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SANITY SUNDAY"Male Privilege" (m.imgur.com)

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[–]Spunge14 [スコア非表示]  (64子コメント)

I wouldn't call this "Sanity Sunday."

Men have problems, women have problems. Yea, this definitely fights against a specific cohort of third-wave feminists (or "SJWs") that have an us-versus-them mentality for white males, but this type of thing just riles everyone up and propagates the "it's a competition" myth.

Male privilege is a real thing. In these particular areas, there is female privilege. They are not mutually exclusive.

[–]thelandofdreams [スコア非表示]  (63子コメント)

Male privilege is a real thing

can you seriously fucking name one? I get so tired of people spouting this nonsense.

[–]ofsinopebuttkin [スコア非表示]  (37子コメント)

U.S. Presidents - 100% male, 0% female

[–]FuzzyBaconBeardkin [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

There's only been 43 men who have been president in the history of our country. The overwhelming majority of everyone won't become president.

[–]bobthrowawaybob [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Yes, but it says something to little girls when they see that not just presidents, but the overwhelming majority of everyone in power is male.

[–]FuzzyBaconBeardkin [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

That's a very different argument, though. I'd stick with making that over 'we've never had a female president', especially because it's looking more likely every day that this will be the last year that that is true.

[–]bobthrowawaybob [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Why is it a 'very different argument.' It's a direct refutation to the guy who said that only men face gender based problems (lol). It is quite depressing as a young girl to not see any role models that look like you, in any field, be it political, scientific, or artistic. The president is only the most potent symbol of that.

[–]FuzzyBaconBeardkin [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

There are plenty of 'very potent role models' in politics who are female. Olympia Snowe, Nancy Pelosi, Tammy freaking Duckworth anyone?

Almost every woman in a position of power is absolutely incredible, as are most of our politicians in general - look past their genitals and pay attention to their accomplishments. And besides, not having an even gender split for representation is a double edged sword - there are no female Rick Santrorums lookin ridiculous on national television on a regular basis.

[–]bobthrowawaybob [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Nancy Pelosi and Tammy Duckworth hardly compare to actual Presidents in terms of power and influence. It's just a fact that the vast majority of political positions have been held by men, historically and currently, and this definitely has an effect on girls. It's easy to say that the gender of the role model doesn't matter when almost all of them share your gender. Even in so called "female dominated fields" (at least at the college level) like art and English, the majority of powerful figures are men.

[–]PokemasterTTTransgender MRA [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Women choose to not enter politics.

[–]highastronaut [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Or maybe it wasn't possible for a really long time? They couldn't even vote until 1920. So for 144 years they didn't even have that right.

[–]Galle_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Men choose to commit suicide. What's your point?

[–]shittyatmath [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Men get tend to be taken more seriously in business. In addition, men don't get accused of getting jobs and stuff because they are women.

[–]thelandofdreams [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Every time someone talks about male privilege I hear nothing but personal anecdotes.

Do you seriously think a car mechanic from El Dorado Arkansas is taken more seriously in business than a female new york attorney? It is almost as if 99% of everyday men are invisible to people who espouse the male privilege BS.

[–]shittyatmath [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Look at the breakdown of bankers on wall street and you can immediately see that this is the case. It's not news. It's also why women aren't hired as much as management consultants.

When I say business, I mean financial markets and trading and stuff. Not blue collar work.

http://www.efinancialnews.com/story/2013-05-23/female-traders-financial-services-industry

Do you seriously think a car mechanic from El Dorado Arkansas is taken more seriously in business than a female new york attorney

No, but a female new york attorney will be taken less seriously than a male new york attorney.

[–]bobojojo12 [スコア非表示]  (18子コメント)

no glass ceiling, much less sexual harassment, a lot more sexism.

I could go into more detail,

do you honestly think men are less privileged than women?

[–]thelandofdreams [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

do you honestly think men are less privileged than women?

Men have no privileges. Women have all the privilege.

Glass ceiling? WTF are you talking about? Every college in the nation is chomping at the bit to get women into the best programs that create the highest paying degrees. There are movements, programs, fundraisers, political movements to get women to the creme of the crop.

A man? Can't get that scholarship to do STEM? Whelp, off the the mechanic shop for you for the next thirty years you privileged bastard.

Sexual harassment? So let me get this straight. You want to be considered an equal right? You want me to take you seriously like I would take a man seriously? But at the same time you want my sympathy for a man mistreating you? Dudes get the shit kicked out of them at bars across the country every night and no one says jack shit about it. No one cares. There are no great social movements. If I could trade every time I've gotten my ass kicked for getting my ass pinched I would do it in a heart beat. So sorry if that particular problem doesn't arouse my sympathy. sixty years ago there were men being drafted...yes DRAFTED into the fucking army to go to foreign countries and step on land mines and get blown to bit for the protection of the country (read: the women and children). So you want me to say that men are privileged and you aren't because some guy you weren't attracted to propositioned you on the subway? Sorry.

Sexism? You mean like having to pay alimony to your wife? You mean like girls being allowed to hit you and you can't retaliate? You mean like being told that if you don't bust your ass for thirty years to support your family that you are a failure who needs to man up?

Seriously, do you people just lack a single ounce of empathy in your entire bodies?

Men have it worse than women on every measurable statistic

And yet if you even talk about this stuff, if you even TALK about these STATISTICS and FACTS, you will be written off as a neckbeard/misogynist/redpill/virgin before you can even get the words out.

So to answer your question, yes, I seriously believe that women have 99% of what you people call "privilege"

[–]lackingsaintgunkin here to reclaim the word "trigger" [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Kinda weird to lecture people on having "an ounce of empathy" when you literally just said you don't give a shit about sexual harassment. I'm sorry you get called a virgin and people beat you up a lot for some reason, but that doesn't make getting bullied in the workplace for your sex not a thing that matters.

And I wouldn't talk about how genders were treated 60 years ago when you're talking about how good women have it... Considering, verifiably, every single major profession of any consequence was completely male-dominated at that time. That didn't just happen because "women were too lazy".

[–]thelandofdreams [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Sexual harassment matters. But if you want to start society wide movements about solving gendered problems it is ridiculous to start with that particular one, and frankly makes women seem a lot more fragile and ill suited for the rough and tumble of real life.

[–]lackingsaintgunkin here to reclaim the word "trigger" [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Start with that particular one

I'm pretty sure they started with things like not being banned from voting, and being allowed to leave abusive marriages legally...

[–]thelandofdreams [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I'm pretty sure they started with things like not being banned from voting, and being allowed to leave abusive marriages legally.

Right....not with "dying in war" or "being expected to support everyone around you regardless of your happiness".

[–]lackingsaintgunkin here to reclaim the word "trigger" [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

not with "dying in war"

Despite being barred from even serving in most positions in the military (funnily enough, usually those of high rank), women have been serving in war for hundreds of years. They've provided the bulk of our nursing and support staff for many major conflicts in the last hundred-or-so years (including both World Wars), and even as fighters have been invaluable - over 56,000 female anti-air troops served in the UK military during WW2, roughly 500,000 served in the Werhmarcht. Women were disguising as men just to fight in the Civil War, and way before then. So yes, even though women were discouraged from serving in the military (it was more convenient to have them keep the home, and who would want a woman leading a unit?), even though women were not provided the facilities to enlist and work effectively as soldiers, even though women were ridiculed for having the ambition to work in the military... yes, women have fought to 'die in war' for a long time.

"being expected to support everyone around you regardless of your happiness".

This is just laughable. Yes, women have never had to worry about being forced into a lifestyle that makes them miserable. That's why I didn't literally just mention housewives having to fight for the right to leave abusive marriages. Having to fight to leave marriages, to then be widely ostracized for being a divorcee, all the while with minimal opportunities because, as I already said, most major career-fields were dominated by men.

If you truly, truly believe that historically women haven't had to worry about being pushed into lifestyles that discard their happiness, you have a depressingly limited world-view.

[–]thelandofdreams [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You brought up a lot of female issues which I absolutely recognize. If this weren't a contest I could empathize fully. But the male oppressor / female victim narrative is absolutely false, and if dismantling it means weighing the genders on scales of suffering, men come out on top every time. I wish we never had to have this discussion and that people would just recognize both genders have issues, but unfortunately we live in a world where we are lied to and told that men are privileged and women are oppressed. That is the notion that I take issue with.

[–]bobojojo12 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

movements, programs, fundraisers, political movements

That's people trying to reverse the glass ceiling, you are very short sighted, also you repeated yourself,

Dudes get the shit kicked out of them at bars across the country every night

Theyre getting beat up by other men ? And people do say shit about it ??

every time I've gotten my ass kicked

Maybe you get beat up so much beacuse you're a fuckedcunt,

So you want me to say that men are privileged and you aren't because some guy you weren't attracted to propositioned you on the subway? Sorry.

Did i even imply anything to do with the subway ? You are projecting

Men have it worse than women on every measurable statistic

Sure, every mesurabel statistic displayed on a website called 'RealSexism.com'

STATISTICS and FACTS

If THATS what you WANT to CALL them

neckbeard/misogynist/redpill/virgin

Yes, because you are probably about two of those things. or maybe you are 14, Same goes for when a woman talks about STATISTICS and FACTS on the side of feminism, she is called an SJW/Misandrist/bluepill/Landwhale.

I seriously believe that women have 99% of what you people call "privilege"

You are a caricature of your own beliefs.

You are jsut as bad as the so called 'SJWs'.

[–]thelandofdreams [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Lol, your whole reply is calling me names, implying you don't like the name of the site where the statistics come from without commenting on the statistics, parroting my style of writing (haven't heard that one since middle school btw), and blaming men for getting beat up (because if men do it to men, it isn't included in the "oppression narrative" right?)

And then you have the audacity to think this refutes anything I've said?

[–]bobojojo12 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

haven't heard that one since middle school btw)

So, yesterday ?

But fine, here's a version that wont trigger you.

movements, programs, fundraisers, political movements

That's people trying to reverse the glass ceiling, also you repeated yourself,

Dudes get the shit kicked out of them at bars across the country every night

Theyre getting beat up by other men ? And people do say shit about it ??

every time I've gotten my ass kicked

Maybe you get beat up so much beacuse you're a fuckedcunt,

So you want me to say that men are privileged and you aren't because some guy you weren't attracted to propositioned you on the subway? Sorry.

Did i even imply anything to do with the subway ?

Men have it worse than women on every measurable statistic

Sure, every measurable statistic displayed on a website called 'RealSexism.com' i say this because the name implies bias which it is. Get it ?

STATISTICS and FACTS

...

neckbeard/misogynist/redpill/virgin

Yes, because you are probably about two of those things. or maybe you are 14, Same goes for when a woman talks about STATISTICS and FACTS on the side of feminism, she is called an SJW/Misandrist/bluepill/Landwhale.

I seriously believe that women have 99% of what you people call "privilege"

You are a caricature of your own beliefs.

You are just as bad as the so called 'SJWs'.

[–]Birdorcage1 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Facts aren't your strong suit.

[–]RbnblazeNative shitlordican [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Often (not ALWAYS, want to emphasize that) looked down upon, viewed as incompetent regardless of ability, and/or harassed when working jobs in male dominated fields. Thankfully this sort of attitude is going away, not to say women don't have advantages too, like the aforementioned exclusion from having to sign the draft to vote. Both genders have been screwed over by overly strict adherence to gender roles.

[–]Spunge14 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Since I can see you're only interested in arguing pseudo-scientific, proto-societal, or logically erroneous claims, I'm not going to engage you with anything complicated.

But I can think of something that acts on the level you're considering: physical strength.

I have no doubt you have a million reasons why this is irrelevant, but if you really just want a bare bones example of a way in which men fundamentally have an advantage, baseline physical strength is one of them.

This provides myriad real-world benefits (everything from simple chores, to self defense) providing men a - hopefully to your standards - physical privilege.

Unrelatedly - you argue really defensively in all of you comments in this thread. For example, kicking off your reasoning with "this is the problem with you people" - this type of argument presumes your minority status in the situation and will enforce other people in mob mentality/group think in acting against you.

I would guess you may be a red-piller or an MRA, so to put in terms that will resonate, this is similar to the reason why "faking it until you make it" works. If you presume your argument is valid and powerful and that people should agree with you, it makes you more convincing. Instead, you are hurting your own credibility. As you look to advance your points in the future, you should keep this in mind.

[–]thelandofdreams [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Since I can see you're only interested in arguing pseudo-scientific proto-societal claims, I'm not going to engage you with anything complicated.

Not sure where you got that idea, but go ahead if you like.

physical privilege

The word "privilege" doesn't mean what you think it does.

Birds don't have "flying privilege" and sharks don't have "sharp teeth privilege"

Advantages maybe, privileges no.

Unrelatedly - you argue really defensively in all of you comments in this thread.

The whole narrative of male privilege / female oppression is one of the biggest lies of our time, pardon me if I get passionately upset about it.

his type of argument presumes your minority status in the situation and will enforce other people in mob mentality/group think in acting against you.

Fair point. I don't really care though. I come here to get this stuff off my chest because you simply aren't allowed to question the feminist narrative in real life. You are expected to bend over and let them rape you with your own privilege.