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Wolfsburg are absolutely dismantling Madrid right now. PSV went toe to toe with Atletico. Were we less shit than results suggest in Europe? (self.reddevils)

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I feel like an injury ravaged, fatigued squad actually did alright in the CL now that my LvGout rage has subsided.

Still Mourinho in blahblah but we were nowhere near as bad as Real Madrid are tonight.

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[–]moodyswinger 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

This only makes me more gutted we didn't go through instead of Wolfsburg.

[–]elneebreMata 50ポイント51ポイント  (4子コメント)

No we were pretty shit, still are

[–]DANNYWELBECK12345De Gea 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

people convincing themselves our group was good lmao

[–]SonnyisKing -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

PSV lost their best player to us in the summer, and their other best player went to Newcastle and they still comfortably qualified.

[–]reddevilsruled08Scholes 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

The problem is we could've won those games. It's not like Wolfsburg played brilliant football to beat us. We had serious lapses in those games and were sorely lacking in quality. The second loss to Wolfsburg was unforgivable imo. But even worse was the 0-0 against psv. Going out with 8 points does show a bit of bad luck, but by no means did we deserve to go trough playing the way we did.

[–]yiyiyiyiHerrera 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wolfsburg did score an absolutely world class goal against us.

[–]LDN2016[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

were sorely lacking in quality.

That's my point. We have an awful squad.

Look at that Mata limp clearance vs midget land. Nobody coaches you to make mistakes that massive.

[–]kw9403Rooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This should be top comment. People don't look at the performances but would rather look at the name and apply it to every single situation, that isn't how it works. We might have had Barca in our group and beat them, doesn't mean we are the best team in the would. Isn't as 2 tone as that

[–]Willszz1De Gea 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'd counter by saying Wolfsburg are 8th in the Bundesliga. Can't just pick and choose results that make what we did look better.

[–]LDN2016[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Bit of an aberration of a season for them though, Chelsea's similar this season. Dortmund were the same last season.

[–]Willszz1De Gea 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's still the same team though. It's more relevant to compare a team against the season you played them in.

[–]ibaRRaVzLaWayne Rooney, United Legend. 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

We were shit. We are shit. Sometimes things go our way, doesn't mean we're not playing like trash.

[–]YoungPappy 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

When you are supposed to be one of the biggest clubs in the world you shouldn't finish third in a group with Wolfsburg, Cska and Psv. We were utter shite like we have been all season.

[–]omegaxLoLAnder Herrera 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No we were still pretty terrible. Still are.

[–]KingCantona777 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have a feeling City will pull a lucky win against PSG and go through to face Wolfsburg in the semis. Holy fuck what happened. Would HATE to see City make the semis let alone the final. Fuck.

[–]JGQuintelMata -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Remember the post about Bayern last time? For fucks sake, wait until it's over. Madrid will probably win it yet.

[–]SonnyisKing 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

These Van Gaal dicksuckers have the attention spams of goldfishes. They forget all the shit we endured under him this season as soon as we win 2/3 games in a row. It literally happens all the time.

[–]TrickyxoneMemphis -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just throw insults and make your usual gay comments (what do they say about those people most in denial) instead of actually arguing the point, you win shitposter of the year.

[–]ProletariusMaximus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fucking hell the comments in this thread.

[–]Jhix -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's already 2 posts about this

[–]SonnyisKing 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Our squad wasn't injury ravaged and fatiqued early on when we had shit results in Europe. Yet again and example of LVG fanbois altering history to suit their agenda's.

Also why are you forgetting our joke of a performance against our biggest rivals Liverpool over two legs, and the pathetic disgraceful 2-1 loss to FC Midjteland who barely played a competitive match in 2 months... Pretty convenient how you forgot those. Then again LVG disciples don't use facts or logic when sucking their master off, it's always excuses and alternate realities with them.

  • Downvote all you want, it won't change anything, Vangle will be sacked and his last job will end in humiliation and failure for him. All his cult will fuck off and support another club, and we will get a fantastic manager in to replace the shit one. Good days ahead.

[–]red-17 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean I'm sure seeing your teammate snap his leg in half is probably not to good for the teams psychology for the rest of a game.

[–]ReflectingGodMata 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wolfburg drew Gent, the easiest draw. PSV drew Atletico who are incredibly strong defensively but often a little blunt going forward. PSV are very good defensively and played out of their skins, they didn't go toe to toe, they barely held on for the full 90. Today Madrid rolled over for Wolfsburg.

PSV and Wolfsburg are good sides though we were still expected to top the group, arguably the easiest group. The difference between us advancing and not was a late goal in the PSV game so you could argue we aren't as bad as Europe suggests but then again, we went and lost to Midtjylland. Over two legs we won sure, but losing to such a poor side is inexcusable. We then went out to what is in my opinion, currently, a better side in Liverpool.

But don't read too much into European results. Anything can happen over two legs, an injury can change the tie and form regularly changes going into these fixtures. Real Madrid were awful tonight but if they were to play that match 6 times over, you wouldn't be surprised to see them win the other 5. In terms of our expectations, we underpreformed and we underachieved. LVG stated our aim for this season was to reach the quarter finals and football fans everywhere and the bookies had us as favorites to top the group. But as I said, I don't read too much into these results and I'm not going to call for LVG's head based on 5 or 6 poor European matches. The league however...

[–]DANNYWELBECK12345De Gea -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

We didn't do alright lol we should have came first easily.

[–]Kiddcohen39Ander Herrera 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Eh idk about easily. Sure, Manchester United in a vacuum should come first in that group but the squad we had to work with was not good enough to expect those results. Not in hindsight at least, I was absolutely fuming at the time.

[–]DANNYWELBECK12345De Gea -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why are we convincing ourselves that our group was difficult after tonight result? lol

[–]Kiddcohen39Ander Herrera -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

We're basing it on the other teams in our groups performances in Europe. Which were exceptional. So one can infer it was not as easy a group as it was made out to be if they took Atleti to penaltys and are currently beating Real Madrid among other games.

[–]LDN2016[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

The most frustrating thing was we totally dominated PSV and they still beat us with 2 jammy goals.

I never thought PSV looked competent against us, we were undone by our own lethargy.

Atleast Wolfsburg was dangerous and kept tearing us apart. That match was a proper end to end affair and a bit like when LvG's Bayern beat us 3-2. Evenly matched but we were a little worse.

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Considering how pathetic our net summer spend was, how many injuries we've had I can sort of see it being an almost acceptable result.

[–]DANNYWELBECK12345De Gea -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

PSV completely deserved the win at home, after Shaw's injury our heads went down and played awfully.

[–]JayDevilK1993 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think we have been worse in the league than we were in CL for sure but we still underperformed and our woes go beyond results. The football has been shit. Just not pleasant to watch and i'm sorry but that's the whole point isn't it?

Also we shouldn't compare ourselves to anyone. We can all see things aren't great in our own camp and it's no secret that Real are having a shit season by their standards too. I can't think of any games this year in CL where I thought we deserved more. All those games were so agonisingly winnable. We never got raped like Real just did, but we did fuck all chance wise either.

We've always had horrid luck with injuries and It's something that managers need to account for. I'm all for keeping squad small(ish) but the cuts we made have turned out to be an error from the manager. Not regarding the players that left but the fact that they weren't sufficiently replaced. Smalling and Blind made up one of the strongest defences at the beginning of the season. Problems is, We needed another CB and manager didn't deliver. Now they are both burning out from overuse. Same goes for most of our regulars.

[–]LDN2016[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Possession football is unpleasant to watch 99% of the time. Obviously Schneiderlin isn't going to pass as well as Busquets.

[–]JayDevilK1993 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol what's your point exactly?

[–]danskzwag -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

We had a pretty much full strength team against PSV and took no risk and drew.

[–]idratherwalkalone 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe