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[–]jojotmagnifficent 11ポイント12ポイント  (10子コメント)

It's not really about the line though, just what it represents. The writer for the game explicitly stated they were essentially writing characters and dialog as pretty in game clickbait. They were more interested in intentionally pissing off people than actually writing a good script. She also showed a complete lack of familiarity with existing characters and straight up insulted the characters (and by extension the previous games writers). Beamdog further perpetuated the drama by banning people for complaining about it, throwing about insults and anyone who didn't like it and all the other crap.

Why Beemdog hired a bad writer who proudly proclaims she is happy to fuck the script for the sake of pushing her toxic agenda in the first place is beyond me (probably some messed up SJW clique nepotism, it seems the common cause of this kind of thing), but when called on it they simply doubled down on the retardation. The stupidest thing about all this is that it IS about ethics, which is what the line is supposed to be making fun of (because of course #GG is purely about hating women, everyone knows that /s). The poor ethics of this situation is what everyone is mad about (but of course they tried to spin it as everyone being angry because they are transphobic and misogynists etc.).

The fact that the game was hijacked by some muppet to use as a platform for ragebaiting in the name of their agenda is what people are angry about. There is no way this ever should have happened. The fact Beamdog knowingly ALLOWED it is frankly unfathomable.

[–]basterfeldt 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

Admittedly I haven't played this Baulders Gate game, but what is the difference between this throwaway line and the stuff that Running With Scissors included in that DLC they released for Postal 2? No one got upset with the anti-"SJW" stuff that was included, no one stated it was unfathomable that they would release stuff to "use as a platform for ragebaiting in the name of their agenda".

Forgive me if I've misunderstood anything here. And I don't think an argument a long the lines of "Well, Postal's Postal" is valid.

[–]OrkfaellerX 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

I've played neither of the games so far, but it might have to do with Baldurs Gate being a cRPG classic ( praised for its writing ) and set in a medieval universe; while Postal 2 is ... Postal 2.

If I play a fantasy RPG ( and I do; a lot ) then I wanna get immersed; I don't wanna hear unfunny internet memes from 2014.

[–]basterfeldt 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Comparing the two is a different argument all together, we're talking about the act of using a video game/product to "use as a platform for rage baiting in the name of their agenda". From what I've read, the bit everyone is getting upset with in Baldur's Gate is fairly throwaway, small, and in keeping with the general milieu of the thing. Postal does that too in the ways in which it addresses Double Fine and Gamergate. Why is one alright, and the other not?

[–]JewWithGardenBeans 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Postal 2 is a comedic game. The expansion they released keeps the satirical tone of the original game, which also poked fun at outrage culture (like the anti-game protesters in front of the in-game RWS studios). It was never meant to be taken seriously.

Baldur's Gate is... pretty much the opposite. The dialogue in question makes no sense in the context of the game's universe. (Not to mention that it wouldn't in the real world either - trans people usually don't start a conversation with "hey, I'm trans")

[–]AstronautsArcade 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

(Not to mention that it wouldn't in the real world either - trans people usually don't start a conversation with "hey, I'm trans")

Are you purposefully misrepresenting the conversation or haven't looked at it yourself and are just believing what people are telling you?

You don't walk up to the npc and their first line of dialogue is "Hey, i'm trans" You have to ask about their name and they explain that they named themselves and go into their backstory (very typical of npcs in a rpg). You have to make the effort to learn more about the character by choosing that option they don't start the conversation with that, your character asks them a question.

Please if you are going to argue a point refrain from misrepresenting the material. Really lowers the credibility of your argument.

[–]JewWithGardenBeans 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Are you purposefully misrepresenting the conversation or haven't looked at it yourself and are just believing what people are telling you?

The latter. My bad, I was told that the character tells you they're trans literally in their second line of dialog, which would seem really out of place. I liked the Baldur's Gate games, so I was kind of disappointed by the reports of bad writing.

The rest of my comment still stands.

[–]AstronautsArcade 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The dialogue in question makes no sense in the context of the game's universe

Are you refering to the joke or the trans comments.

Because Ed Greenwood (creator of the world the game is based off) says trans characters make complete sense for the universe.

and for the joke/reference/whatever you want to call it. Games have fourth wall breaking lines of dialogue/references all the time.

Spoilers: The ghostbusters 2 reference in skyrim doesn't fit the universe at all.

[–]JewWithGardenBeans 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you refering to the joke or the trans comments.

The joke.

Because Ed Greenwood (creator of the world the game is based off) says trans characters make complete sense for the universe.

I completely agree. I was just talking about unrealistic dialogue.

It's not that I really care - I didn't really expect an expansion that's basically fan fiction to be any good in the first place.
The main point I was making in my first comment was just to explain why something like this is expected from Postal 2, but people who were looking forward to this expansion were pissed off.

The ghostbusters 2 reference in skyrim doesn't fit the universe at all.

Are you talking about this quote: "Death is but a door, time is but a window. I'll be back." ?
That quote still works even if you haven't seen Ghostbusters 2.

[–]jojotmagnifficent -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

but what is the difference between this throwaway line and

It's not a throwaway line, it's the writers entire motivation for the script according to her. That line just embodies this.

the stuff that Running With Scissors included in that DLC they released for Postal 2?

I'm not particularly familiar with Postal 2 but I don't really need to be for it to be obvious what the difference is. Postal 2 was ALWAYS a game about poking fun at people complaining about violence and sex in video games. If you're that kind of person I'm going to think your silly and overly sensitive, but I'm not going to be surprised or upset that you are unhappy with it. But it's also not like you miss out on anything by simply ignoring it's existence, you were never going to paly it anyway if that was the case and you never had any investment in the series.

BG on the other hand was NEVER about any of this stuff, it has no place taking ANY side in the discussion. There are countless people who hold BG very dear, it was a big part of many peoples childhoods and it means a lot to them, so to have it co-opted is a kick in the balls for all those people. Even if someone on my side of the discussion did this I would be pissed. Either way it's not what the game is about, it shouldn't be about it and the quality of the game suffers as a result of it. If someone wants to make a standalone ragebait game then fine, I don't give a fuck, I'll just ignore it (like I have everything else).

It's like if Steven Universe (or whatever the SJW's are creaming their panties over now) got a new Writer and he used it as a platform to push MRA talking points. I would think that's retarded and that the writer should be sacked (after a hilarious bout of schadenfreude of course).

[–]basterfeldt [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You make some very good points about Postal 2, you're right, it's always been about poking fun at everyone who the developer thinks of as being wrongly offended/anyone that takes themselves too seriously.

This isn't even an argument I'm particularly interested in, I'm just so sick of internet vitriol. I bow out of the discussion because comment arguments get nobody anywhere, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. We'll all be a lot better off when the Us vs Them mentality is let go and people can stop attempting to brand each other as "SJW" or "GG".