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[–]emma_gold_man [スコア非表示]  (31子コメント)

Support - we need to show actual concern for this issue, not just concern trolling. And that's the problem:

And warnings need to have teeth, ban people who repeatedly ignore warnings.

This is what Meta is particularly bad at. Min proved it, atplbroh proved it, prince_kropotkin and ravencrowed are currently proving it. There is simply too large a contingent that doesn't want warnings to have teeth.

I think I have a solution for that, I suspect it won't pass - and for exactly the same reason. We'll see.

[–]anarchothrowaway355 [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Stop using this thread to push your agenda. I don't give two shits about your feud with prince and raven but I've definitely seen less ableism from them than I have from yourself, enkara, limitexperience, and other members of your little gang.

[–]-Enkara-Literally Thought Police - weeewoooweewooo [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

/r/drama is the epitome of the behavior OP mentioned. Prince is one of them and has worked with them before at the expense of users here.

emma_gold_man is not off-topic here.

[–]anarchothrowaway355 [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Okay honestly I don't know what to think about the whole prince situation. I've seen him attacking others and others attacking him. I have no idea how the conflict started and all I really hear is wild sounding accusations from both sides, so I normally just try to stay out of it. I'm aware that he has commented in /r/drama but that doesn't mean anything in and of itself and I've never seen any example of him trying to incite trolling against other users (not saying they don't exist, just that I didn't see them).

I do know that, from what I've seen, him and raven have not been the biggest sources of ableism here by a long shot. Personally I'm just trying to avoid this getting derailed into yet another prince_kropotkin thread when there are broader issues to be discussed here.

[–]SpaceHeeder [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

tl;dr - PK is a prickly pear and got into fights with a lot of people when they were new here. One of the things they did during those fights was link to posts and threads in /r/drama, where they are also an active user. This was incredibly shitty of them, and was made against the rules, so they have stopped linking to individual threads and posts. However, they still go to /r/drama to blow off steam. There is now a large contingent of /r/metanarchism who are convinced that he is nothing but a troll and hardly any better than the worst of the worst from /r/drama. However, since there wasn't enough specific evidence of clear wrongdoing after they stopped linking threads, and since there hasn't been a consensus on no-platforming /r/drama, all subsequent attempts to ban PK have failed and have caused the people they argue with most-frequently to perceive that a troll is being given leeway in the name of free speech. They perceive continued tolerance of PK to be an embrace of wishy-washy liberalism and at-best an indirect form of oppression. People like you and me see what PK actually writes and can't in good conscience sign on with that conclusion. And the cycle of drama continues infinitely.

Actual tl;dr - Pots calling kettles black, everywhere. It's not all tit-for-tat and some people involved are more reasonable than others. So far there hasn't been enough of a consensus to ban anyone involved.

edited for accuracy.

[–]-Enkara-Literally Thought Police - weeewoooweewooo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

and since there hasn't been a consensus on no-platforming /r/drama

This is shameful and one of the things that pisses me off most about the whole situation.

I disagree with your premise that PK is no longer a problem, but don't have the energy enough right now to dig through reddit for examples, maybe later.

[–]Prince_Kropotkin [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I never actually submitted anything to drama, I just copied and pasted a single link in a drama thread one time when someone asked me about some argument I made (wasn't harassing someone, was just a political discussion), btw. Rather big difference.

[–]SpaceHeeder [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I never claimed that you submitted them, only that you linked them, which you did, and more than once if memory serves correctly.

edit: I understand that the word "xposted" in my comment may be misinterpreted to mean that you were initiating discussions in drama based on events in /r/anarchism or /r/metanarchism. I will edit the post.

[–]Prince_Kropotkin [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Fair enough. I only remember the one time though maybe it did happen more than once. I generally try to not start harassment campaigns over there.

[–]_Dances_With_Trolls_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

but you do stir the pot, harass people who you think are socks and otherwise think bad thoughts

[–]Prince_Kropotkin [スコア非表示]  (18子コメント)

What should ATPL, myself and ravencrowed be warned for? Please let me know where we've broken the AOP.

[–][deleted] [スコア非表示]  (17子コメント)

The AOP is against oppressive behavior, is it not? Don't you constantly call people ableist terms such as 'stupid', 'dumb', 'idiot', 'ridiculous' and 'unhinged/violent/obsessed lunatic'? How do you think that makes them feel?

http://i.imgur.com/He9DPa9.png

And so many more that have been removed by mods. You're a HUGE part of the problem outlined by OP. I really hope you took what OP said to heart.

[–]Prince_Kropotkin [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

Speaking of obsessed, seems like you're obsessed with me.

Can meta NOT be filled with 90% one-week-old sockpuppets trolling people? This is getting ridiculous.

[–][deleted] [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

Maybe if you stopped encouraging r/drama fascists to harass us, we wouldn't have to make alts to maintain our safety on this sub. Like OP said, this isn't a safe place.

[–]Prince_Kropotkin [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

"drama fascists" have been linking here for like 5 years because of the edginess and violence being espoused here, has nothing to do with me.

[–]-Enkara-Literally Thought Police - weeewoooweewooo [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

It has everything to do with you because you're one of them.

[–]Prince_Kropotkin [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

> be enkara

> think everyone you disagree with is a literal fascist

> go through life like this

[–]-Enkara-Literally Thought Police - weeewoooweewooo [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

You are literally a /r/drama troll, /r/drama is awful and the epitome of the behavior OP mentioned, therefore you are awful

Do you understand the logic?

[–][deleted] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I hope you don't mind but here are a couple of screenshots of his attacks against you. It's honestly a huge list, he trolls you on there almost everyday.

http://i.imgur.com/6JQis74.png

http://i.imgur.com/II7P08Q.png

[–][deleted] [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

You're such a liar. You keep dropping my username on r/drama - badnic - to encourage them to pm me slurs. You're a creepy stalker.

[–]Prince_Kropotkin [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

So you're yet another eeplox alt, is that what you're saying here? Holy shit get a life. I don't tell anyone to harass anyone, I don't ping anyone, I don't make drama threads.

[–][deleted] [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

For the last time, I'm not eeplox. Tell all your drama hounds to lay off me, they won't stop pming me slurs.

Screenshots:

http://i.imgur.com/QnLhtqG.png

Archives:

http://archive.is/uyqK0

http://archive.is/DcrUU

http://archive.is/nfNF9

I also have all the instances of you doing this same shit to Enkara archived. You are a TOXIC presence. I wouldn't even post on this sub if you didn't keep attacking me on drama.

[–]ravencrowed [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

that doesn't want warnings to have teeth.

I just made a thread proposing a mod resign/be demodded for telling someone to kill themselves. Remind me again of how you voted in that?