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Proposal : discourage users from suicide goading and similar (self.metanarchism)

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[–]punkswcleankitchens -2ポイント-1ポイント  (20子コメント)

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[–]Prince_Kropotkin 7ポイント8ポイント  (18子コメント)

Serious question: what is the difference (w.r.t hurting people) between a policy of not misgendering someone and a policy of not telling people to commit suicide in graphic ways, and why should this community have one but not the other?

[–]punkswcleankitchens -5ポイント-4ポイント  (17子コメント)

It comes down to the difference between oppressive and offensive. Misgendering is oppressive because it denies the target her agency to self-identify and reinforces the sex/gender system. Telling someone to kill himself is just stupid.

Suicide is probably a good idea anyways, considering the drudgery of life, but that's a conversation for another time.

[–]Prince_Kropotkin 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Telling someone to kill himself is just stupid.

Sure, if the target is someone like me. What if the target is someone who is depressed and on the edge? Is an exhortation to commit suicide (graphically) not oppressive, as it is an attack on those with mental illness and manipulates someone into doing something they might not want to do?

Furthermore, since we're all (or almost all) anonymous here, and we don't a priori know who is in a good place and who isn't, shouldn't it be a policy to just ban it altogether so that the above situation can't happen?

Suicide is probably a good idea anyways, considering the drudgery of life, but that's a conversation for another time.

Probably anywhere but this thread, ya.

[–]anarchothrowaway355 2ポイント3ポイント  (15子コメント)

It comes down to the difference between oppressive and offensive.

Says someone who's never dealt with any serious mental issues ever.

[–]punkswcleankitchens 6ポイント7ポイント  (14子コメント)

Please tell my psychiatrist that, he wont believe me

[–]CordialCalamity 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

/r/AsABlackMan

Fuck off

[–]punkswcleankitchens 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Now this is just pathetic. You have to believe so badly that you speak for disabled people everywhere, that you accuse me of lying about it when I have a dissenting opinion. Why don't you fuck off homie? I'm good.

[–]CordialCalamity 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

No you don't just have a "dissenting opinion" you're explicitly supportive of oppressive behavior and you're using supposed standing as a member of the group being targeted to give your oppressive stance credibility. Whether you actually are suffering from mental health problems or not (though I'm skeptical) is irrelevant because even if you do you're throwing other people who deal with that under the bus. So seriously, quit your bullshit.

[–]FreddyBananas -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

ur not being very cordial

[–]CordialCalamity 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

And you're not being very bananas. What's your point troll?

[–]punkswcleankitchens -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

you're using supposed standing as a member of the group being targeted

lmao oh really? That's funny because I didn't even bring it up until I was accused of being neurotypical, and I did nothing more than say it wasn't true, which it isn't. I guess I should have just lied about my medical history to give your shoddy argument a hand up. Also, I don't care if you're skeptical of me being mentally ill. Nobody assigned you to official diagnostician of r/metanarchism, especially since your view of who is Certified Mentally Ill apparently doesn't include anyone who disagrees with you.

Now can you please stop trying to assasinate my character with this horribly abused social justice discourse? It's pathetically underhanded.

[–]CordialCalamity 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're assassinating your own character and clearly don't anyone else's help with that. Honestly I have nothing left to say other than you should run along back to your reactionary friends like Ben Carson, and Yiannopoulos.

[–]Prince_Kropotkin 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't think it's cool to try to speak for everyone with mental health problems. Or for anyone to try, for that matter. I think the evidence is pretty clear that some people find it extremely damaging, which is good enough for me.

[–]punkswcleankitchens -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

And how am I doing that at all? /u/anarchothrowaway355 said I "never dealt with any serious mental issues ever" and all I said was that that wasn't true. Apparently you, a neurotypical, get to speak on behalf of all the hypothetical didabled people, but me just having my opinion and being a disabled person is "speaking for everyone".

lol prince, next time you come at me bring something better than this, I know you can do better

[–]Prince_Kropotkin 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not speaking on behalf of anyone.

Look, you said "Telling someone to kill himself is just stupid." as opposed to oppressive, and there are a lot of people in this very thread who claim to have mental health issues AND find that shit oppressive. There's obviously no consensus here, just like there's no consensus among minorities whether or not a given slur is a big deal or whatever. I mean, there's black Republicans in existence who tolerate the extreme and open racism of many of their fellow members.

You are obviously entitled to describe your own feelings about the matter but you're in effect saying that everyone in your situation should feel the way you do, despite all the people here disagreeing with you. That's why I think we should have a rule about it.

[–]punkswcleankitchens 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

you're in effect saying that everyone in your situation should feel the way you do

You are entirerly imagining that. Please, show me where I made any statement even implying that. Actually it's my opponents who are implying a consensus among disabled people, saying that if I disagree with them I must not really be disabled.

Apparently me just so much as saying that I'm disabled, after being accused of not being disabled, nothing more and nothing less, makes me the one who's speaking for everyone? This is some weapons grade projecton from an angry, dogmatic mob.

So what should I have done, sweet prince? Should I have just lied and said "yes you're right, I've never experienced mental illness!" Would that be an approproate lie to suit your narrative?

I didn't realize that my childhood spent being probed, confined and drugged by child psychiatrists was something I would have to actively deny unless I had the proper opinion.

Fucking drag me, I'm loving it

[–]Prince_Kropotkin -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

You just said "Telling someone to kill himself is just stupid." and voted to not change the rules. What else could I possibly take from that? If you meant it only personally but recognized that other people could be harmed, why wouldn't you vote for A or B? You should re-read your first comment up there and see how it sounds because what I took from it is "This isn't oppressive for anyone".

I'm not saying anything about your personal experience or mental health whatsoever, don't drag me into that. I take you at your word about that and didn't question it.

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