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[–]zomboi 95ポイント96ポイント  (13子コメント)

I am sorry for what you went thru but...

I think you are mixing up the terms "gay man" and "pedophile". Most gay men are not people that sexually abuse young boys. Homosexuality and pedophilia are not the same things.

[–]DrChrolz[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (12子コメント)

I agree, it was his repressed homosexuality that came out in the form of pedophilia. I heard that he had engaged in homosexual behaviour multiple times too.

[–]barnwecp 88ポイント89ポイント  (11子コメント)

Just to be 100% clear here - homosexuality and pedophelia are completely unrelated.

[–]DrChrolz[S] 39ポイント40ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I agree, he was both

[–]RotaryLector 30ポイント31ポイント  (2子コメント)

They are unrelated. He's saying that his father was gay and also a pedophile, although he isn't really sure about the homosexuality thing.

[–]suninabox 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think what Barnwecp is getting at is that the thread was named "son of a gay man" and then he went on to talk about his dad raped him when he was a kid, without making reference to any other homosexual activity, which makes it sound like thats what being gay is about.

yeah its a bit pedantic to insert into someones personal story of rape and loss, but it might be more accurate to say "son of a rapist" or "son of a pedophile"

[–]RotaryLector 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I see what you're saying! :)

[–]damn_it_so_much 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

Only as unrelated as hetrosexuality and pedophilia. If you want to keep splitting hairs.

[–]ademnus 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Which are pretty unrelated. The only link is "they both have to do with sex." Well, so do condoms and a nun's vow of celibacy but you aren't going to say "condoms and nuns are related" without sounding silly.

[–]damn_it_so_much 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

more related than nuns by even your own logic :)

[–]dashaaa -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

It seems a large number of pedos are gay though. Any reason why that may be?

[–]RadRavyn 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

... that's not true though.

[–]damn_it_so_much 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

pretty sure most of them are straight

[–]Ah-Um 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, the amount of pain everyone in your family must have gone through is unimaginable, but the way you talk about your father despite it all speaks so strongly of your character. It's people like you that make people like me have a sliver of faith in humanity. Don't ever change.

[–]failfastfailoften 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't imagine what you went through with the abuse, and I really admire the way you see your dad in a holistic way, understanding his situation but recognizing what was damaging about the way he handled it. I'm so sorry for the pain your dad, mom, and you experienced. I wish you all the joy and luck in the world.

[–]howdydoesit 40ポイント41ポイント  (31子コメント)

This looks like conjecture rather than fact about his sexuality. Sounds more like a troubled pedophile than a repressed homosexual to me.

[–]aerospeed 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

I really like how when someone finally has the guts to deal with the heavy topic of his now dead father sexually abusing him, Reddit's first instinct is to lecture him and downvote him in regards to his father's sexuality.

I'm sorry, DrChrolz. That was an awful thing to have happen to you, and I feel for you. I hope you don't for even one second blame yourself for any of it.

[–]ReginaPhilangee 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, whether your father was gay or a pedophile, none of that was your fault. Even if it felt good. Even if you initiated it. Even if you didn't protest. Even if you didn't tell anyone. He was the adult and holds ALL the blame.

[–]danthemanaus 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

OP you have been through so much in your life. What strikes me most about your post and the way you've handled yourself in the comments, is how little anger and bitterness there appears in you. I'm not sure how you've been able to manage and process all of the things you have, but you've come through so well adjusted. The second and almost as surprising thing is your compassion and forgiveness. Don't you ever underestimate what you've been through and please don't ever underestimate how well you've managed an unimaginable situation.

I hope with this post you've been able to gain some more insight into your father's life as well as some relief to get things off your chest. I hope you've been able to learn a bit more about sexuality, paedophilia and child abuse. They are all complex areas and in truth, we're all still learning most of our lives.

If you're interested in my opinion here it is in point form:

  • You were sexually abused. Children who are used by adults for their sexual gratification are abused. Even if you gained some sexual arousal from the experiences, it was never a two way street (which I was worried you implied with your choice of the word 'arrangement').

  • Generally speaking society has mixed and confused definitions for the topics. I don't know if your dad was gay, straight, bi. A paedophile is a person who is sexually attracted to children but is everyone who sexually abuses children a paedophile? I know that majority of sexual abuse occurs in the home of the children by people they know, by people who are related, e.g. new BF, new husband of the child's mother.

  • You've not really given enough information to know whether your dad was gay, bi. You have implied that everyone 'knew', is that because he had stereotypical mannerisms for a gay man? Not all men who are effeminate are gay though.

I also hope you're beginning to realise that sexual orientation is not related to paedophilia, and that sexual orientation is not about who you actually sleep with. For example, you may be a gay man attracted to other men but have never had sex with a man. Some married men are in this situation and may never have sex with another man in their lifetime but still consider themselves 'gay'.

OP, it's hard for anyone who's sexually abused but even more so for men. Men typically don't want to express their feelings. Also sometimes there's shame with what has happened, that's it's slight against their 'masculinity' their 'manhood'. Sexual abuse from a family member also has the added complication that the children often still feel conflicted, still love their abusing parent. It oftens tears families apart with the victim often blaming themselves. I want you to know that you were never to blame for what happened and it's okay to have mixed feelings or feelings of love for your father today.

If you think it would be beneficial for you there are professional counsellors who can help or perhaps an online support group. I just want you to know that you are an amazing man and you're a survivor. You might not feel that way but from our perspective, you are an amazing man. Best wishes OP.

TL;DR - adult survivor of sexual abuse, no bitterness or anger, well adjusted and still compassionate towards the parent who offended against him. sexuality is not related to paedophilia. sexuality is not who you physically sleep with. Not sure if dad was gay. Find support if necessary.

edit: grammar

[–]DrChrolz[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks dan the man for that comprehensive reply. You've helped me paint a clearer picture of my father than I previously had. Very informative read. Maybe My father was just a bundle of different aspects of society that we have trouble defining and it became difficult to pinpoint that one label I could put on my dad (to use as subject on reddit).

[–]erikohann 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You sound like you have a really good head on your shoulders.

[–]buried_my_bone 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You have a big heart

[–]abaddamn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

0.0 I'm gay and can't believe what is this.

Shame you went through all this with your father. I would have felt extremely uncomfy myself and gotten lost but kudos to you for keeping your sanity.

Homosexual urges are different to pedo urges. I like guys but I am totally not interested in any guy younger than 21. Even if they're from HS it just doesn't sit well with me. But a sexy man from 25 onwards damn.

[–]guitarallday 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damn dude. Good on you for not holding intense hatred for him, because that's what I would do.

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[–]Peach_Muffin -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah I'd stop apologizing for him seriously. I don't understand why you're not livid that this happened to you.

Please don't try and minimise what he is - a pedophile - by saying "he just had repressed homosexuality". No. That's not how it works, and is insulting to gay men.

[–]DrChrolz[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't help but apologize for him, although he was relentless in his abuse and I hate him for that. And I'm not condoning his actions but simply trying to understand the links between the various aspects of his sexuality. And it shouldn't be offensive to gay men because I'm not lobbing the two communities together in general, just in my father's case I felt they were linked but clearly reddit showed me the weren't