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First female 7k player? (self.DotA2)

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[–]Rip [A}lliance 2013-2013KenpatchiRama-Sama -16ポイント-15ポイント  (180子コメント)

Gender has nothing to do with dota skills, this is just like saying "first blue eyed, black haired person to reach 7k"

[–]lemonhoney 36ポイント37ポイント  (16子コメント)

try imagining a scenario where maybe the French dota community sucks for a long time for whatever reason, even though frenchness has nothing to do with dota skills. then a French team becomes the first to qualify for a major! I think that would be worth a Reddit post, basically meaning "look, we are closer to having a French team play at the very highest level! cool! look out for awesome French teams in the next few years!"

that's how I see this post, but for gender instead of frenchness.

[–]onoki 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's actually close to that for Finnish players. Finnish teams have always sucked in Dota, but when Team Liquid (or 5JuNGz at that time) was formed with 2 Finnish players, I was happy for Finnish players making it to a top tier team (Matumbaman and Jerax).

[–]Smithsonian45 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I am very excited for this iteration of Newbee, as kpii is the only australian in ages to actually get some level of success (he was also on TI5 MVP). Hoping slickz can find some success on EverNovaS, but not as optimistic about that one

[–]HINDBRAIN [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

even though frenchness has nothing to do with dota skills

What? It totally does. They fucking suck.

[–]lemonhoney [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

well, it's all hypothetical. this kenpatchi poster believes gender has nothing to do with dota skills, so I'm trying to show even if that were true this post is still OK

[–]Jimbo727 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's how it should be if not anyway. :)

[–]secretLo-G -5ポイント-4ポイント  (10子コメント)

There has never been a female pro gamer in the history of pro gaming. Must be mysoginy holding them back bro.

[–]fruitbooploops 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

lmao nice lonely life u have. looking through ur post history its clearly no one has ever loved you.

[–]I am the harbinger of your destructionphasmy 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's definitely due to societal norms and the strong male domination in the field of gaming. Women like all humans want to be respected, adored, and acknowledged by their peers. It's still pretty common for women who don't fit into the outdated stereotype of what a woman should be to be shunned and seen in a negative light by men and even other women.

[–]Crashing this lane with no survivors-Reactionary_Vizier- 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Women like all humans want to be respected, adored, and acknowledged by their peers

Yeah I mainly play dota2 for the respect, adoration and acknowledgment I get from 4 random pubbers each game.

I definitely wouldn't play dota2 if it wasn't publically idolised as a pinnacle of masculine identity. Some people think people play strategy games for the strategy, and that they do it anonymously in private with no possible way for teammates to know what gender they are, and no conceivable reason for people they know in real life to ostracise them for playing the wrong type of computer game, but enlightened redditors like you and me know that the real attraction is the social aspect and above all, how it relates to our sexual identity. And the impact of stereotypes can be clearly seen in the way that negative stereotypes surrounding Pinoys, Russians and Peruvians have massively stunted the popularity of Dota2 in their respective countries.

[–]ThatForearmIsMineNow -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

Scarlett?

[–]secretLo-G -4ポイント-3ポイント  (5子コメント)

No offense, but (s)he was born a man, had the hormonal levels of a man for all of puberty, and masculine dimorphism in brain structure that goes along with it. This is wayy off topic though so PM me if you want to continue the discussion.

[–]Wards speak louder than wordsNeroVuk 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wow. Holy shit, did I travel back in time to, koji kurac....

[–]ThatForearmIsMineNow 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

She's still female, so your initial statement is false.

Why the "(s)he"?

[–]Ricapica 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

but wouldnt you be surprised for the first blue eyed white dragon haired person to reach 7k?

[–]Soul TrainAiges 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

As a black man, all I want to see some black doto players in the pro scene

A guy can only dream right?

[–]Give Notail FlairYuskia [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Be the change your want to see.

[–]They call it puppy loveMadCow1116 18ポイント19ポイント  (14子コメント)

I remember the days when someone would say "first woman to do something" and people would just be happy for them. Now people always just talk about equality bullshit and ignore the achievement. wtf is wrong with people.

[–]Crashing this lane with no survivors-Reactionary_Vizier- 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The figures I've seen said that Dota2 is about 97% male playerbase (LoL is 90%)

So if women are far less likely to be interested in dota2, it's conceivable that there's a bell curve of interest, such that the portion of 5k+ players who are female is even less than 3%

From what I've heard women tend to like more casual games on average, which would imply that female players within a game will be shifted towards the more casual end of things. This is heavily implied by the disparity between the figures for dota2 and LoL.

[–]lmao given 15 Dec 2015Nin10dude64 1ポイント2ポイント  (22子コメント)

I don't think OP ever meant to say that gender plays a role but to this day we haven't seen anyone but guys commit enough to get to 7k+ mmr

Edit: until this day I meant

[–]Giorggio360 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It probably does because if you're a man in DotA, using voice chat causes no issues and people will listen to you and unless you play badly or make stupid calls there is no reason to listen to you. If you're a girl, as soon as you start using voice chat people will start spewing memes or even refuse to listen to you because you're just a girl. So whilst it has nothing to do with skills, the team environment which is also required to win is made instantly more toxic by your team mates' reaction simply because you're a girl and therefore winning games is inherently harder.

[–]Motoe2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

That of some men asking for a date just because of girl.

[–]Gearking -2ポイント-1ポイント  (26子コメント)

They never play video games... No ones trying to hurt your feminism or whatever. It's just rare to see a girl at 7k. If it bothers you so much go to /r/feminism or something

[–]Wards speak louder than wordsNeroVuk 6ポイント7ポイント  (25子コメント)

You and anyone who thinks like you have no idea how feminism works, I mean, why would this "hurt anyones feminism", wtf does that even mean?

[–]Gearking -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

People have made it pretty clear what feminism is nowadays and that's probably why nobody respects it

[–]Wards speak louder than wordsNeroVuk 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yeah, thats what happens when you learn about ideologies from Youtube comments. Pick up a book, I recommend a history book.

[–]Gearking -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is /r/dota2 man I'm not gonna argue with you about feminism

[–]Wards speak louder than wordsNeroVuk 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now you remembered that, after the entire thread having nothing to do with Dota.

[–]Rondariel 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I just want to say if all your information about modern feminism comes from reddit please just please read about it somewhere else.

If there is anything you take away from this thread please let it be that.

[–]mjc354 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah start with the SCUM Manifesto

[–]Crashing this lane with no survivors-Reactionary_Vizier- -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Feminism is boring so instead of reading about it, you should Read Edward Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (in Six Volumes) published towards the close of the 18th century. My favourite non-fiction work by far

[–]Gearking -4ポイント-3ポイント  (17子コメント)

I said hurt your feminism as a joke, but most feminist can't take jokes so it's okay just take deep breaths and try to have a sense of humor

[–]EU? 4Head China? EleGiggle NA? KreygasmTheSwaguar 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here's a free tip: Jokes are supposed to be funny. Try making your joke funny next time.

[–]Wards speak louder than wordsNeroVuk 0ポイント1ポイント  (15子コメント)

most feminist can't take jokes

whatever.

[–]Crashing this lane with no survivors-Reactionary_Vizier- -1ポイント0ポイント  (11子コメント)

getting triggered this quickly

dammit how do you greentext on this website

[–]Wards speak louder than wordsNeroVuk 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

Thanks for your meaningful insight.

[–]Crashing this lane with no survivors-Reactionary_Vizier- -1ポイント0ポイント  (9子コメント)

Do you actually not see whats wrong with that sentence? I don't need thanks, I am perfectly insightful, I have idea why you are thanking me, and I have no idea what you are implying about my comment. Implying something as if you are thanking me when you are being called out for getting triggered doesn't make it a thankyou.

And I see you have good intentions but implying things in this day and age is a choice, so you really have no excuse for thanking people even if your intentions are not bad. just stop being an implier. Its not even hard.

Edit: In case you are wondering, I AM legitimately Aspergers, I even have the certificate from a psychologist

Edit*2:

whatever.

xD

[–]Wards speak louder than wordsNeroVuk 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

Wow, you really have a lot of free time.

[–]mjc354 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

I don't get how you can say things like "Do you not see what is wrong with that sentence?" and "being stupid in this time and age is a choice" and then actually call people retards.

Like the ableism omgwtf smh uwu

[–]EU? 4Head China? EleGiggle NA? KreygasmTheSwaguar 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

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[–]Crashing this lane with no survivors-Reactionary_Vizier- [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

As it happens, I was taking the piss out of his comment by copying the structure and changing some specific words- only the edits were mine-, but then he deleted most of it and now it looks like I was the progenitor of this gem of butthurt overreaction....

But tbh my version is better anyway, because it has wider applicability. You are doing God's work.

[–]Crashing this lane with no survivors-Reactionary_Vizier- -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

This comment edit is the most beautifully ironic thing I've seen for a while

[–]Wards speak louder than wordsNeroVuk 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

you win

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[–]I am the harbinger of your destructionphasmy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a pretty huge accomplishment and should rightfully get noticed. For other women, this gives them someone to look up to and an incentive to be competitive in DotA despite all the sexism they might encounter.

There's no rational reason someone wouldn't want this accomplishment to be recognized and be more well-known.

[–]DLTyrus -1ポイント0ポイント  (15子コメント)

But people still have to condescend to women like "well done for doing this thing that men can do!" while pretending its about supporting womens' rights.

[–]JeefyPants 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's almost like they weren't allowed to do the same thing as men for hundreds of years

[–]womenrstoopid -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

yea ikr those dumb bitches were not allowed to play computer games in the 1600-2000s!

[–]Not very happy, indeed.jobhenrique 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

username checks

[–]JeefyPants 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm thinking you're not very good at reading or context

[–]Rip [A}lliance 2013-2013KenpatchiRama-Sama 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

And until women compete equally, instead of being segregated into "women only cups" and put on pedestals like in this post, that will continue

[–]SaltFinderGeneral 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yes, acknowledging the first female 7k player is definitely putting AXX on a pedestal. You have to be a real white knight to take any notice of this sort of thing.

[–]We rooting for you, MinD_ContRoL!dunaluna 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Except for the fact that making a special category for women implies that women cannot compete for men. Do you think women are worse at dota than men?

[–]SaltFinderGeneral 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're telling me a complete absence of 7k female players before just now suggests there isn't some barrier? That was just random chance? You don't think the first female player to hit 7k would feel some sense of accomplishment over that, rather than feeling, ahem, "degraded" when it's brought up?

Also lets give this "hurr, special category hurr this is degrading pedestaling" non-sense a break. No one is saying we should organize a parade, it's trivia that people are bizarrely over-reacting to.

[–]e-guy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait, now I agree with a fair amount of everything else you've said so far, but that seems fairly obviously wrong.

AXX is being measured by the exact same scale (MMR) as the male players, and that scale isn't being made easier for her just because she's a woman. 7K is 7K is 7K. A guy's 7K is not a girl's 6.5K or anything like that.

She's being raised up as an example, sure, but no special category is being made. She's being measured by the exact same standards as her male peers.

[–]Rip [A}lliance 2013-2013KenpatchiRama-Sama -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

First female X, first female Y are unnecessary and degrading. "I wasn't the first, so I need to move the goalposts until I am".

If you are person number 45 on the moon, you are person number 45, not "first male American Journalist on the moon"

[–]ddidiodion 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Incorrect, you're in fact both. It's a measure of the chip on someone's shoulder how much they care about which identifier another person uses.

[–]SaltFinderGeneral -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Uh, how exactly is it unnecessary or degrading to acknowledge that piece of trivia exactly? Perhaps better question who exactly are you to speak for someone else as to what they find unnecessary or degrading? It's an accomplishment I'm sure the player is proud of for one reason or another, and it befuddles me people need to get all pissy about poorly thought out gender politics for no apparent reason instead of simply being happy for another human being (or shit, even just entirely neutral if it truly doesn't impress you which is just fine).

[–]Older than FEAR himselfcantadmittoposting -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's not at all what this post did.

[–]LIFESTEALERbluetentacle -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sometimes you need a figure of inspiration. That is why this is done.

As in: ''Women can do it too see? If Axx could you can do it too''.

[–]Migiel -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

congratz just by typing that comment youve mad taht about her gender

[–]Older than FEAR himselfcantadmittoposting -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah your comparative descriptor is wrong since "blue eyed, black haired player" are minor traits comparatively. 7k is still a big deal even if there's an increasing number of 8ks, and to acknowledge that females can reach that height as well as males does more to inspire more females to do better competitively than it does to somehow degrade them. Put down the lance and shield there, Galahad.

[–]We rooting for you, MinD_ContRoL!dunaluna -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

How do you know gender has nothing to do with dota skills?

[–]Crashing this lane with no survivors-Reactionary_Vizier- -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's scientific fact that men and women think differently, and so it's only natural that one sex should have more interest in say, strategic computer games than the other.

Considering that dota2 is neither useful nor virtuous, it's not even an insult to women to claim that they are worse at dota2. Still less so, when the reason is probably just that they aren't interested.

People get sidetracked from these simple facts because they are paranoid about misogyny.

Edit: by 'Bad at Dota2' I should have said 'don't play dota2 at all'. And if you consider a bell curve of people interested in dota2 - from the fanatical 8k players to the 1k unranked casuals - it would be reasonable to assume that a demographic with so few people interested in playing at all will also be skewed to the more casual end of the matchmaking spectrum.

[–]So begins a new age of knowledge.Arven1337 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (6子コメント)

Well it clearly has since shes the first one to reach 7k, while the other gender has reached 8.9k.

[–]Rip [A}lliance 2013-2013KenpatchiRama-Sama 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Not at all, thats not how statistics work.

[–]So begins a new age of knowledge.Arven1337 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Please tell me, how do they work then?

[–]Rip [A}lliance 2013-2013KenpatchiRama-Sama -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

If you toss a coin, and it lands on heads, does that mean that tails has a 0% chance of happening when you toss it?

[–]So begins a new age of knowledge.Arven1337 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

If the coin has been tossed 500 times and it has landed 99% of time on heads, it does mean that heads is the more likely thing to happen.

[–]Older than FEAR himselfcantadmittoposting 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The sample set in skewed heavily in this instance, it's not like a coin flip. Statistics don't apply to biased samples.l like that.

Edit: extrapolating statistics. Descriptive stats are correct for the set by definition, but are meaningless when applied beyond the observed data set.

[–]AfraidOfToasters[🍰] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are treating a dependent probability as if it has no dependency.

[–]Top 2 NA KappaTechiesOrFeed -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe not with skills, but it definitely makes it harder to get very far in Dota and other video games in general.