38
39

US Presidential Election megathread III: there has always been an election megathread. (self.ShitAmericansSay)

JebusGobsonEurofag Extraordinaire! が 投稿

Megathread 1, Megathread 2

Here you can submit articles etc. about the weird things some candidates say, and discuss the candidates if you are so inclined.

Rules are a little more relaxed here so you can submit stuff that is political and not very funny in and of itself.

The sorting algorithm is set to "new" so new top-level comment are automatically bumped to the top a bit.

全 86 件のコメント
並べ替え:
新着 (提案されたアイデア)
ベストトップ論争中古い順Q&A

[–]aggie1391dear god get me out of this country 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trump is now saying they will win with guns and I wish I was shitting you

[–]canyoutriforce 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

I propose a "I used to be a bernie supporter, now i choose trump over hillary" megathread

[–]thatguyfromb4 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

So Sanders is basically out, the one opportunity Americans had to prove they had some self-respect. Shame.

[–]salami_inferno 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Seriously, my opinion of Americans usually takes a dip every election but this one is really taking the cake. Combined with their response to the Brussels attack and I'm at critical limit.

[–]Calagan 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's like the 2002 french elections all over again. Eugh ...

Also I just can't stand the general responses in most subs to the terrorists attacks as well. That smug "I told you so" bullshit when this is a time for mourning sucks ass.

[–]TrynnaFindaBalance 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Clinton will win. She'll make a hard push for centrism and reason in the general election. The numbers for Trump simply aren't there. There's not enough people who could stomach voting for him (even among the Republican base, which has a significant chance of splintering with a third party candidate in this election).

If the election were held today we would have the first 3 consecutive elections of a center left candidate since FDR. And I'd put money on that not changing much between now and November.

[–]SikletrynetAmerican motherfucker, do you speak it? 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gotta love all the republicans that are blaming Obama for the attacks by being in Cuba, like what the actual fuck?

[–]JanetYellensFuckboymilitary-industrial obesity 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have no words.

[–]silence_hrEngland really butchers the English language 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Try: moron or idiot

[–]thisonewilldontThat's not as good as zero o7 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

time to pay for gold i think, not sure i can last another eight months...

[–]JebusGobsonEurofag Extraordinaire![S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Why? What does gold do?

I've had gold for so long I don't remember how non-gold Reddit is.

[–]thisonewilldontThat's not as good as zero o7 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

filter all, can't use plugins on my work computers

[–]JebusGobsonEurofag Extraordinaire![S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Oh I see! You poor man. Nobody should have to live that way!

[–]thisonewilldontThat's not as good as zero o7 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

haha your charity is appreciated!

peace and quiet without donald and the bern, you've made my day!

[–]JebusGobsonEurofag Extraordinaire![S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I but wanted to thank you for your service O7

[–]thisonewilldontThat's not as good as zero o7 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

a true patriot, may your eagles fly higher o7

[–]reazonozaer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wasn't sure if this music video for Trump deserved it's own post or not so I figured I'd just stick it here... https://youtu.be/lgIhGgrhQeE

[–]donaldtrumpton 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Take me in oh tender woman

http://i.imgur.com/HQwci1o.png

[–]Skin969 8ポイント9ポイント  (12子コメント)

Is the Donald sub satire lime murica was, or do these people genuinely think like that?

[–]Calagan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty sure it's quite close to what /r/murica turned into. Satire at first, now ... quite unclear.

[–]Barry_Scotts_CatInternet European 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The mods are mods of some "opposite" subreddits, but theres a few trolls, most are actual Trumpets

[–]NechaefI hate free speech! 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have some of the tagged as right-wing nutters so some of them are not posting ironically.

[–]silence_hrEngland really butchers the English language 16ポイント17ポイント  (8子コメント)

Can you even tell the difference between a real Trump supporter and a troll?

[–]dehehn 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can you tell if Trump is real or a troll?

[–]silence_hrEngland really butchers the English language 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can he?

[–]SyntheticValkyrurA small loan of a million tears 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

Trump himself retweeted a rare pepe (Trumpepe / Trump Pepe). I think even he himself doesn't know if he is running for real or just pulling a huge troll on the GOP

[–]silence_hrEngland really butchers the English language 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ya, I read theories on that. The problem is that the others aren't much better.

[–]SyntheticValkyrurA small loan of a million tears 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

But you can't deny that he is the candidate with the most memes.

[–]silence_hrEngland really butchers the English language 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He has his moments :)

[–]thisonewilldontThat's not as good as zero o7 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

i've thought about it and i've come to the conclusion, no

[–]Erik_Meijer_"I see men in Highland Dress and I think: I should do that.." 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

I love the production values on this latest Dinesh D'Souza film. These things usually look they've been filmed with a 90s camcorder with a cast of a small town amateur dramatics society.

That said what the actual fuck!?

https://youtu.be/r7e6gLht6OQ

[–]JanetYellensFuckboymilitary-industrial obesity 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is a main point of this thing really that the Democratic party supported slavery? Is this just going to clearly ignore the historical fact that the parties switched platforms?

WTF?

[–]BurgisioAmerica invented electricty 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is that satire?

[–]SchwertritterYurocuck 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dinesh is serious.

[–]ReacoomeSmash 10ポイント11ポイント  (13子コメント)

Trump is a saint compared to cruz.

[–]Dreamerlaxcanadian pc cuck 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

All the major Republican frontrunners would usher in utter doom for the developed world.

[–]ReacoomeSmash 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now you're just overstepping

[–]maxvrodenAustralian, why is your english so good? 11ポイント12ポイント  (10子コメント)

Isn't Cruz the guy who wants to make all schools private and a lot of other really fucked up policies?

[–]W00sterNow with more Freedumb popcorn! 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Cruz is a Dominionist - it is hard to get more crazy even among religious people!

[–]buildabeast99.9% Irish .01% Injun 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He doesn't call himself that though, other people have labeled him that. It's an important distinction. He calls himself a Southern Baptist.

[–]almostasfunnyasyou 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

He think's a flat tax will simplify the tax code enough to get rid of the IRS. Enough said.

Also according to him carpet bombing doesn't kill civilians when you target it right... because that's easy right? Gee why haven't we done that all along?

[–]Barry_Scotts_CatInternet European 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Caret bomb

Target red....

Whut

[–]ObeseMoreeceWhat did Injuns do anyway? 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cruz openly embraced a pastor on stage who, 2 minutes earlier, had said all gays should be put to death.

[–]ReacoomeSmash -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

I did an isidewith auiz and it said I sided 86 or 87% with arubo, 81 with cruz and like 79 0r 76 with trump. I was appalled.... how could the donald be so low on my list! Sanders was like 57 and shillary was 60 something

[–]maxvrodenAustralian, why is your english so good? 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't understand a single thing in your comment.

[–]PenstubalThank you for your service O7 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"english please, this is murrica"

[–]NechaefI hate free speech! 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

isidewith

http://www.isidewith.com/

[–]thisonewilldontThat's not as good as zero o7 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

well it got me right, or rather left...

[–]TheCluetrain_ 24ポイント25ポイント  (13子コメント)

Trump or Cruz? Rubio-bots faulty debate programming cost him his shot. Trump is a dipshit blowhard while Cruz would be for me more scary because he belongs to some nutty Christian cult and has been brainwashed from birth on his role to bring the Kingdom of God to Earth. Whoever wins, we lose.

[–]613codyrexThe American 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

Also Cruz is disliked by most of congress.

Definitely a bad thing to add to the already distinction all government.

[–]newb-linuxCuckopean 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

If most of Congress hates Cruz, couldn't they vote him out when he becomes president?

[–]silence_hrEngland really butchers the English language 23ポイント24ポイント  (8子コメント)

Whoever wins, we lose.

These guys are front runners for presidential race in the US. I don't know that much about Cruz, but most of Republican candidates are fucking nuts if you ask me. We have our own right wing nuts, but it isn't really comparable. Issues they discuss seem fucking crazy from my perspective .... and I lived in communism and than nationalistic half-dictatorship during the war.

[–]W00sterNow with more Freedumb popcorn! 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't know that much about Cruz

See Why You Should be Terrified When Rafael Cruz Says Ted is a New King Josiah

So, if you want King Cruz, by all means! ;-)

Ted Cruz’s Father Preaches That His Son Is An “Anointed King” Who Will Bring The “End Time Transfer Of Wealth”:

In a sermon last year (2012 - my addition) at an Irving, Texas, megachurch that helped elect Ted Cruz to the U.S. Senate, Cruz’ father Rafael Cruz indicated that his son was among the evangelical Christians who are anointed as “kings” to take control of all sectors of society, an agenda commonly referred to as the “Seven Mountains” mandate, and “bring the spoils of war to the priests”, thus helping to bring about a prophesied “great transfer of wealth”, from the “wicked” to righteous gentile believers.

and

Larry Huch spoke,
“I know that’s why God got Rafael’s son elected – Ted Cruz, the next Senator. But here’s the exciting thing – and that’s why I know it’s timely for him to teach this, and bring this anointing. This will begin what we call the “End Time Transfer of Wealth.”

“And that when these gentiles begin to receive this blessing, they will never go back financially through the valley again. God is looking at the church, and everyone in it, and deciding, in the next 3 and 1/2 years, who will be his bankers. And the ones that say, ‘Here am I, Lord, you can trust me’, we will become so blessed that we will usher in the coming of the Messiah.:

[–]SurgeonOfDeatThe only solution to the gun problem are more guns. 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Where are they going to get this "wealth" from though?

[–]urbestfriend9000God save the Waltons 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Transfer of wealth? Sounds like socialism to me! /s

[–]NechaefI hate free speech! 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup and that's why I'm would be afraid of a Cruz presidency and only angry at a Trump presidency

edit : I did something weird to the English language in this post.

[–]selfhatingyankEurope = Cuba + Benzes. Yurop = Chavs + Gypsies. 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

But the US is so much more diverse than Hrvatska. Look at how many different kinds of loony wingnut we have, from the caricature European far-right nationalist who moonlights as a reality TV star to the end-timey Protestant theocracy types to the mafia boss (Christie), the ambiguously gay warmonger (Graham), the polished Wall Street conservatives (Rubio and Romney), and the dystopian corporate rulers (MI governor Rick Snyder).

[–]silence_hrEngland really butchers the English language 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

But the US is so much more diverse than Hrvatska

We are to small to be as diverse as the US.

We also have toilets older then US Constitution.

[–]W00sterNow with more Freedumb popcorn! 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

We also have toilets older then US Constitution.

Can you at least flush them every century or so?

[–]ponfarrvixenUngrateful urban urchin 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

And destroy the historical record!? You sir/madame are a heathen.

[–]potverdoriemake SAS great again 32ポイント33ポイント  (17子コメント)

The thing I would like to discuss about these presidential elections is that many people refuse to acknowledge the very real possibility that Trump can win the presidency.

EDIT: This became a longer wall of text than I imagined, oh well

At the beginning of the primaries, when people realised that Trump was polling very well, reddit was very dismissive of his chances to win the Republican primaries. Whenever I pointed out that Trump had boatloads of the kind of charisma that works so well for populist politics, touched on a lot of points that resonate with conversative voters in the US, and was getting more media coverage than any other Republican candidate, I kept getting rationalisations for why he'd never stand a chance: "The early polls don't say anything", "the GOP establishment doesn't like him", "people will end up voting for a moderate anyway", and so on.

Now we're at the point where it is almost certain that Trump will be the Republican candidate, and you see the same kind of sentiment about his chances for the presidency: "He doesn't have the minority vote", "he'll never attract the swing votes", "people will vote for the moderate candidate".

Many people just don't want to realise that populist politicians like Trump can and do in fact win elections. It's happened many times, but for a very comparable and recent example, just look at what happened in Italy with Silvio Berlusconi.. he didn't just win once, he achieved multiple electoral victories! And Trump has similar things going for him as Berlusconi did, the confident charisma, the entertainment value, the ability to be controversial and dismiss it as a joke.

Trump has a growing cult of personality, and his campaign has a fervour to it that I haven't seen from the Hillary Clinton campaign so far. People shouldn't underestimate that this kind of populism with a charismatic figure like him can in fact take a lot of the swing votes. Many people still kind of treat him as a joke, but I think it's come to the point where we have to admit that his chances are becoming quite serious indeed.

[–]mapryan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I listen to "Slate's Political Gabfest" podcast every week and at the beginning they refused to talk about either Bernie or Donald as they didn't think there was any point. So Reddit's attitude to Donald pretty much reflected the view of all the American political classes at that time.

[–]Barry_Scotts_CatInternet European 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

many people refuse to acknowledge the very real possibility that Trump can win the presidency.

It annoys me that people keep going "Meh, he's just an idiot" or "He's just trolling them he doesn't /actually/ think that"

Do you want to find out?

[–]SchwertritterYurocuck 22ポイント23ポイント  (9子コメント)

I think it's come to the point where we have to admit that his chances are becoming quite serious indeed.

I... I think he will win. And it's going to be the definitive proof of what America has become (has always been?). We all might have to pay the price.

And if he won't (Cthulu please let it be so), then even the fact that he was seriously considered will be proof enough. Just without the price bit, which is comforting.

[–]NBegovich 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh, the fact that he's gotten this far has killed what little respect I had left for those of my fellow Americans that happen to be Christian, considering how much evangelical support he's getting. American Christianity is dead.

[–]DoktorSoviet 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

American Christianity has always been shit though. Why do you think the Puritans were basically banished here? They were practically too extreme for medieval Europe.

This nation has significant roots in radical Christianity.

[–]sophandrosCultured American 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Assuming everyone turns out to vote, remember this:

~13% of the electorate is Black. ~13% of the electorate is Latin American or Hispanic.

If we assume the Black vote continues to vote Democrat at a near 100% level (safe assumption) and if we assume the Latin/Hispanic vote goes 80% Democrat this time, then we are looking at ~23% of the vote going against Trump.

43% of white voters voted for Obama in 2008. If we assume a similar result in 2016, and of we assume white voters are ~70% of the electorate, then that's ~30% (43% of 70%).

30+23 is 53, so Hillary/Bernie should win the popular vote. So depending on where those votes come in, the Electoral College shouldn't be a problem.

[–]summatclever 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Turnout in US elections is very low (only 55% in 2012 for example). It's all about who turns out on the day.

[–]sophandrosCultured American 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm aware of that. When I said "everyone", I was referring to the minority voters, particularly Black voters, in a non-Obama election. We saw a sharp decline in Black voter turnout in the midterms, and a big fear for some of us (full disclosure, I am Black and live in a predominantly Black part of Metro Atlanta) as we have seen the numbers.

If Black voters don't turn out like we did for the Obama elections, then the 13% figure I cited may be down around 10%, which could be a factor in some swing states.

[–]MissMesmerist 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Republicans are more willing to vote for someone just because they aren't Democrat.

Democrats who want Bernie won't be so willing to vote for Hillary, and vice versa.

That's the problem with Democracy, being principled means you will lose.

[–]Barry_Scotts_CatInternet European 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Party politics is bad

[–]chad1312 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Democrats who want Bernie won't be so willing to vote for Hillary, and vice versa.

That's just not true at all. Polling has shown both camps to support the other.

[–]sophandrosCultured American 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep. When we look at the real world instead of Reddit, we find that people are a lot more reasonable.

[–]UncleSlackyTemporarily Embarrassed Millionaire 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

There are a couple of crumbs of comfort - the fact that the other candidates added together outpoll him (though this would require that all but one of them quits, a classic game theory scenario) and that the GOP machine would be loath to support him - I wouldn't be surprised to see a brokered or otherwise gamed convention where somebody like Kasich emerges as a compromise candidate.

[–]potverdoriemake SAS great again 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, it's a comforting thought that Trump doesn't have an absolute majority within the GOP electorate. But simultaneously I'm quite concerned that Trump's brand of populism could very well thrive in the strictly bipartisan presidential election. And I just really can't see that last scenario happening without incredible backlash from many the party backers, even those who might not otherwise support Trump. It could happen, but it'd have to be a true act of desperation from the GOP establishment.

To be clear, I'm not saying the battle's over yet at all. I think and hope that Hillary stands a very good chance against him. But when I see the discussion on reddit, he's all too easily dismissed, while people don't acknowledge the severity of the situation.

[–]NechaefI hate free speech! 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I wouldn't be surprised to see a brokered or otherwise gamed convention where somebody like Kasich emerges as a compromise candidate.

I'm not so sure The GOP wants to take that bet. If Trump would run as an independent the GOP would lose and Clinton would win the presidency.

[–]UncleSlackyTemporarily Embarrassed Millionaire 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

That would fit in with one of the various conspiracy theories floating around that Trump is only in it to ensure his friend Hillary wins.

[–]NechaefI hate free speech! 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, but I wouldn't go that far. Everything we have seen off Trump is a massive ego and I wouldn't put it past him to just moon the GOP and go ahead even without their blessing. Just because he is The Donald.

[–]UncleSlackyTemporarily Embarrassed Millionaire 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

[ShitAmericansDo] Hitler-style saluting to Trump.

[–]TanktopModul 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ok, Trump may be a complete tool, but this is ridiculous. People are lifting their hands in the air, not in front of them like with the Hitler salute.

[–]ReacoomeSmash 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was the roma salute first, you charlie chaplin killing motherfucker.

[–]ThatFlyingScotsmanLess Scottish than Texas 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Holy shit. At this point he has to be doing it on purpose right? That's terrifying.

[–]The_Griot 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

At this point he has to be doing it on purpose

Yes.

[–]UncleSlackyTemporarily Embarrassed Millionaire 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I created these memes (via frinkiac.com) after watching the classic "Trash of the Titans" episode of the Simpsons and realizing that Homer is essentially Trump here.