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[–]theatheistpreacher 279ポイント280ポイント  (3子コメント)

Have you tried beating him in boss mode?

[–]Commodorez 114ポイント115ポイント  (2子コメント)

Afterwards if you scroll off the side of the screen you can play as Shin Hitler and Violent Chamberlain.

[–]LordLokoStellar Explorer 75ポイント76ポイント  (1子コメント)

You can now buy "Lenin" as a guest DLC character

[–]zergling1345 76ポイント77ポイント  (9子コメント)

Launch day Hitler DLC incomming

[–]Boneplayer13 42ポイント43ポイント  (8子コメント)

Actually it is, it's just free and only available in anywhere but Germany.

[–]caesar15 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's not a DLC, it's in every game version except for the German one. At least it should be.

[–]odisseius -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think they will keep it optional for people who don't want to see hitler every time they open the game for some reason.

[–]wonderb0ltMap Staring Expert 37ポイント38ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I have a mild Hitler allergy so that's for me.

[–]caesar15 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's a World War II game, come on. Are people really that sensitive?

[–]Fixiwee 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What about Austria? We have similar laws.

[–]Haifischbecken 254ポイント255ポイント  (195子コメント)

Since there is always a lot of confusion about why Germany banns these kind of things in games while they are fine in other pieces of media. The problem is that there are laws to regulate the use of nazi related symbols (most people know that much). These rules make sense in a lot of cases and are not the problem on their own. The second part of the problem is PC games are considered toys in Germany and are thus not treated like other pieces of media. These two things together make it very hard to get uncensored content into a game in Germany. The idea is to make sure your 4 y/o son's favorite action figure is not Hitler but since games are considered toys (by a different law or precedent) it also affects them.

I'm neither trying to say this is good or bad (maybe PG 16 or 13 games should not be considered toys) just trying to explain how this thing comes about as it is actually more convoluted than usually portrayed.

TL;DR: In Germany games are toys and toys can't be Hitler.

Edit: Also if I understood that correctly in the WWW today there will be a free DLC outside of Germany to unlock Hitlers face and there will probably be mods.

Edit2: portrayed

[–]paradoxicaleuScheming Duke 45ポイント46ポイント  (10子コメント)

They said that you can turn Hitler on, either in WWW or a dev diary

[–]Mahler5Stellar Explorer 125ポイント126ポイント  (8子コメント)

I'll pass. I'm sure Eva was good enough for him.

[–]OccamsBroadswordScheming Duke 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

Second choice after Geli, though...his niece.

Well, it's Hitler, what did you expect?

[–]ThunderwoodNewtonA King of Europa 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

He tried to make do without a sister. I don't see a problem with that.

[–]OccamsBroadswordScheming Duke 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Actually, he did have a sister. And a half-sister, too, Geli's mother.

[–]ThunderwoodNewtonA King of Europa 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

And he didn't try to marry them, all my respect for Hitler gone! Thanks for showing me the truth.

[–]G_Morgan 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hitler didn't even stand by his own convictions.

[–]ThunderwoodNewtonA King of Europa 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hitler is literally Hitler!

[–]City_of_OrphaleseBannerlard 35ポイント36ポイント  (3子コメント)

"Faces of Hitler;" the DLC CK2 has needed all along

[–]grog23Map Staring Expert 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

I can't wait for the "Songs of Hitler" DLC

[–]Wild_MarkerBan if mentions Reichstamina 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was more of a painter though, sell his paintings as loading screens!

[–]ShampoocatMap Staring Expert 26ポイント27ポイント  (14子コメント)

I think the issue is not if it makes sense to not show Hitler (FIY: it does not). Shady Hitler is not new, but people thought he was only going to be in the german version, looks like he will be like that in every version though.

[–]Haifischbecken 53ポイント54ポイント  (11子コメント)

I just posted this because i have seen so many misconceptions about this specific law in these kinds of threats.

Also I watched WWW today and they had to restart the stream because they had an "unlock Hitler DLC" activated so it seems that there will be a (probably free) DLC available outside of Germany.

[–]ShampoocatMap Staring Expert 17ポイント18ポイント  (10子コメント)

Strage solution but whatever...

[–]AspiringgMageMap Staring Expert 23ポイント24ポイント  (5子コメント)

At least it's not a pre-order DLC.

[–]CalculusWarriorVictorian Emperor 46ポイント47ポイント  (3子コメント)

Songs of the Reich

[–]MMSTINGRAY 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

Heroes of the Reich

[–]DocSwiss 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lightbulbs of the Reich

[–]poom3619Scheming Duke 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reich Culture Portrait Pack

[–]ShampoocatMap Staring Expert 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

15$ ;)

[–]mrKaasaDrunk City Planner 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Creative assembly did the same with total war and blood so the age rating was lower

[–]computerbrokeplshelp 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

They also charged something like three bucks for it in Shogun:2.

[–]GeeJo 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

What was Hitler doing in Shogun 2?

[–]poom3619Scheming Duke 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Our men are runnen from the Battlefield? Das war ein Befehl!"

[–]LordZounds 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Any idea if that free DLC will also include the flag? I remember some dev post a while back explaining why they didn't want the flag, but if they're going to the effort to make a Hitler face DLC, I don't see why they wouldn't throw the flag in too.

[–]Asiak 81ポイント82ポイント  (138子コメント)

Even as an American who strongly believes in free speech.

I get it, its understandable. Especially to keep such things from children. Even though I must say laws that use such vague categories really should be re-evaluated.

[–]Haifischbecken 82ポイント83ポイント  (7子コメント)

Something I found that shows that in other cases these laws are way less radical is this picture of the ministry of finance

This is not a work of photoshop but was done for the movie "mein Führer" which is a comedy.

Edit2: The movie was criticized for the way it portrayed Hitler (according to the German Wikipedia article) but came to cinemas in Germany so it was fine by law.

Edit:also portayed

[–]NezgulVictorian Emperor 48ポイント49ポイント  (3子コメント)

Wait, that's real? Like, real Nazi flags on a German government building?

I appreciate the "for satirical purposes" intention of their law <3

[–]JehovahsHitlist 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's not just a government building. It's a government building built by the Nazis. As a matter of fact it used to be the headquarters of the Luftwaffe during WW2 I believe. It wasn't torn down because it was in East Berlin and the Soviets wanted to keep it for reasons I forget. It's now the ministry of finances, as mentioned above. If you go on a walking tour in Berlin (you should) you'll probably walk past it. It's a terrifying building, one of the biggest I've ever seen, and you get a real sense of the fear and awe the Nazis wanted to convey.

[–]Haifischbecken 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, as said the combination of laws makes it hard for games not the one "ban" of nazi symbols.

[–]Tamer_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

According to this page (in German), that's how they decorated the building during the shooting of the 2007 film Mein Fürher.

[–]Answermancer 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hey not trying to be pedantic but you've done this twice so I thought you might want a heads up that the word you are using should be "portrayed" which is totally different than "portrait."

Actually I mostly bring it up since your post above did it and it confused the hell out of me at first (since this thread is about a portrait, ironically enough).

[–]Haifischbecken 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah tanks of course it is.

[–]xepa105 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

this picture of the ministry of finance

I just imagine a German guy waking up one morning, walking to work, past the government building he's seen a hundred times, and seeing that. Imagine the shock.

[–]FinlandAAR 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yep, they should. The problem is that there's always something that's more urgent and important. Changing what is classified as a toy seems insignificant to most people.

[–]Asiak 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup funny how in either country if you heard of lawmakers debating if games were the same as toys. You would roll your eyes, and want them to get to more important issues. Not realizing it could be an important issue.

Kinda makes ya think.

[–]HetzerScheming Nerd -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I get it, its understandable. Especially to keep such things from children.

A picture of Hitler is going to turn little kids into 4 foot tall foot soldiers of the fouth reich?

[–]VoxUmbra 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

toys can't be Hitler

Clearly you haven't watched Toy Story 3

[–]BadGoyWithAGunVictorian Emperor 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Edit: Also if I understood that correctly in the WWW today there will be a free DLC outside of Germany to unlock Hitlers face and there will probably be mods.

As a German, I hope the Polandball mod gets ported to HoI4. Irreverence and mockery are the only appropriate responses to censorship.

[–]God_mit_uns[S] 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

Or, y'know, petitioning the government to end the censorship is good too.

[–]DocSwiss 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

But that takes effort and memes are easy

[–]spankymuffin 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

In Germany games are toys and toys can't be Hitler.

Don't these laws apply to other forms of entertainment, like movies? I remember people talking about how "Inglourious Basterds" was edited to get rid of all the swastikas.

[–]PlayMp1Scheming Duke 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Depends, but stuff considered art or educational is protected. Lots of movies get a pass, video games don't because they're not considered art.

[–]Haifischbecken 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

They do but in varying degrees (see this coment)

I don't know how it was handled in "Inglourious Basterds"

[–]trj820 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, that was just the advertising. The movie was fine.

[–]respscorpMap Staring Expert 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why not do what many other publishers do?

Release a normal game for the rest of the world, and a Special version for Germany? It shouldn't even affect the project budget much, since the differences should be all minor and data related.

edit - it seem like they plan to do though the dlc system

[–]Git_gud_SkrubLoyal Daimyo 33ポイント34ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fucking Benito looks so smug.

[–]DocSwiss 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

He always kinda did, at least when he didn't look like a supervillain or a Bond villain

[–]PeacefulnewworldLoyal Daimyo 27ポイント28ポイント  (3子コメント)

As a Japanese I always find it a bit funny when people think that flag in the picture was the national flag of Imperial Japan. That was a flag for Imperial Japanese Military, and still in use in Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force even today. The current our national flag has been the national one since (basically) the Meiji Restoration.

[–]KimJintae 32ポイント33ポイント  (1子コメント)

While I don't doubt that people have misconceptions over the flag (much like the Confederate one), Paradox is using the Rising Sun to distinguish between fascist and democratic Japan, the latter uses the Hinomaru. It may not be historically accurate, but it is nonetheless the reason why.

[–]PeacefulnewworldLoyal Daimyo 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, I see. Thanks : D

[–]FutomatoVictorian Emperor 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

The military flag is much more recognized, because, well, you know.

[–]PortTackApproach 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

Why do only the axis leaders get cool hats?

[–]onlysane1 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

Because part of being a Fascist means you get to wear a cool hat.

[–]NotAzakanAtAll 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Where do I sign up?

[–]BatBreaker9002Victorian Emperor 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

On this piece of paper.

[–]AspiringgMageMap Staring Expert 59ポイント60ポイント  (26子コメント)

These portraits are so divergent in quality. Mussolini looks way worse than Stalin, for instance.

[–]flawless_flaw 74ポイント75ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, come on, I mean the British leader doesn't even look close to Churchill! Chamberlain

[–]wheresmysnackScheming Duke 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's too early in the morning for this nonsense.

[–]The_Turk2Victorian Emperor 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

You mean Hirohito did not have a large swollen cheek?

[–]MechaAaronBurr 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

He just got back from having a crown done.

[–]AlmightyBVictorian Emperor 26ポイント27ポイント  (5子コメント)

[–]DankandSpank 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly, his comment is just plain wrong imo

[–]AspiringgMageMap Staring Expert 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

And official portraits are inherently equal in quality?

[–]KaiserVonIkapoc 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

I mean... Mussolini does have the jawline over Stalin, but Stalin still has his overly-oiled moustache. How about we fuse it together to form Stalini?

[–]Ilitarist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think Mussolini had a worse painter/makeup. I think Stalin was probably photoshopped by some tools at the time cause on many photos he looks not nearly as good. He captures this "wise and strong emperor" look Mussolini was going for too, but Mussolini doesn't look as confident and natural.

[–]EdmundRiceMap Staring Expert 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Robin Williams looks pretty good as the President of France.

[–]AnCo17 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Holy shit I've seen you on SC also. Rare to see a crossover like that.

[–]EdmundRiceMap Staring Expert 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Rare to see a crossover like that.

Would you call it.... surreal?

[–]AzorGetHype 22ポイント23ポイント  (4子コメント)

If you were to wipe my memory and I had no idea who either of those two men were, I would have guessed Mussolini was the Soviet

[–]night1172Drunk City Planner 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's the hat isn't it

[–]AzorGetHype 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

Also the sexy jaw line

[–]LordZounds 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

I demand a young Stalin mod.

[–]SwamanII 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hirohito just looks so puffy to me. Like a squirrel with nuts in its cheeks.

[–]zephyy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Superior socialist realism artistry.

[–]GeorgesBUVictorian Emperor 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm quite enjoying the ones of nerdy Hirohito and caffeine crazed Chamberlain though

[–]DankandSpank 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I disagree completely Stalin, looks like stone faced Stalin, resolute and calm. Mousolini looks like the fascist he was, and the imagery fits with the fascist propaganda of his regime.

[–]PostHedge_HedgehogMaster Baiter 15ポイント16ポイント  (23子コメント)

People whose portraits are not permitted: Hitler and Muhammed.

[–]dragonthingy 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

No pic of King George V; bad game.

[–]Voxlashi 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, and why the hell do they use the insignificant Josef Stalin as leader of the Soviet Union, as opposed to chairman Mikhail Kalinin? And since when was Mussolini head of state in Italy?

[–]ElagabalusRex 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Podcat didn't finish his painting of his idol.

[–]MaxCHEATER64A King of Europa 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love how all these world leaders are all wearing practical suits or coats and then japan is just like hey bitches

[–]God_mit_uns[S] 34ポイント35ポイント  (8子コメント)

Screenshot from the HoI4 country selection screen showing that they did in fact opt to go with Hitler's face being blacked out, which is a real step backwards as Hitler did appear in HoI3 I don't know what sort of Hitler Nazis would ban such a handsome man from appearing in a game about himself but it stinks.

[–]theJalden 43ポイント44ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the difference is that one is a photograph and another is an artistic rendering that could be construed as propaganda. It's stupid, but so is the law and I can't blame them for trying to avoid a legal battle.

[–]bipolarfuchsMap Staring Expert 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

It'll only be blacked out in the German version of the game as they will provide a day one free update that adds his face for all non-German users.

Also Hitler did in fact not appear in (most) German versions of Hearts of Iron III either - instead they replaced high-ranking Nazis with made-up people like "Allo Lidd" instead of Hitler. And to be honest, I'd much prefer the blacked-out face.

[–]Coup_de_BOO 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also Hitler did in fact not appear in (most) German versions of Hearts of Iron III either - instead they replaced high-ranking Nazis with made-up people like "Allo Lidd" instead of Hitler.

I understand why paradox made it but it's stupid.

[–]Asiak 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Are you sure hes not blacked out because you haven't unlocked him yet. And not because Paradox did it purposefully?

It would be really stupid of them to just black out Hitler in a WW2 game.

[–]Zep_RockoScheming Duke 37ポイント38ポイント  (1子コメント)

To my knowledge Hitler was only removed from the German version.

[–]Asiak 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh okay.

That is probably unavoidable they are very particular about their Hitler imagery, understandably.

[–]ObeseMoreeceMap Staring Expert 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why would Hitler have an espionage bonus? Germany were shit at spying.

[–]RixMixed 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This wouldn't bug me as much if I didn't see how good the portrait looked beforehand.

[–]AlmightyBVictorian Emperor 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

The different heights and rotations of the leaders is niggling away at me.

[–]Riekopo 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dark mysterious Hitler

[–]SimokonGamesIron General 8ポイント9ポイント  (21子コメント)

Don't worry everyone the steam workshop will fix this.

[–]endercoaster 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

A day one free-lc will fix this outside of Germany

[–]Trot1217A King of Europa 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

And Germans will get their mod version of it on day 2.

[–]critfist 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I hate having to rely on mods in a game. Especially when it risks changing the checksum.

[–]SimokonGamesIron General 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think cosmetic changing mods do anything to the checksum, this is the case with eu4 at least.

[–]Augustus420 -1ポイント0ポイント  (16子コメント)

Not sure why you would be downvoted. Honestly one thing I can't stand is when people use the vanilla maps. It's simply game breaking for me to have the Nazis not use the damn nazi flag. About the same for The Romans in EU4 and CK2, at least I have to have those names corrected from fucking Byzantium.

[–]GorfooScheming Duke 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

"Roman Empire" would complicate stuff regarding the reunification events, though, and "Eastern Roman Empire" is just long.

[–]NezgulVictorian Emperor 3ポイント4ポイント  (11子コメント)

at least I have to have those names corrected from fucking Byzantium.

But that's a correct term?

[–]DilettanteA King of Europa 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Byzantium is a real town, but not the name of the empire. It never stopped calling itself the Roman Empire, nor did its enemies. The Sultanate of Rum, for example, takes its name from them.

Later historians, wanting a way to distinguish the later empire (with its Christian religion, medieval armies, Greek language and capital in Constantinople) from the early empire (with its pagan religion, legionnaires, Latin language and capital in Rome) coined the term 'byzantine' because it meant the town where Constantinople was built - e.g. The Roman Empire as centered in Constantinople.

[–]NezgulVictorian Emperor 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I understand that, but it is a correct term that is accepted in academia to refer to late-period Rome.

[–]ElagabalusRex 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Found the HRE apologist.

[–]TheWolfFateScheming Duke -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

No it's not?

[–]NezgulVictorian Emperor 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's a term used by academia to distinguish a period of Roman history. It is widely accepted and used by nearly every mainstream historian.

[–]God_mit_uns[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yes in the present day, but it doesn't make sense in the timeline. It's like calling world war one world war one in 1920, it doesn't make any sense as it wasn't called WW1 until after WW2.

[–]NezgulVictorian Emperor 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

There are plenty examples of this in Pdox games, though. There are certainly far more appropriate terms for many titles in CK2, such as West Francia/Neustria and Middle Francia/Austrasia. West/Middle Francia are appropriate terms, but if we're going for "period" terminology, then Neustria/Austrasia is more accurate.

[–]God_mit_uns[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

True.

[–]NezgulVictorian Emperor 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Like, don't get me wrong or anything, I'm not bashing people that prefer Roman Empire over Byzantium. I myself do. It's just not accurate to say that "Byzantium" or "Byzantine Empire" is incorrect, because it's still referring to Rome, just a very specific period in Roman history.

[–]AstronelsonA King of Europa 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

A note on this point:

It's like calling world war one world war one in 1920, it doesn't make any sense as it wasn't called WW1 until after WW2.

English journalist Charles à Repington, diary 10 September 1918 (recounted in a book called The First World War: 1914-1918, published in 1920):

"We discussed the right name of the war. I said that we called it now The War, but that this could not last. The Napoleonic War was The Great War. To call it The German War was too much flattery for the Boche. I suggested The World War as a shade better title, and finally we mutually agreed to call it The First World War in order to prevent the millennium folk from forgetting that the history of the world was the history of war."

Ernst Haeckel referred to it as "the first world war" (note capitalisation) before it even broke out, but this seems more of a description of what he perceived as its potential scope rather than a name.

In common parlance, they were called the First World War and Second World War pretty much immediately after the outbreak of the Second.

[–]TourDude 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

What game is this from?

[–]jansenchengStellar Explorer 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Uh... Hearts of Iron 4?

[–]Rainman105 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

HEILarious.

[–]Shrederjame 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

As long as this is not the case for the American version or a option to turn on portrait of Hitler I am fine with this.

[–]Potato_Mc_Whiskey 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its only for the Yerman version.

[–]EdelsbergUnemployed Wizard 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You have to beat the adventure mode on hard difficulty with any nation. After that, you should get a challenger appears for Hitler. Good luck!

[–]PatriotGabe 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I kind of like this. Like Hitler is held in such shame that he isn't shown. For whatever reason I'm getting a war doctor vibe out of this, before they all bonded and became friends. Back when "what he did was not in the name of the doctor."

[–]james9883Map Staring Expert 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

He will be shown after the game releases, unless you have the German version. This was said during a Hearts of Iron 4 stream.

[–]WalnutNode 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

History shouldn't be censored. How can we learn to confront evil if we can't even look it in the face.

[–]Rytho 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is that de gaul? Looks like Chamberlain too

[–]labalag 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

This breaks the NDA.

[–]smurphy1Map Staring Expert 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is it from one of the streams?

[–]howdoesilogin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How do so many people get the game? i thought the beta was really hard to get?

[–]mongo_lloyd 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If Hitler had a proper portrait to begin with, how could they have a Portraits of Hitler day one DLC?

[–]Tharberg -2ポイント-1ポイント  (7子コメント)

TBH, Germanys anti-nazi laws are fucking stupid. The more you make nazism a taboo the more attention you give it.

[–]ObeseMoreeceMap Staring Expert 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

They're all for giving it attention, they don't want it glorified. The German education system makes a huge point of drilling the holocaust into students' heads so as to say "LOOK HOW BAD WE FUCKED UP, LOOK!".

[–]onlysane1 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

While I'm normally for freedom of speech, I think it's reasonable to make an exception for an ideology that sparked a global war and led to the deaths of 70 million people.

[–]EdBloomKiss 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Plus at this point it'd be a bit odd to read the headline "Germany removes ban of Nazi imagery" in the newspaper if they did revert the laws now.

[–]Tharberg 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If the requirements for banning an ideology are murder of millions of people, then we could add communism to that list as well.

Instead, Merkel is a communist herself. I'm not saying that because I disagree with her, but rather because she really is one- she was raised in the DDR and participated in communist rallies and groups. Merkel is also alleged to have been a propaganda secretary for the youth movement, the FDJ.

But she might have changed, right? I wish.

[–]Phalanx300Map Staring Expert 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same could be said of communism. Hiding things isn't the best way to combat it.