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[–]Mark_Corrigan_AMA 3ポイント4ポイント  (83子コメント)

This sub is so hit and miss - it's ridiculous.

I come to this subreddit because there is uncensored commentary on the evils of islam and the terrible consequences of blind immigration - which is brilliant, but then you venerate people like Vlad the third and Hitler.

[–]gummzIceland[S] 37ポイント38ポイント  (6子コメント)

The fruits of free speech. Do you realize how ironic this is?

"I came here for content others censored because they didn't like it, and now I demand you censor content I don't like."

[–]BarbaricWhiteHeathen 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

lolololol

[–]Mark_Corrigan_AMA 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

Where did I say this? When did I say the veneration of Vlad III and Hitler should be censored? I think it's ridiculous to venerate those people, but I don't think it should be censored, and I didn't for a second ask that it would be censored.

Seriously, when did I say you should be censored?

[–]qdegtjuloCroatia 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

When you have a space free of censorship, everyone who usually gets censored will go there.

That is what is happening. And unless you want to start censoring it will continue to happen.

[–]Mark_Corrigan_AMA 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

What? I don't want censoring...

[–]qdegtjuloCroatia 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I said that what is happening is the direct result of being censorship free. Why are you complaining, then?

[–]bopppsUnited States of America 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who do you venerate then? Merkel? Ben Shalom Bernanke?

[–]BladeStrikesVlad the Impaler - best Romanian diplomat 4ポイント5ポイント  (17子コメント)

but then you venerate people like Vlad the third

Give me one good reason not to venerate Vlad the Impaler.

I'm waiting.

[–]tompanz 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Vlad didn't thing wrong.

[–]BladeStrikesVlad the Impaler - best Romanian diplomat 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

FACT!

[–]tompanz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Turks are great people, I worked in Turkey for years, I have many Turkish friends, but they got to go back! We're gonna build a wall, a strong wall, made of severed heads, and we're gonna make Turkey pay for it!"

[–]_kemot 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I cant even find words for this. Its funny because its so f** up.

[–]Mark_Corrigan_AMA 4ポイント5ポイント  (12子コメント)

He killed thousands of innocent people, made men devour the severed breasts of their wives before murdering them.

[–]BladeStrikesVlad the Impaler - best Romanian diplomat 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

He killed thousands of innocent people, made men devour the severed breasts of their wives before murdering them.

Hahahahahaha, are you fucking joking me? Is this trolling? Let me guess, he also didn't pay taxes, ate the pizza crust first, tormented poor Jesus and did crossfit. Pffffhahahahaha.

The german manuscripts about Vlad are not fit enough for me to wipe my ass with them. Unreliable stories written 3 decades (at best) after Vlad died, by people who never set foot in Wallachia. What a fucking joke.

"He roasted children, whom he fed to their mothers. And (he) cut off the breasts of women, and forced their husbands to eat them. After that, he had them all impaled"

German pamphlet from 1521, that is 65 years after his first rule ended! Its 45 years after his second rule ended. How about you just use Bram Stoker as a source instead?

If you use the russian sources then you get a much better picture of him, very cruel but very fair, the romanian sources are even better. Why don't you do that instead?

At the end of the day these worthless pamplets don't mean anything to me, I don't base my opinion about Vlad on them, they are far too unreliable. I base my opinion on Vlad on things that categorically happend (like his battles againts the turks, his life as a political prisoner, his economic reforms, purging of corruption) because they have been reported by numerous soruces, including his enemies and are all very similar. One source, decades after his rule telling me that he made men eat their womens tits with ketchup, I won't consider it valid, its way too unreliable. The guy who wrote it was sucking his own mothers breasts when Vlad was fighting the ottomans.

Based on the major things that he did in his life, I can say with zero hesitation that he is a romanian/christian hero and should be venerated by all romanians and christians.

[–]Golden_Dawn 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

To/too errors, but good comment overall.

[–]BladeStrikesVlad the Impaler - best Romanian diplomat 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Learning english from Arnold Schwarzenegger movies is all young eastern europeans can muster.

[–]_kemot -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

well, you are talking to a romanian. So they did not learn their lesson from vlad like the Germans have from Hitler. People over there venerate him really much, even name their kids after him. This Christmas I was traveling with an driver from Budapest to Temeswar and his name was also Vlad. Soooo....if we would name our kids hitler, how your you feel?

Silly question in this sub, ok.

[–]alexdracRomania 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

WTF he IS a hero of our nation.

He killed muslim invaders and all those that today constitute "protected classes" in the western world : the criminals and the insane.

Vlad is a VERY COMMON name in Romania thanks to him.

[–]_kemot -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

To all others he's one the biggest asshole the planes has seen.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/de/Broimp.jpg/220px-Broimp.jpg if this is the hero of your nation, i don't wonder anymore why your nation is where it is now.

He made mother eat their children, what a sick bastard.

[–]alexdracRomania 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

lol .

that "mother eating her children" is on the same tier as the 6 gorillion

[–]_kemot -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

i'm not starting a fact check with you. The knowledge that if this would be true (not saying it is not) you would not have a problem with it makes me know what type you are.

[–]alexdracRomania 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

"Man who impales 20000 turks gets free pass"

old balkan saying.

[–]_kemot 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

the fact that you are true makes this really sad.

But just to add, romania is not balkan.

[–]RamblinRambo3Finland[M] 7ポイント8ポイント  (29子コメント)

Either you want a censorship sub or you don't. You cannot have it both ways. If we'd to only cater for people like you we'd end up with a less vanilla /r/europe and have to abandon our free speech position. And once you start to censor one thing another butthurt group will appear to demand that we censor what offends their feelings as well and on and on it goes. Soon you have nothing but a very tightly controlled environment where no one can speak what's truly on their mind.

As we've said all along. If you cannot handle free speech then feel free to leave. We don't force you to be here. We don't force you to accept and agree with everything that is being said. And this is the key difference between the left and the right. Even in a ultra-right country people are always allowed to leave while under far left oppression like the USSR people were shot for even considering leaving. You pick the system you believe to be more just and then live by that without complaining.

[–]Mark_Corrigan_AMA 4ポイント5ポイント  (28子コメント)

Where did I imply I want to censor you?

[–]RamblinRambo3Finland 4ポイント5ポイント  (9子コメント)

Well to me it doesn't sound like much else. We've seen this before. Many times.

What is a mystery for me is how many of the ones who say what you say have little or no knowledge at all about most historic figures or what they've done.

[–]Mark_Corrigan_AMA 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

So you don't have an answer... I never for a second wished or even implied to censor you. I disagree with venerating Hitler and co. but that doesn't mean I want you silenced.

many of those who say what you say

What did I say?

[–]FunAndFreedom 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'll explain it since no one else is.

The people here and in similar forums have seen posts like yours countless times. "Gosh I'm so concerned about how this subreddit is ________". It's called concern trolling. It's when you show concern for certain ideas being expressed or a certain issue being examined, always "for the good of the community". But in reality the intention of the concern troll is to stifle conversation.

The OP brought up Hitler, this seems to have offended your sensibilities. If you addressed what was in the video logically, not many people would jump down your throat. But you tried to hand wave the OP's content away using nothing more than an association. That works in most forums and universities, but not in a place which does more than just pay lip service to free speech.

Maybe you are a good guy, maybe not. But you've started off by sounding like every single concern troll that eventually multiplies and cucks up a forums. You expressed concern, but you tried to do it in such a way that you could easily backpedal which seems to be what you are doing now. Think we haven't see the same routine 100 times before?

[–]FaliceerDeutschland 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's also on the list of 60 common ways to spot a Jewish shill.

[–]RamblinRambo3Finland[M] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

^

[–]sorceryofthetesticle 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Woah woah, man. I'm concerned about this aggressive behavior. Shouldn't we be more polite to new users?

/s hopefully not needed.

[–]Mark_Corrigan_AMA 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

in reality the intention of the concern is to stifle conversation

You are judging this from my 1 or 2 comments on this thread? I don't in any way wish to stifle converstation - especially when it comes to controversial subject matter. Nothing I said implied I want to stifle conversation. I gave a personal opinion on this subreddit, and it's been met very defensively. Is this how insecure your beliefs are?

I'll add to my original post in a way you might be able to understand. I like this subreddit because it discusses the genuine issue of islam in Europe. I do, however, disagree with venerating Hitler. How does that infringe on anything? Did I say "omg guiz, we can't be nice about Hitler!"? It takes a lot to make me cry - please continue with praising tyrants. I may disagree with it, but I do not for a second want you silenced. I literally never for a second implied that.

this seems to have offended your sensibilities.

Who gives a shit if I'm offended? Hitler is a grade A cunt. You can support him all you want, and I don't want to censor that, but surely you can allow my negative feelings towards him?

but you tried to do it in such a way that you could easily backpedal

What the fuck? I don't like Hitler. What the fuck did I say that was wishy washy or in any way laid out so I could backpedal?

Am I missing something?

[–]lorettasscarsGermany 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Am I missing something?

This is reddit. Go with the hivemind or craft puns.

So just for the sake of the discussion, what's your beef with Hitler?

[–]alexdracRomania 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

agreeing with parts of the message does not equal "veneration".

Hitler, like all people, was right in some things and wrong in others. He was not some absolute evil or a mad man.

His ideas are not worthless because they are "hitler's ideas".

[–]Golden_Dawn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Am I missing something?

Yes, either you don't understand your own argument form, or you're being disingenuous. It was the "because there is uncensored commentary ... but then you..." which implies the misuse of uncensored commentary.

After reading your other responses, I believe you're just unaware of the meaning of your words.

I never once implied it.

That is exactly what you implied. Go back and study argument forms, rhetoric, and logic again. You violated the laws of validity, and you got caught.

[–]red_danube 2ポイント3ポイント  (17子コメント)

I come to this subreddit because there is uncensored commentary on the evils of islam (sic) and the terrible consequences of blind immigration — which is brilliant, but then you [don't censor commentary on] people like Vlad the third (sic) and Hitler.

[–]Mark_Corrigan_AMA 2ポイント3ポイント  (16子コメント)

You're completely putting words in my mouth. Are you so insecure in your beliefs that you see any disagreement as a challenge to your freedom of speech?

Let me make this perfectly clear: I disagree entirely that the likes of Hitler and Vlad the Impaler should be praised, but I don't for a second think your praising of them should be banned. I never once implied it. You're pulling this out of your arse entirely.

[–]red_danube 4ポイント5ポイント  (15子コメント)

You're upset that this subreddit discusses Hitler in anything less than a hand-wringing never forget the six gorillion tone.

I'm taking it upon myself to let you know that you may find it more profitable to do your concern trolling elsewhere.

[–]Mark_Corrigan_AMA 1ポイント2ポイント  (14子コメント)

I'm not upset that you highly regard Hitler. Again, you're so overly defensive towards anyone who disagrees with his whole killing innocent people thang.

[–]alexdracRomania 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

anyone who disagrees with his whole killing innocent people thang

Obvious troll is obvious.

Maybe we disagree with :

A. killing actually having taken place

B. if killing had taken place, we disagree that those killed were innocent.

C. if the killing of innocents had indeed taken place, we disagree with who is responsible for it.

So no, agreeing with Hitler on one or more issues does not mean we agree with innocents being killed.

you fucking cunt

[–]FaliceerDeutschland 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If Jews were innocent there wouldn't be anti-semitism.

[–]diglaw 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

I agree. What I find disturbing about this sub is the number of people who are deeply committed to racist ideology. I argued with a few people about the scientific controversy around the link between race and intelligence here, in this sub, only to be astonished at the group-think and motivated reasoning -- most of the people I argued with really believe that white people are genetically superior to other races in ways which transcend the limited utility of population level research.

This sub is a fascinating experiment in free speech, but it is also a circle jerk for people with ideological commitments that are deeply flawed and pernicious.

[–]alexdracRomania 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

you really think that aborigines have the same IQ as the Japanese ?

If you take abo babies and raise them in japanese homes, they will magically overcome their genetic limits in intelligence ?

[–]diglaw 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

The reality is that variations within populations are vastly greater than the differences between racially distinct populations. So, a percentage of the aborigines raised in Japanese homes, as you suggest, would be considerably more intelligent than their Japanese hosts.

The point is that inferior culture, in particular religious belief, as well as individual measures of intelligence are what we should be concerned with in adjusting public policy on immigration: intelligent, secular people willing to embrace European values should be welcomed, regardless of race.

[–]Golden_Dawn 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

most of the people I argued with really believe that white people are genetically superior to other races in ways which transcend the limited utility of population level research.

You really surprised me with the 'white people' bit. Totally thought you were going to say Jews there.

"The Jews have a plan to ruin us all, and are so 'superior' to us that they're able to carry out this plan."

I see this argument a lot, although there's typically a euphemism used in place of the word 'superior'. But if you have some new information on the link between race and intelligence, you should go ahead and present it.

[–]diglaw 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't have anything new. I have no interest in ignoring intelligence differences between racial groups such as they may be, my only point is that these population level differences are minimal in comparison to variation within populations: there will always be some people with high genetic potential in every population.

I find the paranoia about Jews pretty funny. Some Jews are religious or secular ethnic chauvinists. Chauvinism is repellent in any form of Abrahamic religiosity. Israel is dangerous to its neighbors, the stability of the region and its influence on American politics. None of this actually scares me.

EDIT: spelling

[–]TheRealPinoccioAustria 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

My grandparents admire their time under Hitler, so did many others.

"Isn't the wellbeing of the good majority more important than the wellbeing of a malicious minority?"

You have been told your whole live by your environment (school, peers) it was bad, but people who experienced it actually loved living under his rule. The "victims" (jews, gypsies, etc.) were a destrucive force then and are destructive now. If you want to know who's the Hitler you imagine then look no further than to Merkel. She's genociding the white german as we speak.

[–]meJKusPoland 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Tell it to my polish grandfathers. It was awesome to live under Hitlers rules. It was fucking awesome to have destroyed most of our cities, and of course "victims", because fuck millions of normal people.

You made me fucking sick, praising Hitler... Go visit a specialist.

[–]turtlesquirtle 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like Poland, but God damn are you guys cucked when it comes to history.

[–]TheRealPinoccioAustria 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have never heard anyone praising Hitler's decision to go to war with Poland. As far as I'm aware, there were no good reason other than Hitler's expansionistic motives, which I do not support. Initially I mentioned this in my post.

[–]alexdracRomania 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

read of on the Warsaw White Papers.

The decision to go to war was taken in London, not in Berlin.

[–]muskrats_fatSámi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, they shouldn't have went to war with Germany then. Hitler only asked for a direct infrastructure connection to Königsberg and for you useless squareheads to do your part in fighting bolshevism, but no. So, really, blame yourselves and you deserved whatever it is you got.

[–]Challenger1978 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's fuck all wrong with Vlad Tepes, he stopped the genocidal Ottamans taking over Europe. Hitler yeah i'll give you that he was massive cunt.

[–]BarbaricWhiteHeathen 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

the truth is upsetting deal with it. Life is cruel, nature is cruel.

[–]FaliceerDeutschland 3ポイント4ポイント  (17子コメント)

What's wrong with Vlad and Hitler?

[–]Mark_Corrigan_AMA 3ポイント4ポイント  (16子コメント)

Hitler invaded Europe in the name of lebensraum; killing many innocent people, destroyed infrastructure, rounded up and killed Jews, killed disabled people, bombed the ever living shit out of Britain, was an all round general cunt. Let me hear your response to that.

Vlad, while I admittedly don't have an extensive knowledge on him, I know he was incredibly barbarous in his conquests; killing many innocent people in the most disturbing ways.

You tell me what's right with Vlad and Hitler.

[–]FaliceerDeutschland 11ポイント12ポイント  (11子コメント)

Hitler invaded Europe in the name of Lebensraum

He wanted Germany returned to Germany.

destroyed infrastructure

Blitzkrieg was designed to destroy as little infrastructure as possible compared to the Allied strategy of carpet bombing which looked for the most death and destruction possible.

rounded up and killed Jews

  1. Prove it.
  2. What's wrong with this?

Killed disabled people

Literally NOTHING wrong with this.

Bombed the ever living shit out of Britain

He actually initially was being bombed by Britain but refused to bomb back because he did not want to kill Brits. He was forced to retaliate or continue being attacked.

was an all round general cunt.

This is subjective and not really provable. He was not however, a cartoon villain only doing bad. He was a great man in many ways.

Incredibly barbarous...

If Vlad didn't protect Europe from Muslims you would not be on the Internet right now and you would be worshiping Allah. We owe him a lot.

You tell me what's right with Vlad and Hitler

Already said Vlad - defended Europe.

Hitler? So much about him was great.

Hitler fixed the economy, assured equal rights for all Germans, made a massive birth rate, removed usury, removed Jewish control from Germany, made the banks public, increased the scientific output of Germany massively, united the Grossdeutsches Reich, established Autarky, established the first 40 hour work weeks, made a labor-based money system that avoided the downfalls of fiat, destroyed majority rule, sent many thousands of Jews to Palestine as part of the alliance, sent 2000 tonnes of food to Finland for free because he didn't want them hurt, instituted a eugenics program and racial pedigrees, removed debt slavery, made universal healthcare, outlawed child labor, triggered the WSW by way of the HJ, expanded old-age welfare, stopped gypsy traveler destruction of native land, banned Luegenpresse, banned hunting, created the 'bahn while minimally damaging the environment, stopped personal enrichment through war and distributed all war profits throughout the nation, divided the profits of all heavy industries...I mean fuck, he did so damn much for Germany and the world.

[–]Mark_Corrigan_AMA 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

Do you honestly think there's nothing wrong with killing innocent Jews and innocent disabled people?

Edit:

increased scientific output

Do you know how many of your leading scientists were Jews?

[–]FaliceerDeutschland 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

In the Action T4 estimates they showed the average person with a hereditary defect needing care cost the state almost 60.000 Reichsmarks over the course of their life. They did not contribute and thus have no purpose. They also demoralize and risk spreading their diseased genes around, so yes it's okay to kill the congenitally defective.

On Jews, the innocent were not killed. To say otherwise is to be ignorant to the facts.

I am Jewish and my family served in the Reich like many other Jews (over 150.000 in the Wehrmacht alone).

Hitler did not kill innocent Jews.

Edit: Since you edited to include that little bit about Jews I will note to you that there were not many German top scientists that were Jewish compared to the whole. We had a great number of scientists. Atomic science, however, was not allowed until after the war because it fell under Entartete.

[–]Mark_Corrigan_AMA 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're gonna have to provide a source for that first paragraph. Also, your idea that disabled people must serve the state is disgusting.

On Jews, the innocent were not killed.

Tell me more about the Warsaw ghettos. Ignorant to the facts? Enlighten me. Were all the Jews in Europe criminals?

[–]FaliceerDeutschland 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everyone must serve the Reich. You've not learned about Hitler unless you know, "The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all."

Action T4.

Tell me more about the Warszawa ghettoes

Internment until the end of the war.

Nearly all Jews would have been shipped to Palestina as part of the Haavara agreement signed before the war but the British blocked it at the order of Lord Balfour and Rothschild and triggered the events we now know as Aliyah Bet.

The Holocaust as a genocide did not happen.

[–]muskrats_fatSámi 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

innocent Jews

 
lol. Jews treat whites as a singular mass of "dumb" as they continue destroying our nations and our very blood, while said blob of whites make all kinds of ridiculous distinctions between jews. Can't win with Anglo carpetbaggers like you on "our" side. You're simply not intelligent enough.

[–]Golden_Dawn 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Your argument is that Jews are superior to 'whites'?

[–]muskrats_fatSámi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Superior liars, thieves, cheats. Superior leeches, parasites and varmints.

[–]hndvf -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Killed disabled people

Literally NOTHING wrong with this.

oh okay. i can only wish for you to become disabled really. the only logical thing to do then would just be to commit suicide right?

[–]FaliceerDeutschland 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

People disabled later in life were not killed/sterilized.

The congenitally disabled (i.e., genetically defective) were.

[–]hndvf -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

The congenitally disabled (i.e., genetically defective) were.

which means what? people with downs and such were killed?

[–]FaliceerDeutschland 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, because they cost more than they're worth, they have no honour, and they're a risk.

[–]alexdracRomania 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

you ignorant motherfucker.

We Romanians NEVER CONQUERED ANY OTHER PEOPLE .

The man was "incredibly barbarous" TO INVADERS. To people coming from a far away land to murder and pillage the homes of his people.

He killed muslim soldiers, criminals and the insane. And the country had it so good, it's still remembered to this day as one of the best periods in our entire 2000 years of history.

The average person loved him, because he was a protector of the people. He protected them from criminals who would take their belongings and/or kill them and he protected them from muslims who would take their children to be turned into muslim soldiers and/or kill them.

Stefan cel Mare (Stephen the Great) is a goddamn Saint, a literal saint, and he made catholic invaders pay just as bad as the muslims. The Red Forrest was planted after he defeated the invading catholic Poles by the survivors of the massacre of their invading army (hence the "red" in red forrest, as the ground was red with the blood of the invaders)

[–]RamblinRambo3Finland 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Jesus.

[–]hurricaneivan117Hungary 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not to mention he ruined the idea of eugenics forever while murdering innocent Poles, Russians and other Slavs

[–]alexdracRomania 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Vlad the Impaler.

Nobody ever calls him "the third"

[–]muskrats_fatSámi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, who wants any historical perspective for what is happening or to know who is behind the ills (hint: same people Hitler defeated and doing so cured Germany through). It's much easier for your peabrain to just mewl mindlessly about "Islam". Ahh, so much better.