislike.

The formation will be something like this: a 3-1-3-3. Essentially, this gives the guy in the 'hole' - either Mata or Rooney - freedom to roam about the pitch and be the creative force in the squad. But we're bound to give away more goals with a back 3 this way, than with a flat back 4.

[–]Tip0ftheicebergThe White Pele 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm my opinion what hurt us was that are tempo was way too slow it allowed Villa enough time to stack their box with players. When that happens you can only hope to cross the ball in and get lucky or start taking long shots.

[–]nrahul1107The Boy Who Can Do Anything 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I completely agree on your Rooney point about his predictability, but he has the ability to be that creative player; he had that one first time pass to RVP that he should have scored from. But I do agree and I would love to see that midfield, especially at home and in games we should be winning.

[–]grad14uc 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fletcher plays one half of a game and everyone expects miracles. Carrick plays quite identically to him; remember the running joke that Carrick always plays backwards? Fact of the matter is that while both players are not as flashy, they are consistent and offer stability in the midfield.

It doesn't help when Mata is playing piss poor, and Rooney is along side you in the middle. While he does have the best long ball pass on the team, he is too slow in the middle and not the best in tight spaces.

I just hate when everyone likes to dump the blame on one player when in reality the whole team played poor, with the exception of Young and debatably Valencia.

[–]oregonianrager 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's hard to have creativity and all this, when noone seems to be able to stay fucking healthy enough to have any sort of cohesion, period. The fact we are anywhere right now, is a testament to LVG's and probably Giggs' knowledge of players and where they can play, and do the job. FFS we have probably one of the most expensive attacking fronts in the league, but we just can't get a solid run of play. I love we have the options of Mata and Ander for support, but we need the stars to get a run of play together and start striking fear into teams.

[–]baby_bomb_squad 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This squad just needs to be more decisive. Its like they want to create the perfect goal all the time instead of taking chances. Possession is one thing but there has to be an outlet for it. Its like LVG's desire to keep possession and not give up the ball cheaply is negatively effecting our scoring because no one wants to take that chance and give the ball away cheaply.

Barca had Messi that was the difference his job was to score the goals without him Barca were toothless. LVG needs to tell one of our strikers to just concentrate on offensive output and leave the pressing and tracking back to everyone else.

[–]atxy89Kagawa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We need Herrera in midfield. Not Fellaini, not Fletcher. Our midfield has been plagued with this problem for the past few seasons. We finally have the personnel, just got to play them.

[–]G_Morgan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the problem with Fletcher isn't that he wants to play the game slow but that his technical limitations force him to. Regardless against Villa it was clear we were taking too many touches on the ball. Everyone has to be sharp to play this style otherwise the one player will slow the play down enough that every subsequent pass is made under pressure.

We are missing Blind or Carrick in midfield more than anyone IMO. They consistently give players options.

[–]Kael9 -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

No top side has played with two strikers for years, the system is completely out of date. Let alone, mind, Utd playing three yesterday against Villa.

Falcao was a stupid signing and it is rich for LVG to hark on about the squad he inherited being unbalanced when the signing of Falcao has only made the problem worse, let alone trying to fit in an averagely performing Wilson into the side.

Rooney cannot play CM because his sense of positioning and anticipation is poor - but there is a huge problem now because of his importance to the squad (Moyes contract, LVG making him captain). His workrate is overrated when he spends 99% of the game out of position, clogging the midfield and removing an outlet for a pass - this also hurts RVP because he drops back into the '10' role to get the ball to his feet.

Either RVP or Rooney needs to be dropped, Falcao should not be bought under any circumstances. Mata needs to be trusted behind the strikers and allowed to demonstrate his creativity - he may go slightly missing in big games, admittedly, but there was a reason he was Chelsea's poty two seasons in a row.

With the signing of one or two wide players (Reus, Cuadrado, Bale?) the team would be in a far better shape. Crocked players like Rafael need to be replaced, or at least, backups signed so we aren't forced into playing wingers at fullback positions.

[–]goodguy1994it's Rooneyyy, it's inevitable. some things are meant to be 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, apparently you know better than three of the most experienced managers of modern football. There's a reason all the top managers and players praise him and put him in their team, because he is so good, clogging the midfield? Lol. He stopped countless counter attacks, he's one of the fastest attackers in the league, total team player. And Mata just isn't Silva, I love Mata and I would be terribly sad to see him leave, but he just wont fit. Sure we'll score a lot, we'll concede even more, you cant put him in for set pieces, he's not fast, theres a reason mourinho sold him, we can clearly see why.

[–]Exwind 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, starting to get past the honeymoon period now and see why Mou sold him.

[–]Kael9 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You mean the manager that prepared to get rid of Rooney before leaving the club? He's put into the team because Utd/England have no alternative, Kagawa was awful and the England team is filled with rejects.

He clogs the midfield by dropping back between the CMs, removing the option for a pass - that is why there is such a disjoint in the passing game of this Utd squad, they go CB > DM/CM > CB, repeat ad nauseam.

Would Rooney get into any of the top sides in the world? Real, Bayern, Barca, Chelsea, City, PSG?

The problem with Rooney is he has no proper position, he lacks any sort of discipline and simply drifts to the ball. People who think that Rooney can evolve like a Pirlo, Giggs and become a decent-CM later in his career are completely deluded, his game just doesn't suit that at all.

LVG isn't Mourinho, they have very different systems and ways of playing the game. Jose's blueprint is to build a defensive, counterattacking team with pace. It's obvious that Mata isn't that sort of player, but that doesn't mean he can't be useful to us. If we have him surrounded by a solid/energetic CM (Herrera) and a powerful DM (in the Toure, Matic mold) he'd be very effective. Hell, I'd be comfortable with him starting out wide left, as long as we play to his strengths.

[–]goodguy1994it's Rooneyyy, it's inevitable. some things are meant to be 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rooney will easily get into real Madrid and city and Chelsea too. And he'll destroy defences because he only has to concentrate about scoring, Rooney is better than dzeko,jovetic,also probably better than benzema. Yes he drops back because after Valencia's injury and nani's drop in form, there were no good wingers at united to give him service, our midfield was the worst, so naturally he had to drop back to disrupt the opposition's shape. And who are you kidding, if van gaal thinks Rooney doesn't fit his plans, Rooney would be off now. Xavi himself said Rooney would be the one British player who would have started for barca during pep's reign, mourinho chased him like a mad dog last season, and honestly if he had played for Chelsea they would have won the title last season, he basically has carried us since Ronaldo left barring 12/13. 09/10,10/11,11/12,13/14 he was arguably our best player. And this season when di Maria has been there on the field along with Rooney, Rooney wasn't dropping that deep, and they have a fantastic partnership going.

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    [–]Kael9 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I disagree, I think LVG's comments were more in line with his comments on specialists lately, wanting players to perform in more than one position. It's criminal that a squad of our value has no proper RB (Rafael is too injury-prone) and no depth in the wide areas. To an extent I agree with those like Zaha, Nani needing immediate and expensive replacement too.

    I'd rather see Mata - RVP in a 4-4-1-1 personally, but obviously that'll require us having some luck in terms of injuries for once this season.

    I think we'll still be lagging behind Chelsea for the foreseeable future, City I think will be struggling with their aged squad and FFP.

    Part of the history of this club is pace and creativity in wide areas and I'd love to see us return to that. I'm not saying we need a rigid 4-4-2, but I'm hoping that LVG will purchase the players necessary to get us playing his favored 4-3-3. That'll require significant investment and dropping/selling favoured players (potentially Mata, RVP or Rooney) but I think long term having a proper structure will pay off endlessly.

    [–]SyndeyC 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Mata just isn't working out in this 10 role in the formation we played yesterday. He offered absolutely nothing to us - he got knocked off the ball easily, he made no attempts at forward passes to our strikers. All he did was put to the ball to the side for Young/Valencia to cross. Might as well put Fellaini there to do that because at least Fellaini can hold the ball up and provide an aerial threat.

    It's obviously not due to ability but i'm not sure why Mata isn't even attempting forward passes.

    I also think Rooney in midfield is terrible - all he does is ping passes out wide with no rhyme or reason. When Scholes did it, there was a point to it and he would also mix it up but Rooney plays like a robot who's told to put it out wide every chance he can. I would like to see Rooney play as the forward that he should be and limit his movement a little.

    A midfield of any combination of Fellaini/Carrick with Herrera/Di Maria/Mata would offer much more creativity while retaining physicality and defensive quality.

    [–]NGU-BenSchweinsteiger -2ポイント-1ポイント  (7子コメント)

    A Di Maria, Mata and Herrera midfield? Yeah right. This isn't a pussy league, those three will get mowed down to shreds. They're just physical enough to survive over there.

    I do agree though, we were slow and boring, the same under Moyes. I think, and this might be unpopular, I think we should scrap signing a centre back. There just isn't good enough defender on the market we could buy right now and he'd fit in perfectly. I think we need another midfielder or a winger with some flair and creativity. Juan Cuadrado would be perfect, he's a great player and relatively unknown (which means no interest from RM). Di Maria and Cuadrado on the wings and we could smash through any team.

    [–]b0ngManchester United 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Herrera not physical enough? That's simply not true.

    [–]Kael9 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Di Maria is much better as CM

    [–]emtheory09Herrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Scrap trying for a possibly available Hummells? I'm sorry but neglecting the position with the most need would be insane. A winger would be a nice bonus but we absolutely need one solid reliable defender (a la Vidic). Next we should focus on a world class holding midfielder like Strootman, then go for a right sided winger or inside forward.

    [–]NGU-BenSchweinsteiger 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Have you seen Dortmund this year? I don't trust Hummel's at all anymore. They're bottom of the fucking league.

    [–]emtheory09Herrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Then what about trying for Varane who seems discontented with being left out (for the most part) of Real Madrid?

    [–]chris2684Carrick 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I de much rather have Godin then Hummels or Varane

    [–]emtheory09Herrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well there's your CB signing. I think Varane will be great in the future though. If we could snatch him that would be a fantastic grab IMO.

    [–]Twitrec 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Mata has been shit why is everyone so desperate to keep playing him?