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[–]NestledrinkHerrera 16ポイント17ポイント  (8子コメント)

Bayern, Barca, and Fergie's United all eclipse those side’s achievements and, in this era of money centric football, have dominated year after year

Not sure which Barca team you're talking about but in their current team, they literally bought Neymar and Suarez. Also Turan, Aleix Vidal, Rakitic, Mascherano, Vermalen, etc etc.

Tone down the rose tinted glass a bit, shall we?

[–]jbiresqHerrera 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Even Messi is a once in 30 year talent that no club could rely on their academy to produce. Even Iniesta is a generational talent. They hit the jackpot with their academy but, like you said, they've been going outside it a lot lately to get talent.

[–]NestledrinkHerrera 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just like our class of 92. There is no others like them, really.

[–]Zxcvbnm123_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

It is not about not buying players. Even fergie didnt do that. It is about growing them and playing them in the first team. Leaving aside xavi busquets messi iniesta, they promoted pique, fabregas, pedro, batra, sergi roberto, thiago alacantra, his brother rafinha, munir, samper. And i am not even a barca fan to know about all their academy players in the first team. Mourinho didnt give his academy players at chelsea a chance even when he had already won the title last season. All chelsea fans are unhappy with the way their youngsters are not played inspite of all the success that their youth setup has.There is no question that mourinho does not develop youth and there is no running away from this fact.

[–]AlpacamyLlama 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

They sold Pique, Fabregas and Thiago at young ages. Not a good example to be honest.

[–]Zxcvbnm123_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are very good examples imho. Pique was quickly discarded by us when barca came calling. We didnt play him much and they gave him first team spot when he was a young inexperienced defender. Thiago was not going to be let go. They fucked up the number of games condition in the contract by a small margin(one game) which drastically reduced his buyout clause and he went away to pep guardiola who gave him debut at barca and played him a lot. Barca still rue his unfortunate sale. Ces fabregas was on the brink of first team action. But he went away before playing a game. The point is they play their academy players.

[–]danskzwag 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's what Chelsea do they loan the youth products

[–]manudevil7Beckham 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's not Mourinho; that's from Roman.

[–]FeezbullGiggs 11ポイント12ポイント  (23子コメント)

Ok one simple question:

Then who should our next manager be? A credible and proper suggestion would be nice.

[–]StannisJrScholesy -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Giggsy! /s

This will probably go unanswered or people will suggest unrealistic managers as usual.

[–]tartanbornandred[S] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (10子コメント)

Pochettino would fit the bill and is my proper and credible suggestion as requested.

The key point is that the manager needn't necessarily be the proven star; but as illustrated by Bayern and Barca with Heynkes, Guardiola, Enrique, the most important thing is that the manager fits the clubs ethos. Giggs fits that criteria but obviously represents a risk with the lack of experience. The advantage Giggs has over Mourinho is that Giggs wont undo the rebuilding we've been working on.

Other than those two, United will be far more aware of the promising managers around the world who would fit our desired approach far better than a fan who doesnt watch too much outside the premiership and champlions league.

[–]jbiresqHerrera 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

I feel like a lot of people would take Poch over Mourinho. But there is literally no chance he's coming this summer. He loves it at Spurs, the supporters love him and Levy would be hell to deal with. He'll go to Madrid once Zidane gets sacked.

[–]Pigeon_AssholeBlind's Sexy Hair 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He'll go to Madrid once Zidane gets sacked.

So Christmas then?

[–]Zxcvbnm123_ -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I would take pochettino, tuchel, simeone before i take mourinho. I just cannot imagine Manchester United without playing young players from the academy. It is a huge part of why i love the club.

[–]CalimariaeSolskjaer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tuchel, the guy who has done well for less than a season and hasn't ever managed a club outside Germany. Sounds like a perfect fit for the biggest job in football.

You people and your wild ideas.

[–]IDespot90Martial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea young players are important who need titles and winning....

[–]StannisJrScholesy 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

What makes you think Poch would come?

Other than those two, United will be far more aware of the promising managers around the world who would fit our desired approach far better than a fan who doesnt watch too much outside the premiership and champlions league.

Worked well with LVG and his "attacking philosophy" didn't it?

[–]IDespot90Martial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

U talk with 0 facts like most of u "why mou is not good".

[–]FeezbullGiggs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I too think he's a good option and actually a better fit in terms of the transition to a different but close enough style to what we currently employ.

However, he's not realistic I think as well. Why? He's built a great thing so far at Tottenham that may or may not come to fruit yet. Surely he wants to continue and see it bear fruit (as he wanted with Southampton but they disagreed on the funding/selling etc) so, he's not likely wanting to leave to start building things over again with us.

And by the time he may want to leave, Spurs might be good enough that we aren't any better besides a brand name versus say, Madrid in a way.

Thanks for a proper response advocating discussion instead of the countless others suggesting Giggs or, erm erm... Not answering when asked who else.

Cheers.

[–]Idislikemyroommate -4ポイント-3ポイント  (10子コメント)

I've always wondered why Laurent Blanc hasn't being touted more often.

He's an ex player and a good manager. Has built a decent PSG side (albeit with a lot of money) and has shown he is capable of managing in the Champions League.

It's not that I'm calling him to be the manager but I've wondered why he hasn't been mentioned as much.

Edit: Answering a question with a credible and proper suggestion and downvoted? I don't get it.

[–]FeezbullGiggs 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

Maybe because he's only done it in the French league and people see PSG as strong enough to get the results he's gotten in CL football so, it's par/not too special.. Maybe.

[–]Idislikemyroommate 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

I can see that of course but managers have been hired on less. I mean wasn't Pellegrini hired on the basis of his Champions League success with Malaga?

[–]FeezbullGiggs 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

But Malaga. PSG walk the league in general... Not the same really. But yeah he also managed madrid remember?

Blanc isn't a bad manager. Just that people think he's not a tested manager maybe. I think he's good and it'd be nice to see him do well somewhere else too but, there's no reason for him to leave unless it's for a big job I would say. Great city/job/club/funds/players.

[–]Idislikemyroommate 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was just pointing out that managers can get appointed on Champions League form rather than league. That is true but he was hired from a spell at Villarreal, where he got them to the CL semis.

You may be right, I was just giving an example of a credible manager opposed to the choice of Jose. Not saying he's better or I want him but if a list was drawn up i'd expect him on there at least.

[–]FeezbullGiggs 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh alright. I didn't get what you were trying to say about the Pelligrini and Blanc comparisons initially actually.

But yeah Blanc isn't a big favourite for a few reasons but he wouldn't be the worst choice either for sure.

[–]ManUToasterDiego Forlan 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

How's Champions League success with Malaga less impressive than the same with PSG? Also, Pellegrini was already an established manager that had coached big teams like Real Madrid... Blanc has only managed PSG if I'm not mistaken... He's done well but Ligue 1 is still a joke and tbh he should probably be doing better in the CL, I guess we'll see how it goes this year. I still think going from wrapping up League 1 mid season vs the competition of the PL would be a massive shock for him, shit I think it'll be a massive shock for Pep and he's definitely more qualified.

[–]Idislikemyroommate 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wasn't meaning the example was less sorry, just that Pellegrini can be argued to have done that.

That is true, though he lasted a year (I think?), and even then he got that job because he had done well with Villarreal so you can use that example as well.

I totally get what you mean though, I was just trying to give a credible managerial choice to what OP was saying.

[–]knoxisbackMemphis 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

He signed a new contract at PSG not too long ago.

[–]Idislikemyroommate 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hm fair enough, though it does seem that whenever a new manager comes available they are often linked with the PSG job.

Also contracts aren't always the best indication of whether managers are available or not.

[–]An0therk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Welcome to /r/reddevils, where anything outside of popular opinion gets downvoted

[–]oranguthang87 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

Who then should be the next United manager?

This kind of post always takes place after we have a few wins in a row. Nothing new here

[–]Irish-DevilThe Beautiful Ander Herrera -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Who then should be the next United manager?

This kind of redundant reply always takes place when somebody points out the flaws in Mourinho. Nothing new here

[–]ManUToasterDiego Forlan 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

How is that question redundant haha???

Mourinho is the only manager available that seems capable of getting us out of this slump. If someone is going to say he's not, isn't "who then?" the most logical follow up question?

[–]Irish-DevilThe Beautiful Ander Herrera -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Mourinho has never pulled a team out of a 'slump'. Don't know where you get that notion from.

[–]ManUToasterDiego Forlan -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think he's the most adept available manager to get us into the winning path again. I'm not saying he's been in this situation before, very few managers have, but he's a proven winner who has showed over and over that he knows how to achieve success.

Anyways that wasn't my point, you said that asking 'if not Mou then who?' was redundant... I just wanted to bring attention to how ridiculous that statement is.

[–]swaggleDoreGriezman 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Every fucking time we win a couple of games this shit happens

[–]pilonpileshTony "Two-Feet" Valencia 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Every fucking time we lose a couple of games the other shit happens.

We've lost 8 games in the league this year, one less than City and one more than Arsenal. With fullbacks and a thicker squad there's no reason why our current manager can't be the one to fix the one issue we have - scoring goals.

[–]K-QuickBeckham 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

This detailed approach may be overkill for professional footballers, or it may be exactly what is required for van Gaal to create his vision, his masterpiece.

Who have you been watching this season? We've invested so much money and his vision or "masterpiece" is even worse.

I don't see the logic in not even considering Mourinho when his as our alternative option ffs.

[–]targeryian 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jose will be appointed. We will be able to attract a better calibre of player to the club. We can get ourselves back to challenging for the upper tier in the premier league whilst being able to attract better players and improving the youth system (revamp). Once we're established as one of the better teams in Europe then we can start picking and choosing which manager can come in but right now we're in a shit place where if we don't get the next manager right we'll be losing 25m a year in sponsorship's minimum.

Sick of hearing this bollocks that he leaves teams fucked. He had an ageing team in Inter in the first place. Real Madrid won the champions league on the back end of what he had started. Chelsea were one of the best teams in Europe after being half decent for years and right now they have a core of good players at Chelsea that they can build on (Zouma, Courtious, Matic, Hazard,Costa, Oscar).

Sick of hearing this shit why we shouldn't hire Jose. We can't afford to be picky because right now we're average. If we get some of the players that we're "apparently" linked with Sanches, James , Gomes, Stones, Marquinhos we'll have a young core we can build on to go along with Martial, Memphis and Shaw.

[–]manudevil7Beckham 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

"The top sides who dominate year after year don't just develop youth players because they are able to; they are able to dominate year after year because they have a continuous flow of home grown talent."

This is simply not true. So Neymar, Suarez, MAtS, Bravo, Rakitic, Mathieu, Vidal, and Turan were developed by La Masia?

Furthermore, Ronaldo, Bale, Benzema, Casemiro, Danilo, Navas, James, Isco, Varane, Kroos, Kovacic, and Modric were developed by Castilla?

Additionally, Coman, Douglas Costa, Vidal, Benatia, Alonso, Lewandowski, Gotze, Thiago, Boateng, and Neuer were developed by Bayern's Junior Team?

All the big clubs have to spend because there is pressure for them to win now. We cannot develop players and not win. We have to win, and we have to win now.

The only man who can GUARANTEE trophies is Jose Mourinho. In twelve full seasons, he has never finished below third, and he has been a winner wherever he has been. Furthermore, after his first 199 PL matches, he has the most points EVER, second is SAF (453 vs 416), and he has win percentage of 69%. He won the PL's manager of the year in 2004/2005, 2005/2006, and 2014/2015. He is the fastest manager in history to reach 400 PL points; it took SAF an additional 17 games to do it (174 vs 191), which averages out to 2.3 points per game.

This man oozes success, and this is what we need to lead the club forward. If he has to spend money to do it and bring in world class players, so be it.

Jose Mourinho needs us and, most importantly, we need him.

[–]SuperfyVan Persie 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The only man who can GUARANTEE trophies is Jose Mourinho. In twelve full seasons, he has never finished below third, and he has been a winner wherever he has been....

Nobody guarantees success. He gives us a very good shot, yes... But... He could easily also just not work out for a variety of reasons as well like..

He would've likely been below third this season if Chelsea didn't sack him and that's a bigger likelihood than not.

You love Mourinho and probably everyone on this sub has seen how much you advocate for him (without sense in several cases) but let's not twist things too much here...

[–]manudevil7Beckham 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not twisting anything. We cannot predict how Chelsea would have finished. I stated facts. He never completed his 2015/2016 season at Chelsea, so it does not count.

[–]StannisJrScholesy 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Right now it seems most fans want any signs of sustained improvement leading to any success, rather than more regress. If we continue to regress then we become further and further away from any success.

we need a manager who will build something that can be carried on after they leave.

That's assuming the next manager that comes in will want to play possession-based football. If they want to do it their way (which they most likely will) then automatically whatever LVG is doing is going to be broken again. And why would any manager want to continue with a system that has proved to not work well in the PL?

[–]tartanbornandred[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yes we need an established style and ethos, then manager after manager who will evolve the setup left to them, not dismantle it and start again.

Other clubs manager this fine.

[–]StannisJrScholesy -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

And why would any manager want to continue with a system that has proved to not work well in the PL?

The only options for possession football who seem good at it are Tuchel and Pep - both unrealistic.

You can't just tell a manager to continue LVG's system. They will want to implement their own ideas and what has worked well with them in the past, what they're familiar with.

[–]tartanbornandred[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

And a key part of what I am saying is that in Ferguson, Guardiola, Enrique, Heynkes, and more, United, Barca, and Bayern have proven that it is more important to appoint a manager that fits the club rather than one who is necessarily established as a top manager beforehand.

[–]FeezbullGiggs 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes of course. But they do it when the foundations are already successful or when they have someone who's dying to join them and be able to continue from the previous setup.

Ours hasn't been successful for one.

Next, the number of available or likely available guys to take over that can expand on the current setup is very limited. Tuchel? Nope no way he wants to join right now. Poch? Same thing.

De boer? Seems to have fallen off a bit after his hype last season or before. Not too many else so that just leaves us with a likely choice of a new beginning again.

This is where a director of football comes in as he knows and sets a style as agreed by the staff and then he recruits/recommends managers that fit the ethos instead of any available big name or so (madrid) like how bayern or barcelona more so for their style, do. They can then know who is likely to be signed next should current manager fail and have option 1/2/3 even.

Without that? We just do what madrid do and go for whomever we deem best fit. And this is why Berta joining is as big an impact as Mourinho (if both do join us). To set the precedent and follow up with w succession and recruitment plan for players and managers alike.

[–]StannisJrScholesy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So considering next season Conte, Klopp, Guardiola, Wenger, Poch will be managing teams, you would rather us go for a completely unknown, continuing LVG's philosophy of mediocrity, therefore cementing ourselves as the new Liverpool, over a proven winner who is likely to steady the ship, create a better squad, likely to bring some sort of success, and then leave us in better shape in 3 years time for a new manager. Bizarre.

[–]Entrepreneur_GirlJuan Manuel Mata García 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

I would actually take the time to read this but I've seen a post like this soooooooooo many times. What makes your post different from the rest that you think can change fans point of view?

[–]GurpreetMannManchester United 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I find it strange that we claim to be a possession based team but when we are defending a lead, we never seem to be able to keep the ball?

 

For me, the philosophy needs to go and I'll be ecstatic with Mourinho coming in

[–]darthese 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

How much help has youth been to these club? I think youth is overrated if we had an absolute great talent in our ranks with the right discipline and proper training he'll rise to the top Jose can't stand in the way of that. The big clubs are doing well because they have the best player it's that simple. Jose can help at least too slow down the tide of the best players joining LA liga or Bayern.

[–]tartanbornandred[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

18 league titles and 3 European cups won by Fergie and Busby embracing and establishing our heritage of youth development. Everything about United has been built on youth; his can you ask how much help youth players have been?

You are right that top youth talents will rise regardless of Mourinho, just not at his club while he is manager; see Lukaku.

[–]mrpiggywinkles52Rooney 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everyone goes on and on about youth but seriously how many exceptional youth talents (excluding this year) have we had since the class of 92? Not many, those we've seen this year that are good enough will have a place in a Mourinho team. Rashford, Fosu Mensah, Lingard etc.

[–]AlpacamyLlama 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lukaku did back Mourinho up on that, mind. Maybe look at Morata instead

[–]darthese 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was then,even then we still outspent how rivals by a mile before CFc Russian money came into the league. Your model of sustained sucess won't work because the fans, the club have no patience for your youth to develop ironically the only coach the fans will give time to is the one you can't stand. yes you right about lukaku and if recent issues that have come to light in that situation is true then he did right by him. Who has blanc? Developed in PSG or pep since he left Barcelona (Coman does not count)

[–]ReflectingGodMata 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You have no reason to worry.

His approach has been successful for Porto, Inter, & Chelsea, but that is because for those clubs a title or two is success. At United that is not enough; we need a manager who will build something that can be carried on after they leave. This is what Barca and Bayern have; this is what van Gaal was appointed to do.

Barca and Bayern are 2 of the 4 richest teams in the world. They have a complete monopoly on their league and a rich history allowing them to bring in any player they want.

Their current dominance is built off a few exceptional talent that came through a while ago, just as ours was 20 years ago. This isn't the rule, this is the exception. What keeps this team on top is the ridiculous money they spend on ready made talent that have years ahead of them.

Mou does the exact same thing, just as Fergie did post 2000. We bought loads of very young players and those entering their prime. These players became the core of a team that went on to dominate for 10 years. Rooney, Ronaldo, Ferdinand were all very young. Then players like Evra, Vidic, Carrick, Tevez, RVN etc were brought in at a relatively young age also. How many youth players regularly featured in that dominant period that were brought through after 2000? Fletcher, O'Shea and Welbeck is all I can think of, all mostly bit-part players.

We already have this core of young talents and look set to bring in more young talents like Sanches, Stones and even talk of Dembele. Our youth academy is producing some very talented players but just how good? Where in our accademy is our Muller? Our Alaba, Lahm or Swcheinsteiger? Where is our Messi, Iniesta and Xavi? There isn't.

Thanks to LVG (even if due to a ridiculous injury crisis) these players have featured regularly and shown they are more than qualified to be competent squad players. The likes of Rashford and BoJack won't displace Shaw and Martial but they will get minutes under Mou because they've shown there is no reason for us to buy a backup player. Mou has shown before that if a youngster is good enough and willing to work hard for his system, they'll play. Loftus-Cheek had the quality to be playing regular minutes but didn't because he is lazy and not what the system demands. Morata on the other hand is an academy product that did feature regularly under Mou because he fit the system and had the quality. Though not academy products, players like Zouma and Varane were regular features in his Chelsea and Real side. His top target last season was Stones and I wouldn't be surprised if he went for him again. He is also looking to bring in 18 year old Sanches.

This is where you have it wrong. Mou may have been a short term appointment at the clubs he has been at but every time, he has had the long term in mind. Every time, the sides he has left are in a much better state than they were when he arrived. He left Chelsea in an awful state this season but they still have arguably the best squad in the league with some brilliant young players. The defense maybe needs an overhaul but otherwise he has a squad of players that still have plenty of years ahead of them. The only exception of this is Inter who had a relatively old squad when he left but these players were still top players 3 years later even if Inter did go through a rough patch.

His methods are very demanding and you'll find that with any modern manager. His issues recently have come from two sides filled with lots of egos, teams that have lost managers before to player power. There were no issues at Inter, Porto or Chelsea first time around (sacked at Chelsea for disagreement with those at the top). At Chelsea he lost control of a few of his players, at Madrid he had turned sour, and rightly so. Casillias was leaking information and turning teammates against him for simply dropping him because he wasn't good enough. Could you see that happening at United?

I expect all of our youngsters to feature regularly under Mou, not as first team regulars but at squad players. If you think any manager would deliver anything else, you're very mistaken.

[–]TheBlackSun8Herrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How much of this is the manager and how much of this is the board?

Real and Chelsea, both know for presidents that buy players they like and are involved in the football side of things. Chelsea are starting to get away from that and their squad building was quite good actually.

Bayern, Barcelona both have directors of football. There is a long term plan that is beyond the manager. Dortmund have an amazing DoF.

We used to have Fergie and David Gill to be our rudders, now we have Woodward.

[–]AlpacamyLlama 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

In all fairness, this is one of the better arguments against appointing Mourinho I’ve read. And this is coming from someone who still believes he is the best candidate for the job.

The main argument I would have against yours is that United now find themselves in a state of an ideological approach or a pragmatic approach. We’ve tried the latter, and I applaud them for that. We went for Moyes, the young British manager who had earned his spot at the big table, and for a multitude of reasons, it failed. And I think it failed worse than we could have imagined. Less than one year later, he’s gone and we go for one of the giants of European football, who is also facing accusations of being past his best.

And, again, it’s failed. Small improvements have been made – some of the deadwood has gone, some youngsters have been given chances following a heavy number of injuries, and we’re no longer embarrassed when we meet the top sides. Yet we remain wildly off the pace in the PL, and our European performance was a disgrace.

Now there are managers who would be ideally suited at this time – Poetecchino, as one example. Klopp would have been another. And, of course, Guardiola. But he is simply not available. Neither are many of the others we would go for.

If LvG has to move on, and he does have to, we have to look elsewhere. It would be career suicide (as a manager) to put Giggs up against Guardiola, Klopp, Conte, Wenger, Poetecchino, in his debut season, with a squad coming off the back of a poor three years. Almost like trying to teach a toddler to walk whilst putting a rucksack filled with rocks on his back.

Now, Mourinho, he is Mr. Pragmatism. I concede there is nothing to prove or indicate he will institute a long-term vision, nor implement a club playing style. It’s never happened so it would be disingenuous to suggest otherwise. What he will do though is drag United back to the top (at least challenging, if not guaranteed title winners). Rather than use a weaker squad or inexperienced youngsters and force them to fit into his rigid plan, there will be a strong attempt to make the best use of what he has. His tactical knowledge is astounding, his results in the short term incredible. We may use counter-attack more, the youngsters may not get as much a chance as we’d like, but we will climb the table. He’s proved it at every club he has managed – he knows the league, he is obsessed with winning, and he will use everything at his disposal to ensure it works.

So why do I think this is more important than long term planning at this stage? Because football now is unforgiving. In the 80s and early 90s, you could recover. But now, you miss out on CL, you immediately become less attractive to top talent; you lose the revenue; you miss your place on the world stage. United may have hundreds of millions of supporters, but how many of say the Far East will stick around whilst we struggle.

Mourinho can go toe to toe with any manager, both on and off the pitch. He can attract top level talent. He has literally never failed to win the league, and has at times achieved the remarkable in the Champions League. It may be uglier, but it gives the board a chance to stabilise things – build up the academy under Butt again; bring in that Director of Football; continue to make the squad stronger. The challenge will be to ensure the wheels don’t fall off. But I still think managing that would be easier in two to three years, then to deal with a number of years of underachievement and loss of power in English football

[–]tartanbornandred[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks for the constructive reply.

I agree with much of what you say and can see why you think Mourinho is right, but for me it comes down to the idea that appointing him would basically be a reactive act of desperation; and we should never make fundamental changes to our ethos in such a situation.

Now is a time for strength of conviction.

Also the revenue point is not as important as it has been in the past. With our fan base and the league money we can survive at longer than most without success; if we abandon our ideals to chop and change manager, a bit like Liverpool did when they went for Houllier, that financial strength will deplete and we may never get back this opportunity to take the time to rebuild.

[–]AlpacamyLlama 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

My counter argument would be that Liverpool's downfall was caused by going down the ideological route and appointing Souness and Evans as much as anything.

I wish we didn't have to, but football is cut-throat now. Players will just as easily sign for PSG or Man City as the elite of Europe, with the exception of Barca and Madrid. Money rules all, and whilst I would feel tremendous pride seeing eleven brits lining up and smashing everyone across Europe, it is simply a pipe dream.

Besides, a lot of our youth are foreign and acquired anyway.

[–]An0therk -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Such a shame to see something that took alot of time and effort to do get Downvoted by the circlejerk factory.

Start a damn conversation or tell OP why you think he's wrong. Fucking cowards everywhere

[–]manudevil7Beckham 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

OP does not provide any solutions. Fine, if he does not want Mourinho, give another option. All of the anti-Mourinho United supporters, want Pochettino. He is NOT leaving Tottenham, and he will only leave for RM.

OP provides no viable alternative.

[–]An0therk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ye this is all true, but 3 quarters of the browsers of this sub saw the title and down voted because they thought, I want Mourinho, therefore this is wrong. I don't care when I see someone say something i disagree with, I actually tell them how they might be wrong yano.. May even learn that i'm wrong

[–]SuperfyVan Persie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

OP does not provide any solutions. Fine, if he does not want Mourinho, give another option. All of the anti-Mourinho United supporters, want Pochettino. He is NOT leaving Tottenham, and he will only leave for RM.

He did provide an alternative if you bothered to read..

OP provides no viable alternative.

Yes he did as to whom he felt was a good option. Availability aside, he did suggest another person.