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Kasich racks up another humiliating loss (washingtonpost.com)

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[–]1-Down [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

I'm not sure what he's doing. I would guess he's trying to attach nation-wide recognition to his name in a run for a future presidency, but if he's not careful the stink off all this failure is going to loom over him like a fart in a car.

The VP thing doesn't make much sense at all either - he just keeps pounding home that he really can't be counted on to bring in any states. Maybe he has a hell of a book deal in the wings?

[–]Bobby_Marks2 [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

It's a couple of things:

  • He has been viewed as VP gold for a couple reasons. First, he has a solid approval rating from Ohio, possibly the most important swing state. That alone may make him worth the pick, but he's also a walking fountain of quality political resume experience - having been both a governor and a senator. Lastly, he's a moderate, so the hope is that he'd be able to swing a ticket towards the middle and pick off Democratic voters in the general election.
  • If Kasich can pick up enough delegates so that Trump + Kasich = over the threshold, it gives him a lot of power at the convention. Maybe he wants VP guaranteed, or a cabinet job, or even a book deal like you say. With the right number of delegates, he could be in a real seat of power there, especially if Cruz is (as his track record would suggest) idealistic to the point of not negotiating with Trump.

He's got two more years, and then his time as governor is up. He could go back to the Senate possibly, but that would be somewhat of a step backwards. He's 63, so if he ran again in two terms he'd be 72 before he took office - and his name would have been out of politics for several years.

If he can't win now, on his record and resume, then he isn't going to win later.

[–]threeoldbeigecamaros [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Good analysis, except Kasich was a congressman and not a senator

[–]friendlyfire [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

The reason he's in it is because he could possibly be picked at a brokered convention as he polls significantly better against Clinton/Sanders than either Trump or Cruz.

[–]tdt0005 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

People need to quit saying that. First, general election polls are not going to be very accurate at this point. And the reason he polls better is because trump and Cruz have both been facing constant attacks for the last 6-7 months. No one has attacked Kasich. No one knows anything about him. In fact everyone thinks he is the "nice guy" which is far from the case. Kasich is just a name. Your local dog catcher would poll just as well against Clinton.

[–]friendlyfire [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Yes, right ... absolutely nobody has ever heard of Kasich.

He's only been running for President for months, been in the same debates as Cruz and Trump and has been in the national spotlight for signing into law the abortion bill in Ohio, along with all the deragotory stuff about how he should drop out.

Totally nobody knows about him at all. It's shocking to say the least.

[–]Whatah [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The entire primary system is designed to focus media attention on a frontrunner and then smack him/her down, creating a new front runner, and so on until the end of the primary season when the establishment pick moderate is still left standing. Kasich has never been considered the frontrunner so even though you can say he has been there it is true he has not had his turn to draw the focused media attention.

[–]tdt0005 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He would still have the VP appeal without staying in. That's not why he's doing it. He is either delusional enough to think they'll give it to him at the convention or he is just a jackass/has a deal with trump.

By doing this he is pissing off a ton of people who will now never vote for him like myself. If he runs in a future primary, I will never vote for him, and if he somehow won it, I will never vote for him in the general either. Period. There have to be consequences for people's actions and my own principles have to be more important than a political party.

[–]Banecn [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I get the feeling that he actually expects to walk away from the convention with the nomination. I am not sure if he is coming to that conclusion on his own or is being fed a line by the party leadership, but that is my best guess.

[–]joeysuf [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Personally, it makes him look a bit foolish. I think it has more of a chance to harm his future candidacy (if he does go for one).

[–]tehForce [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Failure? He's got momentum! He could move past Rubio into third place now that he's taking third in Wisconsin.

[–]CKL2014 [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Nobody loses as cheerfully as Kasich. Trump could learn a thing or two.

[–]hezzospike [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Geez oh man!

[–]BrewCrewKevin [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

TRUMP DOESN'T LOSE

[–]chalbersma [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You dropped an /s

[–]KnollsitCommon Sense Conservative [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Neither does Cruz.

[–]SaiyanPrince_Vegeta [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Delegate count says otherwise

[–]KnollsitCommon Sense Conservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Believe me I know. I was just tongue & cheek reminding the Cruzers on here who is actually in the lead by a hefty margin.

[–]FarsideSCConservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He's the adult in the campaign....... right?

[–]ChocktawRidge [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's Soros's money, why should he care?

[–]dhamon [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Maybe there's something he knows about the convention that's not public knowledge. I wouldn't be surprised if he's made some deals to stay in to pull votes away from Trump in the NE.

[–]SideTraKd [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

What he knows about the convention IS public.

He knows that if no one secures 1237 delegate votes on the first ballot, then most of the delegates become unbound, and can vote for whoever they want, regardless of how well they did in the primaries.

That's what he's counting on.

[–]dhamon [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

There's still possible rules changes that aren't public knowledge yet.

[–]SideTraKd [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The committee hasn't even met yet to create the rules package.

That happens a week before the convention.

https://gop.com/convention-facts/?convention_type=rules

That committee can create whatever rules it wants, so long as they can subsequently get the majority of the full delegation to approve it in the vote.

And, like I said, I highly doubt that the eight state rule ever even gets considered in the committee. I would bet good money that it never sees the light of day, this year.

[–]Rhawk187 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

I wouldn't rule out of the possibility of a Kasich candidacy at a brokered convention. I think it's more likely than someone who hasn't been running getting it. That said, I think the party will get behind Cruz, for better or worse, at the convention.

[–]tdt0005 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I just don't see how that happens if Trump and Cruz have 85% of the delegates. When the unbound delegates get released on the 2nd or 3rd ballot, one of them is going to get it. Also, Kasich won't even be eligible because he won't have won 8 states which is a requirement. Since Trump and Cruz both do not want that rule changed, there won't be enough delegates to change it.

[–]SideTraKd [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Eight states is not a requirement this year, unless the rules committee adds it to the rules package, which is created every election cycle.

And the committee is not likely to include that rule this year.

[–]Rhawk187 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I have a feeling a lot of Trumps delegates won't actually be Trump supporters, so I wouldn't count on them in the rules committee no to vote to suspend Rule 40.

[–]tdt0005 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Probably true. I think enough of them are though. I also think the establishment would just have to be crazy to try and pull something like that at this point. It's not guaranteed to work and you might blow it and end up with Trump. If they are smart they will just throw their support behind Cruz.

[–]Racheakt [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I wouldn't count on them in the rules committee no to vote to suspend Rule 40.

As a Cruz supporter, I don't want the rule changed. I would rather the post first vote unbound delegates be limited to just those candidates that have won a significant amount of states. So in reality I think those "unbound" delegates would need to choose Trump or Cruz if they are the only ones to meet the 8 state rule.

[–]Glsbnewt [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Yeah I thought the midwest was supposed to be his game? He was behind Cruz in both Michigan and Wisconsin.

[–]BrewCrewKevin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He's fairly popular in WI though. He didn't get any delegates, but he's still polling around 20-25% through most of the polls. Although on primary day he only got 14%.

[–]Arthiel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

A lot of people are voting for who they think can beat Trump in the primary of their state. Cruz was doing well, so Kasich's voters could swing to Cruz and make it solid. Kasich had been polling well in Wisconsin before Cruz showed up to campaign more heavily.

Kasich's game now has shifted to the coasts, especially the north east.

[–]JimmyJoeJohnstonJr [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I would like to know what he has been promised for staying in the race to insure a brokered convention

[–]wikipuff [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Funny that they used a photo from the rally at my school.