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[–]TheMer0vingian 444ポイント445ポイント  (119子コメント)

My god, I forgot how insane mobile phone plan prices have gotten in Canada, what a joke. I have been living in Australia for the last 3 years and I pay $40/month here for 10gb data, unlimited text, unlimited calls nationwide...

[–]AnticPosition 155ポイント156ポイント  (30子コメント)

I'm not even gunna tell you what I pay in China...

But then, I'm living in China, so..

[–]rtfminc 32ポイント33ポイント  (4子コメント)

I've been in EU for a year, probably heading back to Canada soon. Its going to be painful. I Pay about 18euro for: 5GB data (unlimited weekends), unlimited France calls and txts, unlimited calls to USA/Canada/China and unlimited to landlines in 120 other countries. For a couple of more euros I can get 20GB. We are getting shafted in Canada.

[–]Nextasy 89ポイント90ポイント  (49子コメント)

Thank god for WIND here in Ontario. 40$/no unlimited everything, data throttled at 4gigs. Sure service isn't great in small towns but I don't really go there anyway

[–]BrippingTalls 39ポイント40ポイント  (4子コメント)

That's still more expensive than what most other countries pay for services that actually work everywhere.

I feel like wind is the "tallest dwarf" of the Canadian cell phone industry. Every time there is a discussion about how bad the state off affairs is for telecommunications is in Canada somebody chimes in with "oh yeah but wind is kind of cheap"... But in reality it's just another excellent example of why people should be outraged.

You shouldn't have to sacrifice something as vital to telecommunication as coverage to get into a price range so mediocre.

[–]Nextasy [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Oh I'm not saying it holds up to other countries standards.... Just that its miles cheaper than anything else around

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    [–]lalafied 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It used to be $35/month and data got throttled at 5gigs. The new plan is still pretty good though.

    [–]TooSmooth 25ポイント26ポイント  (14子コメント)

    I'm on wind, but the data speeds are not even close

    [–]Nextasy 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

    It's good enough for me, in fact, in the past I've even tethered my xbox and gamed on it

    [–]onyxrecon008 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Gaming actually doesn't use that much data unless you are downloading something. The important thing is ping (if you are playing multiplayer)

    [–]Skillbo_Baggins 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

    That's true, but not really relevant because he's specifically talking about the speeds and not the amount of data.

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      [–]csampson 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I've streamed NHL games/videos/content no problem. H+ is still a 3megabit connection which handles compressed HD video just fine.

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        [–]boostedjoose 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

        service isn't great in small towns

        You spelled non-existent wrong.

        There is literally no WIND Home service in small towns, and you're paying 10c/min 10c/outbound text, which is far from cost effective.

        [–]nzwaspCanada 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Also on wind in calgary. In my basement I'm wind away....

        [–]boringoldcookie 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

        In the basement, a 3 minute radius around my house, if I walk 15 minutes south (but it picks back up if I continue south for 5 minutes more), inside nearly all university buildings around the city, random pockets downtown.

        [–]nzwaspCanada 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

        im working at the university of calgary and we have many large thick concrete buildings here including a underground passage way that connects the buildings and I have almost no problems with wind. I can talk on the phone for short amounts of time, longer the call the more likelihood that the call will drop though.

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          [–]Azanri 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I was going to get wind in Alberta but the problem is if you ever go outside Calgary you are stuck paying roaming fees. That's probably fine for most people but I have family outside the city so my plan would end up being pretty pricy by the end of the month.

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            [–]GV18 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I'm in the UK now, I get 2000 network minutes, 600 non-network minutes, unlimited texts and unlimited data (actually unlimited, no throttling, 194GB used since January) for £20 (~36CAD, ~37AUD, ~28USD). I can't believe how bad some rates are elsewhere.

            [–]BrippingTalls 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Don't forget, you never get charged for anything incoming in Australia, or that services like caller ID, voicemail, etc are all just part of the deal instead of being nickel and dimed for them.

            The prices here are all ~$5 to $15 below what you end up paying after you've tacked on the other essential "add on" services you need.

            Also, the price you're quoting INCLUDE tax in Australia, you need to add another ~15% to these Canadian prices.

            Just wanted to give our Canadian friend more context on exactly how hard they're getting fucked.

            [–]no_more_my_real_name 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Caller id surcharge is fucking insane

            [–]Matt872000 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

            I pay about 67$ a month for my phone (S5 on 2 year payment plan), unlimited LTE data, unlimited texts, 500 minutes of calling, and mobile TV (including Sky Sports and all of the Korean sports channels, movie channels, etc.),

            This IS Korea, one of the most connected countries on the planet, but still...

            [–]Sullitude 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

            That's very unusual to have limited calling minutes, any idea why that is? Phone calls are relatively "cheap" for telcos to provide, which is why virtually all Canadian plans offer unlimited minutes.

            [–]no_more_my_real_name 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Unlimited calling is a very North American thing. People abroad nowadays simply use voip service.

            [–]Jiecut 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Possibly so that they can sell another plan for more money.

            [–]skinrust 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

            What's their international like? Because if it's cheaper... Hello Australian number!!

            [–]vagijn 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            10 Euro... 1000 MB/minutes/texts (either of those from the same bundle) per month. (The Netherlands, sim only so bring your own phone.)

            Seeing almost nobody texts here (all Whatsapp) that's plenty of data. And if not, you can top up for 5 euro / 500 MB. Repeatedly, if necessary. Or one can take a bigger bundle, 15 euro will get you 2000 MB.

            Source: https://www.hollandsnieuwe.nl/sim-only
            (It's a 100% Vodafone owned provider, Vodafone network too.)

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              [–]Poomee 107ポイント108ポイント  (12子コメント)

              The funny thing is, data has gotten cheaper to toss around, so this is all bullshit. I pay $60, but that's 6GB data cap, unlimited text, unlimited Canada wide calling, visual voicemail, call display through Rogers. It's a 3 year old plan though. So why, if data is cheaper to send than ever, is a 3 year old 6GB data cap plan the same price as an otherwise identical plan save 1GB instead of 6GB.

              The point of capitalism is that you stay alive in the market by being the most innovative and competitive. Now, the biggest corporations buy the government while strangling out (or buying out) the small Mom & Pop shops where innovation is actually taking place.

              [–]SuperSonicSwagger 38ポイント39ポイント  (8子コメント)

              Because inflation, weak dollar or needing to repair older infrastructure or whatever bullshit excuse they have

              [–]East902Nova Scotia 36ポイント37ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Because $$$$$$

              [–]EastYorkOntario [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              Also Bell and Rogers don't want you to download videos, they want you to purchase their overpriced cable/satellite plans for that instead. Aren't there rules for this kind of practice?

              [–]vsTerminus 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

              A lot of it comes down to people just being used to paying these prices.

              If you are accustomed to paying $60/month and suddenly the carrier's costs all go down, you'll still pay $60/month unless people start complaining (And even then it's no guarantee...)

              [–]baby__cheesus 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              The CRTC ruling of 2 year terms in stead of 3 year terms was a major factor. The telecommunication companies here are looking for any reason on why they need to increase their rate plans without them looking like the bad guys.

              Lets use /u/Poomee as an example. He pays $60 for unlimited call/text and 6GB data. Rogers doesn't (on their site, but probably does through a retailer) offer a 6GB plan anymore. When the change occurred ~ 2 years ago they were offering a 6GB plan at $120-130/mo. Lets do the math from 2013. $60 x 36 months And you get a 16GB iphone (iphone 5s) for $150 on that contract. Total investment was $2310 to "own" your phone. Now lets compare an iPhone SE 16gb and at the $90/mo plan listed. $90 x 24 mo + $99 for the phone. Total now is $2260. You are getting less than half the data AND on a 12 month lower term but only a $50 price difference.

              The issue is not that the CRTC allowed shorter term contracts, the issue was the lack of restrictions on the policy changes. It left the telecommunication companies with the ability to completely gouge the prices stating the rising costs they will occur on 2 year terms. Their costs of infrastructure and maintenance were already reflected in the $60/mo plan. They were not losing money. Fact is Rogers stock value in 2013 while offering 3 year plans is roughly in the same range as they are currently. The dollar was not weak until Mid summer of 2015 yet the prices jumped significantly in fall of 2013. Inflation from 2012 to 2016 is 4.87% according to the Bank of Canada.

              Let's all remember, the big 3 are not NPO's. They know exactly what they are doing. It not just happening with cell phones. The rate increases and offering are also occurring with home internet, television and phone services. We have no way of policing these companies in the way they are gouging the customers. The CRTC has made attempts to reverse this the last couple years but lobbying has caused whatever changes that have happened to be at the benefit of the provider, not the end user.

              [–]tojoso 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

              Riiiiight. Canada faces a globally unique "old infrastructure" problem. The other BS reason is that it's big and sparsely populated. Yet, the most densely populated cities are by far the most expensive. Compare costs in Toronto to costs in Buttfuck, Saskatchewan or Manitoba.

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                [–]ReAn1985[S] 633ポイント634ポイント  (181子コメント)

                We've long known that the big 3 (and by proxy, the little 3) are basically operating an oligopoly, but it isn't until you put their plans side-by side that it's just so blatant.

                [–]nelfooLest We Forget 240ポイント241ポイント  (125子コメント)

                ELI5 why this isn't considered price fixing.

                [–]PM_ME_YOUR_HEADSHOTS 495ポイント496ポイント  (5子コメント)

                Because fuck you, that's why.

                [–]rodleland 237ポイント238ポイント  (1子コメント)

                This is technically, politically, and economically the correct answer.

                [–]hopeyesperanza [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Policy analyst and statistician here: You're not wrong.

                [–]constructioncranes [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                Because fuck you, that's why.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ilMx7k7mso

                checks out

                [–]TealSwinglineStapler [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                'You can oligobble down our balls,' has to be the best line in that video.

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                  [–]FuggleyBrew 134ポイント135ポイント  (59子コメント)

                  Price fixing requires collusion, simply setting your price to match your rivals without any agreement isn't considered price fixing.

                  [–]nelfooLest We Forget 53ポイント54ポイント  (55子コメント)

                  Price fixing requires collusion

                  How do you know this isn't happening. If we can agree there isn't competition, what do you think they are thinking.

                  [–]northernswagger 164ポイント165ポイント  (20子コメント)

                  I completed my marketing degree a few years back and Canadian telco's are the actual, textbook definition of "price signalling".

                  They never ever talk to each other about price, but they will pre-emptively signal their price to competitors. TELUS did this years back with charging for incoming text messaging. A press release goes out stating "On April 1, TELUS will start charging $0.35 for incoming texts." All the other companies say "Awesome, now we can do the same" and with much less fan fare, they change their policy to charge for incoming texts as well.

                  It also gives TELUS or whomever price signals the chance to pull back on the change if their competitors DONT agree to hike prices as well. So if Bell and Rogers hadn't fallen in line on incoming texts, TELUS would have likely said "We truly value our customer feedback and are not implementing that change".

                  They'll usually rotate around so that it's not always the same company ratcheting the prices, but from a purely legal perspective there's no collusion because there's no direct communication.

                  [–]Superfarmer 29ポイント30ポイント  (7子コメント)

                  This reminds me of gas stations.

                  We used to get a phone call saying so and so down the road had upped the price of gas so we would too.

                  [–]Jwang909Ontario [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  Well you're right on the money, in classes as early as Econ101, Gas Stations are the #1 textbook example of illustrating what the difference between Price Signalling vs Price Fixing is

                  [–]pyro5050 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                  i honestly thought that major gas chains had people that spent all day watching this shit...

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                    [–]captain150 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

                    They'll usually rotate around so that it's not always the same company ratcheting the prices, but from a purely legal perspective there's no collusion because there's no direct communication.

                    Christ these companies and the people running them are such scumbags. At least I have Sasktel in my province which seems to help.

                    [–]tehsuigiOntario [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    Same thing happened in another highly regulated industry with high barriers to entry - air travel.

                    Porter started charging for first checked bag on domestic flights, then WestJet followed, then Air Canada.

                    There wasn't collusion, but if one entity can add the charges and get away with it (and the other entities don't see significant business gains from not adding the charges), then theoretically all could add the charges.

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                      [–]ckydmk 55ポイント56ポイント  (11子コメント)

                      Probably is but you have to be able to prove it

                      [–]NinjaporkOntario 14ポイント15ポイント  (10子コメント)

                      Isn't that the rub eh? We need all those "investigative" reporting shows to come together and blow this whole thing apart. I bet that they are colluding but man would it be satisfying to see if broadcast from their own channels.

                      [–]Laxxium 27ポイント28ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      Except all the investigative shows are cable shows owned by Rogers/Bell.

                      [–]jamesneysmith 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      And true investigative journalism is nearly dead. No resources.

                      [–]mallrat672 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      CBC isn't.

                      [–]coylter 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      And that's why we need to starve the CBC...oh wait.

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                        [–]OrbisTerre 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Thing is, I don't think they need to meet in a room or exchange emails. They could all just match each other with no real communications. They all know the game -- real competition only helps the consumer, hurts the corporations, so they don't bother. This all sucks but I don't know how to legislate a fix for this.

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                          [–]LeakyLycanthropeManitoba 56ポイント57ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          Courts generally frown upon legal arguments predicated on "come on guys, it's totally obvious!"

                          [–]purplezart 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          Actually, I think legal arguments are really only considered effective if they can be reduced to something being totally obvious. Reasoning introduces the possibility of doubt.

                          [–]LeakyLycanthropeManitoba 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          If it's totally obvious because the evidence clearly points that way, yes. Not because it seems intuitively obvious.

                          [–]FuggleyBrew 11ポイント12ポイント  (7子コメント)

                          It could be collusion, at the same time in an oligopolistic market its also at times in companies interest to price match.

                          The intent to collude is the key element distinguishing similar prices and price fixing.

                          Also, note in a perfectly competitive market, everyone will charge the same price as well. Similar prices aren't sufficient to establish collusion.

                          [–]j1ggyAlberta 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Because prices don't change at the exact same time, just like gas stations. One company will adjust their price, the others react and follow.

                          [–]siamthailand 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Feel free to prove it in court.

                          [–]Bytewave 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Basically until you prove in court with recorded audio they colluded, nothing is price fixing :/ But also, there's no real reason to actively collude when you can just copy the others' prices.

                          [–]FR05TB1T3 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Its simply a result of the market structure in place (well documented). I explained more in a post higher up.

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                              [–]Aprime1 15ポイント16ポイント  (8子コメント)

                              Because the competition bureau has a shit load of work to do to demonstrate this.

                              Also, the original post doesn't cover prices across the country.

                              [–]FR05TB1T3 13ポイント14ポイント  (12子コメント)

                              Because they aren't explicitly colluding. If i charge $10 you could charge $9 your going to steal some of my clients but if the number of clients you steal doesn't make up for the opportunity cost on the clients who would have paid $10 that you already had then you will never do it. Basically no company has any incentives to lower there prices, and they do have incentives to slowly raise their prices to just below the point where a competitor could lower their price and make more profit. This point is pretty hard to find as peoples demand curve/ motivations are extremely hard to model and predict. This is simply what happens in these types of markets (Bertrand competition) in an oligopoly. Analysis on this is now a key part of any merger analysis before the government gives approval. So since they aren't actively working together and its simply market forces pushing the price up no one can be charged becasue they aren't breaking any laws.

                              [–]sir_fancypantsOntario 25ポイント26ポイント  (7子コメント)

                              Because the CRTC is ridiculously inept and likely in the pocket of said Big 3.

                              [–]psychicoctopusSP 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              The CRTC doesn't regulate prices, and is explicitly instructed to rely on market forces to the maximum extent. Everyone loves to blame them, but how about the fact we have one broadcasting law and one telecommunications law - both designed more than 20 years ago, seperately - that desperately need to be merged and reconciled.

                              [–]nelfooLest We Forget 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              This country is getting a bit ridiculous.

                              Edit: country from province

                              [–]OrbisTerre 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

                              How would you suggest the CRTC address price fixing/collusion when there is no evidence the big 3 ever talk to each other? It's kind of overreaching when the gov't tells an entire industry 'you have to charge THIS much for this service, no more'.

                              [–]the_bryce_is_rightSaskatchewan [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                              The CRTC should have let Verizon come in last year but no, they backed down after the telecom companies ran a big ad campaign saying it would cost 1000s of jobs. Fuck those assholes..

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                                [–]willyolio 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                Because former telco executives serve on the board that supposedly represent consumers.

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                                  [–]mpprogCanada 31ポイント32ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Thanks for sharing this.

                                  [–]r-ice 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  After they absorb the new entrants, they raises all their prices as a giant f u.

                                  [–]Waff1esOntario 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  "You made me have to buy out the competition. Now you pay for the cost."

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                                    [–]SoLucki 121ポイント122ポイント  (73子コメント)

                                    It differs so much from province to province. My brother is on koodo in Québec and he pay $34 for unlimited Canadian calling and 2gb of data.

                                    [–]JeffBoner 94ポイント95ポイント  (53子コメント)

                                    Yeah because Quebec has a little more competition.

                                    [–]RealDisagreer 71ポイント72ポイント  (52子コメント)

                                    In manitoba you get 6GB and unlimited everything for 48 dollars a month.

                                    [–]East902Nova Scotia 42ポイント43ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                    Because of MTS.

                                    [–]204in403Manitoba [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                                    MTS is a game changer in Manitoba. Unlimited data (even with throttling over 15GB) means I don't have to worry if the next youtube video I watch will make me lose my shirt. All the other mobile service providers have to offer competitive options (even if they don't included unlimited data) to compete for and keep customers.

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                                      [–]ecclectic 50ポイント51ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                      That's because you can basically service the entire province with like 4 towers and maintain LOS...

                                      Edit, for those who need it, this was a joke about the province being flat, not a justification of the the cost differential.

                                      [–]caseyvillManitoba 48ポイント49ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                      Actually in Manitoba the curvature of the earth is the major factor in limiting signal.

                                      Source: Some engineer I met once. Plus I did the math and it checks out

                                      [–]loercaseBritish Columbia 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      You can practically do the same in Ontario, since 90% of the population lives in the Golden Horseshoe. Or BC for that matter. Or even Alberta, if you just do Edmonton and Calgary. Funny, I'm seeing a trend here...

                                      [–]AngryMulbear 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Savage

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                                        [–]JeffBoner 15ポイント16ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                        Manitoba Quebec and Sask have more competition.

                                        [–]kerrlybill 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                        Competition isn't the reason we have better phone plans. If you introduced two more cell companies into any province without a Crown Corp, they are either going to be really small players with inferior service or they are going to price themselves exactly the same as the big 3 and hopefully gather a piece of their market share.

                                        MTS and Sasktel are the only reason our provinces aren't being gouged like the others. It's not cheaper to operate here than any other province. The price differential is simply because we have two Crown Corps leading the way who are not interested in gouging their customers. It's the same with the other Crown Corps. We have Sask Energy, Sask Power, SGI, among others. Our prices, when compared to other provinces are lower across the board. These companies also add another benefit to the province. They employ a lot of people. They pay very good wages, have great benefit and pension packages, which keep extra money in our economy. When the big 3 are being run and managed out of a different province, the only employees we see is underpaid retail employees along with contracted service guys.

                                        I will fight tooth and nail to make sure these Crown Corps are never sold off. They are a gift to our province.

                                        [–]RealDisagreer 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                        I know, must be nice.

                                        [–]terribly_misinformedManitoba 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        I pay $60 a month for unlimited data and all the standard features. That's with Mts. I use a lot of data because it's 5x faster then my Internet connection.

                                        [–]enki1337 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        BTW, there's nothing stopping you from getting this plan in another province, just a bit of work. Check out howard forums for more info.

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                                          [–]bpetrie88Saskatchewan 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          In sk I'm on a $60 plan with 10 gb, unlimited phone and text.

                                          [–]AshanmarilSaskatchewan 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Same. Sasktel kinda forced everyone to be pretty competitive.

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                                            [–]sidarape 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            According to the Koodo website, it is $50 for that plan. Maybe an old contract.

                                            [–]SoLucki 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Yes it was a black Friday special

                                            [–]Asshai 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            With Koodo? I have the same plan. It's actually two offers combined: a 1Gb, unlimited calls plan and a free 1Gb data promo available during Black Friday.

                                            However, it doesn't count what you pay monthly for any phone you might have bought. Fido has a "bring your own phone" cheap plan, and a more expensive one if you purchase a new phone. The tab is only there to remind you how much you'd pay if you cancelled. Koodo has one standard plan and if you purchase a phone you pay the tab monthly as you'd pay back a loan.

                                            So "tab" doesn't meam the same to the two carriers but in the end you pay the same anyway. The difference to me boiled down to free Spotify vs. additionnal voice messages.

                                            [–]Brett_Hulls_Foot 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            My wife and I still have our Manitoba numbers, yet we live in BC. We would each get charged 30$ more a month for the same plan here. It's fucking bullshit.

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                                              [–]robot-shmobot 52ポイント53ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                              I have a grandfathered Koodo plan from the iPhone 5 release they keep trying to get me to change. 6GB data, unlimited text, 150 Canada wide minutes - $65/mo. They call and ask if I'm ready for an amazing offer. Unlimited minutes and text, $60/mo. I said great! How about data l? 1GB. Lol. Do you even look at my usage data? I have maybe 7 mins of calls a month and use nearly all my 6 GB. Go away.

                                              [–]loercaseBritish Columbia 25ポイント26ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                              Funnily enough, in any other country that plan wouldn't even be considered a good deal.

                                              [–]ilikesaucy [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                              UK, £18 per month

                                              2,000 UK minutes
Unlimited UK texts
6 GB UK data

                                              or £20 per month

                                              Unlimited UK minutes
Unlimited UK texts
Always On UK data

                                              [–]euxneksBritish Columbia [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                              Really, really wish our politicians would get their head out of their asses and realize that technology is actually a thing.

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                                                [–]bkspeakman 12ポイント13ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                The problem with this is you can't upgrade your phone if the time comes. They will force you into the "amazing offer."

                                                [–]emalk4yOntario 40ポイント41ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                Who gives a shit? Buy an unlocked phone and keep the awesome grandfathered plan. "upgrading" your phone through Koodo is literally paying instalments for the full cost of the phone. No discount.

                                                [–]KevindeMontrealBritish Columbia 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                THIS My plan is four or five years old but it fits my needs. Every existing cell phone plan is at least twice as expensive.

                                                [–]dpc59Québec 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                BLU makes awesome unlocked phones that are quite cheap

                                                [–]Heart_piss_its_pants [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                It has been so deeply ingrained into their mind by the telcos "You get to upgrade every 2 years!" No you dont. You finished paying your crappy 2 year old phone in 2 years. That is now worthless. I buy my iphone outright, get to upgrade whenever the fuck I want, and sell it for a premium a month before the new one comes out. But these people dont get it... " look I just gave me this 3 year old iphone 5s for thee free, what a deal maane."

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                                                  [–]East902Nova Scotia 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  In order to serve you better...

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                                                      [–]Veggie 30ポイント31ポイント  (32子コメント)

                                                      No Wind?

                                                      [–]ecclectic 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                      Shaw Cable bought Wind, they still don't have the coverage to be a 'national' carrier.

                                                      [–]woodsbre 23ポイント24ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                      Wind is useless if you don't live in one of the wind zones. Aka the 6 major urban centres.

                                                      [–]Wolve10_ 21ポイント22ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                      but if you do it is blessed. I pay something like 40 a month for unlimited everything

                                                      [–]XenotozQuébec 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                      Wind doesn't even have coverage in Montreal, they're barely a competitor.

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                                                        [–]bgb_caNewfoundland and Labrador 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                        Give it a year or two

                                                        [–]lastsecondmagic 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                        They broke Wind.

                                                        [–]pfx7Lest We Forget 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        I'm on Wind and for $40+tax, I get:

                                                        • unlimited calls+text (US and Canada)
                                                        • 5GB of data
                                                        • $12.50 worth of roaming
                                                        • some of the cheapest international calling rates

                                                        Don't see why I have to even think of any other carriers.

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                                                          [–]Jurmungolo 27ポイント28ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                          What the fuck is "shock free data"

                                                          [–]ns_devNova Scotia 28ポイント29ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                          It automatically stops your data when you reach your limit, you have to approve before you pay the per use fee.

                                                          [–]gapagos 51ポイント52ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                          As in.... it merely respects the law.

                                                          [–]ns_devNova Scotia 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                          Law is $50.

                                                          [–]vsTerminus 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                          It's actually easier to stop you at your included usage than to stop you at $50. The former requires realtime mediation, the later require realtime rating & billing in addition.

                                                          In simpler terms, to stop someone after they've used up their included usage, you just count up the data until they hit 1GB or whatever the limit is and then stop them. In order to stop them at $50 you now have to count the usage and determine what that usage is worth on the fly. (Which can be complicated, especially when it comes to roaming rates)

                                                          [–]ns_devNova Scotia 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          The $50 limit is only for on network overages, there is a limit of $100 for roaming (both domestic and international). They can calculate both independently for a max of $150.

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                                                            [–]Vologogo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            That should be the required by law

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                                                              [–]danfseviltwin 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              Great job CRTC...

                                                              [–]Masark 58ポイント59ポイント  (31子コメント)

                                                              Meanwhile in Saskatchewan

                                                              • $25 - 100 minutes, unlimited evenings & weekends. $0.20/text message sent, free to receive
                                                              • $30 - 200 minutes, unlimited evenings & weekends, unlimited texting ($0.75 per picture/video message)
                                                              • $35 - Unlimited local and long distance, including USA. $0.20/text message sent, free to receive
                                                              • $40 - Unlimited local and long distance, including USA, unlimited SMS and MMS messaging
                                                              • $65 - 1GB, 400min, unlimited evening & weekends, unlimited messaging
                                                              • $75 - 10GB, unlimited minutes (including long distance and USA), unlimited messaging
                                                              • $90 - 13GB, unlimited minutes (including long distance and USA), unlimited messaging
                                                              • $105 - Unlimited everything

                                                              [–]hoppedup 19ポイント20ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                              Even Sask rates have gone up though. Sasktels $100 plan used to be $75.

                                                              [–]Masark 2ポイント3ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                              Not quite. The old $70 plan (which I personally have) is slightly different. It has 600 local minutes, 150 long distance minutes, and pay-per-minute voicemail.

                                                              [–]kadins 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              AND Sasktel is a Crown Corp, so they are REQUIRED by law to service everyone, even it it costs them money. This is what people don't get. sometimes Roger's can be cheaper, and that's because they only have to put tower's where they think it will profit them. Where Sasktel has to maintain 100% coverage, even if only 1 person lives there.

                                                              Not long ago the Roger's home town hockey stopped by in Swift Current. We normally have terrible Roger's coverage here, but for the month before and after HTH they brought in extra mobile tower's to make it seem like Roger's was the best. Made me laugh.

                                                              [–]ducksarewetSaskatchewan 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                              I'm with Koodo here and paying $48 for 5Gb and unlimited everything else.

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                                                                [–]x3medudeNew Brunswick 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                And this is why I think Sugar Mobile is making should a huge step by challenging the MVNO ruling by the CRTC. Regardless of which province you live in, even if it is cheaper elsewhere, we still need more competition.

                                                                [–]Ceedeekee 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                Sugar mobile is merely a VoIP service with texting integrated into an app. It's only 200MB per month and the way it's sandboxes in an app doesn't play well with iMessage. It's not terrible, but it's not our saviour either.

                                                                [–]East902Nova Scotia 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                It's a start I guess. More choice is always better, even if a lot of people seem to dislike Iristel.

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                                                                  [–]oogiewoogie 23ポイント24ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                  I have a corporate plan for Rogers from 6 years ago where I pay $60/month (taxes in) for 500 Canada-wide minutes, 6gb of data, and unlimited texting.

                                                                  I'm off contract, but I wanted an iPhone 6s Plus but didn't want to pay full price for it. I figured I didn't mind being locked into an extra 2 years in order to get the iPhone at a discounted price. I called expecting to get an iPhone but I was told I had to "upgrade" my plan to the current plan, which will cost me $75, 300 minutes, and only 1 gb of data. "How is that an upgrade when I pay more for WAY less of everything?" They had no answer.

                                                                  I told them no way, no how. I'm keeping my plan forever. I went out and bought an ASUS 2 Zenfone laser for $270. I refuse to pay $1300 for an iPhone.

                                                                  [–]KevindeMontrealBritish Columbia 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                  There are no more discounts for phones, not since Canada went to 2 year plans.

                                                                  In fact, the idea of a discounted phone was usually an illusion, because in 90% of cases it was cheaper to buy the phone outright.

                                                                  Buy your phone from Apple or whichever manufacturer you want. They'll register your SIM to your existing plane. Easy peasy.

                                                                  [–]techie2200 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  I was told I had to "upgrade" my plan to the current plan, which will cost me $75, 300 minutes, and only 1 gb of data. "How is that an upgrade when I pay more for WAY less of everything?" They had no answer.

                                                                  That's one thing I like about WIND. I called them to see if I could get on a different (cheaper) plan. Normally there's a fee to change plans unless you're upgrading. Since the plan was better than what I currently had (even though it was cheaper) they counted it as an upgrade, so I didn't pay the fee and my monthly bill dropped by ~$8/mo, with an increase in service.

                                                                  [–]RadTheMan 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  "Upgrade" is just the industry term for the transaction - going on a new contract with a new phone.

                                                                  In the past that often meant a better phone and/or better plan. Not so much anymore, these days.

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                                                                    [–]c0nsciousperspective 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                    The best part is you can visit any of their locations and listen to their staff actually try to tell you this is a good value.

                                                                    [–]SurgencyBritish Columbia [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                    I work for one of the big three as a sales rep and I would never say this. ITT people having bad experiences in general. I hate the plans just as much as every other person in Canada and when the system forces me to change a plan, I go over every possible option to come to a better resolution or crunch numbers for clients to see what the cheapest option would be, etc. I take no pride or pleasure in raising someones rate plan, all it does is depress me. But I need money to live and go to school, too.

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                                                                      [–]zimin20 30ポイント31ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                                      Koodo has a prepaid plan that I think is the best if you're not a huge data user. $15 a month for unlimited texts and voicemail. You buy your data/minutes, (30/gb and 25/500 minutes) the real great part is that it all rolls over each month.

                                                                      I have wifi at home and at school, I don't talk much on the phone. A gb lasts me about 6 months and I'm averaging about $22 a month when looked at over time. The only downside is that they hate it and I get emails/messages asking me to upgrade to a post-paid plan fairly regularly.

                                                                      [–]Williard 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                      Interesting. I didn't know about this. Here's link:

                                                                      https://www.koodomobile.com/prepaid-plans

                                                                      [–]loercaseBritish Columbia 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                      Huh, cool. Only thing I don't like is your base plan limits you to local calls only, which I can't stand. Long distance is an anachronism, there is no reason my call needs to cost a thousand times more if it's to to the next province.

                                                                      [–]feedyoutothewolves_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      Sign up for mobile long distance with Yak. Cheap LD and they have a feature where you make LD calls by dialling a local number that will ring busy, and they call you back with a local number and you place your LD call on that call. You only get charged incoming local and 5 (I think) cents a minute by Yak.

                                                                      [–]East902Nova Scotia 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      Pretty good for light usage.

                                                                      [–]Jendall 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      Ya I've been on this plan for a few months now. I found it just looking around, surprised people aren't talking about it more. Most people have wifi at work/school/home/friends houses so the only place you need data is when you are out. I haven't finished my first 1Gb purchase yet so it's looking like it's gonna be a pretty cheap option.

                                                                      And even if you do use 1Gb per month, that's still cheaper than the $80 plan with 1Gb.

                                                                      [–]inagartenofeden 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                      If you sign up for automatic top ups with this plan you get 10% credit which drops the price to $13.50 a month

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                                                                        [–]zigzaghdQuébec 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                        "Competition"

                                                                        [–]Mr_Glasscock 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                        Yup, Just another illusion of choice.

                                                                        [–]gyuude 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                        80 dollars for 3 gigabytes data? Well... In Denmark i pay around 20 dollars for 16 gigabytes...

                                                                        [–]East902Nova Scotia 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                        Crazy. Even in the US, which they can't really play the "vast geography" card, you can get great plans with T Mobile or an AT&T MVNO like cricket for much less than what we pay in Canada. They throttle data down after the allotment too instead of charging overages. And some T-Mobile plans let you use your phone in Canada and Mexico without roaming charges as well, so technically while visiting many t mo customers have better access to our networks here than we do...

                                                                        [–]Qwardian 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                        Rogers Communications Owns Rogers Wireless Fido Chatr Mobile Mobility Cityfone

                                                                        Bell Canada Owns: Bell Mobility Aliant Solo Mobile Virgin Mobile

                                                                        Telus Owns Telus Mobility Koodo Mobile Mike, Clearnet Public Mobile

                                                                        Shaw Communications Owns Wind Mobile

                                                                        The co-operation between the big 3 is sickening.

                                                                        [–]Ham_Sandwich77 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                        At what point does this become price fixing?

                                                                        [–]randumb_user 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        I wish we could use services like Ting up in Canada. But we can't, despite them being a Canadian company. Thanks CRTC.

                                                                        [–]Cragnous 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                        Wow I'm glad it's much better in Quebec.

                                                                        49.99$ - Unlimited minutes/texts - 2 gigabytes

                                                                        -5$ if you have an other service (cable or internet)

                                                                        [–]_hugerobots_ 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                        Can't believe how happy I am to have that Fido first iPhone data plan still... 6gb for $30 a month. This is unreal. I'd actually have to pay MORE for the same plan today. Aren't costs supposed to lessen with technology as time passes?

                                                                        [–]tabionCanada 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                        This will probably get downvoted. The big 3 are motivated by profits, and are all using game theory to maximize this. If they decrease their price, a competitor will immediately follow. If they increase their price, and others follow, then they will see growth. If they increase their price, then see nobody followed, they will move it back down. So instead, they do limited time promotions to get people to switch or buy in, but even those promotions are matched by competitors so that they do not miss out. It sucks, but I would also like to see what the solution is for this versus us complaining about this every month on Reddit.

                                                                        [–]NewspaperDR 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        Isn't this also called price fixing, which is illegal?

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                                                                          [–]biskelionBritish Columbia 16ポイント17ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                          Telus had the right idea.

                                                                          "Hey everyone, Canadians love getting screwed by the dairy cartel so why don't we adopt some cute animals as our mascots?"

                                                                          I'm almost surprised Uber hasn't tried the same tactic.

                                                                          Canada could be so much better if we didn't have these sorts of horrible anti consumer fiefdoms enshrined in our system. But the rich entrenched interests need to stay rich I suppose, else it would be unfair?

                                                                          [–]Ofdetail 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                          I thought with dairy we paid more to keep Canadian dairy competitive with the US so we aren't forced to drink their hormone-filled garbage

                                                                          [–]CantrippingOntario 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                          I've said it before and I'll say it again, of all the things I feel I'm overcharged for in Canada, milk is absolutely not one of them, and I probably buy 12 litres in an average week (loves my milk)

                                                                          [–]biskelionBritish Columbia 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                          Not so much milk as milk based products. Because you are right, who drinks enough milk that like 1.50$/L is too expensive? It's in the same price range as Coke.

                                                                          But won't somebody think of the cheese?

                                                                          We could make amazing cheese and export it all over the world. Our farmers could be world famous and rich on their own merit!!

                                                                          Instead we buy $9 blocks of orange rubber product that masquerades as cheese and tariff the hell out of superior products that dare rear their heads in Canada.

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                                                                            [–]biskelionBritish Columbia 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            Congrats you fell for the marketing BS!!

                                                                            The hormone they use are not legal up here so even if we had free dairy trade with them we wouldn't get them.

                                                                            Almost every cheese and milk product I've purchased in the US proudly claims to be RGHB free, or whatever the hormone de-jour is.

                                                                            But much more importantly other free markets, like New Zealand and Australia, have way better products than us, export way more than us, and are much cheaper.

                                                                            Our Dairy Industrial Complex shares a lot in common with the US Republican party in that respect. Poor people vote for them despite the fact they are absolutely the wrong party to vote for if you are poor. Where as normal Canadians support our dairy overlords because "hormones are bad, and dairy farmers are working Canadians who need our support" when in reality hormones aren't an issue and dairy farmers are mostly either mega farms or rich or both.

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                                                                              [–]Haxim 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                              Telus didn't even come up with the animal mascot idea IIRC. They acquired it when they bought ClearNET.

                                                                              [–]biskelionBritish Columbia 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                              ClearNet was the bomb. I remember per second billing and free voice mail.

                                                                              Then suddenly we are all per minute and voice mail spend a decade being $8 a month.

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                                                                                  [–]SomeCanuckGuy 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  A competition between crap and crapper.

                                                                                  [–]someyongeguy 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  In Poland you can get 3GB of LTE data for 6.90 CAD after tax (http://www.play.pl/en/). Also, it's pay as you go so no contracts.

                                                                                  If Canadian labour cost 10x more than Polish labour the Canadian prices would be reasonable. But that is not the case.

                                                                                  [–]Forristal 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Should add in the pricing from Quebec and Manitoba/Saskatchewan. Very frustrating.

                                                                                  [–]Vologogo 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                  One differentiating factor that is missing is the signal quality and area of coverage. I had a great plan with Wind, at times patchy on the first call received, but my signal would disappear as soon as I entered my office 25+ floors high, smack dab in the middle of Toronto's financial centre downtown. Ridiculous... Was forced to switch to Fido unfortunately.

                                                                                  [–]nirvanachicks 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  For those who aren't data hungry in any way Public Mobile is pretty awesome. 4 Gigs for 90 days - unlimitied Provincial talk - unlimited text for 120.00. You have to bring your own phone...Turns out to be about 40/month plus tax. I mean, I stay at home and use my home internet or I am in a hotspot most of the time so it works for me.

                                                                                  [–]XSplain 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  How has it gotten more expensive for less bandwidth over the years?

                                                                                  [–]updn 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  It's OK though, because we have Wind Mobile.. aaaand it's gone. Bought up by the big guys.

                                                                                  [–]TBSdota 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                  What they don't tell you is that Rogers owns Fido and Chatr, Bell owns Virgin, and Bell owns the towers that run Telus, and Telus owns Koodo.

                                                                                  So the big two are Roger, and Bell. There are only a few local companies that are outside their clutches, like Wind.

                                                                                  [–]East902Nova Scotia 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Telus "owns" most of the sites in the west and Bell in the east where they are both ILECs. Their whole physical network is shared though. Telus has more customers IIRC in their wireless division than Bell, so they are every bit as powerful (and are no saint). Either way, we need competition.

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                                                                                    [–]TheGuyWithAlberta 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                    I got a plan from Manitoba, so I pay about $50 a month after tax for 5GB of data with unlimited calling and texting.

                                                                                    Here in Alberta the "same" plan is like $80 a month. It's insane.

                                                                                    [–]FourFingerLifeHug 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                    Yes, and I'm hard pressed to believe it costs them $30 more to service Alberta than it does to service Manitoba. I'm in Saskatchewan and I think I have the same plan ($48 Koodo unlimited everything + 5GB of data?).

                                                                                    [–]pmich80 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                    I'm so thankful we have the CRTC. Clearly they've helped the situation.... Said no one ever.

                                                                                    [–]angrycommie 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    Telecommunications rep here. The prices really are bullshit. Canada's telecommunications 'monopoly' is bullshit.

                                                                                    The only tip I can give you guys is to try to sign up for a corporate plan. Not a business plan, but corporate. There are many corporations that are eligible for much better corporate plans, mostly in the government, services, and education sectors. Even if you don't work there personally, if you know a family or friend who does, you can sign up under his account.

                                                                                    [–]JustWayne 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    The worst part is that the rates drop so much in Saskatchewan (and Manitoba I believe) because SaskTel is there. If you go to Koodo's website and change your region to Sask (top right) you'll see the difference. Last time I checked it was $48 for unlimited nationwide talk and text, with 5GB of data. Why the hell can't they offer those prices anywhere else? Oh yeah, price fixing.

                                                                                    [–]Xoron101 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    Now, change your province to MB on each site and compare the plans.

                                                                                    [–]DeepUnknown 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                    80 dollars? That's like a joke. I'm using a package for 6 dollars a month with 1 GB/500 mins/10000 sms in Turkey.

                                                                                    [–]1leggeddog 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                    We got more competition in QC, but the price per GB of data is ridiculous...

                                                                                    In the Us they get unlimited for like 50$ or something.

                                                                                    here, it's not even offered! Not even a "unlimited LTE til X GB then we force you over to 3g but at least its still unlimited"

                                                                                    [–]StachTBO 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                    The real question is what can i do about it? My cell phone is something i NEED, i just cant protest these ridiculous prices with going with someone else or down right cancelling my phone.

                                                                                    [–]swills300 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                                                                    I just signed up with Wind today. Coverage is fine in my area.

                                                                                    $40 month with 5Gb of Data, Unlimited Text/Talk, and $0.02/min to the UK. Plus $5.00 off per month cos I brought my own phone.

                                                                                    How is anyone else even in business?

                                                                                    [–]JayLoveJapan 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                    Wow, I live in Quebec and pay 80$ a month for unlimited text/talk across Canada and 6 gigs. I couldn't imagine paying that much for 1 gig

                                                                                    [–]TorontoBiker 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                    I live in Ontario. Same exact plan as you, same price, through Bell Canada.

                                                                                    However I did have to threaten to leave to get that...

                                                                                    [–]c0rb3au 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    I had to threaten to leave too but I got it for 72 and I have Canada/Us unlimited.

                                                                                    [–]beener 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    Thankfully videotron is coming into parts of Ontario. I've got your plan. The best Rogers and bell could offer me was 95$ for 3 gigs. Which is fucked because I used to get 6g from Rogers for life 70. They've gone back in time to 2009

                                                                                    [–]unclekutter 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    Things like this make me really greatful for having a $45 loyalty plan with 500 mins/mb with an additional 2gb a month for free. Although the 2gb free is only for 2 years apparently.

                                                                                    [–]gilboman 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    very definition of perfect competition

                                                                                    [–]ucelik137 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                    Isnt is illegal to cooperate to increase the prices together ?

                                                                                    [–]max420British Columbia 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    "Competition"

                                                                                    [–]calzoniusManitoba 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                    Isn't price collusion like, not cool?

                                                                                    [–]willyolio 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    You can argue that if they were competing so hard and cut prices to the minimum, they would also look the same.

                                                                                    But it's even more obvious if you track historical prices. If one company raises prices, all the other companies raise their prices in lock step. That's the exact opposite of competition.

                                                                                    [–]CE2JRH 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                    Where is Public Mobile?

                                                                                    [–]EpsilonSigmaNova Scotia 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    Jesus fuck why did I go with Telus. Contract is up in two months, rest of the family is on Virgin. I'm getting the fuck out.

                                                                                    [–]alkizmo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    Thank God for grandfathered plans. I snagged one of those golden age era plans when they were offering retention plans to anything with a pulse.

                                                                                    [–]asmjCanada 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    So many choices!

                                                                                    [–]michaelsp9 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                    I'm in Ontario and had some guy hook me up with a $48 plan from Fido in Sask. Unlimited calling and texting plus like 5gb data. I've stopped going to normal telecom retailers for years now. Only issue is, if you have probables with your service and try and call fido, they'll just pester you in having your plan switched.

                                                                                    [–]Ham_Sandwich77 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    This is all the evidence I need to support the government annexing all of those telecom companies, their assets, funds and facilities, and nationalizing telecommunications. I'm ok with them enslaving the employees too.

                                                                                    [–]gurrsey11 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    shouldn't this fall under r/corruption?

                                                                                    [–]TheSaltyChef 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                    that's why wind mobile is the better option.

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