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[–]LogicChick 133ポイント134ポイント  (10子コメント)

Self administering hormones bought off the internet while simultaneously trying to publically change from one person to another and retiring from the thing that made you famous then basing your self worth on your online followers.

What could possibly go wrong?

Celebrity isn't a career and this person needs help.

[–]blackfiredragon13 43ポイント44ポイント  (1子コメント)

Self administering hormones bought off the internet

I'm willing to bet that is a major factor in her breakdown. Transgender or not, you seriously shouldn't be doing something like self administering anything serious without the advice of a doctor. I'm not even going to go into the risks of the "bought off the internet" bit, partly because I have no way of knowing where she got them from.

The hormones she gave herself would've almost surely given her severe mood swings, depression and similar problems. That's why you're supposed to consult a medical professional for this sort of thing, because it's their job to figure out the specific hormones/medication to take and the dosage/time you should be taking them at.

Everything else you referred to in your post were almost definitely caused by the hormones. I'm not one to gamble but that's what I'd bet my money on.

[–]RobertNAdams [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm being treated for a chronic condition. I've worked my way through all of the "easy" medicine (that didn't work) and now I'm on to the stuff with nasty side effects and a warning/interaction sheet longer than my phone bill. Half the stuff says "Hey, you're gonna need monthly blood tests and regular consultation with your doctor."

We don't have any magic panaceas that heal you with no ill side effects.

[–]snizlefoot 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

Also some of the trans communities are toxic as hell, making pepole think everyone but them are scarry chasers or biggots, pro self medding, anti self inprovement (you don't have a job and don't go outside? that's A'ok let's blame in on disphoria and never work on it) they p much never push people to learn a skill, only push for people to chaturbate to make money.

Also they can be both hug boxes and caddy bully communitys at the same time.

When one of my friends from the uk wanted to transition, they p much said "good job" while I had to look up average wait times for the NHS and other things to help her come up with a plan of action.

[–]050607 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Self administering hormones bought off the internet

Wow, that's like performing a major operation in your home after reading "How To" guide online. That shit will change your life, go to a bloody doctor for that.

[–]MissKhary 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ugh considering my huge mood swings just from my regular monthly cycles, and remembering how much I cried when pregnant and post-partum, I can only imagine how much of a hell it would be to take those extra hormones. Everything would be setting me off and I'd feel completely raw and bare.

[–]FoolishGuacBowl [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

SJWs act as if once a person transitions, all their previous problems magically disappear. That's just demonstrably not the case.

[–]Lightning_Shade 83ポイント84ポイント  (58子コメント)

She's a cofounder of SpeedRunsLive, too. And she's so broken down now? That's really sad. I wish her the best of luck.

[–]Leoofmoon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think she may need to unplug for some time and get some help/relax for a time.

[–]tinkertoy78 180ポイント181ポイント  (61子コメント)

Don't know her. But this person needs to turn off the internet and seek help/counseling.

Unfortunately it seems more likely that she'll check the good and bad online feedback to this, which will lead to no resolution either way.

[–]petey1214 54ポイント55ポイント  (7子コメント)

Formerly CosmoWright, if that name rings a bell. Now Narcissa. Pretty sure she was the one who more or less founded the GDQ conventions.

EDIT: Narcissa didn't found GDQ, although she's participated in them and raised a lot of money at them. She founded SRL. Thanks, /u/Atratus

[–]Dparse 41ポイント42ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh shit this is Cosmo? Cosmo is legendary, best wishes indeed

[–]petey1214 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Indeed. Sad story.

[–]SadCrittersSadCritters used logic. It's super-effective! [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah. She stepped back some because of hand/wrist issues if I remember correctly. I used to watch a lot.

[–]Mefistofeles1 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wait what?! This is Cosmo?!

Holy crap, I didn't recognize him. Guy is a legend. Or, I guess she is a girl now. In any case, fucking legend.

[–]Atratus 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

That would be Mike Uyama. Narcissa made Speed Runs Live

[–]WilDMousE 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Holy shit no! the one and only cosmo, one of the best speedrunners, still remember the zelda OOT record video, so amazing... T_T

[–]raze2012Noticed by senpai! 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

(un?)Fortunately, life isn't a speedrun. Nor should it be. If it is net stuff stressing her out, then she needs to unplug and get RL support. she's not gonna be forgotten if she takes a few months to herself.

[–]WilDMousE 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, her achievements tho will be remembered! the hype on the OOT world record was amazing

[–]Nex201 37ポイント38ポイント  (2子コメント)

So many ahegaos

[–]FeierInMeinHose 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

Specifically from a single artist, who I also happen to be a fan of.

If you want more of his work, NSFW obviously, google Hirame Sensei

[–]Nex201 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh I recognize the artists ;)

[–]Chris23235[S] 94ポイント95ポイント  (75子コメント)

I really hope she gets all the help that she needs.

[–]Sir_Roach 29ポイント30ポイント  (71子コメント)

I agree, But what happened? What can we do to help?

[–]tinkertoy78 32ポイント33ポイント  (42子コメント)

Tell her to stop being online for a while. She clearly needs to step away from it and sort herself out.

[–]Meowsticgoesnya0018-1877-0794 3DS Friend code, remember to give me yours 30ポイント31ポイント  (27子コメント)

You can read her tweets and see. Ever since she came out as trans she's been been sent constant hate messages and threats.

[–]tinkertoy78 36ポイント37ポイント  (22子コメント)

she is saying "You win, my streams are forced and bad, lacking former passion"

I don't see her saying it's due to being trans. You know something beyond what she tweets?

[–]Bottleroach 29ポイント30ポイント  (14子コメント)

Did some Google searching. Along with the transition, she's stopped speedrunning as well. http://archive.is/3bcgO. https://twitter.com/narcissawright/status/717410967991296001. Apparently, she announced her transition with a tweet, no video, no blog post or anything like that.

Just seems like a pretty extreme overall change compared to what she's known for. I'm going to be business-like and cold. The sudden and quick transition in terms of both identity and activity would have definitely angered a portion of her viewer base. I don't think there was a plan to weed out said angry viewers while regaining more positive ones either (if that's even possible). I'm going to assume she has never been a controversial figure either before the transition.

So it would seem the following months have been battling whatever entails with sex transitioning, her audience hating on her even to this day (both for content and transition), with no plan on how to move forward.

[–]zanezavin123 60ポイント61ポイント  (11子コメント)

as a note, the transition had no doctor oversight, no psychological screening, etc., using estrogen purchased off the internet. i wouldn't be the least bit surprised if this breakdown is related to lack of medical help in some form(unsafely upping dosages or something). i still hope for the best in all this, it's been sad watching one of my favorite internet celebs spiral the past year

[–]thipp 30ポイント31ポイント  (1子コメント)

as a note, the transition had no doctor oversight, no psychological screening, etc., using estrogen purchased off the internet.

Oh my. That's fucked up. I hope she seeks the professional help she clearly needs.

[–]zanezavin123 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

i remember tuning into the stream one day to see narc huffing down soy, too, by the pound. like, unironically a crazy unhealthy amount, probably from a desire to feminize faster. and if that's the case, a self-upped estrogen dose is pretty likely.

[–]Bottleroach 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

That sounds insane to me. She definitely needs professional help asap.

[–]A_fellow 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's very expensive, speaking from personal experience. It's a huge barrier to entry in the US if you do it 100% legally.

[–]1428073609 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, like. Psychological help. Forget the gender transition thing, this is a mental breakdown.

[–]kennystrife 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

I didn't even know it was possible to begin a gender transition without medical oversight. That sounds hella dangerous.

[–]zanezavin123 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

with the procedure being so expensive, a lot of people are sympathetic to people without the means, so it's pretty easy to get your hands on the standard medications(aldactone is given to heart failure patients by the thousands). but without standard doctor checkups, it becomes really easy to mismanage, especially if you're able to surround yourself with yes men who do nothing but encourage you as well as fight off the "bigots" who want you to be safe about it, as sjws often do. the results are unfortunate victims like cosmo/narcissa.

[–]kennystrife 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can see how it would be easy to mismanage it, yeah. I'm sympathetic to mental health needs in people who can't afford care. I know it must be hard to be unable to even take those first steps towards transition because of finances. But a big part of the reason for the expense is that (good and ethical) doctors don't just toss hormones at people. Not all people who are feeling dysphoric are actually transgender. There's things like hormone imbalances and such that can cause temporary bouts of dysphoria, but which pass with time and proper treatment. Self-diagnosis is dangerous as hell, especially when you follow it up with self-medication. I hope she comes out of all of this okay.

[–]WhenWeRollOff 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

As someone who's a fan, I never saw evidence of this; can you point me toward it, or link it in your post?

[–]cakesphere 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think she also has/had a hand injury which meant she had to "retire" from speedrunning

So I'm sure that can't be helping things either :c

[–]pie4all88 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know playing Melee competitively messed up her hands, but I didn't think it was bad enough that it would prevent her from speedrunning.

[–]Meowsticgoesnya0018-1877-0794 3DS Friend code, remember to give me yours 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

She specifically refers to November (the month she came out in) in some of her tweets whilst complaining that people are attacking her just for "being myself", context clues would suggest it's related to the gender issue.

[–]ColePram 26ポイント27ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, I read some of her feed. I can understand some people not commenting on a bad situation, but there's a bunch of people that seem to be trying really hard to push her over the edge. It's disgusting that these are the people we get accused of being.

Mind you I agree with some that social media is not a good place to be having a break down. The issue being the trolls see that and know they can take advantage of someone in a vulnerable situation. It's like blood in the water that attracts sharks.

And there's nothing anyone can do to help her at this point. If you engage the trolls to tell them off, it's just going to feed them into a frenzy to attack harder. If you tell her to step away from social media and get help, then you're just piling on to an already bad situation. If she hasn't listened to the last ten people that pointed that out, which she should, she's not going to listen to you either.

[–]Kahina91 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wasn't the whole trust and safety council supposed to prevent stuff like this. Who could of guessed its a massive failure.

[–]tinkertoy78 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I see. Only checked the first few of the linked twitter. It's no surprise that personal attacks add to the stress.

She really should log off the web for a bit.

[–]nobuyuki 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

How does one as a public figure try to balance their need to make a living with their want to privacy? I know nothing about this person but I'm assuming they didn't want to wear their identity on their sleeve, because they're clearly uncomfortable with streaming now. I feel sorry for them, but I'm not sure what can be done because it sounds like an intractable situation.

[–]Agkistro13 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

How does one as a public figure try to balance their need to make a living with their want to privacy?

Well, a good step one would be don't buy a bunch of estrogen off the internet, change your name to something that only Final Fantasy characters are called, and insist all your fans call you 'she' now.

[–]Meowsticgoesnya0018-1877-0794 3DS Friend code, remember to give me yours -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's hard because the normal option of limiting time on the Internet isn't really possible when it's the main source of income, especially so for any youtubers/streamers who have children or family they're taking care of.

[–]MysticJoJo 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

Goddamnit, one of the replies is telling her to go seek help from crash override. They don't so much as talk to you unless they think you can get them more publicity, and I fear that they would love taking advantage of someone like Narcissa.

[–]Atratus 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Narcissa, even after losing her audience, still has star power and relevance. They easily would take advantage of that if given the chance.

[–]TonchMS 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ugh that idea makes me sick. My response to the suggestion that ANYone seek help from CON is absolutely "fuck no".

[–]FinalGuardian 48ポイント49ポイント  (42子コメント)

Sucks speedrunners don't get the light of day they deserve. Some of the insane things they pull off are so awesome. The main speedruns I see are typically AGDQ.

Wish the best of luck to her.

[–]vatrakk 85ポイント86ポイント  (29子コメント)

Narcissa (formely Cosmo) used to be one of the most well known speedrunners and pretty much the most sucessful on twitch.

That's until the day she finally came out as Narcissa and stopped speedrunning and started doing 'normal' streams that really nobody cared about. Her fanbase went from speedrunning enthousiast to SJWs that only watched her because she's transgender.

Looking at her tweets it seems she finally realised that the people who used to watch her back in the days all left the building (making reference to her follower count going down). Sucks that she's just now realising it.

[–]Killroyomega 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

The main reason her old viewers were turned away was because chat went into permanent submode and became nothing but a hugbox, alongside playing almost nothing but Brawl for the longest time which already got her less viewers overall when she was still Cosmo.

It kinda ended up as a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Because she cut chat it changed and turned into a hugbox.

When it became a hugbox she lost interaction with most of her old fans.

Losing interaction meant that the stream and atmosphere was now dictated by the sub-only chat.

After a while the "feel" of her stream changed completely.

I know a few weeks ago she tried playing CV64 again, but I don't think she did any speedruns.

It's a bit mean to say this but she brought most of it on herself when she alienated her follower base at the start and moved away from the style of the old speedrunning streams.

[–]allo_ver 21ポイント22ポイント  (16子コメント)

I don't understand. She seems to complain that her follower numbers are dwindling since she decided to be a trans.

But did those followers gave up because she suddenly became a trans or because she stopped doing speedruns altogether?

If it's because she quit doing speedruns, it's a non issue. People lost their object of interest and had no reason to keep watching her videos.

[–]ZorbaTHut 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

I still had her favorited on Twitch, but whenever she was on I'd take a look, think "this is boring, nothing interesting is happening", and switch to something else. Definitely left because of the channel differences.

[–]vatrakk 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well... I can't speak for everybody else but I personally unfollowed because she didn't speedrun anymore.

[–]SerbianShitStain 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

I stopped because she stopped doing speedruns, but to be honest part of it was her becoming trans as well. Not becoming trans in itself, mind you, but how she started acting like an entirely different person. She was nothing like Cosmo anymore, she was like Cosmo trying really hard to conform to a stereotypical image of a girl. She felt very forced and unnatural.

Not saying I have a personal issue with her transition or that I think she shouldn't be doing it, but she's not doing the thing that made her famous and she's behaving like an entirely different person. She's essentially nothing that Cosmo was, so it only makes sense that her followers would drop.

Now mind you, I stopped following her like a month after this started. Maybe she's gotten more comfortable with it and feels less forced now. This is just my impression of how she was before I stopped following.

EDIT: I guess things didn't change. I wish there was something I could do to help.

[–]allo_ver 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, basically everyone stated that they quit watching her videos because she quit doing speedruns.

Not really anything anyone can do about it.

[–]facedefacer 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm a fan of cosmo and speedruns not mario maker or smash bros

[–]A_fellow 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Likely the speedruns.

[–]OPTLawyer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I had stopped watching back when she was still Cosmo. Even then she wasn't speedrunning all that much, and she playing a ton of Smash and other games I just wasn't interested it watching. Honestly, one day I just suddenly got a notice for "Narcissa Wright" and I'm like "...when did I follow this person?"

I really hope Narcissa pulls herself together with some help. She's so desperate right now :(

[–]throwawayssgdev 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, sub-only streams plus a drastic switch in content would lead to a big drop. That combined with constant commentary on your life and gender is a tough situation to manage. I really hope Narcissa can recover from this and be content with her life regardless of follower counts and internet hate.

This situation reminds me of this image I saw on r/GetMotivated - http://i.imgur.com/RpPw4ZR.jpg

Also, I don't think the viewers are justified in their hate, but it's hard to argue against old fans not wanting to watch painting or 'normal' streams if they mainly watched for speedruns and gaming content.

[–]Atratus 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

She didn't help with her wanting to push everyone from Twitch over to Hitbox. That was the death nail to the stream she was doing. Once she came back, her audience was already gone and so she only had the dedicated "hardcore" (those only viewing her for the transition) left.

I feel immensely bad for Narcissa because I know how it is to see you build an empire only to lose it, but it also should give her motivation hopefully to know that she CAN do it again because she built it once before.

She is one of the few people capable of rebuilding what was lost if she understands what kept her core audience to begin with. t3h urns and t3h wr's mang.

[–]Draconilian 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

Death knell*

[–]Atratus 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The pedant in me loves you for that. Thank you, I knew it sounded weird.

[–]CertusAT 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

YES THANK YOU!

I thought I recognized cosmo, interesting. Sad to see what happened with the whole decline and stuff. Some good content got produced in the last few years, but not anymore :/

I remember watching the WR runs for ocarina of time, fucking awesome

[–]igothitwithabulb 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

To be fair, she supposedly stopped running because of hand injuries, and had said before that she wasn't interested in doing OoT until a new route was found. Iirc she said she looks forward to returning to speedrunning once she feels comfortable playing again.

I think making her Twitch sub-only was directly related to the negative feedback though.

[–]Daralii 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think making her Twitch sub-only was directly related to the negative feedback though.

It happened immediately after the announcement. I think people were more surprised than anything at the time, since it was in a tweet with no context or buildup.

E: I vaguely remember some discouragement considering it's all being done without any kind of screening or testing using estrogen bought off the internet.

[–]Penguinswin3 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If she does more smash or speed Runs, I'd watch again.

[–]indigoanasazi [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This right here.

If you suck balls at Smash. And you're a big name because of speedrunning.

Don't expect to draw in the viewers when you're streaming yourself sucking balls at Smash, thinking that just because you changed your name and you've been on hormones 6 months, that you'll become a successful titty streamer.

[–]TastyCarcass 28ポイント29ポイント  (2子コメント)

She used to be the most famous speedrunner ever. Cosmo was at AGDQ a lot and was at the Nintendo Invitational. Not seen much since then.

[–]TonchMS 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's who this is? Whoa, no wonder I hadn't seen the name in a while. This sounds like a really lousy situation.

[–]GirlbeardJ#GameGreerGate 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Likewise, I'd wondered why Cosmo hadn't been at the last few GDQs (unless I just missed those speedruns). The Zelda runs were always great.

[–]PasteeyFan420LoL[🍰] 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

Cosmo or Narcissa as she is now hasn't really been actively speedrunning in a long time.

[–]Ocktorok 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Oh she was formerly Cosmo? I always thought something was up with the painted fingernails.

[–]Methodius_Dindu 'Muffin 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Meh. I used to paint my nails and I'm not trans. Course, it was black.

[–]Ocktorok 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

And that's different, cosmo would paint them green etc.

[–]BinarySudoku52k Rusted Knight - Order of the GET 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be frank, I'd paint my nails too if I was gonna have a controller cam also I'm fab so stfu

[–]KiA423469420One of the cutest asses /u/ExhumedLegume has ever seen 23ポイント24ポイント  (7子コメント)

This is very unfortunate and I hope she feels better soon, but I keep thinking "Narcissa" seems like an unwisely chosen name... It's a bit hubristic, isn't it? :\

[–]LutjaSuki 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

Isn't that just her internet handle?

[–]Daralii 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

Cosmo was her name and internet handle, so I imagine Narcissa is the same.

I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt and say she got it from Harry Potter or something without being familiar with Narcissus.

[–]Agkistro13 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Getting your name from Harry Potter instead of Greek Mythology is 'the benefit of the doubt' now? Jeez.

[–]Daralii [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I figured it wasn't as bad as knowingly naming yourself after someone so vain he died because he couldn't stop staring at his reflection.

[–]Tsuken 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

She self identifies on her Twitter as a "vain bitch", so... Who knows.

[–]vintermann 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I really doubt that. I haven't met any super-geeky people who didn't know what narcissism is. I have met a lot of people who have a self-image of "I'm fucked up" though, sometimes somewhat justified, sometimes not.

[–]raze2012Noticed by senpai! 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

when you become that well-known on the internet, it's basically your name as far as it's concerned. People around the net still know her from her previous handle.

Also, apparently that's her actual name, so I guess in this case there's nothing you can do about it.

[–]Drogzar 46ポイント47ポイント  (50子コメント)

You know guys... for a transphobic hate mob, the comments here are quite well intended... Other than those 2 retards trolling down in the negatives.

[–]blackfiredragon13 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah it's almost like the "transphobic hate mob" accusation is complete bullshit.

[–]Drogzar 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, no, no, but I read it on the press, it has to be true!!! You need to listen a believe!

[–]Templar_Knight07 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

Always gonna be idiots. Not much to be done about it other than downvote them to oblivion.

Its just terrible to see a person go through this.

[–]chinese-cartoons 1ポイント2ポイント  (20子コメント)

Is being against socially encouraged self destruction "trolling"?

[–]Grailums 2ポイント3ポイント  (17子コメント)

When it comes to transgenderism is it. I actually got banned from TiA because I still firmly believe that giving people with mental disorders what they want is unethical and dangerous.

The way we treat gender dysphoria is akin to giving a person who self-harms a bunch of razor blades and saying "don't knick the vein!"

[–]Nyctor 16ポイント17ポイント  (11子コメント)

That's a terrible analogy.

what's the danger of someone acting like a different gender than they're expected to be?

Even if it is a mental disorder then letting them act out in a way that alleviates the body dysphoria is the only real outlet and "treatment" available thanks to shitty research.

Telling a trans person to stop engaging in their "delusions" achieves what? It certainly doesn't cause the dysphoria and thus depression to go away, so what goal is hoped to be achieved?

It's this tough love bullshit that people try to use on depressed people. "They just need a kick in the ass and they'll get over it."

No, no they won't.

[–]Grailums [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"Telling a trans person to stop engaging in their 'delusions' achieves what?"

About the same as everyone going to the knee-jerk reaction of assuming all psychiatrists and therapists do is whap trans people on the nose with a newspaper and telling them to "stop doing that" is what a person means when they say hormone therapy is not the answer.

[–]oldirtybaron 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

what's the danger of someone acting like a different gender than they're expected to be?

The rate of suicide among transsexuals is astronomically high. That's the danger. Even when completing their transition they still off themselves like they're going for a world record.

Even if it is a mental disorder then letting them act out in a way that alleviates the body dysphoria is the only real outlet and "treatment" available thanks to shitty research.

I agree that there hasn't been enough research into the cause of gender dysphoria, and it seems like we agree that it is a mental disorder. However I can't agree with this idea that letting people mutilate themselves or irreparably damage their physiology as some form of treatment. It's like letting somebody who claims they shouldn't have a limb chop it off. It's unethical. The idea is to help people get better, not indulge their delusions. Considering that the treatment for gender dysphoria has shown so far that it only results in more dead people, I think the evidence points to it being very dangerous to indulge these people.

Telling a trans person to stop engaging in their "delusions" achieves what? It certainly doesn't cause the dysphoria and thus depression to go away, so what goal is hoped to be achieved?

It doesn't help, but neither does telling them "you do you, boo." They need help. Professional help. A lot of help. I sympathize with these people because they're truly stuck. They feel one way, they don't know why, and the medical community either refuses to or simply doesn't know how to engage and find a proper treatment. It's probably also worth noting that Johns Hopkins Hospital, one of the pioneers of transsexual treatments, has stopped offering sexual reassignment surgery. Basically saying "damn, we got this one real wrong." When even the top leading researchers are back pedaling, it's worth taking notice of why.

It's this tough love bullshit that people try to use on depressed people. "They just need a kick in the ass and they'll get over it."

You see this kind of reaction from people who don't understand depression, and I'd venture to say that one's lack of understanding with regards to transsexuals is much the same way. It can be awful. There's no other way to put it.

The point that a lot of people are trying to make is that there is too much unknown about the psychology of transgender individuals. Way too much. There needs to be more research into the root cause of these issues before we as a society should endorse wholeheartedly treatments that are dangerous and irreversible. Sadly, this issue has become heavily politicized in recent years, so naturally discourse has turned into a shit flinging contest.

[–]Nyctor 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Suicide rates are indeed much higher. You know what helps alleviating that? Accepting them and humoring their desire for a fucking pronoun is about the gist of it. This isn't like a schizophrenic delusion where it just gets worse and worse in terms of dissociation. Compare suicide rates of trans before transitioning and after. What do you see? A sharp decline. Sill far higher than other demographics, but I'd rather see less suicide than the status quo.

I agree that there needs to be much more research into what causes transgenderism and the best way to approach it. But right now, allowing them to transition is the only thing they can do to give them peace.

You want to tell them to just suck it up and stop bitching until we find a better fix 15 years down the road?

What we have is nowhere near perfect but it's certainly better than nothing which is what you appear to to be advocating for.

[–]indigoanasazi [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You want to tell them to just suck it up and stop bitching until we find a better fix 15 years down the road?

No, they can suck it up and stop developing mental illnesses because they're turning prison gay from being 25 and still a virgin.

[–]Pastasky 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The rate of suicide among transsexuals is astronomically high.

But that isn't caused by them acting to be a different gender than the one that correlates with the sex they were assigned.

If anything it alleviates it.

Considering that the treatment for gender dysphoria has shown so far that it only results in more dead people

Where is your evidence for the claim?

[–]Grailums [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"But that isn't caused by them acting to be a different gender than the one that correlates with the sex they were assigned. If anything it alleviates it."

And that's when they realize their problems were deep seeded behind a mask of delusion and instead of getting treatment for THAT they gave into their delusion and it suddenly didn't matter and thus they feel hopeless and kill themselves.

[–]cha0stat tvam asi 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Authoritarian

[–]Teblefer [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Except every psychologist on earth will tell you they're not the same in the very least

[–]Grailums [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

By all means they are clearly not the same but it all comes down to "first do no harm".

A person with GD is depressed and anxious under the delusion that they need to be a female if they are born male, and vice versa. We "treat" them by giving them what they want.

It's the only mental disorder where stomping one's feet and saying "I WANT THIS!" gets the person the thing they want.

[–]1428073609 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, but with context to the parent comment, the "retards" aren't right either.

And yeah, some of them are straight up trolling. It's alright to disagree but there's some legit flamebait in there.

[–]Limon_Lime37k + 48k GET Knight Commander Mod[M] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

SRS disagrees apparently. They have linked your comment. They are true believers of the trans hate narrative. Not surprising coming from sheep.

[–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield / https://i.imgur.com/6X3KtgD.jpg 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Archive links for this post:


I am Mnemosyne, goddess of memory. I remember so you don't have to.

[–]Laureolus 11ポイント12ポイント  (8子コメント)

Apparently Narcissa (Cosmo to those who haven't kept up like me) Wright has repetitive motion injuries/carpel tunnel too.

I had wondered why they had stopped doing speedruns and switched to Smash 4. They literally couldn't do it anymore and it sounds like they burned out. Trying to transition at the same time you're changing "jobs"(audience in this case) just seem like a poor decision.

Hopefully they have some friends/family they can fall back on before they come back, if they want too. Whatever image she wears doesn't matter, it was her passion for playing games that made us like her.

[–]anonveggy 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

They?

[–]cha0stat tvam asi 15ポイント16ポイント  (6子コメント)

Here comes the pronoun police

[–]anonveggy 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

I honestly just asked myself if I haven't gotten in the loop yet if she's living with another speed runner that has the same issues with worn ut joints.

[–]Laureolus 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

Nah, I just used neutral pronouns to avoid the trolls. I used a her at the end.

It's just Narcissa as far as I know.

[–]RaineyJ 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hope she can find some help, that sounds really tragic.

[–]Bhaldund_Ahldankasyn 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think she should seek psychological help instead of posting on twitter. I hope she gets better but the internet masses aren't exactly the best people to talk to when you are feeling suicidal.

[–]moeburn 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

If this was me, and I put suicidal tweets up on twitter, I'd really wish 500 people on Reddit weren't talking about me.

[–]skadav 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

What does this have to do with anything?

[–]Agkistro13 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

An opportunity for people to flash around their pro-trans cred after the Baldur's Gate thing. There have been a number of threads lately that have no purpose but that.

[–]skadav 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ah, we're virtue signaling. I getcha.

[–]DrawADay 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm happy to find this thread of comments in here. I think this post should be marked "off topic"

[–]SandvichMann 21ポイント22ポイント  (55子コメント)

She should have never came out immediately

massive mistake

She should have announced a long hiatus as Cosmo and let her hormones settle out before going back online then announce your identity change. If you needed income from streaming it wasn't really worth the mental stress. Get a regular job or something if you have to survive for a while. You chose to make a huge change so you shouldnt have expect to not struggle.

All of this is just a huge tragedy that could have been avoided if Narcissa had been smarter.

[–]Grailums 22ポイント23ポイント  (53子コメント)

This is the inherent problem with treating GD as we do. We believe that pumping people full of hormones that their body is not used to making is "helping them" when really they need to treat the delusional state the person is in while also keeping tabs on depression and anxiety. We do not do that.

[–]thipp 15ポイント16ポイント  (7子コメント)

Well in this case it wasn't medically overseen and there was no therapy. It was someone injecting themselves with hormones. It's a different beast from actual treatment.

[–]YosharianWalks around backward with his sword on his hip 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

How does a person get such treatments without being medically overseen?

[–]thipp 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

Buy hormones -> take hormones -> regret decision

[–]YosharianWalks around backward with his sword on his hip 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Whut? You can just buy them freely? I had no idea haha

[–]thipp 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

I mean, you can buy any substance you want from a black market as long as there's a demand for it.

[–]YosharianWalks around backward with his sword on his hip 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Heh, I guess so

[–]Daralii 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a black/grey market thing. They're supposed to be prescription only., but people sell them online to circumvent that.

There are also guides on how to answer a psychiatrist to get them to prescribe HRT, though I don't know how effective those are in practice.

[–]Rannos22 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

It certainly doesn't help that once you "find out" you're trans, there's whole communities full of people that will urge you to begin transitioning IMMEDIATELY by any means necessary. Even if you don't have a professional diagnosis. And then they wonder why there's such a high suicide rate among them.

[–]Grailums [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What terrifies me is that they are allowing children to decide this. Or worse, parents.

In fact the reason why so very few children are allowed to start HRT is because, especially in young children, they have found out that it ends up being a "phase" they go through and grow out of it.

Imagine all the fucking kids out there right now on this shit living in hell because they have no god damn idea who they are because some shitty liberal parents decided Dirk is really "Dirkina" and they need to fix that shit FAST all because Dirk liked pink ice cream.

[–]Pastasky 5ポイント6ポイント  (35子コメント)

In what sense are they delusional?

What is the end goal of treating some one with GD? What is desired? To make them no longer say they are gender dysphoric?

IMO, the goal should be to make them happier. Many trans people I know are much happier having transitioned. In which case I do not think they are wrong for having transitioned. Nor do I think the correct approach would be to have stopped them from transitioning.

Of course some aren't happier. But then the correct solution would be to figure out how to identify that before hand, and help those people differently than how we help those for whom transitioning would be beneficial.

But I think it is ignorant to act like transitioning is entirely the wrong approach (as you seem to suggest).

[–]Grailums [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The frontline of GD is a person feeling they are not the gender they were originally born in. This is the face. The underlining factors, however, are anxiety and depression. Think of GD as a form of schizophrenia or Dissociative identity disorder. A person loses a sense of who they really are and they cannot feel comfortable as is and thus they start to become depressed/anxious.

See we've had people who fit under the category of "GD" for decades and centuries. Effeminate men and masculine women have existed for eons. Joan of Ark, Plenty of Roman men. In current ages we refer to females who show more masculine interests and traits as "tomboys" and it has never been an issue because those women still know they are a woman and they have a vagina. SAme goes for effeminate men who like to bake, design dresses, or interior design. They still recognize they have a dick and that they are a man.

When they start to go off the deep end and firmly believe they need a dick, in the case of women, or a pussy, in the case of men, that is where the delusions creep in and the depression and anxiety kicks off. That's the inherent problem. We treat the delusion thinking it will make them "happy' when that isn't even the main fucking problem. IT's the depression and anxiety that goes left untreated.

[–]Rannos22 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

The suicide rate postop is disturbingly high. That should say something about how we treat this illness alone. SRS and the like may help some people but it quiet obviously doesn't help everyone.

[–]Pastasky 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The suicide rate postop is disturbingly high. That should say something about how we treat this illness alone. SRS and the like may help some people but it quiet obviously doesn't help everyone.

Did you even read the study?

In other words, the results should not be interpreted such as sex reassignment per se increases morbidity and mortality. Things might have been even worse without sex reassignment.

The suicide rate for trans people is already high. f you want to claim transitioning has a negative effect, you need to control that people who want to transition have a higher than normal suicide rate anyways. If the suicide rate goes up after transitioning that would support your claim, but I've seen not evidence to that effect, and the study you linked certainly doesn't support that claim.

[–]Bhaldund_Ahldankasyn 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

For fucking real. I am tired of this kind of treatment being seen as 'moral' or 'virtuous', this is damaging people.

[–]captchaboink 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also uh just a guess, it didn't help that one of the first things she did after coming out were tweets like "Got some new buttplugs" and some more stuff which i can't recall, i mean no matter transitioning or not just posting something like that will attract some shit comments no matter the gender or transitioning stage and the likes.

[–]KMyriad 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Celebrity is a horrible field, and I'm speaking as someone who has been there. A lot of your celebrity peers will try to convince you that your worth pivots on follower count, and at the same time threaten and coerce you using actions that inhibit your follower count ("I could see myself plugging your channel IF..."). Everyone bigger than you is your enemy, most of the people smaller than you want to be your enemy, and if you're not tough as nails you're going to be emotionally destroyed.

I have sympathy for a lot of the people GG opposes because I recognize them as overnight celebrities thrust into an extremely toxic field (and I don't mean video games). The real difference between people in these cases is how they deal with it. Some people take it out on the barbaric and horrible audiences who dared not give them the response they felt they deserved. Some, like Narcissa, take it out on themselves and fall into depressions. Some, though, like Notch, take it out on the system and can remain removed enough to recognize "this is bullshit and I'm not going to play along".

E: I mean, it helps that he has a fuckton of money while Narcissa will probably be on the streets if her follower count drops too low. When people are whispering "this will destroy your careeeer", it's way easier to tell them "fuck you" when you have a fuckton of money.

[–]CrankyDClown 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

https://twitter.com/jefrouner/status/718524587604967424

Apparently it's all our fault. Generic boogeyman strikes again.

Edit: Patrick Klepek reaching out now, expect a hit piece soon.

[–]1428073609 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He's literally arguing that we should redefine "Gamergate" to be a generic boogeyman, and ignore that it didn't exist before Zoe Quinn. Muh logical fallacies.

[–]SimonLaFox 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damn, wish her the best, stuff like this is hard to fix, but I wish her well.

[–]SmokingPenis 16ポイント17ポイント  (17子コメント)

what does this have to do with KiA?

Edit:

Reminder

r/kotakuinaction mods do not ban for wrongthink

Unless

It's wrongthink against trannies.

[–]raze2012Noticed by senpai! 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

it could be"Industry" technically (though drama is appropriate here). her OoT speedruns were legendary, and I'm sure many people here are speedrun fans.

[–]gold4nudes 10ポイント11ポイント  (8子コメント)

[–]trainiac1256 triple-k get! 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

bottom left is 'Come on, shoot faster!"

Friend sent me the full image. The face is burned into my memory.

[–]facedefacer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

pretty sure the artist is service heaven// turtle fish paint

[–]DJBunBun 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Search whatever website you use for the artist Hirame, or Turtle.Fish.Paint, or Service heaven, or starF. He has published under many different groups. Karei is the other name.

Idk what 1 is, not the same person. 2 is UnloveS, 3 is the Red Riding hood childhood destruction, 4 is his Jinx book, 5 is his Juri book, 6 is the Wolf and 7 sheep childhood destruction book.

You're welcome, I think

[–]bastiVSVanu Archivist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mate, I think we need to talk about your manga addiction. ;)

[–]Peach-Hime 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

First one is from a Mizuryuu Kei work.

[–]Recyclex [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hirame is a female doujin artist, the other artist from the same group, Abi Kamesennin, was her boyfriend. They've broken up after their latest doujin, and no longer work together.

[–]Recyclex -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hirame, a female Taiwanese doujin artist, one of the former doujin artist couple team Turtle.Fish.Paint. I said former because they broke up and no longer work together or even in contact with each other afaik.

[–]roboman2444 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

inb4 ghazi says that KIA "incited a harassment raid on a suicidal transgender person"

[–]Enzo03 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It'd time very well for them with the Baulder's Gate bs.

[–]TastyCarcass 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Is she still called Cosmo? EDIT: oh didn't realise that was the birth name, I thought it was a tag

[–]ArmyofWon 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think a big reason that her popularity dwindled was, aside from quitting what she was known for, speedrunning, that Cosmo was not just a name but a tag. A brand. It's as if Nike decides making shoes just isn't for them anymore, changes to making microwave foods, and changes their name at the same time. Just look how many people in this thread alone are going "wait, what, that's Cosmo?"

I stopped following her after she stopped running Windwaker (at the end of her career). I watched for her deep knowledge and technical mastery of games, not for her personality, and I'm sure that many others feel the same.

[–]TastyCarcass 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Changing tags in games is treated as a fairly big deal, and a lot don't do it even if they want to due to its popularity.

Like the Smash Bros player Wife. It's a silly name, especially since he's not gay (he only called it that for a Newlyweds joke, his doubles partner was called Husband)but he can't change it to anything else because he's accomplished so much as Wife. All the trophies and news articles wouldn't mean much either.

Dr Pee Pee did become PPMD, but it pretty much means the same thing, just more professional.

The only other time pros change their tags is to enter a tournament without effecting their main ranking. Playing a new character that might cause you to lose earlier than you should could drag it down a lot. But here it's out of protection of their main brand more than anything.

It's unfortunate Cosmo was her real name, since it sounds pretty gender neutral. Could have transitioned, kept it and kept the recognition.

[–]oVentusDank ethical tiddies. 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not a fan of speedrunning (I don't hate it, I just don't really care for it), but I hope she turns out okay.

[–]TheBlackSword 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not a good idea to even attempt a transition without consulting a professional first. Hope him/her the best, but this is what you get when you try to self-medicate something of this nature.

[–]YosharianWalks around backward with his sword on his hip 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

How do you know that's the cause? It could be any number of things.

[–]8BitGremlin 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is there a way to help her out?

[–]Aurondarklord 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know this person, but don't let haters get you down Ms. Wright! No matter what they say about your streams, if the viewer numbers are there anyway, the silent majority likes your content!

[–]Dullahan3470 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

In my opinion, the entire transition was the product of a mental breakdown in progress.

Best thing this person could do is get a real job and professional help.

[–]Rannos22 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It really does seem like a staggering number of public transitions are actually just mental breakdowns that are mis-self-diagnosed. Its really starting to give trans people a bad rap when they embrace these public figures that are clearly just losing their mind rather than suffering from GD

[–]groovegmr [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't really follow speed runners and cannot really imagine what she's going through but all I can say is life is precious don't throw it away, I'm sure there's people out there that love you, surround yourself with those people.

[–]Laurcus 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

For those that are asking why this is relevant, Narcissa, formerly known as Cosmo, is a fucking gaming legend. This isn't some shitty pseudo-gamer icon like Felicia Day, Cosmo was the real deal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq6pGJbd6Iw

Get better soon Narcissa, I hope you find your path. :(

[–]general_gk 2ポイント3ポイント  (11子コメント)

I used to watch back in the Cosmo days. Haven't seen her channel since she started calling herself Narcissa but I hope she gets help. I've been struggling with depression for years and I definitely think you need to take a break from the internet from time to time for you own health. Hope she's ok.

[–]randallfitzgerald 23ポイント24ポイント  (10子コメント)

http://i.imgur.com/KuJjxeS.png

It's become a weird stream now. Very little gameplay. Lots of emo poetry and ranting.

[–]Atratus 12ポイント13ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yep, that definitely is going to be something that will deter your former core audience, especially the core audience she had which was a lot of shitters who just liked to have fun.

An audience who doesn't mind watching the first 10 minutes of a game replayed hours on end is an audience you never want to try to lose because they are not easy to get back

[–]randallfitzgerald 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

That's been about 99% of the complaints I've seen from the speedrunning community. That her personality changed drastically and permanently and that the content of the stream went nearly instantly from the stuff Cosmo used to do (speedrunning) to rants about being depressed.

I've seen a decent number of people talk about how they're just really sort of disappointed with how she's handling her transition and pointing to Ricki Sophie Ortiz (an fighting game pro) as an example of not immediately flipping personality and the community giving very little or no backlash as a result.

Well. Hopefully Narc gets whatever help she needs. The sad thing is that this is going to get turned into another talking point for people instead of really just seeing it for what it very much appears to be. A person with some problems who needs some proper help.

Had some links to speedruncelebrities. Forgot about Rule 8. Haha. There's a lot of talk about it over there. And threads dating back months about the whole ordeal. Sort of like Kappa for speedrunning.

[–]Atratus 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

really sort of disappointed with how she's handling her transition and pointing to Ricki Sophie Ortiz

Ricki Ortiz has never changed personalities and never will, because Ricki doesn't identify her personality by her gender but by WHO SHE IS OUTSIDE IT.

I have been on the insider side of the FGC for a bit (as in the dude hanging out with the players. The +1 of friends invited to the "Illuminati shindigs" but always just the +1 without any clout other than knowing people, but am working on being an actual competitor and not just the +1 all the time to events -_-) and Ricki has always been Ricki and I love her for it. Before transitioned she acted exactly the same. The only literal thing that changed was her internal structuring. The personality that makes Ricki Ricki is there and will always be there because she is confident in her self and knows who she is.

[–]randallfitzgerald 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Agreed. Former Guilty Gear player. Same for Kayo. There's never been any of that "we need to talk about me now, this needs to be about me" shit that seems to come with some people's transitions. Especially the people who make it this public feature.

[–]Atratus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kayo is bae 4ever. Hoping they add Viper to SF5 quickly so we can get more of her :D

In the FGC I guess we all know who we are and are confident in it. There is never any sense of self conscious doubt and the need of massive coddling. I suppose this is also why they want to constantly suppress our voice. Fuck em, they can't take our confidence of identity and self awareness away.

[–]DepravedMutant 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That speedruncelebrities reddit is awful.

[–]Rannos22 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shit like this is what makes some trans communities so dangerous. Some of them are basically cults.

[–]Puffy_Vulva 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Seriously what in the world does this have to do with gaming journalism? I'm not going to lie, this place seems to just worship and I mean WORSHIP e-celebs.

[–]the_gentleman88 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

damn I'm a big fan :(

hope she's ok

[–]RVallant 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Saw this on 4chan (don't ask what I was doing there), and the thread was going as you might expect.

I've no idea what the real reason for the breakdown is though.

[–]nintendonaut 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hope everything turns out alright for him. I don't understand why people encourage sex changes--90% people who go through the transition end up completely mentally screwed and depressed. It's not healthy--It's never been considered healthy, and yet for some reason over the past few years its been embraced as such.

Look what happens.

[–]Dotaguythemanthegame -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cosmo is a trainwreck. He's all kinds of fucked since he stopped even speedrunning.

I hope he gets better.

[–]Cowtippa1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is this the zelda speedrunner?

[–]goal400 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unfortunately it seems like we agree that there hasn't been enough research into the stream she was the real reason for the longest time which already got her less viewers overall when she was known for, speedrunning, that Cosmo was at AGDQ a lot of help.

[–]Zero132132 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Worst harassment campaign idea ever.

[–]Personifeeder 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is so far off topic you need plane tickets to get there

[–]SunBroPatches [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Even way back in the Cosmo days she obviously needed professional help. Hopefully she gets it now.

[–]MrRexels 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Babysitting adults isn't my problem.