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[–]Draycos559This is my thinking face 0ポイント1ポイント  (13子コメント)

Well considering literally nothing in the comic was even remotely related to being gay outside of "faggot" I'd say it's a reclamation in changing it from a word used to insult homosexuals to just a general use insult. Bogo isn't insulting Nick for any perceived gay qualities, it's for being smug and making a face. Only people making a connection to its use as an insult against gays are those unwilling to move beyond the past.

[–]nota999Writer: The Campaign 1ポイント2ポイント  (12子コメント)

You have to consider why the word is insulting. This is no different than using "gay" to mean "bad", then saying that because you didn't mean "homosexual" that the usage doesn't promote a negative association for gay people.

[–]Draycos559This is my thinking face 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

And you have to consider context. The usage can't promote a association to gays and/or gay behavior if neither are even in the comic.

[–]nota999Writer: The Campaign 2ポイント3ポイント  (10子コメント)

It can and does because there is not a single person in this thread ignorant of what the f-slur means. The comic doesn't have to say "this is about gay people" for it to perpetuate the association.

[–]Draycos559This is my thinking face 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

Just because there is an association doesn't mean the comic itself is perpetuating the association. Again, the comic in no way associates "faggot" with gays, much less if they're good or bad. The only people reinforcing the association are those complaining about the past association.

[–]nota999Writer: The Campaign 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

It is impossible to not associate the f-slur with gay people. That is like saying that a comic that uses the n-slur as an insult without referring directly to race doesn't associate it with black people.

[–]Draycos559This is my thinking face 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Well certainly not with that attitude. You're giving up on reclaiming "faggot" before even trying. What would have happened if Judy decided it was impossible to not associate bunnies as harmless? Word associations were made to be broken as language evolved. As I'm sure you're well aware, "faggot" used to mean something completely different. It's not a stretch to imagine it can change again.

[–]nota999Writer: The Campaign 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

This isn't reclamation, though. This is using the already negative connotations of the f-slur to denigrate other people and things by associating them with homosexuality. Reclamation is different. Reclamation is taking the word and making it positive, which is a separate issue. This doesn't break the association, this exploits it.

[–]Draycos559This is my thinking face 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Nothing in the comic suggests associating smugness with homosexuality. Changing "faggot" from an insult against gays to just an insult makes the job easier, just have to break the association with gays. Reclamation just means making the word not offensive. A general insult isn't offensive to any individual group.

[–]nota999Writer: The Campaign 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

The problem with this type of "reclamation" for the f-slur is that the reality of its continued use against gay men. All people do by using it as a broad insult is normalize it, not weaken it. Even if people don't mean it to hurt any gay men who may be nearby, what it does is establish that the particular environment is not safe.

And regardless of whether it is reclaimed by the LGBT community, that doesn't make it okay to use in mixed company. Take the n-slur. Some parts of the African American community have reclaimed it, but that doesn't make it okay for it to be used in mixed company or by people outside of those communities.