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Leaving out Mourinho and Giggs, which other current Manager can get us competing for a TITLE next year with this squad (and a 100 million summer kitty) (self.reddevils)

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If we had a 100 million kitty, is that enough to compete for a title next year, no rebuilding or none of that nonsense. Straight up, compete for a title next season.

Just to pre-empt anyone, Of course SAF could do so, but I'm interested in currently working managers.

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[–]NickDoc1990 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sean Dyche

[–]mufctezSchweinsteiger 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

Gary Megson, Phil Brown, Joe Kinnear, Kevin Keegan, Tim Sherwood, Paul Ince, Remi Garde

[–]opacino[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shout out to Joe Kinnear!

[–]Speed_Junkie 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Carver???

[–]MisterAlexL 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

That goes without saying. He's the best coach in England!

[–]Nath99Martial 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

England the World

[–]NestledrinkHerrera 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

John Carver?

[–]IDespot90Martial 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Allegri

[–]LDN2016 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why? He's had a decade of incredibly average management in the league and has never showed he can make a squad play better than the sum of its parts.

Turned a champion Milan team into a lower half of the table team when he no longer had Zlatan and T. Silva saving his arse.

He's much more of an ego manager than someone who can turn these players into champions. He's the sort of guy you bring in when you have a superstar quad and want someone fairly hands off who makes sure the squad doesn't descend into infighting.

Also 0 experience managing outside Serie A.

[–]IDespot90Martial -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

U are so delusional did u even check what u write, what champion Milan where they where before him then when team stop buying players and sell their not only best stars but world class players if u are so smart where would be United without De Hea since that is level of player they lost u expect them to be champions please .... U talk about ego like what that has to do with anything. His superstar squad got to finals of CL and almost if not for luck won vs Bayern even they invested much less than those teams plus Italy league is weak but still present good challenge to them. Then what is Guardiola if not guy who got superstar squad but none want to complain about him oh no he is perfect so good he cant get to same final Allegi did last year with stronger team. 0 experience is pointless thing to bring since many managers proven it has no big effect in general.

[–]House_Of_LannisterLVG 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Neville

[–]xtphty 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is only 1 man for the job http://imgur.com/aJu7sNV.jpeg

[–]manudevil7Beckham 1ポイント2ポイント  (14子コメント)

Allegri, Simeone, Klopp, and Ancelotti.

[–]StannisJrScholesy 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

All unrealistic

[–]LDN2016 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

Simeone aside I don't think a single one of them wins the league with a 100 million budget.

I don't mind defensive football but people bitching about the ugly style of play would lose their minds if we played like Atletico.

Ancelotti and Klopp don't exactly have very good records winning leagues. I'd be shocked if Liverpool make top 4 next season.

[–]TudoorsYoung -4ポイント-3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Liverpool will get top 4 next season, I'm unfortunately sure of it. Klopp is an excellent manager at working with the kind of squad he has at Liverpool. He adds one or two players with some quality and they will be taking their chances which they create a ton of in matches. I hate to say it, but Klopp has turned this Liverpool team into one that absolutely nobody wants to play against.

[–]LDN2016 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

Klopp has turned this Liverpool team into one that absolutely nobody wants to play against.

You can say similar things about Pulis. Unpleasant pressing doesn't make a great team. He took years to do anything useful with Mainz or Dortmund, he's never been a short term fix his entire career.

He also relegated a ridiculously talented Mainz team and almost relegated an incredible Dortmund team. A squad that's having the best season in 2 decades now that Tuchel's in charge.

I think Klopp's the most overrated manager in world football. He plays dinosaur tactics.

[–]TudoorsYoung -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Gigenpress is his tactic which he single handedly perfected. It's not a dinosaur tactic, far from it.

This same argument you're using to discredit Klopp is exactly the same one you can use to discredit Mourinho. Mourinho was poor in his first years too, and he was in the same position with Chelsea which Klopp was in at Dortmund. But people look past both of those performances because of what they've done positively.

Klopp is a good man motivator, and his side usually peaks into his second and third years in charge, like at Dortmund. Pulis doesn't press, he parks the bus and tries to smash and grab a 1-0 victory. If you are not at your best against Klopp, he will make sure to punish your every mistake and beat you hands down. Liverpool while they are deficient now is not necessarily because of him, other than Coutinho, Clyne, and one or two other outfield players, I can't see past a pub team tbh. A very fit pub team however. Klopp isn't the long term option either, but he is the kind of manager who will make them good into his second year.

Klopp in my opinion is fairly rated, the British media loves him though so they do tend to make him sound better than he perhaps is.

[–]LDN2016 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gigenpress is his tactic which he single handedly perfected.

Did you start watching football in 2013? Aggressive pressing in 2 banks of 4 is as old as football itself. Klopp's said on record he's modelled his version on Sacchi's system - a system which dropped in popularity for good reason, it's incredibly easy to shut down by parking the bus or via quick passing.

Something almost every single team figured out the season he crashed Mainz and Dortmund and he couldn't rely on individual brilliance to bail him out.

Talk to any Dortmund fan and they'll tell you in great detail how tactically archaic Klopp was. It's literally direct, kick and rush football.

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Mourinho was poor in his first years too

What?

Season 1: Immediate Results

He was a revelation at União de Leiria in his first season, he took this tiny team to 3rd place which is why all 3 top Portuguese clubs tried to sign him. They were looking like they could make a title push when Porto poached him. The squad wasn't very good either, they dropped down the table when he left in Jan.

Porto signed him midway through the season late Jan.

He took over when Porto were 5th, dead last in their CL group and rescued their season with immediate results (11 wins, 2 draws, 2 losses).

Season 2: Won the Treble

  • Won the league easily, 11 points clear of 2nd place. Broke the all time Portuguese league record for most points by a team.

  • Won the UEFA Cup beating Celtic in the final.

  • Won the domestic cup

Season 3: Won the Champions League

  • Won the league again

  • Won the Champions League

Season 4: Chelsea

  • Won the league easily, 12 points clear of 2nd place. Broke the all time English league record for most points by a team.

Season 5: Chelsea

  • Won the league again

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Klopp's first 10 seasons:

  • 0 league titles, 0 cups.

  • 1 relegation.

  • Failed to get them promoted back up to the Bundesliga the next season. Then quit with them still in languishing in the 2nd division.

[–]manudevil7Beckham -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree, but I was answering OP's question.

[–]opacino[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I wasn't a big fan of Allegri because of his treatment of Pirlo at Milan, but I am quite impressed with how he turned around a shaky start at Juve, and has kept Juve competitive. I don't think we could realistically get him since he just got there.

[–]manudevil7Beckham 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

We cannot get any of these managers. The best option is Mourinho.

[–]LDN2016 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

It doesn't really matter whether or not we can get them.

None of them are as good as Mourinho.

Even if they're available we would be incredibly stupid to pass on Mourinho to sign them.

[–]manudevil7Beckham 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Trust me, mate. I know. I am the biggest advocate for Mourinho on this sub.

[–]JeSuivreLouis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually I don't think you are. I Think nikolaï759 is bigger for instance.

[–]tapeewa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Since you mentioned giggs, my sunday league manager.

[–]Yeahthatsnotright5Herrera 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Am I drunk right now or this dude just said 100 million kitty, wtf is a kitty, man, you goddamn pussy, say pesos motherfucker.

[–]enwhykiidMemphis 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Blanc, maybe?

[–]manudevil7Beckham 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Blanc has no control of his team. His RB is saying disrespectful comments towards him, then, I remember once, he tried to sub off David Luiz, and David Luiz refused to be subbed. I couldn't believe it.

[–]SoFuLLEricTheKing 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're absolutely right. I'm french so I follow ligue 1 carefully. Blanc had a great season when he won the title with Bordeaux, but was fortunate to have an incredible season from Gourcuff (seriously, he was walking on water that season). But appart from that his management of the French national side was downright terrible, he would repeatedly call up players with terrible attitudes such as Menez, Ribéry, Nasri. He's very fortunate to have an incredible side with PSG but when big games arrive his tactical and human management limitations (evident against city this week) shine

[–]opacino[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I remember once, he tried to sub off David Luiz, and David Luiz refused to be subbed.

Lol. Did this really happen. Ridiculous!

[–]opacino[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Blanc is an interesting option but he hasn't impressed me with his CL exploits with PSG. I think some other managers may have been able to win a CL with PSG or at least semis, and it's largely looking like they will get knocked out by City again in the QF. So yea. It's interesting. I like the fact that he has assimilated Di Maria seamlessly and the style of play is good. He is also fortunate that he has Abu Dhabi money and can splurge for talent.

[–]ReflectingGodMata 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

His record isn't that bad with PSG in the Champions League, this is only his third year as manager. First season PSG weren't the same side they are today and went out to a good Chelsea side under Mou. The season after he went out to the eventual winners.

I wouldn't say its likely that City will go through but they did play a good match the other day and often people forget just how good the City squad is. Regardless I still favor PSG to go through and I imagine most others do also. But in the case that they don't, it wouldn't be a massive disaster, anything can happen over two legs afterall.

[–]popcornelephant 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ancelotti?

[–]TrickyxoneMemphis -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

No one, we need 3 or 4 ready made WC players to finish the squad off, that's a couple of hundred million at least.

[–]shadowbanned32 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well we certainly need a CB a CM partner for Schneiderlein and a RW. I agree that would cost more than 100m if we buy proven world class players

[–]JeSuivreLouis -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stick with LvG

[–]m_aadhilSmaldini -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think Poch could get us there in two years.

[–]crystalcatacombsPaul Scholes -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

pochetino

[–]dleazzzRooney -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

What you guys think about Claudio ranieri? I think this is very risky, as he has never managed a top club before but idk..

[–]NikoG88 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Used to manage chelsea, roma, and im probably forgetting one

[–]opacino[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Monaco, Juventus, Valencia,

[–]opacino[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm surprised no one (yet) is mentioning Ranieri. Even with all the praise Pochettino is getting, praise for Ranieri has been strangely absent.

[–]CalimariaeSolskjaer 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh come on.

He's a 64 year old man who has managed for 30 years and this season will be the highlight of his career.

[–]House_Of_LannisterLVG 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty impressive highlight

[–]opacino[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you're being unfair to Ranieri. He has a serious eye for Talent. He built the spine for Chelsea: Makelele, Gallas, Lampard, John Terry, even identified Drogba and Robben. Or what about our own Martial who he signed from Lyon for a pittance.

Anyone that can take Leicester on this incredible run deserves a lookout. Don't tell me the manager doesn't deserve credit for that. If that was LVG or Pochettino managing Leicester, people would be calling them Messiahs.

Part of the problem with Ranieri's Legacy is that he keeps on getting close (coming 2nd) but not winning anything. He came second with Chelsea to Arsenal's invicibles. He came second at Roma to Inter's treble winning team. He came second at Monaco to PSG. So yea he's a bit of a second man, and yea he's had some duds in between, but he deserves a bit more respect. He plays very attacking football, but I guess he's always more of a risk since he hasn't really won anything significant. Leicester might change that though for him.

[–]opacino[S] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'll throw out another name, a bit radical: Pellegrini?

Someone who will be without a job at the end of this season and with a point to prove perhaps, his teams play very attacking football, maybe not as flexible in setting up, but has experience in the EPL, generally a calm guy.

[–]TrickyxoneMemphis 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Have you been drinking, his present team which is stacked with WC players a lot of them having been there for a few years, £140m+ on 3 players last summer while we're still rebuilding an entire squad on a less net spend and they're 1 point above us SMH.

[–]StannisJrScholesy 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Imagine how embarrassing that would be. Taking City's fucking leftovers. Fuck that. He's not even that good anyway, their squad has been under-performing all season.

[–]LDN2016 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

He has the same record as us with a squad 10 times better.

How the fuck can someone say LvG isn't doing well enough with this lot and then suggest Pellers?