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1 in 50 British men are unknowingly raising a child which isn't theirs, research suggests (independent.co.uk)

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[–]Furchfurch 105ポイント106ポイント  (76子コメント)

It is perfectly legal in the UK for a presumed father to DNA test his children with or without the mothers consent. £99 testing kit in Boots £89 on line. If you have any doubts you are welcome to test your children

[–]FoeHammer7777 49ポイント50ポイント  (75子コメント)

For a DNA test, sure. But how long does the not-father have to disown their not-child and no longer have to pay for him? What about restitution from the mother?

[–]Furchfurch 57ポイント58ポイント  (68子コメント)

Well there is a bit of history here: Having a child is deemed by the courts to be a pleasure and a privilege so: You can have DNA test as soon as the child is born. You do not have to pay Child support if the child is not yours BUT Generally you cannot claim back Child support if you have already paid it to the mother.

It is a case of buyer beware.

Some men do not want to know if they are the father or not. Some men are happy to pay for a child that is not theirs.

There is no time limit on when you can do DNA test and dispute parentage. Mostly it happens when their is a divorce.

The father and the man who pays child support is always the biological father. Married or not.

We do not have paternity fraud as such in the UK since a father can always legally DNA test his children with or without the mothers consent. The truth is entirely up to the father,.

So I think we have it right in the UK.

[–]latingamer1 8ポイント9ポイント  (12子コメント)

What about sperm banks? Aren't the men that go there biological fathers? Are there laws that account for that?

[–]Furchfurch 18ポイント19ポイント  (11子コメント)

Provided a sperm sample is donated at a registered sperm bank then a man is exempt from all child support.

PRIVATE ARRANGEMENT:

If a sample is given by way of a private arrangement between a man and a woman then the man is responsible for child support and he is the the biological father.

[–]latingamer1 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

Thanks!

[–]Nezaus [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

I hear France the figure is 1 in 4 or maybe even as high as 1 in 3, infidelity and cheating are part of French life it would seem...the government of France decided to make DNA testing illegal because it came to the conclusion society would collapse if all the native French men found out the kid ain't theirs. Mistresses can't claim for child support either ...so the French government logic punishes both sexes. ..and the only ones popping out kids in France are the A-rabs

[–]Furchfurch [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes the French system is crazy. The UK system works because of advances in science and the law recognises this: DNA.

It is not about men getting off "scot free" it is about linking children with their true biological fathers and also recognising that a person is responsible for their actions including any resulting children.

I think the UK, Australian, German, Danish Swedish etc etc is the correct way. I do suspect more USA states will go down this route, some have.

[–]GlaxoJohnSmith [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Is that 1 in 4 French men or 1/4th of the French population?

Either way, that seems kind of high even for France.

[–]kiloi [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Do you even think before writing such absurdity or are you really just that stupid ???

Last year when a similar study was published for France, the conclusion was that the figures could reach 1 in 30 not 1 in 3 !

[–]BiggestFloppiestDick [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I agree this isn't the case, I mean, maybe in 1950? French women are wayyyyyyy less hot these days

[–]Furchfurch [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I do not think men and women are that different in any western culture.

[–]Slinkyfest2005 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Given my last couple trips, I politely but vehemently disagree.

Got nothing on Sweden though.

[–]Earthborn92 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is all very logical. I believe France has polar opposite laws on this. The UK laws seem very fair.

Additional question: what if rape is involved somehow? What if the biological father had died?

[–]Furchfurch [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If a man rapes a woman then the woman is offered morning after pills at the Police station or she can get them at a chemist. If it was a genuine rape then it would be strange for her to decline the pills. If a man is convicted of rape which resulted in the birth of a child, the woman has a right to not have him named as the father if she does not want to.

As for death:

If the man dies he is still the biological father. The child would be entitled to some of the mans wealth (in the will) potentially.

[–]CDXXRoman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

In the US if you claim the child for long enough then its your responsibility.

Its going to be up to a judge and he's obligated to do what's best for the child. Courts hate making children bastards.

[–]Tripoteur [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

We do not have paternity fraud as such in the UK since a father can always legally DNA test his children with or without the mothers consent. The truth is entirely up to the father,.

That's really messed up.

Just because you can legally check if it's true or not doesn't mean it's OK for some monstrous woman to lie to you and tell you she's pregnant with your child.

It should totally be fraud.

Man, these laws. And people ask me why I don't want a girlfriend...

[–]Furchfurch [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Not really because the man can always test if he wants. You cannot make it compulsory to test, lots of men do not want to know, and the woman might not genuinely know who the father is. Men sleep around as well so you cannot just blame women. Ignorance is bliss for many. Say the woman was at an orgy the father could be one of several.

[–]Kasper-X-Hauser [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Okay, say it's NOT your kid, but you've paid for a period. Can you trade it in and credit some credit for your next one?

[–]Furchfurch [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

No. Anything you have paid goes to the mother not the state. It is a fathers right to DNA test his children so if he has doubts and he wants to test he can. But he cannot test when the Kid is 14 and then ask for a refund for all the years he has paid money to the mother. That is his stupidity, loss.

[–]Kasper-X-Hauser [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I knot kids are mine. My wife can point out my specific flaws that each inherited.

[–]Furchfurch [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

In the UK most men go along with it and do not DNA test, even though it is really cheap and easy. If you get divorced then most men do a DNA test since we are talking big money that you will have to pay out for child support. Also what is the reason for the divorce. Lots of statistics on this are based on 20% of people who ask for a DNA test are found not to be the father. But only men who have doubts ask for a test so it is very misleading.

[–]TheAngryGoat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So I think we have it right in the UK.

It could certainly be worse. However fucked up the legal system is in this country when it comes to these things, it's at least not as bad as in the US, where rape victims can be forced to pay tens of thousands to their rapists to pay for the rape baby.

[–]dfskdafhasdf -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

The credited response is that once the father throws the mother and baby off a cliff he is free from financial burden

[–]Furchfurch 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Didn't she throw him and the child off a cliff when she cheated?