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Who is a fictional character who is depicted as good but who's actually shitty? (self.AskReddit)

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[–]hmtheman8908 153ポイント154ポイント  (19子コメント)

Snape. I don't understand how so many people can just forgive him for years of assholary/crimes because they think he was in "love" with Lily Potter. The guy had a crush that grew into something disgusting. He made his own choices, and things went to shit because of the consequences of his actions.

He willing aided Voldemort by joining his Death Eaters, and then gave vital information to Tommy concerning "a chosen one" destined to defeat him. Results of those actions were the Potter, and the Longbottom tragedies. He asked Tommy to spare Lily only so he could have the chance to swoop in on the grieving woman and take advantage of the assault that would leave her alone in the world.

This is where I don't believe he really loved her, he was obsessed with the idea of loving her, I mean if you genuinely love someone you'd want them to be happy/whole even if it's not with you. Snape didn't even give a shit that he was going to be an accomplice to the murder of an infant and a father, so long as he got what he wanted.

Then the guy spends the next several years abusing his position in Hogwarts, mistreating/bullying/abusing students, stirring the pot of discontent between the houses, and generally being a cunt to everyone because his life didn't turn out how he wanted. And as we all know he took particular care to ridicule, and belittle a child he helped orphan. One of the the most disturbing acts Snape committed was in the flashback when he stole the page written by Lily, and the family photo of the three Potters. He ripped it in two, leaving the portion with James and Harry on the floor, while he kept the portion with a smiling/laughing Lilly.

Sorry about the length.

[–]zombiegamer723 27ポイント28ポイント  (18子コメント)

Snape had no problem with his boss going around killing babies. But killing the woman he was crushing on in high school and lost because of his own poor life choices? Now he defects back to the good guys and wants to do right.

One of the (many, many) scenes I'm sad they left out of the movies was during Snape's memories when Dumbledore straight up calls him out on this. "You disgust me."

Actually, the movies really leave out how much of an asshole he really is...like that bit in GOF where Malfoy jinxes Hermione's teeth to grow much bigger (something she's already sensitive about), and Snape just mocks her and makes her cry.

[–]as-wichita-falls -2ポイント-1ポイント  (17子コメント)

But killing the woman he was crushing on in high school and lost because of his own poor life choices? Now he defects back to the good guys and wants to do right.

That's not true. Why do people keep saying this? The night Lily died was the night of Voldemort's downfall since he then turned his wand on Harry. Keeping that in mind:

"Dumbledore had got to his feet. ‘I have given evidence already on this matter,’ he said calmly. ‘Severus Snape was indeed a Death Eater. However, he rejoined our side before Lord Voldemort’s downfall and turned spy for us, at great personal risk. He is now no more a Death Eater than I am.’"

The Goblet of Fire, Chapter 30: The Pensieve

EDIT: since people are having trouble understanding this...

Dumbledore said Snape changed sides before Voldemort's downfall, which was literally the death of Lily (and the resulting survival of Harry), which means Snape changed sides before her death.

EDIT 2: /u/FuturologyDiscussion edited their comment to say something different and pretended they didn't. Luckily for me, I still had it up on my laptop after I had switched to mobile (screenshot below). Weak.

http://i.imgur.com/spcKjUT.png

[–]FuturologyDiscussion 6ポイント7ポイント  (16子コメント)

People keep saying this because Snape knew what he was signing on for when he joined the death eaters originally. He chose to be a part of a murdering, torturing allegory for Naziism/Gestapo.

The ONLY reason he "rejoined our side before Voldemort's downfall" and worked to end it was because of the threat of death of a woman with whom he was obsessed. He was not noble, he was not honorable, he was one of the most selfish people in the series.

EDIT: Since this one person can't understand a basic timeline

Snape works for Voldemort. Snape helps him achieve his goals which include blackmail, extolling the virtues of bloodlines, torture, abduction, and murder. A boy is prophesied to be born at the end of July who will overthrow Voldemort which Snape overhears. Snape tells Voldemort. Snape realizes Voldemort will kill Lilly and turns. Lilly is murdered anyway.

EDIT 2: This person is crazy. Like, insane. Still has YET to talk about the fact that Snape decided to be a full on death eater and support Voldemort. Their argument is SO weak that they have now resorted to declaring that things were said that weren't said. Using a straw man argument. Meta.

EDIT 3: Now this insane-o, rather than admit Snape was an allegory-nazi, has now fabricated false evidence to say that I said some technicality they could argue rather than the actual issue. Insane. I've never seen obsession like this before except maybe Snape himself

[–]DuneBug 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Snape absolutely was a terrible guy, but I don't blame him one bit for it. His childhood was terrible and his only friend ends up marrying the guy who bullied him through grade school. Snapes your Columbine kid for Harry Potter land.

Well, Snape might have had other friends in slitherin but probably not many.

Besides all that, a lot of people help out the bad guys in HP in fear of their lives or families. I think that's worse than doing it just because nobody gave you a reason to like humanity.

[–]AdvocateForTulkas [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

... You do realize that most awful folks have reasons for being awful right? I think you're confusing explanations and excuses.

[–]as-wichita-falls -4ポイント-3ポイント  (12子コメント)

Dumbledore said Snape changed sides before Voldemort's downfall, which was literally the death of Lily (and the resulting survival of Harry), which means Snape changed sides before her death.

Are you saying Dumbledore lied?

[–]FuturologyDiscussion 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

Snape did turn before Voldemort's downfall. He only turned when Lilly was threatened though. Immediately before she was murdered. If Voldemort had decided to kill Neville instead would Snape have turned? I doubt it.

I don't see how you aren't seeing this.

The hundreds of OTHER people being tortured and murdered didn't bother him. Only Lilly being threatened.

[–]HowdyDoodlyDoo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If Voldemort had decided to kill Neville instead would Snape have turned? I doubt it.

Well, he would have, because Voldemort would have went to kill Harry after Neville, just to make sure.

[–]as-wichita-falls -2ポイント-1ポイント  (9子コメント)

Ah, so now you agree that he changed sides before her death. That directly contradicts your previous statement that he changed sides because of her death.

But in any case, thanks for admitting that I'm right.

[–]FuturologyDiscussion 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

Don't know what you're talking about. I said he changed because of the "threat of death".

[–]as-wichita-falls 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Dude, you edited your comment.

That did not say "threat of death". It said "death".